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mrshutter45

Dec 5, 2012, 5:24 AM
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"I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him"

can we really assume that Tina didn't pay any attention to Cooper's characteristics, due to stress, I can see this happening with a crime that is much shorter (Robbery, car jacking) most crimes are over in minutes giving less of a chance to ID the individual due to stress. this crime went on for hours and yet we still have different descriptions. one can still be intelligent, calm cool and collective and still be missing the perception of what they recall.

this almost plays out as if Cooper hijacked the plane and 20 minutes later removed the stews before taking off, then one could understand why the descriptions were off, but hours with him boggles me in understanding differences description wise? I do understand the stress of the bomb going off, but nowhere have I read panic was in play. she was calm enough to light a cigarette for him, that's up close and personal.

I think in IMO Flo had a better perception of recalling what she seen vs what Tina seen?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhMdC7MO0U


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georger

Dec 5, 2012, 9:10 AM
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Georger scolded
Quote:
Yes he called it wrong. But there is context for how
he called it, which you obviously forget since we
discussed this at length previously in this thread.
I guess you did not pay attention being not
entertained, in your subliminal id.

I doubt very much that this guy went to med school G. Read it closely. Psychologist not Psychiatrist. Not that it matters much in this context.

I know something about the training Psychologists get. My ex got her PhD in psych at UCLA while we were together. Six years of classes and clinical work. Nothing in her doctoral or post doc curriculum or practical training made her qualified to make a similar behavioral predictions based on such scanty second hand info.

Do I have a grudge against behavioral scientists? Not if they act like scientists. When they go into fortune teller mode then I do. In a life threatening emergency, guesses masquerading as science can get people killed.

377

TRANSCRIPT T8:
TIME PERIOD 6:59 – 7:41

time: xxx

[message from FAA psychiatrist]
Lee: 305? Did you hear the message? FAA
from Washington DC, from the FAA
Chief Psyhiatrist. He believes the second parachute
is for the stewardess to
use with him to go out, and after he leaves the
airplane will be blown up !
P: ALL, I kind of figured some way to get
her out, Id kind of like to get her out
when we’re ready to go.
GC: OK you got the message. That’s what we
needed to forward.
AL: Bill, this is Al here.
P: Yea
AL: Have you been able to get in the back
end of that cockpit or won’t he come
out?
P: He doesn’t want any of us in the aisle.
The only one he negotiates with is the
Stewardess (Mucklow) and he doesn’t
want anybody beyond that first
curtain. We’ve never left the cockpit.

GC: Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do
(is OK with us).


377  (F 666)

Dec 5, 2012, 10:13 AM
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My mistake G, looks like he was an MD Psychiatrist, but I still think he was in fortune teller mode, using a "sciencey" job title to push a guess.

Unrelated, but cool and relevant to aviation, wind drift etc. A small (about 6 ft dia) latex ham radio balloon carrying position reporting radio gear was launched from San Jose CA the other day. Last evening it crossed the Morrocan coast!!! It was travelling at about 100,000 ft. Filled with hydrogen.

http://www.californianearspaceproject.com/

377


georger

Dec 5, 2012, 10:19 AM
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My mistake G, looks like he was an MD Psychiatrist, but I still think he was in fortune teller mode, using a "sciencey" job title to push a guess.

Unrelated, but cool and relevant to aviation, wind drift etc. A small (about 6 ft dia) latex ham radio balloon carrying position reporting radio gear was launched from San Jose CA the other day. Last evening it crossed the Morrocan coast!!! It was travelling at about 100,000 ft. Filled with hydrogen.

http://www.californianearspaceproject.com/

377

well you may still be correct. After several searches
Im not sure myself. The transcript clearly says
psychiatrist but the FAA in 1968-75 also had a
Chief "Psychologist" named: Dr. John T. Dailey,
Chief Psychologist of the FAA ...

Google that name :
Dr. John T. Dailey, Chief Psychologist of the FAA
and you find a Google document where he discusses
the psychology of skyjackers .. and procedures.

I couldnt find Snowmman's prior discussion of this
on the thread search ... may look later when I have
more time.

Whoever it was I cant find the name at Sluggo's site
either .. tried searching there.


377  (F 666)

Dec 5, 2012, 10:20 AM
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From G's radio transcript quote:
Quote:
GC: Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do


Is the "'deal' from Boeing" referring to info on operating a 727 as a jumpship? Interesting that GC speculates that DBC has that info too.

377


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Amazon  (D License)

Dec 5, 2012, 10:25 AM
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"I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him"

can we really assume that Tina didn't pay any attention to Cooper's characteristics, due to stress, I can see this happening with a crime that is much shorter (Robbery, car jacking) most crimes are over in minutes giving less of a chance to ID the individual due to stress. this crime went on for hours and yet we still have different descriptions. one can still be intelligent, calm cool and collective and still be missing the perception of what they recall.

this almost plays out as if Cooper hijacked the plane and 20 minutes later removed the stews before taking off, then one could understand why the descriptions were off, but hours with him boggles me in understanding differences description wise? I do understand the stress of the bomb going off, but nowhere have I read panic was in play. she was calm enough to light a cigarette for him, that's up close and personal.

I think in IMO Flo had a better perception of recalling what she seen vs what Tina seen?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhMdC7MO0U

What would be the effect on someone being terrified and internalizing that fear over several hours.... as opposed to a short duration with a rapid adrenaline crash. Both can leave someone shaking... but with an extended period of that level of stress, it leaves people mentally and physically drained.
People deal with the after effects of traumatic events differently. Some recover quickly, others are never the same again. PTSD does not affect everyone but to some it is completely debilitating. We saw those effects after the South East Asian War Games... and we are seeing them again now with our young people coming home and just like my generation, many find an exit from all that internal pain in ways that society finds abhorrent.Unsure Trust me on this one... finding a loved ones brains splattered over the their books in the study is something I would wish on no one.FrownFrown


georger

Dec 5, 2012, 10:27 AM
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In reply to:
From G's radio transcript quote:
Quote:
GC:
Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do


Is the "'deal' from Boeing" referring to info on
operating a 727 as a jumpship? Interesting that GC
speculates that DBC has that info too.

377

That doc I refer to to above: Dr. John T. Dailey, Chief Psychologist of the FAA

Dailey's comments about skyjackers (profile) as a
group is remarkably close to what Farflung said.
Makes me wonder if Farflung read this doc? You
really should take a look at this document: here's
the url ... hopfully somebody who knows how can
wrap it:

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?
article=2103&context=flr&sei-redir=1&referer=http%
3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fhl%3Den%
26source%3Dhp%26q%3DDr.%2BJohn%2BT.%
2BDailey%252C%2BChief%2BPsychologist%2Bof%
2Bthe%2BFAA%252C%26gbv%3D2%26oq%3DDr.%
2BJohn%2BT.%2BDailey%252C%2BChief%
2BPsychologist%2Bof%2Bthe%2BFAA%252C%
26gs_l%3Dheirloom-
hp.3...2391.2391.0.4110.1.1.0.0.0.0.172.172.0j1.1.0
...0.0...1c.YMDa8eUc6zQ#search=%22Dr.%20John%
20T.%20Dailey%2C%20Chief%20Psychologist%
20FAA%2C%22

G.


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Robert99

Dec 5, 2012, 10:38 AM
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In reply to:
From G's radio transcript quote:
Quote:
GC: Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do


Is the "'deal' from Boeing" referring to info on operating a 727 as a jumpship? Interesting that GC speculates that DBC has that info too.

377

I think they were discussing the possibility of getting Tina back in the cockpit and then Tina and the entire flight crew would use the cockpit "escape rope" to vacate the aircraft through a cockpit window.

If they could have done that, Cooper would have been the only one on the aircraft and the matter would have been resolved in whatever manner he chose. Surrender or hot lead.

Robert99


377  (F 666)

Dec 5, 2012, 11:21 AM
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Cockpit escape techniques are part of normal safety training and are in the airline flight and training manuals. I am guessing they are referring to something else, some info that had to be obtained friom Boeing, some question that the flight crew and NWA ops couldnt answer.

377


mrshutter45

Dec 5, 2012, 11:21 AM
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agreed, but IMO the PTSD had not set in on Tina right after the left the plane and spoke with the FBI, and whether she is suffering from it or not, nobody knows for sure.

my observation is it's possible that Tina's perception is much different from Flo's, you don't need a traumatic event in order to have different conclusions to what someone has seen. you would think since Tina spent more time with him that she should have a good description, yet years later Flo says none of the sketches really looked like Cooper, which one is suffering a traumatic event, one or both? or did they both have a bad perception of describing Cooper? can we blame it on stress, or just bad judgement?

I agree that this has probably damaged Tina over the years, but I'm not sold has to the amount of damage right after the crime, if that makes sense?


Amazon  (D License)

Dec 5, 2012, 11:32 AM
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agreed, but IMO the PTSD had not set in on Tina right after the left the plane and spoke with the FBI, and whether she is suffering from it or not, nobody knows for sure.

my observation is it's possible that Tina's perception is much different from Flo's, you don't need a traumatic event in order to have different conclusions to what someone has seen. you would think since Tina spent more time with him that she should have a good description, yet years later Flo says none of the sketches really looked like Cooper, which one is suffering a traumatic event, one or both? or did they both have a bad perception of describing Cooper? can we blame it on stress, or just bad judgement?

I agree that this has probably damaged Tina over the years, but I'm not sold has to the amount of damage right after the crime, if that makes sense?

Many people right after a life threatening event are essentially babbling idiots.

It ain't purty to see at allUnsure


georger

Dec 5, 2012, 11:58 AM
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agreed, but IMO the PTSD had not set in on Tina right after the left the plane and spoke with the FBI, and whether she is suffering from it or not, nobody knows for sure.

my observation is it's possible that Tina's perception is much different from Flo's, you don't need a traumatic event in order to have different conclusions to what someone has seen. you would think since Tina spent more time with him that she should have a good description, yet years later Flo says none of the sketches really looked like Cooper, which one is suffering a traumatic event, one or both? or did they both have a bad perception of describing Cooper? can we blame it on stress, or just bad judgement?

I agree that this has probably damaged Tina over the years, but I'm not sold has to the amount of damage right after the crime, if that makes sense?

I agree with this approach - yours. This is why I say:
we would have to talk to Tina to really know, but
Tina was only one party contributing to the profile
sketch. The sketches are an agreement between
many witnesses, not just Tina.

Does Geoff Gray single out Tina in his book for
special treatment/description? Does Geoff speak to
Tina's description of Cooper, or Tina particular role
in the development of the FBI sketches? I think not,

Does Gray single out Flo in the same manner?
Evidently there was nothing in the files Geoff read to
make singling these people out noteworthy..

The sketches, as Ckret explained, is a consensus
among all of the witnesses which Ckret described as
being in 'close agreement', as a whole. It does not
rest on Tina alone, whatever her state.

I fear this stuff about Tina's "state" is being used as
a red herring (straw man) for a problem which did
not exist in the first place, if you believe Ckret
description of the 'process' which resulted in
sketches.

There is no actual evidence whatever that Tina was
a 'babling idiot?' following the events, unable to
function, and gave an erroneous description of
Cooper. I am rather sure if Geoff Gray reading the
files had picked that up he would have reported it -
he did not.

I ask myself: how would a physical anthropologist
group these sketches and assess them, looking at
them for consistency/reliability in desacribing
physical parameters? To me they fall into three
groups: (a) the original FBi sketches + Flo's
independent sketch, (b) the single fuller faced
sketch which shows different proportions, and (c)
Geoff new sketch based on one witness.

And there is no disagreement between all of the
parties as to general height!

So the veracity of the sketches does not rely on
Tina's emotional state alone, if at all.

And on the issue of height, there is no general
disagreement.

Consider for a moment what it would be if these
sketches turned out to be 'very accurate'! I mean we
are taken to the one extreme (not accurate) by a
group of people - why not shift to the other extreme
just for the sake of arguement, for a change! If
these sketches were "very accurate" then we are
looking for a guy who has very specific features, who
has not been found to date. Something would have
to explain that! The truth, may be somewhere in the
middle ... with doomsday and the "sketch cliff"
averted! Life may continue after all! Smile


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mrshutter45

Dec 5, 2012, 12:46 PM
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In reply to:
agreed, but IMO the PTSD had not set in on Tina right after the left the plane and spoke with the FBI, and whether she is suffering from it or not, nobody knows for sure.

my observation is it's possible that Tina's perception is much different from Flo's, you don't need a traumatic event in order to have different conclusions to what someone has seen. you would think since Tina spent more time with him that she should have a good description, yet years later Flo says none of the sketches really looked like Cooper, which one is suffering a traumatic event, one or both? or did they both have a bad perception of describing Cooper? can we blame it on stress, or just bad judgement?

I agree that this has probably damaged Tina over the years, but I'm not sold has to the amount of damage right after the crime, if that makes sense?

I agree with this approach - yours. This is why I say:
we would have to talk to Tina to really know, but
Tina was only one party contributing to the profile
sketch. The sketches are an agreement between
many witnesses, not just Tina.

Does Geoff Gray single out Tina in his book for
special treatment/description? Does Geoff speak to
Tina's description of Cooper, or Tina particular role
in the development of the FBI sketches? I think not,

Does Gray single out Flo in the same manner?
Evidently there was nothing in the files Geoff read to
make singling these people out noteworthy..

The sketches, as Ckret explained, is a consensus
among all of the witnesses which Ckret described as
being in 'close agreement', as a whole. It does not
rest on Tina alone, whatever her state.

I fear this stuff about Tina's "state" is being used as
a red herring (straw man) for a problem which did
not exist in the first place, if you believe Ckret
description of the 'process' which resulted in
sketches.

There is no actual evidence whatever that Tina was
a 'babling idiot?' following the events, unable to
function, and gave an erroneous description of
Cooper. I am rather sure if Geoff Gray reading the
files had picked that up he would have reported it -
he did not.

I ask myself: how would a physical anthropologist
group these sketches and assess them, looking at
them for consistency/reliability in desacribing
physical parameters? To me they fall into three
groups: (a) the original FBi sketches + Flo's
independent sketch, (b) the single fuller faced
sketch which shows different proportions, and (c)
Geoff new sketch based on one witness.

And there is no disagreement between all of the
parties as to general height!

So the veracity of the sketches does not rely on
Tina's emotional state alone, if at all.

And on the issue of height, there is no general
disagreement.

Consider for a moment what it would be if these
sketches turned out to be 'very accurate'! I mean we
are taken to the one extreme (not accurate) by a
group of people - why not shift to the other extreme
just for the sake of arguement, for a change! If
these sketches were "very accurate" then we are
looking for a guy who has very specific features, who
has not been found to date. Something would have
to explain that! The truth, may be somewhere in the
middle ... with doomsday and the "sketch cliff"
averted! Life may continue after all! Smile

Sketch cliff Smile good one!

The sketches could turn out to be close, but I have noticed one thing ? (see photo)
sometimes we just can't get it right (see photo)


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skyjack71

Dec 5, 2012, 4:31 PM
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you must have put the picture on here twice? this was the pic I was looking at, missing lower half.


OF COURSE A HORSE is A HORSE of Course!

The picture was taken on a hill and I have the complete photo.
I had to enlarge and crop it so the face could be seen and the "uniform" for lack of knowledge of what-ever he was wearing. I didn't think the Briefcase or music case was important - but obviously someone else does. I looks more like a music case or a pilots case instead of a regular brief case. Why I thought pilot or music director.


Robert99

Dec 5, 2012, 5:59 PM
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In reply to:
you must have put the picture on here twice? this was the pic I was looking at, missing lower half.


OF COURSE A HORSE is A HORSE of Course!

The picture was taken on a hill and I have the complete photo.
I had to enlarge and crop it so the face could be seen and the "uniform" for lack of knowledge of what-ever he was wearing. I didn't think the Briefcase or music case was important - but obviously someone else does. I looks more like a music case or a pilots case instead of a regular brief case. Why I thought pilot or music director.

Jo, The area in the immediate vicinity of Temple Square is quite flat. In addition, the scenery behind the man does NOT resemble any entrance to Temple Square that I have ever seen. And that building does not match the types that are on Temple Square.

The briefcase is exactly that, a medium thickness attache case. There is no indication of what it might contain but it is definitely NOT a pilot's case.

The "uniform" that the man is wearing reminds me of Captain Kangroo's double knits, but of a much darker color. And I definitely doubt that you would find such clothes at Temple Square.

I see absolutely nothing in that photograph that indicates any connection with Salt Lake City or even Utah.

Robert99


skyjack71

Dec 5, 2012, 8:09 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
you must have put the picture on here twice? this was the pic I was looking at, missing lower half.


OF COURSE A HORSE is A HORSE of Course!

The picture was taken on a hill and I have the complete photo.
I had to enlarge and crop it so the face could be seen and the "uniform" for lack of knowledge of what-ever he was wearing. I didn't think the Briefcase or music case was important - but obviously someone else does. I looks more like a music case or a pilots case instead of a regular brief case. Why I thought pilot or music director.

Jo, The area in the immediate vicinity of Temple Square is quite flat. In addition, the scenery behind the man does NOT resemble any entrance to Temple Square that I have ever seen. And that building does not match the types that are on Temple Square.

JO INSERT THIS EMPHATICALLY!
The building was the Assembly Hall and the picture was made up grade (perhaps you do NOT call it a hill) from the entrance within the grounds of the Mormon Church. The picture of the building in its entirety perhaps will REFRESH your mind.
This was established by the Sisters and others in Salt Lake.

YOU must never have been there - I have in my album a picture of the building (a picture I took) and of the Markers at the site I took the picture from. Since these pictures do not show the man I never felt the need to scan them and will NOT just to put you in your PLACE, Mr. Know IT ALL! I have never said it was at an entrance.


The briefcase is exactly that, a medium thickness attache case. There is no indication of what it might contain but it is definitely NOT a pilot's case.

The "uniform" that the man is wearing reminds me of Captain Kangroo's double knits, but of a much darker color. And I definitely doubt that you would find such clothes at Temple Square.

I see absolutely nothing in that photograph that indicates any connection with Salt Lake City or even Utah.

Robert99

A STRONG ADDENDUM:

Just who do YOU think YOU are trying to fool. Pehaps otherS who have NEVER been there. JUST what DO you think you are doing.
THIS alone tells me you are some kind of phoney IN THIS THREAD - just to try to discredit anyone from telling this part of the story - one that I lived and have pictures to prove. I take you to TASK on this because I have the pictures and the negatives.

I AM NOT A MORON NOR ARE OTHERS IN THIS THREAD.


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 5, 2012, 8:22 PM
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General note: If the sketches are so accurate as to nearly represent a photo of the hijacker...and the FBI is so sure of them...then WHY would the FBI spend soooo much time interviewing over a thousand suspects in the crime? Unless you believe that all of these suspects resembled the sketch?

Georger says in part:

Quote:
'And there is no disagreement between all of the
parties as to general height!

So the veracity of the sketches does not rely on
Tina's emotional state alone, if at all.

And on the issue of height, there is no general
disagreement...'

And yet at least some of the evidence says THERE IS dispute. I highly doubt Geoff Gray would tell outright lies regarding what the witnesses told the FBI after the hijacking. He has said publicly he was allowed to read the original reports taken down by the agents who interviewed the witnesses both in Seattle and Reno. And Gray has a different take on it entirely.

I've already mentioned a list of people who, according to Gray, gave widely varying descriptions of the hijacker. For example, Robert Gregory, who saw Cooper several times during the flight and says Cooper was 'no taller than five-nine.' Or the disagreement between Tina and Flo. Tina thought he was about five ten to six feet. Flo thought taller. And other discrepencies between these witnesses.

In fact, I trust the testimony of the passengers a bit better than I do the stews, because the passengers were under less stress. They did not know about a bomb and a hijacking, not initially. They were not quietly freaking out wondering whether they were ever going to see their families again.

You keep harping on these points about the sketch being so accurate. (I think it's reasonably close, but not a photograph, as you do) I even gave you the Green River Killer example and you just ignored that. Recall: Sketches hung up everywhere in the SeaTac area, including the Seven Eleven where the killer shopped occasionally, and he was never recognized from it. Also, the Green River Task Force didn't make the connection, even though they interviewed him at the GRTF office where the sketch was hanging on the wall.

Like your psychological Lucy/Peanuts based assessment of Mucklow, over the years you have created a world of pre-conceived notions. And I'm here to tell you that some of them are WRONG.

This is not all your fault. It sometimes happens when you are too close to something for too long, and have too much emotional content invested in that 'something'. So, you've become a bit intractable.

When I suggested that it might be difficult to judge someone's true height inside the confines of an aircraft cabin, you called it 'changing physics'. It was actually common sense. It IS easier to judge someone's height, for example, if you are standing next to them at the bus stop. If it were so easy to judge height under stress, convenience stores would not find it necessary to put those height measuring devices by the entrance doors.Wink


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georger

Dec 5, 2012, 8:26 PM
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The sketches could turn out to be close, but I have noticed one thing ? (see photo)
sometimes we just can't get it right (see photo)
The Chinese ad is funny!


georger

Dec 5, 2012, 8:29 PM
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General note: If the sketches are so accurate as to nearly represent a photo of the hijacker...and the FBI is so sure of them...then WHY would the FBI spend soooo much time interviewing over a thousand suspects in the crime? Unless you believe that all of these suspects resembled the sketch?

Why? Dont gets you diaper in a dither.

Standard Operating Procedure.


skyjack71

Dec 5, 2012, 8:31 PM
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JUST A PICTURE OF THE BUILDING THE MAN WAS WALKING IN FRONT OF.

THE ASSEMBLY HALL


If I called you the names I am verbalizing here in my office I would be Banned for Life on the thread - so I refuse to let the LIKE of you to continue to encite me.

I have taken MY pain medication at this time because I had a hard day, but I would LIKE to see an EXPLANATION FROM YOU BEFORE I LEAVE!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Dec 5, 2012, 8:35 PM)
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georger

Dec 5, 2012, 8:43 PM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] the Grinch that stole Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

 
what the witnesses told the FBI after the hijacking.

I've already mentioned a list of people who, according to Gray, gave widely varying descriptions

Robert Gregory,

between Tina and Flo.

"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe
There you go again, Marilyn, exaggerating the size
of your horn section ...

Witnesses! LOTS OF EM!
List! HUMONGOUS LIST!

Robert Gregory
Tina/Flo (close in height)

Thats one helluva a large list Marilyn. Witnesses, all
two of them.

So let me assist. Add Simmons and his wife -
maybe. Guess Geoff left Simmons off the long liost
running five pages... but I will add him and the Mrs.
Now you have 2 1/2.

Add the college kid across from Cooper. Now you
have 3 1/2

You need more witnesses, lists, and horns, Marilyn.

Try Victoria's Secret. There must be an outfit in the
closest never seen before... put it on and trot it out
on the runway ............ make sure the batteries
work.

CrazyLaugh


(This post was edited by georger on Dec 5, 2012, 8:45 PM)


skyjack71

Dec 5, 2012, 8:46 PM
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Re: [skyjack71] THE ASSEMBLY HALL [In reply to] Can't Post

GET THE PICTURE!

I AM WAITING FOR A REPLY!
MR. ROBERT99 !


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mrshutter45

Dec 5, 2012, 8:48 PM
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Easy Pickins [In reply to] Can't Post

well, it's bad enough we have different descriptions from eyewitnesses, we also have people matching photo's to the sketches, some have an exact match? I don't think the odds are that good on a exact match from sketch to photo.

let's take a look at the suspects all together?
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Robert99

Dec 5, 2012, 9:05 PM
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JO'S SALT LAKE CITY PICTURES [In reply to] Can't Post

In my opinion, the first floor level windows in the large Assembly Hall picture do in fact match the first floor level window behind the man in Jo's original picture. By this thread's standards, that is absolute proof.

Jo, For the record, I have spent plenty of time on multiple visits to Salt Lake City at the Family History Library, which is just across the street on the west side from the Assembly Hall. And also at the former Hotel Utah (now the Joseph Smith Building) just across the street on the east side from the Temple itself.

Robert99


(This post was edited by Robert99 on Dec 5, 2012, 10:52 PM)


mrshutter45

Dec 5, 2012, 9:15 PM
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Test [In reply to] Can't Post

try this test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfhIuaD183I


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