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377  (F 666)

Nov 19, 2012, 1:59 PM
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a Snowmman post from 2009:
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1) http://www.don-valentine.com/...%20and%20Vietnam.htm

"When Delta was experimenting with infiltration methods for our recon teams, we tried using beacons to help assemble the team after they parachuted into the thick jungle. We packed all of the rucksacks into a bundle and rigged a radio beacon to the bundle with its antenna taped to one of the parachute suspension lines.

After the teams reached the ground, they were always scattered and disoriented. First of all, they had to survive a night tree landing in very tall trees, which is very risky, then they had to climb down the tree to reach the ground.

We issued each man a small civilian transistor radio to help them locate the beacon. We had the frequency range of the radio "stretched" so it would pick up the beacon signal. When you held the radio right side up with its narrow side pointing towards the beacon, the beacon signal was the loudest.

Unfortunately, either narrow side produced the same results so you could not tell which way was correct. The only way to know for sure was to walk a good distance and aim your radio again. If the signal was getting stronger, you were okay. If it was getting weaker, you had to turn around and go in the opposite direction.

It took three days to assemble an RT using this method. Delta dropped that idea and kept experimenting. Try as we might, we never came up with an effective way to surreptitiously insert an RT into a thick jungle canopy. The lurps had to find open spaces large enough for the chopper to land or blast an LZ with 2,000 pound bombs."

Link seems to be dead now.

377


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Farflung

Nov 19, 2012, 2:35 PM
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This is what I would expect for a person on the ground with a small receiver, trying to DF something which is just as ‘lost’.

Cooper’s requirements would be different in that the DF unit is a car (knows where it is), roughly limited to roads, which sounds obvious, but drives the real need for azimuth accuracy. Which is relatively low in this application.

Initially you just need to know if you are heading towards Cooper and the road needs to head in that direction also. Aircraft and vessels don’t have this restriction.

After looking at the road network around Lake Merwin, I don’t see a massive advantage to having the lobes reduced to much less than 90 degrees. You only know if Cooper is fore or aft, then perhaps left or right of whatever road. It’s not like there are dozens of options or even dozens of miles between the roads.

From Lewis River Road (north side of Lake Merwin), you only have seven or eight options for traveling north. Once you’re on one of these roads, you really have left or right of the vehicle, then about two miles to walk to a parallel road. At that point you could haul out the walkie-talkie or honk the horn for such a short distance. But a very primitive system, used in a similar road network, appears to look like it could narrow things down to a few square miles.

No VC to dodge, no ground fire, no E&E stuff, unless that’s your normal mode of travel. Although it’s human nature to ‘gold plate’ everything, their budgets typically deliver something plastic, cheap and disposable. Look at your cell phone.


377  (F 666)

Nov 19, 2012, 2:40 PM
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Good point about the lobes Farf. You wouldnt need a lot of accuracy until you got close. General right left front back indications could get you close. .. eventually.

And the horn honk and walkie talkie comm idea is good. Hadn't thought of that.

Where were you on Norjack night? Can you prove it?

377


sailshaw

Nov 19, 2012, 2:42 PM
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377 You say
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I'm going to look through my junkbox and see what I can come up with for a low power BC band beacon. Then a field test to check reception distance and DF-ability. A wire antenna is a good idea for the transmitter. Stay tuned.


Have you thought about the rescue beacon transmit/receive radio's used by mountain rescue skiers. They were good for short ranges but were cheep in those days ($100 to $)200 each.

I really don't think DB used radio beacons as I think he was and is a real loaner and was good at orienting and finding his way in the outback and mountains. He also probably jumped within 5 to 10 miles of where he left his car in North Vancouver.
As I have said before, I think he was long gone by mid-night and somewhere in Oregon preparing his four letters to the News Papers and left his DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps.
When are those FBI guys going to test the envelopes for the DNA and match with Sheridan?
They can then be well on their way to solving the crime. This is the only remaining evidence that the FBI has not looked into and it can solve the crime.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


377  (F 666)

Nov 19, 2012, 2:55 PM
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I think the avalanche beacons are too short range to be of use.

I actually agree with you that its unlikely that Cooper used radios. I just like to fantasize that he did.

Sheridan Peterson, a veteran skydiver and smoke jumper and ex Marine knew plenty about wilderness landings and egress. He had night jump experience too.

I sure wish he could be interviewed, even if to just get his perpective on what it would take to do the jump successfully and who in 1971 knew about 727s being jumpable.

Somewhere he is quoted recommending the use of a flashlight to illuminate your landing area. He KNOWS that is BS, but why would he say it?

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Farflung

Nov 19, 2012, 3:01 PM
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Transcripts and Handwritten notes from Flo,

3:13 PM Crew is hijacked

3:26 Approaching LOFALL for holding

3:57 Already have backpack chutes

4:53 Waiting for chutes from McChord

I would be surprised if an Air Force Base would have reserve chutes. I could see them saying they only have bail out rigs, but not delaying the delivery.

5:07 Within ten minutes, should have two other chutes.

44 minutes from first notice of hijacking to having the backpack chutes doesn’t really allow much time for McChord to be refused or play games. McChord is 35 miles away and it looks more like the most expedient selections, with backups were made.

5:22 He is getting very impatient for the chutes.

He has inquired three times now about chutes.

He is not accepting the fact they are not available locally.

5:26 He (presume Cooper) is aware that TCM (FAA ID for McChord) is 20 miles away.


From page 10 of the handwritten notes:

“he” said why it took
Money + chutes long time
-Chutes came from
McCord
air force base.

He does wants to
Wait for the chutes
Before we land.
5 to 10 min.

That looks like McChord chutes weren’t an issue to Cooper. Where did this information come from about refusing McChord or the base not cooperating?


377  (F 666)

Nov 19, 2012, 4:59 PM
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Farflung wrote
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I would be surprised if an Air Force Base would have reserve chutes. I could see them saying they only have bail out rigs, but not delaying the delivery.

If McChord had an Air Rescue Squadron in Nov 71 then they had reserves. PJs (ARS parachute rescue jumpers) wore chest reserves in 1971. Some time ago ARS were called ARRS (Aerospace Rescue and Recovery Squadrons) I think.

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skyjack71

Nov 19, 2012, 5:15 PM
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'How could anyone go to Tina Bar today and
locate the exact spot and "hole" that existed in 1980 but does not remotely exist in physical form today? Some 30 feet of beachfront has ceased to exist since 1980, according to Tom Kaye! Were Galen and the boys standing in the water? Galen needs to provide a map and a few more details if we are to take this seriously -'

Mr. Fazio was with us in 2001 for the documentary. Even with changes in the beach at that time. The fence was still there and a couple of the original trees.
He knew where the shed was and since those 2 trees were pretty large they were pretty old.

At that time Fazio was able to pin point the find. Therefore he probably still could even if he is getting old and feeble like myself. If the original house and foundation are there - I am positive he would be able to again pin point it.

I just know what I saw and I what I witnessed on the beach and what I heard Fazion tell the crew.

If those guys on the crew took some good footage they would release (if they kept it) to us or the public or FBI that would help.

Would help validate where the money was and show how the beach changed.


MeyerLouie

Nov 19, 2012, 5:25 PM
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Galen G. Cook
Attorney at Law

As to the shard discovery by the kids: they were young teens, and their parents had no reason to get involved. These are fishermen, not scientists or sleuths. They prefer to be left alone and fish. I doubt any of them read the DZ, or sit around and try to establish the latest preferred theory. Most of the fishermen I talked to could care less about D.B. Cooper.
__________________________________________________
I find this hard to believe, but as Georger says, it's too early to draw conclusions. MeyerLouie


Farflung

Nov 19, 2012, 5:38 PM
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So here we go, round and round, where the answer is, nobody knows, but everyone’s sure.

So if there were PJs at McChord, they would have some reserve chutes. If they are PJ chutes, with reserves, then there wouldn’t be any ‘built in’ ELTs.

This is considered, even though the chutes from Cossey/Hayden and Issaquah, were visually indistinctive from military rigs, and were handled by FBI agents, who could have inserted a homing device at any time.

Cooper is getting uptight because he knows McChord is only 20 miles (actually 35) away, but ‘refuses’ rigs from the Air Force? This shit shouldn’t take 40 years to sort out.

But even if Cooper didn’t care about McChord, the Air Force had some bug up their ass about handing out chutes, even though they gave one to LaPoint for a hijacking, less than two months later.

The transcripts paint a story of the backpack chutes showing up rapidly, with the reserves being the chokepoint. Additionally the reserve and primary were incompatible.

Cooper has also been credited with selecting a military chute, and therefore making a superior ‘choice’, in spite of the fact that he ‘refused’ chutes from the military.

Cooper reads the data cards, but ignores the fact that the chute is out of time, and the reserve is a training dummy.

So the logistics of the chutes, and what Cooper said, which is recorded by Northwest, the FBI and the FAA, is still, how should I say this….. somewhat murky. But so help me god, people know exactly who Cooper is and precisely where the rest of the money is buried. Yep, that sounds just about right. You can imagine the concern I felt, when something may have started to actually follow the arc of something from Earth. Whew, that was a close one.


skyjack71

Nov 19, 2012, 5:49 PM
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In reply to:
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'How could anyone go to Tina Bar today and
locate the exact spot and "hole" that existed in 1980 but does not remotely exist in physical form today? Some 30 feet of beachfront has ceased to exist since 1980, according to Tom Kaye! Were Galen and the boys standing in the water? Galen needs to provide a map and a few more details if we are to take this seriously -'

Agree.

And what's a good explanation for the corners of twenties to be torn off and allegedly buried right next to Ingrams find?

Does anyone recall when the news broke about Ingram's money find? It was a VERY big deal.

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Smile
You know where I grew up, if my uncle or father had taken 12 and 14 yr olds fishing and there had been a lot of talk and news items about some money found, WHAT better way to entertain your charges. Tear off the corners of some 20's & stick them in the ground near the find. Just sounds like what an Uncle or Grandpa would do!

He could always turn the rest of the bills in at a bank and get replacements. This was the first thing I thought of when I heard the story Galen supposedly uncovered.

WinkOne has to look at the other stories Galen "uncovered".

ShockedLets call some of the things Hinges - a hinge is something that connects something to something else or JUST hangs off of something else.

I will NOTE at this time Cook used a lot of Hinges in his story connected to the story I have told since 1996. Prints on the Aft stairs is just one of the hinges to the story of Jo Weber as my accounting came many yrs before I ever heard of Cook.

Note: Cook was communicating with me for yrs. before this thread....but, he always had a suspect (he didn't even tell me his real name until I tracked him thru a source).

The information Cook provide yrs ago - he had NO idea I had others who could track the source - that one really really got Cook going when I told him who owned a certain piece of property). Cooks suspects have changed several times over the many yrs he as been at this. I expect he and I have been on this Hunt for about the same lenght of time - I just do NOT know when he started his hunt.

UnsureHinges to my story can be identified. I am just getting old and can't put my finger on them at this time. But all of us know that some of the "stuff" he comes up with is just NOT logical:

1. A witness who sees a plane and sees the skyjacker on the aft stairs (logically everyone knows that is just NOT possible).

2. A judge who Gosset told about leaving some prints - the judge is dead. NOW this one is a HINGE to the story Jo Weber has told - about Duane's nightmare in 1978 about leaving his prints on the Aft stairs. Yrs before he ever heard of Gossett.

3. Wolfgang Gossett being protrayed as Cooper AFTER Cook get a phone call from a guy who was a kid in 1971 - claiming his father was Cooper and Cook bites - hook and sinker.

SmileHey, I like that Hook, Cook and Sinker! Gotta find some humor in this someplace.LaughSlyWink


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 5:51 PM
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Farflung (and others) on the idea of using DF or other similar gear in the hijacking:

What makes any of you believe that Cooper was PLANNING to jump in a location where he would NEED a DF setup with someone on the ground?

You keep missing a common-sense point. If Cooper were planning on jumping south of Olympia, into the Middle of Nowhere...he probably would not have requested the stairs be down for takeoff. This choice of having to jump into the more heavily forested areas south of Olympia was probably forced upon him by circumstances. Just a few minutes' delay in getting the airstairs open could make quite a difference from where the hijacker PLANNED to jump, and where he actually DID jump.

Margie Geestman property sale: Doesn't surprise me. She would be about 83 now, and it's possible she is no longer able to take care of business at the ranch.


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skyjack71

Nov 19, 2012, 6:02 PM
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Try this one:

Cooper may have used the Dummy Chute to pack the money in or maybe he intended to and saw something that WAS not supposed to be there - like some kind of homing device - So he tosses out of the plane. MIGHT be why the FBI was looking around Ariel and the Grist Mill.

SmileTongueJust a Dumb Broad think outside of the box about something she know nothing about!


smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 6:16 PM
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In reply to:
Farflung (and others) on the idea of using DF or other similar gear in the hijacking:

What makes any of you believe that Cooper was PLANNING to jump in a location where he would NEED a DF setup with someone on the ground?

You keep missing a common-sense point. If Cooper were planning on jumping south of Olympia, into the Middle of Nowhere...he probably would not have requested the stairs be down for takeoff. This choice of having to jump into the more heavily forested areas south of Olympia was probably forced upon him by circumstances. Just a few minutes' delay in getting the airstairs open could make quite a difference from where the hijacker PLANNED to jump, and where he actually DID jump.

Jeez...read the posts. Absolutely no one is advocating that they believe this. It's just being discussed and most are saying it's unlikely.

A lot of folks think that his plan was to jump immediately, but here's some more food for thought...Maybe, just maybe.... for several reasons...he wanted it open because he was just not at all sure that the door would open in flight.

Seems to me for all his "insistence", he gave in pretty easy on the door thing if he indeed knew that they could take off with it open.


Robert99

Nov 19, 2012, 6:34 PM
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In reply to:
Try this one:

Cooper may have used the Dummy Chute to pack the money in or maybe he intended to and saw something that WAS not supposed to be there - like some kind of homing device - So he tosses out of the plane. MIGHT be why the FBI was looking around Ariel and the Grist Mill.

SmileTongueJust a Dumb Broad think outside of the box about something she know nothing about!

Jo, Start thinking INSIDE the box again.

First, the dummy chute was sewn shut. It would not open when the dummy rip cord was pulled since the rip cord pins were not connected to it.

Second, the only logical place to put a tracking device would be in the main chute which was expected to be used which would activate the tracking device. The reserve chute would have been used only as a last resort even if it was operational.

Third, I doubt if the dummy chute could have held more than about one-third of the money in the first place. The reserve chute containers are quite small.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 6:37 PM
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In reply to:
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In reply to:
Farflung (and others) on the idea of using DF or other similar gear in the hijacking:

What makes any of you believe that Cooper was PLANNING to jump in a location where he would NEED a DF setup with someone on the ground?

You keep missing a common-sense point. If Cooper were planning on jumping south of Olympia, into the Middle of Nowhere...he probably would not have requested the stairs be down for takeoff. This choice of having to jump into the more heavily forested areas south of Olympia was probably forced upon him by circumstances. Just a few minutes' delay in getting the airstairs open could make quite a difference from where the hijacker PLANNED to jump, and where he actually DID jump.

Jeez...read the posts. Absolutely no one is advocating that they believe this. It's just being discussed and most are saying it's unlikely.

A lot of folks think that his plan was to jump immediately, but here's some more food for thought...Maybe, just maybe.... for several reasons...he wanted it open because he was just not at all sure that the door would open in flight.

Seems to me for all his "insistence", he gave in pretty easy on the door thing if he indeed knew that they could take off with it open.

Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I just spoke to the guy who did the Power of Attorney on Margie Geestman. I was right. She was getting too old to handle the ranch by herself anymore. She sold it and moved to a condo. I did not ask where. On his request, I sent him the PDF to Blast.


Farflung

Nov 19, 2012, 6:50 PM
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You might as well not get the concept too, RobertMBlevins.

Just because I TALK about something does not mean I believe in it or support it (slavery, UFOs, NAZIs). DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

DF or not, first of all, you published a pile of pure bullshit about it being too difficult to use. Pure crap and typical of everything you say. Total junk and you knew it was guano when you typed it, you knew it was garbage when you reviewed it, and you knew it was more deception when you hit the post comment button. No accidents, mistakes, or miscommunications, you made all that sorry tripe up about something you were convinced that no one would know about, let alone be intimate with the subject. If you tell the truth, you don’t have to fret and worry about covering your tracks constantly.

Why are you so terrified of the very suggestion of something, which resides in the land of probability? Did Cooper live? Could have. Did Cooper die? Could have. Gosh, I’m so conflicted, I should just consult my Ouija Board and see if it leads me to my pre-selected, although publically denied, solution.

So you lie about DF systems because you don’t think Cooper used them. Gee, thanks for the adult supervision, Mr. ‘Knows A Woman Who Was The First To Drive Four Horses Abreast AND Ran In The Iditarod’ guy. Your common sense managed to avoid case studies again where you are proven wrong, yet again.

Heady took off with the stairs closed and landed less than 17 miles from the airport. So much for your brilliant theory about having the stairs down for takeoff. McCoy flew from San Francisco to Utah, then managed to land within 10 miles of his house. Not bad for someone with nothing more than a watch, in a plane doing 3 miles a minute. How did he do that one? (insert long cricket chirps)

Where’s the common sense that would research the publication dates of a Dan Cooper comic, before declaring how ‘his’ suspect saw Dan Cooper comics in Shemya?

If it turns out to be unfeasible or impossible to use any RF devices, THEN SOME RESEARCH will support that assumption. RobertMBlevins repeating things to the point where one has such a primal reaction, that they puke until there is chunks of Mastodon meat in the bile, is not using common sense.

Why not publish your data that shows the propagation footprint of a LF beacon, or a VHF one for that matter. Hell, go up to the India band or Ka and Ku for all I care. What sort of antenna gain would you need? Would you use a parabolic system or a semi-truncated, rotating array? I certainly wouldn’t rule out gain differential techniques or interferometric for their obvious advantages. How would you handle noise reduction? Signal attenuation or channelized receivers are simple forms of filtration. Oh well, we will never be graced with those parameters because this isn’t common sense.

Now common sense is having some goober sitting in an Airstream, at some property with a phone but no building. Sure it’s almost 100 miles away from Battle Ground, but that doesn’t matter because this is better than the ‘common sense’ solution with Paradise Point Park. See he calls Bernie, but here’s the brilliant part….. he cups his hand over his mouth and talks in a whisper. See, because that way the cops can’t hear him telling Bernie how he got away with it and he needs a ride to the Airstream, where there will be no buttseks.


BruceSmith

Nov 19, 2012, 7:34 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/


smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 7:51 PM
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Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I'll have to peruse the transcripts again for true numbers but don't they take off about 730ish, and some think - based on Hancock and Mucklow accounts if I remember correctly - that he supposedly has the gear on and -- the money tied before Mucklowe is in the cockpit and before the aft stair light comes on / door is down.
So Aft stair light on/door is down within 5 - 10 mins after takeoff ------ But they don't get the oscillation until around 8:12.
I don't think any of us can really know what his plan was and I'm not saying that his aim was not to make a quick dive --- - but for someone that's in a hurry to get out of there, that's approx 30 mins that he's back there twiddling his thumbs.


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 7:54 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. 'Monumentous' my eye. Don't you use Google? I read your article. That find was all over the newspapers in 1988. Cook is coming off like it is a brand new discovery. Found the attached at the Lodi News Sentinel, and it's in the Deseret News and a TON of other papers.

In my humble opinion when you deal with Cook you need to start cutting through the BS and the unneeded mystery with him. And there is a glaring discrepency in Cook's version. The news articles call it a 'patch,' not a pilot chute. Tosaw says he thinks it 'came from a pilot chute'. Okay, so where are whatever serves as lines on this 'patch'? The piece is mysteriously absent and Cook can't even get a look at it, or a picture? Or a description over the phone from the Tosaw family?

Cossey said it didn't match anything he packed, although I wouldn't necessarily depend on his word alone. 'Pilot chute'. Who says so?

Google Link to larger size version of the Lodi article. Snapshot attached below.


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mrshutter45

Nov 19, 2012, 8:08 PM
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Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I'll have to peruse the transcripts again for true numbers but don't they take off about 730ish, and some think - based on Hancock and Mucklow accounts if I remember correctly - that he supposedly has the gear on and -- the money tied before Mucklowe is in the cockpit and before the aft stair light comes on / door is down.
So Aft stair light on/door is down within 5 - 10 mins after takeoff ------ But they don't get the oscillation until around 8:12.
I don't think any of us can really know what his plan was and I'm not saying that his aim was not to make a quick dive --- - but for someone that's in a hurry to get out of there, that's approx 30 mins that he's back there twiddling his thumbs.

the magic number we have found that works so far is 7:36:33 for take off and to date I have only went as far as Toledo/Maylay area until further testing with weather is complete Cool


smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 8:14 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. I read the article. That find was all over the newspapers. Cook is coming off like it is a brand new discovery. Found the attached at the Lodi News Sentinel, and it's in the Deseret News and a TON of other papers.

I like you a lot, Bruce. You have gotten better, I think, on your technique. But in my humble opinion when you deal with Cook you need to start cutting through the BS and the unneeded mystery with him.

LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings.


I will definitely look forward to hearing more about it, though, with you. For one thing, the Pilot chute Is described as being 18 inches in the article, but 24 - 36 in Bruce's article. Perhaps they are talking about two different finds?? I guess we'll have to wait til more info comes out.


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 8:22 PM
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Smokin99 quotes/says in part:

'LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

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"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings...'

That information wasn't 'lost in 40 years of investigatory dust'. I found four direct references to it and dozens more available in many western newspapers and some east-coast papers. Lodi is in California, and so is San Jose. Salt Lake City is where a lot of Mormons hang out. Article appears in all of those and more. Those are not 'local media'. This story definitely hit the wire.

I don't have 'venom' toward Cook. I just have a short fuse for someone who tries to re-invent a known story, and then engage in puffery to make it sound as if HE made a big discovery out of it. My opinion is that Cook decided to use that story to bolster his claim about shards being found the month before Brian Ingram did. There is no proof of that, either. But it might be easier to sell if you try and combine it with Tosaw's old patch find. Crazy

I found those articles in less than 30 seconds on my first Google search.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Nov 19, 2012, 8:35 PM)


mrshutter45

Nov 19, 2012, 8:25 PM
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no shutter did not "quote" anything, read the thread properly!!!


RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 8:37 PM
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In reply to:
no shutter did not "quote" anything, read the thread properly!!!

What? Are you sure?Smile

Oh. Fixed.


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