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georger

Nov 20, 2012, 11:40 AM
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And yet...look who made up a BS story about it, trying to foist off some lame 'under 40 years of investigative dust' claim and link it to another BS story about shards being found the month before Brian Ingram in the same area? (Corners only, of course) That story smells worse than a month-dead salmon.

Do you and Farflung cherry-pick on who you call BS on, or do you have a list of folks who you tacitly accept, no matter what crap they try to foist off on you? If I tried pushing off these stories on this forum, and did it in the phony-baloney way Cook did, well...let's just say it would be an ugly thing indeed.
Once again Blevins you either are not aware of or
dismiss actual history, namely: all kinds of people
have speculated wondering if others found money at
Tina Bar, ever since the Ingram find. Speculators
and curiosity seekers became a real problem
following the Ingram find, and had to be turned
away. Then after the formal excavation the bart was
closed for a time ... there have always been 'rumors'
that other money was found, prior and then after the
Ingram find. The Ingram find spured Tosaw and
others to speculate that the area was even contain
Cooper's remains ...

The issues are larger than any one person. Galen or
Tosaw or Rainey or Jones or Pringle etal. There have
been tens of theories by hundreds of people. That's
the historical record -

As a self-professed Man of Letters, I would think you
would be excited by this, not repulsed. Perhaps you
are in the wrong business, with the wrong creden-
ials, to make any contribution in this whole matter.

There is nothing written in the stars that anyone
needs make special accomodation or permission
from you ... in this whole matter.

Quite obviously, you think the same of all of us!
It is deeply personal with you, for some mysterious
reason beyond the scope of this thread or the
Cooper case. Everyone sees your struggle. The
same can be said of Jo Weber. Whatever you are
trying to prove, it doesnt seem to be working for you
personally.


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georger

Nov 20, 2012, 11:55 AM
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The little chute (seen in article photo) is DEFINITELY not a bailout rig pilot chute. It's almost certainly a flare chute. The other possibility is a radiosonde chute used to recover weather balloon payloads, but it's a bit too small for this type.

377

377 is undoubtedly right about this being a flare chute. And an excellent place for this chute to start its journey to the Tena Bar area is the Yakima Firing Center east of Yakima, WA.

The Yakima Firing Center is bounded on the west by the Yakima River, which later joins the Columbia River, and on the east by the Columbia River itself.

These artillery flares included the flare itself and a small parachute, with both having to fit inside a 105mm howitzer shell along with the "nose cone" and protective means to separate them from the powder bags.

That chute may have started its journey downstream even before the Cooper hijacking.

Robert99

That would be very interesting a connection if true!
That would be a very long difficult transport by
water - but maybe Cooper had a connection to this
ordinance center? Machinist?


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377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 1:27 PM
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Is metallic titanium of the type found on Cooper's alleged tie used in flares? I know magnesium is used in some types. Just wondering.

377


Robert99

Nov 20, 2012, 3:04 PM
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Is metallic titanium of the type found on Cooper's alleged tie used in flares? I know magnesium is used in some types. Just wondering.

377

I don't know about the titanium.

The Yakima Firing Center is now known as the Yakima Training Center and is used for live firing by units from Fort Lewis (which is adjacent to McChord AFB just south of Seattle).

Wikipedia has a one page article on the Yakima Training Center.

Robert99


skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 4:33 PM
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He [Duane] knew how to make a car CD communicate with small aircraft.

Jo,

That's impossible unless the plane also had a CB radio, which is highly unlikely.

What exactly did you witness in this alleged car to plane communication?

377

I explained this yrs ago and to this thread several times.
We were in route to from Cheyenne, Wy to Rock Creek (I think that is right without looing it up on a map). The CB was on and suddenly I hear the CB and transmissions - what was being said was flight directional things. Duane exchanged some words about frequency. It was short and I do not remember what was said, but we quickly lost the connection....going in opposite directions. I didn't even see the damn plane.

We were in the Caddy and I have repeatedly told about the extra battery Duane carried in the trunk of the car and had it checked regularly. That was so if we were stranded in a white-out we could keep communications with air searches....even if the car battery ran down.

I just thought all of this was normal. I didn't know it was unusual. I had never been around a CB in my life other than what I saw on TV.

NOW, you tell me that couldn't be done? If what you are saying is true - then perhaps I am Delusional, but I know what happened and that was NOT the last time.

I explained to you guys about Duane telling me in the 80's when it was almost 2AM on a Xmas Eve and my daughter had not arrived into the Virginia Beach area (she did not have a cell and she had never made that trip between Atlanta and Va. Bch). He told me to go on the CB and see if anyone had seen her. YOU guys told me NO way I was talking to a truck driver going East on Suicide Strip TO VA. Bch.

I kept repeatind if anyone out there saw her to come back that I was afraid something had happened. Finally a driver comes in and tells me he is on her - and was flashing his lights - she was doing just fine. He then communicates with me that she has reach the destination I was to meet her at. I wrote the lyrics to a song about my Baby and Christmas and a CB and that truck driver - after that. I do not remember it and have since lost the words.

It's Xmas Eve and My baby's never drove suicide strip.
That' my Baby, Thats my world come on Back to me Big Guys. I don't even know how to use this thing. It was a bunch of ramblings like that.

Then the male vocal comes in and brings my baby home. A frantic mother pleading for help and a truck driver who guides her to a destination as though it she was his own...after he passed her and they exchanged flashes she follows him in.


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skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 4:52 PM
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NO WAY he knew so much about the area and claiming he was Cooper not to have been

Sigh...

377

Fact: Duane threw a paper bag into the Columbia
Speculation: Jo would be the first to explain how the money got onto Tena Bar.

Jo says: Duane was protecting young inmates from being raped.
that statement alone is not true, there are no hero's in prison it's each man for himself, if
you are weak they will find this out FAST and you will have to pay for protection!
sounds to me like another story from Duane Weber.

Duane seems to have knowledge about everything......except getting caught doing a crime!

FrownMad
EXCUSE ME: This was a conclusion I made on my own based on my finding out how many times he was in prison and certain individuals I met over the yrs without my understanding the connection - other than protective. There were 2 such guys over the period of our marriage. He told me Tommy was a dangerous man - so who was TG and why call him dangerous and not call the other two dangerous.

Remember I did NOT know Duane had been in prison and this is my opinion of his relationship with at least 2 guys I met from his past in our 17 yr marriage.


377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 5:06 PM
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Jo,

Long distance CB to CB contacts are routine if atmospheric conditions are right. No big deal. I am surprised preople derided your account of long distance comms. You could have just been lucky that an atmospheric reflection path let you communicate with distant CBers in the area of interest.

CB (e.g. 27 MHz) to aicraft radio (eg 126 MHz) direct two way comms cant be done. IMPOSSIBLE. Really Jo. TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I've never seen a plane equipped with a CB radio and I've seen the interiors of hundreds of planes. It's possible technically, but unlikely. To have it installed in the panel legally on a standard category aircraft it would have to have certain FCC and FAA approvals that I dont think any CB radios have.

You wrote
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what was being said was flight directional things. Duane exchanged some words about frequency. It was short and I do not remember what was said, but we quickly lost the connection....going in opposite directions. I didn't even see the damn plane.

I think its possible that you simply misinterpretted what kind of vehicle Duane was communicating with. Nothing above says with certainty that he was communicating with an airplane.

10-4?

377


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skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 5:07 PM
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Fact: Duane stole purses, wallets etc.

Speculation: Duane left enough money for the victims to get by for a day.


UnsureIf there was evidence the victim has small children - you can bet your what-ever! Especially in the later yrs - just an instinctual thing a woman has.


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Fact: Duane knew an airplane mechanic.

Speculation: The airplane mechanic was involved in parachuting activities.

ShockedEd himself told me about their being in WA and that he repaired helicopters and plane.


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Fact: Duane was familiar with geography in the area in which Cooper allegedly landed.

Speculation: Duane was either Cooper or the "man on the ground".

FrownMadUnsureUnimpressed
This conclusion is because the FBI didn't investigate Duane's background for the WA, ID and OR yrs - or they neglected NOT to do so.


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Fact: Duane knew a person called "Paperlegs".

Speculation: Paperlegs was associated with smoke jumping.

THEN why did the FBI not contact Paperlegs - he only died a few yrs ago! But, already deceased when I found him....the FBI could have contacted him easy as pie.

Does the answer to these question NOT make YOU wonder at all - or to speculate about his being Cooper? They should!


377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 5:13 PM
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Jo wrote
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Does the answer to these question NOT make YOU wonder at all - or to speculate about his being Cooper? They should!

Nope. I'd need to see something FAR MORE substantive and relevant. Call me Mr. Sceptical.

Put Duane in a chute. You've had years to do that one simple thing and have been unable to do so.

377


skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 5:17 PM
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Fact: Duane threw a paper bag into the Columbia
Speculation: Jo would be the first to explain how the money got onto Tena Bar.

Jo has been the only person to explain how the money arrived on Tena's beach. Did these other people who claim they know who Cooper was ever explain that?

Hell, I didn't even know I was on Tena's beach and I was just telling the story about our trip - it was later when it was pointed out by "others" that I had explained how the money got on the beach by relating the "Sentimental Journey".

The prison thing is just something I suspect from my relationship with Duane and what I did know about him as a person and how protective he was of others.


mrshutter45

Nov 20, 2012, 6:01 PM
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Fact: Duane threw a paper bag into the Columbia
Speculation: Jo would be the first to explain how the money got onto Tena Bar.

Jo has been the only person to explain how the money arrived on Tena's beach. Did these other people who claim they know who Cooper was ever explain that?

Hell, I didn't even know I was on Tena's beach and I was just telling the story about our trip - it was later when it was pointed out by "others" that I had explained how the money got on the beach by relating the "Sentimental Journey".

The prison thing is just something I suspect from my relationship with Duane and what I did know about him as a person and how protective he was of others.

Marla said LD landed 7 miles from his house, must be true.
L.J. "Geronimo" Henry has the ransom note, must be true
K.C. has a piece of wood in the attic, must be a hiding spot.

all the stories are the same, no evidence, not able to place on the plane or in a chute. throwing a paperbag in the river (unknown contents) hardly explains how the money got on Tena Bar.


Robert99

Nov 20, 2012, 6:21 PM
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YOU guys told me NO way I was talking to a truck driver going East on Suicide Strip from VA. Bch.

Jo, If you go EAST from Virginia Beach, VA, you are going to be in the Atlantic Ocean really fast. The Ocean is the ONLY thing east of Virgina Beach until you get to Europe or maybe the Azores.

Robert99


skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 6:26 PM
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Jo,

Long distance CB to CB contacts are routine if atmospheric conditions are right. No big deal. I am surprised preople derided your account of long distance comms. You could have just been lucky that an atmospheric reflection path let you communicate with distant CBers in the area of interest.

CB (e.g. 27 MHz) to aicraft radio (eg 126 MHz) direct two way comms cant be done. IMPOSSIBLE. Really Jo. TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I've never seen a plane equipped with a CB radio and I've seen the interiors of hundreds of planes. It's possible technically, but unlikely. To have it installed in the panel legally on a standard category aircraft it would have to have certain FCC and FAA approvals that I dont think any CB radios have.

You wrote
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what was being said was flight directional things. Duane exchanged some words about frequency. It was short and I do not remember what was said, but we quickly lost the connection....going in opposite directions. I didn't even see the damn plane.

I think its possible that you simply misinterpretted what kind of vehicle Duane was communicating with. Nothing above says with certainty that he was communicating with an airplane.

10-4?

377

No, it was the plane and it seemed to be having a problem with frequencies. I do not know if they heard the transmission Duane made - because we were out of range.

How do you think the Smokejumper communicated with the ground? USE your head.
I have told you before I felt Duane had perhaps worked ground/air communications for small planes. I base this in part because of the CB man who replaced Duane's system after we moved to Fl and a couple of things Duane said.

I had a reason to contact the man who at one time did some work on Duane's C.B. I was not talking to this man in any relation to Cooper. I was probably trying to sell him insurance or to collect an annual premium that had not been paid - back when Duane was alive.

Also remember the man who lived behind us was a Ham operator with a tall tower and we got his communications and police communications on our TV.

Duane fixed his system to stop this interference or put something on our antennae.

You forget that it was 1979 when the plane transmission came in on our CB and forget the law. We know Weber was a crook and a con - so he obviously was not worried about violating it. I know the plane to car communication happened...I know the Caddy was set up that way.

I know he had it set so we could get help in the event we were caught in a white out or in a wreck - It was a long way from Casper to Cheyenne and to Gillett...in 1978, Actually it was that system that did save us one time - but it was with a trucker and he got us out of there. He was the last truck to go thru before they closed the road and he knew there was a distress call on the CB for maker such and such.

By being the last one thru - he was assured that his rig would not be jeopardized by another rig slamming into his should he be disabled by stopping to help us. Actually he intended for us to abandon the car and go in his truck to Cheyenne...but decided to get us out and for us to follow in his track....we made it out.

If it had not been for that CB - Duane and I would have been there for 30 plus hrs. We spent the night in Cheyenne because the roads were CLOSED to Fort Collins. Oh, and this was the day after Duane made a 1 and 1/2 hours trip NORTH of Little Rock to the town Paperlegs lived in. He left him a package and you can bet it was NOT insurance related. The FBI did NOT even contact Paperlegs while he was still alive - no one did anything but me and I was always a day late and a dollar short.


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skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 6:42 PM
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YOU guys told me NO way I was talking to a truck driver going East on Suicide Strip to VA. Bch.

Jo, If you go EAST from Virginia Beach, VA, you are going to be in the Atlantic Ocean really fast. The Ocean is the ONLY thing east of Virgina Beach until you get to Europe or maybe the Azores.

Robert99

NOT from but to VA Bch - you evidently do NOT know where Suicide Strip is. It came off of the main Hwy from Atlanta, Ga. There was no 4 lane at that time unless you went out of your way to reach the part of Va. Bch we lived in which borderlined Norfolk

These guys know the area I am talking about. We had this discussion a long time ago right here in this thread.

EXCUSE me if my wording is NOT always up to snuff. I again have a BIG test tomorrow so I need to go to calm down and then go to bed.

Perhaps you were just needling me because I made a mistake, but I corrected it. Thank You if that is all you intended. She lived in Atlanta and the fasted route to our home in VA Bch was to get off of the highway onto a very dangerous 20 plus mile road going East off of the Interstate. All of this was in 1983 or 1984 so forgive me IF I do not turn to a map everytime.

I often am just speaking from my head and my fingertips - and I do make mistakes. I have to keep ALL of this crap and the memories in my head. I make mistakes and it was TO and not from.

Some others in the thread discussed this short cut a long time ago. Two lanes with mostly semi truck making their haul.
There were a lot of people killed on that road - why it was called Suicide Strip. I have not been there since we left Va Bch in 1987 for Alabama. We only stayed in Alabama about 11 months before we moved to Florida - the location was a dart on a map on the back of a door.

I did NOT like Alabama.


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mrshutter45

Nov 20, 2012, 6:56 PM
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Jo, do you know what a CB is? or what it stands for, what exactly is a CB man?
If he did anything to the antenna he would screw up the SWR's and possibly blow the finals.


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Farflung

Nov 20, 2012, 6:58 PM
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377 rightfully observed:

I've never seen a plane equipped with a CB radio and I've seen the interiors of hundreds of planes. It's possible technically, but unlikely.

Unlikely and illegal, as in Federal crime illegal.

That radio has to be certified for use in aircraft. Why do you think people have to turn off electronics in airliners?

I could just imagine some 747, on a PAR, at minimums, then some idiot goober starts keying his homemade airplane radio, in his car, with no frequency stability, AGC, power regulation and a 500 Khz bandwidth with, Hey there good buddy, wuts yer 20? Dis herezzz Paperbrainz and I gots whut you need, how copy?

Theres a reason the Chicken Band occupies the Sahara Desert of the FCC frequency spectrum, between garage door openers and restaurant pocket vibrators.

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/...ns/2003-allochrt.pdf

Ive got a KX-99 (thats right Im bragging) that I take in my vehicle when Im feeling especially geeky. I think I paid around $800 over 20 years ago for the thing, and that all but killed me. Now handhelds are under $200 and weigh ounces. Not my American designed (Singapore manufactured) Bendix King. Nope, it comes in at a manly one and three quarter pounds, with 760 channels and ten being programmable. My other choice was a Ten-Tec TT-920, which is a name a HAM would recognize as the Rolls Royce of Radio gear.


BruceSmith

Nov 20, 2012, 7:23 PM
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The following was posted on the Mountain News today by Galen Cook, and addresses some of the current questions regarding the search at Tina's bar and the finding of the pilot chute.

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Once again, a bit of personal commentary to help disgorge the log-jam of information.

I've spent considerable time, probably between 100 and 150 hours at T-Bar, both on the shoreline and in boats between the wingdam of Caterpillar Island and the northern reaches of Tina's Bar. Tosaw and I were on his chartered expedition in 05' and again in 08'. In 05' Tosaw used a dive barge, crew of three hardhat divers, underwater camera, and some sounding devices. It was a pretty elaborate operation. Tosaw died in 09' after considerable illness.

In 09', 10', 11' and 2012, I began my own research at T-Bar, and that included teaming up with a very competent scientist who has terminal degrees, is a part-time professor, and has his own consulting business with a laboratory in Portland. Our experiments lasted three years and the results will be released at a time of our own choosing.

This latest piece of information, the finding of a pilot-chute, was first brought to my attention by "Georger." I regard "Georger" as an acquaintence who has excellent credentials and some skin in the D.B. Cooper game. "Georger" and I do not agree on everything, but we are civil and professional in our exchanges. I consider "Georger" a dedicated researcher of fact.

Tosaw did not mention to me his 1988 find of the pilot-chute. Tosaw did not mention to me his 1985 interview with "Janet." He kept this for himself because of his personal needs to try and solve the D.B. Cooper case.

I have interviewed Earl Cossey on numerous occasions. He always returns my calls. SA Larry Carr does not believe D.B. Cooper survived his jump. SA Curtis Eng believes he did survive.
The list of theories and speculations by qualified investigators is long.

The latest bits of information presented in Bruce Smith's news journal are fodder for the individuals with impartialed minds ( the persons who can add constructively to the fact-building of this mysterious case). There is an opening into the big-tent of D.B. Cooper sleuths. "Georger" and Bruce Smith are both well aware and do a good job. The price of admission isn't necessarily cheap, as some have learned, and it appears that some never get admitted.

G. Cook


skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 7:26 PM
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Jo, do you know what a CB is? or what it stands for, what exactly is a CB man?
If he did anything to the antenna he would screw up the SWR's and possibly blow the finals.

I just know that CB's are what is put into cars to communicate with other before we had cells.
I know we had them from the beginning of our marriage till there was no need for one.

Duane seemed to be able to handle anything from annetaes for TVs to the large tower the neighbor had for his ham operation which came in on our TV. Either the man put a device on his system or Duane did on our TV antennae to take care of the problem of interference - we got his conversations and also police calls on our TV. When this happened that was a lot of squawking on the TV. I was working 10 hrs a day - Duane took care of it.

"a CB man" - ? I have no idea!

Have to take my medication and go to bed - Good Night!


BruceSmith

Nov 20, 2012, 7:30 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. 'Monumentous' my eye. Don't you use Google? I read your article. That find was all over the newspapers in 1988.

*****

etc.

There is much truth to your statement, Robert. Yes, the pliot chute find was distributed widely at the time in the media, and I remember seeing a YouTube clip about it a couple of years ago. Funny, I never connected it when Galen was telling me his story, as I recalled the video characterizing the find as an inconsequential piece of parachute fabric. Galen's analysis casts the find in a wholly new light, in my judgement. Hence, the Oh Wow! quality of my writing, which I gather you are enjoying more and more!!!

Perhaps you might say that the most newsworthy bit of my piece is that Galen never knew about the pilot chute until he read about it in Tosaw's note books 20-plus years later and received Georger's newspaper clip.

I find it a hoot that Galen worked with Tosaw for years and was kept so much in the dark. Proves that not all DB Cooper crazies live solely on the DZ, eh?


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georger

Nov 20, 2012, 8:18 PM
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In reply to:
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. 'Monumentous' my eye. Don't you use Google? I read your article. That find was all over the newspapers in 1988.

*****

etc.

There is much truth to your statement, Robert. Yes, the pliot chute find was distributed widely at the time in the media, and I remember seeing a YouTube clip about it a couple of years ago. Funny, I never connected it when Galen was telling me his story, as I recalled the video characterizing the find as an inconsequential piece of parachute fabric. Galen's analysis casts the find in a wholly new light, in my judgement. Hence, the Oh Wow! quality of my writing, which I gather you are enjoying more and more!!!

Perhaps you might say that the most newsworthy bit of my piece is that Galen never knew about the pilot chute until he read about it in Tosaw's note books 20-plus years later and received Georger's newspaper clip.

I find it a hoot that Galen worked with Tosaw for years and was kept so much in the dark. Proves that not all DB Cooper crazies live solely on the DZ, eh?

Is there some confusion going on?

There have been several discoveries of "fabric"
pulled from the Columbia and presented at various
times. At least three. Two of these alleged to be
part of Cooper chute and I think prior to 1980.
Then the 'pilot chute' found in 88, a separate find.

I will pull the articles on the other finds and post
them...

Then there was another incident: a young boy who
told his father he had seen 'cloth hanging from a
tree' in the Shillapoo area? The father reported this
to authorities but no one could ever find the tree
again ? There was an article about that ...


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Robert99

Nov 20, 2012, 8:41 PM
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YOU guys told me NO way I was talking to a truck driver going East on Suicide Strip to VA. Bch.

Jo, If you go EAST from Virginia Beach, VA, you are going to be in the Atlantic Ocean really fast. The Ocean is the ONLY thing east of Virgina Beach until you get to Europe or maybe the Azores.

Robert99

NOT from but to VA Bch . . .

Perhaps you were just needling me because I made a mistake, but I corrected it.

I have to keep ALL of this crap and the memories in my head. I make mistakes and it was TO and not from.

Jo, No problem. You corrected your posts above and you ALSO corrected my quotation of that remark at the top of this post.

You corrected the post real fast. And you were just complaining about how bad your health is today.

Robert99


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Nov 20, 2012, 8:45 PM
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My other choice was a Ten-Tec TT-920, which is a name a HAM would recognize as the Rolls Royce of Radio gear.

Ahem... Georger is from Iowa where a guy named Art (not John) Collins made some mighty nice ham gear. He also made the ARC 58 or ARC 102 HF SSB radio that you used in your eight engined hell wagon. Ten Tec is revered but Collins is worshipped.

Those Bendix-King av band "Horsey Talkies" are awesome Farf. I've used em.

So many radio savvy folks on this forum. Why?

377


(This post was edited by 377 on Nov 20, 2012, 8:59 PM)


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Nov 20, 2012, 9:09 PM
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I know the plane to car communication happened...I know the Caddy was set up that way.

You are wrong Jo and you are so stubborn. When you are so very sure about something that is wrong, it makes folks seriously doubt the accuracy of your other recollections.

You are claiming that Duane had a radio in the Caddy that could communicate with other CBers and also communicate with aircraft. That's just not feasible Jo. It's not something that a "CB man" could make or modify. It's akin to saying Duane made ice cubes in your toaster oven.

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(This post was edited by 377 on Nov 20, 2012, 9:11 PM)


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Nov 20, 2012, 9:26 PM
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Re: [BruceSmith] More commentary from Galen; re: Tina's BAr [In reply to] Can't Post

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I've spent considerable time, probably between 100 and 150 hours at T-Bar, both on the shoreline and in boats between the wingdam of Caterpillar Island and the northern reaches of Tina's Bar. Tosaw and I were on his chartered expedition in 05' and again in 08'. In 05' Tosaw used a dive barge, crew of three hardhat divers, underwater camera, and some sounding devices. It was a pretty elaborate operation. Tosaw died in 09' after considerable illness.

Wow. Tosaw spent some really serious money on his Cooper dive ops. THREE hard hat divers? Your average Joe Scuba doesn't have hard hat gear. Pro divers do and they don't come cheap.

I hadn't realized Galen was so close to Tosaw. Maybe it was a law brotherhood thing, like a shark bond.

BTW Bruce, it NOT a pilot chute, 100% certain. It's most likely a flare chute.

You'd assume Tosaw had access to all the FBI evidence. Was there something in it that made him so sure Cooper splashed? A river landing was pretty unlikely if you look at the odds.

377


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Nov 20, 2012, 9:52 PM
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Bruce passed this on from Galen
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I've spent considerable time, probably between 100 and 150 hours at T-Bar, both on the shoreline and in boats between the wingdam of Caterpillar Island and the northern reaches of Tina's Bar. Tosaw and I were on his chartered expedition in 05' and again in 08'. In 05' Tosaw used a dive barge, crew of three hardhat divers, underwater camera, and some sounding devices. It was a pretty elaborate operation. Tosaw died in 09' after considerable illness.

Wow. Tosaw spent some really serious money on his Cooper dive ops. THREE hard hat divers? Your average Joe Scuba doesn't have hard hat gear. Pro divers do and they don't come cheap.

I hadn't realized Galen was so close to Tosaw. Maybe it was a law brotherhood thing, like a shark bond.

BTW Bruce, it NOT a pilot chute, 100% certain. It's most likely a flare chute.

You'd assume Tosaw had access to all the FBI evidence. Was there something in it that made him so sure Cooper splashed? A river landing was pretty unlikely if you look at the odds.

377

Poor suckersCrazy.. diving in the Columbia.. is diving by BRAILE.... did that trying to salvage a boat that hit a submerged piling...visibility SUCKED .. not fun.. not fun at all.


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