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Farflung

Nov 19, 2012, 6:50 PM
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You might as well not get the concept too, RobertMBlevins.

Just because I TALK about something does not mean I believe in it or support it (slavery, UFOs, NAZIs). DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

DF or not, first of all, you published a pile of pure bullshit about it being too difficult to use. Pure crap and typical of everything you say. Total junk and you knew it was guano when you typed it, you knew it was garbage when you reviewed it, and you knew it was more deception when you hit the post comment button. No accidents, mistakes, or miscommunications, you made all that sorry tripe up about something you were convinced that no one would know about, let alone be intimate with the subject. If you tell the truth, you don’t have to fret and worry about covering your tracks constantly.

Why are you so terrified of the very suggestion of something, which resides in the land of probability? Did Cooper live? Could have. Did Cooper die? Could have. Gosh, I’m so conflicted, I should just consult my Ouija Board and see if it leads me to my pre-selected, although publically denied, solution.

So you lie about DF systems because you don’t think Cooper used them. Gee, thanks for the adult supervision, Mr. ‘Knows A Woman Who Was The First To Drive Four Horses Abreast AND Ran In The Iditarod’ guy. Your common sense managed to avoid case studies again where you are proven wrong, yet again.

Heady took off with the stairs closed and landed less than 17 miles from the airport. So much for your brilliant theory about having the stairs down for takeoff. McCoy flew from San Francisco to Utah, then managed to land within 10 miles of his house. Not bad for someone with nothing more than a watch, in a plane doing 3 miles a minute. How did he do that one? (insert long cricket chirps)

Where’s the common sense that would research the publication dates of a Dan Cooper comic, before declaring how ‘his’ suspect saw Dan Cooper comics in Shemya?

If it turns out to be unfeasible or impossible to use any RF devices, THEN SOME RESEARCH will support that assumption. RobertMBlevins repeating things to the point where one has such a primal reaction, that they puke until there is chunks of Mastodon meat in the bile, is not using common sense.

Why not publish your data that shows the propagation footprint of a LF beacon, or a VHF one for that matter. Hell, go up to the India band or Ka and Ku for all I care. What sort of antenna gain would you need? Would you use a parabolic system or a semi-truncated, rotating array? I certainly wouldn’t rule out gain differential techniques or interferometric for their obvious advantages. How would you handle noise reduction? Signal attenuation or channelized receivers are simple forms of filtration. Oh well, we will never be graced with those parameters because this isn’t common sense.

Now common sense is having some goober sitting in an Airstream, at some property with a phone but no building. Sure it’s almost 100 miles away from Battle Ground, but that doesn’t matter because this is better than the ‘common sense’ solution with Paradise Point Park. See he calls Bernie, but here’s the brilliant part….. he cups his hand over his mouth and talks in a whisper. See, because that way the cops can’t hear him telling Bernie how he got away with it and he needs a ride to the Airstream, where there will be no buttseks.


BruceSmith

Nov 19, 2012, 7:34 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/


smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 7:51 PM
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Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I'll have to peruse the transcripts again for true numbers but don't they take off about 730ish, and some think - based on Hancock and Mucklow accounts if I remember correctly - that he supposedly has the gear on and -- the money tied before Mucklowe is in the cockpit and before the aft stair light comes on / door is down.
So Aft stair light on/door is down within 5 - 10 mins after takeoff ------ But they don't get the oscillation until around 8:12.
I don't think any of us can really know what his plan was and I'm not saying that his aim was not to make a quick dive --- - but for someone that's in a hurry to get out of there, that's approx 30 mins that he's back there twiddling his thumbs.


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 7:54 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. 'Monumentous' my eye. Don't you use Google? I read your article. That find was all over the newspapers in 1988. Cook is coming off like it is a brand new discovery. Found the attached at the Lodi News Sentinel, and it's in the Deseret News and a TON of other papers.

In my humble opinion when you deal with Cook you need to start cutting through the BS and the unneeded mystery with him. And there is a glaring discrepency in Cook's version. The news articles call it a 'patch,' not a pilot chute. Tosaw says he thinks it 'came from a pilot chute'. Okay, so where are whatever serves as lines on this 'patch'? The piece is mysteriously absent and Cook can't even get a look at it, or a picture? Or a description over the phone from the Tosaw family?

Cossey said it didn't match anything he packed, although I wouldn't necessarily depend on his word alone. 'Pilot chute'. Who says so?

Google Link to larger size version of the Lodi article. Snapshot attached below.


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mrshutter45

Nov 19, 2012, 8:08 PM
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Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I'll have to peruse the transcripts again for true numbers but don't they take off about 730ish, and some think - based on Hancock and Mucklow accounts if I remember correctly - that he supposedly has the gear on and -- the money tied before Mucklowe is in the cockpit and before the aft stair light comes on / door is down.
So Aft stair light on/door is down within 5 - 10 mins after takeoff ------ But they don't get the oscillation until around 8:12.
I don't think any of us can really know what his plan was and I'm not saying that his aim was not to make a quick dive --- - but for someone that's in a hurry to get out of there, that's approx 30 mins that he's back there twiddling his thumbs.

the magic number we have found that works so far is 7:36:33 for take off and to date I have only went as far as Toledo/Maylay area until further testing with weather is complete Cool


smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 8:14 PM
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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/...st-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. I read the article. That find was all over the newspapers. Cook is coming off like it is a brand new discovery. Found the attached at the Lodi News Sentinel, and it's in the Deseret News and a TON of other papers.

I like you a lot, Bruce. You have gotten better, I think, on your technique. But in my humble opinion when you deal with Cook you need to start cutting through the BS and the unneeded mystery with him.

LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings.


I will definitely look forward to hearing more about it, though, with you. For one thing, the Pilot chute Is described as being 18 inches in the article, but 24 - 36 in Bruce's article. Perhaps they are talking about two different finds?? I guess we'll have to wait til more info comes out.


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 8:22 PM
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Smokin99 quotes/says in part:

'LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

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"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings...'

That information wasn't 'lost in 40 years of investigatory dust'. I found four direct references to it and dozens more available in many western newspapers and some east-coast papers. Lodi is in California, and so is San Jose. Salt Lake City is where a lot of Mormons hang out. Article appears in all of those and more. Those are not 'local media'. This story definitely hit the wire.

I don't have 'venom' toward Cook. I just have a short fuse for someone who tries to re-invent a known story, and then engage in puffery to make it sound as if HE made a big discovery out of it. My opinion is that Cook decided to use that story to bolster his claim about shards being found the month before Brian Ingram did. There is no proof of that, either. But it might be easier to sell if you try and combine it with Tosaw's old patch find. Crazy

I found those articles in less than 30 seconds on my first Google search.


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mrshutter45

Nov 19, 2012, 8:25 PM
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no shutter did not "quote" anything, read the thread properly!!!


RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 8:37 PM
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no shutter did not "quote" anything, read the thread properly!!!

What? Are you sure?Smile

Oh. Fixed.


smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 8:49 PM
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In reply to:
shutter quotes/says in part:

'LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

Quote:
"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings...'

That information wasn't 'lost in 40 years of investigatory dust'. I found four direct references to it and dozens more available in many western newspapers and some east-coast papers. Lodi is in California, and so is San Jose. Salt Lake City is where a lot of Mormons hang out. Article appears in all of those and more. Those are not 'local media'. This story definitely hit the wire.

I don't have 'venom' toward Cook. I just have a short fuse for someone who tries to re-invent a known story, and then engage in puffery to make it sound as if HE made a big discovery out of it.

I found those articles in less than 30 seconds on my first Google search.

First of all, Mr Shutter didn't make that statement, I did.
Second -- anyone that knows about Cooper or has done more than a little bit of reading about the case is aware of that "pilot Chute". How old were those articles? I believe that is the reference made to 40 years of Investigatory dust.
Third - I'm calling bullshit on you not having venom toward Cook AND condescension to BSmith. It reeks as much from your posts about him as anything directed by others toward you. Cook has done no different than you in that you guys take some facts, some loose coincidental information and then try to make a story out of it. Good for him, good for you, but seriously you, of all people, have no grounds to call someone on taking liberty with the facts.
And finally, "Engage in Puffery" Really? Ye gads I've heard it all now.
Your condescending attitude or the perception of it towards Smith's writing is confusing to say the least. I'm not going to be downright ugly so you will have to read between the lines on that one.

I'm willing to wait on the rest of the info - just like I did with KC.


377  (F 666)

Nov 19, 2012, 9:02 PM
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Farflung wrote (about Blevins)
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Why not publish your data that shows the propagation footprint of a LF beacon, or a VHF one for that matter. Hell, go up to the India band or Ka and Ku for all I care. What sort of antenna gain would you need? Would you use a parabolic system or a semi-truncated, rotating array? I certainly wouldn’t rule out gain differential techniques or interferometric for their obvious advantages. How would you handle noise reduction? Signal attenuation or channelized receivers are simple forms of filtration. Oh well, we will never be graced with those parameters because this isn’t common sense.

That is seriously impressive EE RF talk. I thought you were a bomber driver. This sounds like EWO speak. All that ECM EW lingo. We're you at the front of the BUFF or in the bowels spinning knobs?

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RobertMBlevins

Nov 19, 2012, 10:08 PM
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Smokin99 says in part:

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'Cook has done no different than you in that you guys take some facts, some loose coincidental information and then try to make a story out of it. Good for him, good for you, but seriously you, of all people, have no grounds to call someone on taking liberty with the facts.

And finally, "Engage in Puffery" Really? Ye gads I've heard it all now. Your condescending attitude or the perception of it towards Smith's writing is confusing to say the least. I'm not going to be downright ugly so you will have to read between the lines on that one.

I'm willing to wait on the rest of the info - just like I did with KC...'

Fair enough. Although I do try to present reasonable evidence occasionally.

Consider this: When I make a mistake, people point it out to me so many times it becomes redundant. I can understand that, and I can 'take it'.

However...fair is fair. And what is good for the goose is good for the gander. This means I should not be the only one pointing out the deceptions and flaws in Cook's story.

Do you know what would happen to me if I posted up (without naming names or giving details) that some boys found shards a month before Brian did (corners only, no serial numbers sorry)...and offered ZERO evidence? And then tried to connect this to an old article by using deceptive information to promote it?

Ha. You think Farflung and Georger are hard on me now?

They would have a field day with this one. I don't blame the content of that article on Bruce Smith. He simply reports what Galen Cook tells him.

And I'm saying that Cook misrepresented the information in his statements for the article. I believe he dipped into that 'patch' story in an effort to support his OTHER allegation about the 'corner-only money shards'. Then he dressed up the patch story to make the whole package look better.

I'm not necesarily the arrogant type. I'm a pretty laid-back guy, generally. This article, these claims, have nothing to do with whether or not Ken Christiansen was the skyjacker. This goes to credibility. And if Mr Cook misrepresents the information about Tosaw's nylon, and tries to pass off this 'long-buried discovery' as something new, then you have to ask what would motivate him to do that. I believe his motivation is simple. He's trying to link these stories together, and the whole thing is thinner than a sheet of Saran Wrap. No names, many claims (hired-scientist studies) and more general BS and unnecessary mystery than I can list.

It may sound like I am angry, but I am not. Disappointed in Cook? Yes. When I come to Ariel this year I am doing a video. You want to tell your side, your suspect, your story, hey...I will shoot your stuff as long as the harddrive holds out. But remember it all goes to YouTube later.

See you there. Maybe I will buy you a beer if you're polite. We may disagree on the case, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your viewpoint. Even Cook, yes. Um, BK...maybe not. Unimpressed

Besides, everyone knows I can't say for sure it was KC. If I knew that, I'd be on Letterman next week. Smile Are you kidding me? Wake UP.


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smokin99

Nov 19, 2012, 11:50 PM
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Smokin99 says in part:

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'Cook has done no different than you in that you guys take some facts, some loose coincidental information and then try to make a story out of it. Good for him, good for you, but seriously you, of all people, have no grounds to call someone on taking liberty with the facts.

And finally, "Engage in Puffery" Really? Ye gads I've heard it all now. Your condescending attitude or the perception of it towards Smith's writing is confusing to say the least. I'm not going to be downright ugly so you will have to read between the lines on that one.

I'm willing to wait on the rest of the info - just like I did with KC...'

Fair enough. But consider this: When I make a mistake, people point it out to me so many times it becomes redundant. I can understand that, and I can 'take it'.

However...fair is fair. And what is good for the goose is good for the gander. This means I should not be the only one pointing out the deceptions and flaws in Cook's story.

Do you know what would happen to me if I posted up (without naming names or giving details) that some boys found shards a month before Brian did (corners only, no serial numbers sorry)...and offered ZERO evidence? And then tried to connect this to an old article by using deceptive information to promote it?

Ha. You think Farflung and Georger are hard on me now?

They would have a field day with this one. I don't blame the content of that article on Bruce Smith. He simply reports what Galen Cook tells him.

And I'm saying that Cook misrepresented the information in his statements for the article. I believe he dipped into that 'patch' story in an effort to support his OTHER allegation about the 'corner-only money shards'. Then he dressed up the patch story to make the whole package look better.

I'm not necesarily the arrogant type. I'm a pretty laid-back guy, generally. This article, these claims, have nothing to do with whether or not Ken Christiansen was the skyjacker. This goes to credibility. And if Mr Cook misrepresents the information about Tosaw's nylon, and tries to pass off this 'long-buried discovery' as something new, then you have to ask what would motivate him to do that. I believe his motivation is simple. He's trying to link these stories together, and the whole thing is thinner than a sheet of Saran Wrap. No names, many claims (hired-scientist studies) and more general BS and unnecessary mystery than I can list.

It may sound like I am angry, but I am not. Disappointed in Cook? Yes. When I come to Ariel this year I am doing a video. You want to tell your side, your suspect, your story, hey...I will shoot your stuff as long as the harddrive holds out. But remember it all goes to YouTube later.

See you there. Maybe I will buy you a beer if you're polite. We may disagree on the case, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your viewpoint. Even Cook, yes. Um, BK...maybe not. Unimpressed

Besides, everyone knows I can't say for sure it was KC. If I knew that, I'd be on Letterman next week. Smile

I don't know why I bothered. Suffice to say that none of you can prove anything, you are all writing what you hear others say - which might or might not be true - and frankly, on some levels, Cook's stories are as believable as yours.

Face it - the guys can't profit in any way from this, according to Cook, they could care less, don't want to be in the public - so what motivation is there for deception or fraud?
I don't necessarily think that people "lie", but the further away from an actual event you are, the less likely what you "remember" will match up with the actual event. That goes for everyone.

That's why when I read in the transcript that the people who are in the plane with him - at the moment they are in the plane with him - are saying he is 6'1 inches - then I'm gonna give that a little more credence than some internet blogger trying to figure out a way to make everyone believe he was really 5'8.

Cook's story is not going to be enhanced either way since he can't prove anything he writes about. As with your story - until you/he/they come across with some DNA, a chute, a body, or a twenty you are all just whistling in the wind with circumstantial speculation.
Every writer of every book about DB Cooper takes "artistic License" - every last one of you. And you all cherry pick your data. God forbid another rational explanation might be more logical.

Listen, When Cook's book comes out I'm quite sure we will pick it apart as per standard m.o. Whether he knows it or not, Cook also has some loose ends out there that he will need to tie up - but apparently he's still out there trying to dig up some evidence (pardon the pun).

As to which of you makes it to Letterman, well....
I personally have begun to doubt that any of the known "suspects" are/were, in fact, DB Cooper. Who knows, maybe time will tell.

And with all due respect, I'm sure you are just a peach of a fellow in real life, but you've got quite a bit of the arrogant puff adder hubris thing going on in your internet persona...and it's not flattering, nor does it help your cause. I don't think people dislike you so much as the way you come across. Oh well...it is what it is..... When I get tired I'll just put your posts in the skip over list. Sometimes I put mine in there as well...And I'll gladly let you buy me a drink, but only if you're polite. Carry on. Smile


skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 12:02 AM
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Any feeding frenzy is premature. The whole story
could be true. I simply raised questions which need
to be answered. The answers may come. Or may
not. Galen has been working on this for months.
Only the announcement is new. Im simply asking
questions, not even the hard questions (yet), not
passing judgement out of the box, like you.

There is virtually nothing to agree or disagree about
yet.

I have read all of the posts but just in too much pain to post much lately.

I do want to state that I have NO VENOM for Galen. I just do NOT agree with some of the "stuff" he comes up with. Why? Because all of you know if you read Sluggo's site and if you were to read the exchange of information Galen I have shared over the yrs. you might understand.

When he pulled his little "stunt" with Tina - I felt he had gone OVER-BOARD and let him know how I felt. The fact he shared some of the knowledge he gained from me and then made it basically public regarding Tina's location - I highly disapproved of...I felt I had led the Devil to Tina's santuary.

Because of that I have NOT spoke to him in a long time. Yes, Galen and I used to share a some ideas and communicated by email. I do NOT run my mouth ALL of the time about everything I know.

I was supposed to meet with Galen in 2010, but my schedule was too tight on that trip and every moment counted. I lost 2 days due to illness and only able to search 5 hours per day. I fondly refer to Galen as
"Glacier Boy". It is just some of his tactics and the fact I think he goes too far sometimes.
He is aware of this - we are NOT enemies.

You can like someone, but not agree with them all of the time.
Over the yrs - Galen has had several suspects - some which none of you will ever know about.

He like myself is unrelentless in the "Chase", but I am afraid he takes somethings just a little too far. There is NO Venom between us. He doesn't share things with me because of the "thing" regarding Tina. He also knows I do NOT like some of the tactic he uses....I have even referred to him as "Sneaky Snake in the Grass". He is aware of this.

He can say the same things about me and I am sure he has NO venom for me. At this time I have little to offer to the current conversations. The little chute story was around, but it didn't mean anything. It was part of the research others helped me do. I have an actual copy of the article.

It does appear Galen is casting his bait with a hook to show how the money got into the river, but it just will not wash. As for finding REAL testimonies about seeing the plane with the aft stairs down - I think he let a woman "use" him. She may have saw some kind of flash and heard the plane - but that is ALL.

She did NOT live in the area he keeps tooting - she lived toward the East part of Vancouver. NOTE they have NOT given her exact address just a vague indication of where she lived which covered a broad area - was she east or west in that area? Note Galen never gave her exact address.

He likes to stay vague about these things....but he sure was VOCAL about Gossett and you know where that got him. He does use a lot of hinges to any story or theory others come up with....part of the "Sneaky Snake" thing.

Galen and I are probably the two people who have spent more time in this search than all of the others put together.


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georger

Nov 20, 2012, 12:21 AM
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I found those articles in less than 30 seconds on my first Google search.
You found them after Bruce posted about the find -

Here is the Spokane Chronicle version of the story.
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georger

Nov 20, 2012, 12:33 AM
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And I'm saying that Cook misrepresented the information in his statements for the article. I believe he dipped into that 'patch' story in an effort to support his OTHER allegation about the 'corner-only money shards'. Then he dressed up the patch story to make the whole package look better.

In reply to:

Blevins you are FOS.

Your socalled "PATCH" story is just one of a number
of articles published at the time and the only one I
can find that mentions PATCH, is the one you
presented -

This fits your bias.

If you want to blame someone blame me. I am the
one who brought this to Galen's attention. Galen
didnt even know about it.

The small chute was identified by Earl Cossey as a
possible flare chute - not by Cook or Tosaw! Cook
wasnt even on that expedition. Tosaw wasnt even
present when it was found by Rainey. Ive talked to
Rainey. (part of my "scores of interviews".) Ive
talked to another person who was involved and a kid
at the time learning diving and salvage ... happens
to own a small dive shop today.

My only disagreement with Galen about this is I was
told the FBI wound up with the chute, in their
evidence file, not Tosaw or Tosaw's family. The FBI
definately got to see it . . . up close and personal.

There are other aspects of this story Galen isnt
telling (yet). I he doesn't then at length I may.

Like Farf says: we are just discussing things. Trying
to review history and sort through things. We dont
need a minute-by-minute review and rebuke from
you. Thank you very much...

Look at the photo of the thing, See the strings at
each corner? You say it had no strings wherever you
got or invented that! How would you know? Look at
the photo. See the strings? Care to revise your
statements/propoganda?


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skyjack71

Nov 20, 2012, 12:38 AM
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That was a very fair post you made. I am just too tired to carry-on much longer, but I do want to add one thing about all of the recent posts regarding Cooper having some kind of communication device or homing device.

I feel he did because of the things Duane told me and showed me in Wa.

His knowledge of small plane communications was VAST and since he pointed out a lot of small airports - he evidently flew in and out of them. 2 of these were very specific.

He knew how to make a car CD communicate with small aircraft.
He was very aware and had connections in air traffic control in the Atlanta area.

He pointed to me a spot - saying he knew someone who left a car there. This was just off of Hwy 500 on the north side not far from Green mountian and strip that was used for small plane and jumpers just north of Green Mountain.

Because JT refused to acknowledge Greene Mountain for these last 17 yrs - that is a surmounting puzzle to me. Had I not have made that trip in 2010 I would not have found it. Strange as someone stated that Bruce who was with me at that time has never commented about it. Not to one soul in the thread or privately although I am sure he and Cook may have talked about it.

What any of this means I don't know - but, putting together the things Duane talked about on that trip and the things he stated during the yrs of our marriage I am sure he used that knowledge to at least know about when to jump or to find his way after he hit the ground. I asked Mr. H if a car was ever reported abandoned there - but, he never gave me an anwer. He was out of Portland and NOT privey to everything going on in WA.

Good Night! Had a long day with an MRI today and they gave me a disk before I left. I have spent most of the night trying to compare that with other tests. Don't like what I see, but I won't have the report till Wednesday.

Hopefully it will be okay as other tests have been. I didn't like what I thought I was seeing on the disk tonight, but I am not a radiologist. My fear is based on HOW badly I have been feeling - lots of pain and so much fatique.

P.S. I don't cherry pick any information. As most of you know my story has been consitent and straight forward as it comes into the conversation. I do not strive to hide anything, because I don't know much about flight or communications.

Others hold Duane's record against the posiblity he actually pulled this off, but is is why I believe he actually did it. NO WAY he knew so much about the area and claiming he was Cooper not to have been...or and I add this - Cooper didn't make it and somewhere in WA there is a grave with 2 bodies in it. I base that on 2 things he said.

1. Maybe I was the on on the ground. (to change the direction the trip was going in or Cooper died and he buried him.)
2 The 2 grave yards puzzle me as does signal mountain (Green Mountain).

OKAY, I really have to go to bed.
Good night.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 20, 2012, 2:04 AM)


377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 2:46 AM
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Jo wrote
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He [Duane] knew how to make a car CD communicate with small aircraft.

Jo,

That's impossible unless the plane also had a CB radio, which is highly unlikely.

What exactly did you witness in this alleged car to plane communication?

377


377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 2:54 AM
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The little chute (seen in article photo) is DEFINITELY not a bailout rig pilot chute. It's almost certainly a flare chute. The other possibility is a radiosonde chute used to recover weather balloon payloads, but it's a bit too small for this type.

377


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377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 3:21 AM
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Jo wrote
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P.S. I don't cherry pick any information

That might be true...

But what you do is speculate without supporting evidence. The speculation always supports a benevolent view of Diane and often connects him with parachuting and Norjack.

Fact: Duane spent a lot of time in prison.

Speculation: Duane was protecting young inmates from being raped. He also was associated with a prisoner smoke jumper program at Folsom Prison.

Fact: Duane stole purses, wallets etc.

Speculation: Duane left enough money for the victims to get by for a day.

Fact: Duane knew an airplane mechanic.

Speculation: The airplane mechanic was involved in parachuting activities.

Fact: Duane was familiar with geography in the area in which Cooper allegedly landed.

Speculation: Duane was either Cooper or the "man on the ground".

Fact: Duane had unexplained large amounts of cash.

Speculation: Duane was Cooper.

Fact: Duane had some odd hardware items which you sold at a garage sale.

Speculation: The items were from a parachute rig.

Fact: Duane hid some items in a van headliner.

Speculation: Items not disclosed or returned to you were related to Norjack.

Fact: Duane claimed familiarity with paraglider controls.

Speculation: Duane was a parachutist.

Fact: Duane knew a person called "Paperlegs".

Speculation: Paperlegs was associated with smoke jumping.

Fact: Duane had a prison sentence commuted.

Speculation: Duane was getting paid back for something he did for the govt.

Fact: Duane told you he was "Dan Coooooper".

Speculation: Duane was telling the truth and referring to DBC.

Fact: Duane prevented you from watching a TV show about Norjack.

Speculation: Duane was DBC.

Need I continue?

The "facts" above assume your accounts of what you saw and heard are accurate and truthful

I don't think you are a liar Jo, but I do think you are obsessed and biased and that it hugely influences the conclusions you draw from ambiguous evidence.

I know I am echoing the thoughts of most folks here when I say I hope your MRI is clean and that you recover from whatever illness you have.

377


377  (F 666)

Nov 20, 2012, 3:26 AM
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NO WAY he knew so much about the area and claiming he was Cooper not to have been

Sigh...

377


mrshutter45

Nov 20, 2012, 4:17 AM
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Jo wrote
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NO WAY he knew so much about the area and claiming he was Cooper not to have been

Sigh...

377

Fact: Duane threw a paper bag into the Columbia
Speculation: Jo would be the first to explain how the money got onto Tena Bar.

Jo says: Duane was protecting young inmates from being raped.
that statement alone is not true, there are no hero's in prison it's each man for himself, if
you are weak they will find this out FAST and you will have to pay for protection!
sounds to me like another story from Duane Weber.

Duane seems to have knowledge about everything......except getting caught doing a crime!


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RobertMBlevins

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I call them like I see them, and in the case of Cook's latest efforts at a big 'revelation,' I am not buying it.

Georger says:

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'Your socalled "PATCH" story is just one of a number of articles published at the time and the only one I can find that mentions PATCH, is the one you presented.

This fits your bias.

If you want to blame someone blame me. I am the one who brought this to Galen's attention. Galen didnt even know about it...'

And yet...look who made up a BS story about it, trying to foist off some lame 'under 40 years of investigative dust' claim and link it to another BS story about shards being found the month before Brian Ingram in the same area? (Corners only, of course) That story smells worse than a month-dead salmon.

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'The small chute was identified by Earl Cossey as a
possible flare chute - not by Cook or Tosaw! Cook
wasnt even on that expedition. Tosaw wasnt even
present when it was found by Rainey. Ive talked to
Rainey...'

Another stretch of the truth by Cook, in an effort to promote a smoke-and-mirror story. If you knew Cossey had ID'd the nylon as a possible flare chute, this was conveniently neglected by Cook. Finding a flare chute in a river is a lot easier to explain than a pilot chute. And even I know there is a substantial difference between the two. What Cook tried to do, without any real substantiation, is to force a piece of nylon into a piece of Cooper when (according to you, since you dropped this little jewel on him) he should have known better.

It's plain as day WHY Cook tried this. He is trying to support one completely BS story by slightly twisting the facts on another. He knew no one was buying the shards story without proof. ANYONE could say today they found something at Tina Bar. The place has been part of Cooper lore for more than three decades. Discussing this further isn't even worth it.

Do you and Farflung cherry-pick on who you call BS on, or do you have a list of folks who you tacitly accept, no matter what crap they try to foist off on you? If I tried pushing off these stories on this forum, and did it in the phony-baloney way Cook did, well...let's just say it would be an ugly thing indeed.


Farflung

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RobertMBlevins obliviously directs attention, once again, on his conduct with:

Do you and Farflung cherry-pick on who you call BS on, or do you have a list of folks who you tacitly accept, no matter what crap they try to foist off on you?”


First RobertMBlevins needs to compare apples to apples. Georger and smokin99 already revealed how they were painfully aware of the Tosaw artifact and even exposed that it wasn’t part of Cooper’s gear. Same for the Amboy chute which was not part of Cooper’s equipment and everyone accepted the FBI’s analysis as credible. That is except for one lone person who brings it up over and over and over. I hope the FBI gives you the thing RobertMBlevins, then you can start a new life around what most would pay to have removed from their property. You are guilty of doing exactly what Cook has done, except you blow your top after it is mentioned….. once…. and for the first time. You go on to insult me and georger by insinuating that we have tacitly accepted something via your mighty powers of mind reading. You fail at this endeavor as it relates to me, but perhaps you have correctly read georger’s mind, in spite of him relaying his knowledge on the subject. So far the butthurt appears to be entirely self inflicted, via a tantrum of self pity. So let’s proceed.

You infer that somehow you have BS called upon you, with a rapier swift speed and weight of the world magnitude, regarding your own inaccuracies, fallacies and fabrications. Has that truly been the case?

When you were informed that Captain Scott never left the cockpit, YOU flew into a rage and threatened law suits and cried copyright violations in spite of the fact that YOU published Captain Scott talked to Cooper, while everyone else knew that was false. Did you thank Sluggo or Guru for the correction and how to use the internet properly? Not that I can see. You kept attacking and attacking, all the while missing the point that YOU published incorrect information and those people were trying to help you. Nice.

Don’t forget the Paradise Point State Park story and how you agreed fully with the theory. How many different ways did I try to communicate to you that the Columbia River flows the other way? Three, six or more? You would have to be pretty dense not to pick up on hints like “you may want to review that water flow” or “water flows downhill” or “the Columbia empties into the Pacific” as ways for you to preserve some dignity before you were mercilessly hammered for doing nothing more than encouraging children how to read by giving away books…..for free. I guess you don’t teach them how to avoid being redundant or repetitious.

Hey remember the First Woman to drive four Clydesdales abreast? Did YOU get hammered for that the first time you brought it up? Or was it many more times and a couple of use decided to put an end to that shit? The first time you said it I knew it was pure bullshit and it came from a pure bullshitter. The first time and I didn’t say a word. The fifth time and I didn’t say a word. So who is ‘Cherry Picking’ here?

How about the wife of the Boulder cop? Nothing said the first 27 times you felt the need to publish that garbage. That’s right, after twenty seven repeats (27), I grew weary of that chant and generously did a census of the violation and equally generously informed you of this conduct. Would you like to make it fifty times? One hundred? What would be the proper number to hammer you on bullshit? You don’t deny that you make crap up, the offense is that you aren’t allowed as much time to lie about things as others. Well thanks for that clarification. At least you have the good graces to admit what you have been doing all along.


Robert99

Nov 20, 2012, 11:39 AM
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The little chute (seen in article photo) is DEFINITELY not a bailout rig pilot chute. It's almost certainly a flare chute. The other possibility is a radiosonde chute used to recover weather balloon payloads, but it's a bit too small for this type.

377

377 is undoubtedly right about this being a flare chute. And an excellent place for this chute to start its journey to the Tena Bar area is the Yakima Firing Center east of Yakima, WA.

The Yakima Firing Center is bounded on the west by the Yakima River, which later joins the Columbia River, and on the east by the Columbia River itself.

These artillery flares included the flare itself and a small parachute, with both having to fit inside a 105mm howitzer shell along with the "nose cone" and protective means to separate them from the powder bags.

That chute may have started its journey downstream even before the Cooper hijacking.

Robert99


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