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BobKnoss

Nov 18, 2012, 3:47 PM
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In reply to:
"Obviously you do not have the records nor access to them. Go back and read my postings. I requested them and I am the only next of kin - but a no GO. "

a background check is a very simple task, this will give you every single arrest made, as for the prints you keep saying they have the wrong ones? what would make the difference in your belief? you will only respond by stating Cooper was print phobic?

you offered $100 for something to do with Marla and then turn around and state you don't have the money to check on the employment records of Duane's brother?

you seem to always put some sort of clause in everything you say, go to the Public Library and use there computer since you can only afford dial up? take the $100 you offered on Marla and get a full background check on Duane or his brother? 17 years and you have not done anything really? you argue with us being wrong, you argue and complain about the FBI being wrong, how about Jo being wrong?

it seems that when you are confronted and things don't match up you get the "Knoss virus" it doesn't paint a pretty picture Jo!

Jo is RIGHT and you are wrong. The FBI is fibbing and YOU push the phony buttons. Pile up all your phony evidence and lose it like the real evidence. Investigate some more stupid Wild Goose Chase theories like micro-photographic analysis of cut parachute chords. Jo knows damned good and well what happened and YOU can't change facts. Check the REAL FBI/Pentegon files on this case. What a JOKE!!


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Nov 18, 2012, 4:25 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
"Obviously you do not have the records nor access to them. Go back and read my postings. I requested them and I am the only next of kin - but a no GO. "

a background check is a very simple task, this will give you every single arrest made, as for the prints you keep saying they have the wrong ones? what would make the difference in your belief? you will only respond by stating Cooper was print phobic?

you offered $100 for something to do with Marla and then turn around and state you don't have the money to check on the employment records of Duane's brother?

you seem to always put some sort of clause in everything you say, go to the Public Library and use there computer since you can only afford dial up? take the $100 you offered on Marla and get a full background check on Duane or his brother? 17 years and you have not done anything really? you argue with us being wrong, you argue and complain about the FBI being wrong, how about Jo being wrong?

it seems that when you are confronted and things don't match up you get the "Knoss virus" it doesn't paint a pretty picture Jo!

Jo is RIGHT and you are wrong. The FBI is fibbing and YOU push the phony buttons. Pile up all your phony evidence and lose it like the real evidence. Investigate some more stupid Wild Goose Chase theories like micro-photographic analysis of cut parachute chords. Jo knows damned good and well what happened and YOU can't change facts. Check the REAL FBI/Pentegon files on this case. What a JOKE!!

The Pentagon has no involvement in this case (other than the scrambled A/C, and that is just a few logs books entries), the FBI has been forthcoming (as much as they can in an open investigation), it is just that You and others don't like that fact the evidence DOES NOT back up the story. Your fable most of all, as it slanders a good bunch of innocent people.

A Nixon staffer just rebuked your WHOLE President Nixon involvement fable, BTW. A good deal of that staff still lives, is very politically involved, and not to keen on being slandered in such a way. This staffer and his assistant happened to be pretty perturbed, but as they see you have been removed/blocked from all sources and web pages with the exception of this thread, they are considering you "contained", "a harmless threat", "maybe suffering the early signs of a medical condition", and at worse "a delusional old man".

Matt


mrshutter45

Nov 18, 2012, 4:26 PM
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Bob, you have nothing to say about this or anything connected to DB Cooper, zero credibility Bob....period!!

"they are considering you "contained", "a harmless threat", "maybe suffering the early signs of a medical condition", and at worse "a delusional old man". "

Now that is some real facts Bobby! stay away like you have been doing Bob, it might not be a good idea continuing your Fable much longer!


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mrshutter45

Nov 18, 2012, 4:34 PM
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Jo did Duanes brother die in 2001 in West Palm beach?

is this him?
JOHN C WEBER
Birth date: Oct 14, 1911Death date: Jan 31, 2001SSN: 167-14-9714State Issued: PAResidence location: Lake Worth, Florida, 33462Residence county: Palm BeachPayment location: [Unknown], [Unknown], [Unknown]Payment county:

or this
JOHN C WEBER
Birth date: Aug 27, 1922Death date: Sep 5, 2001SSN: 286-16-0573State Issued: OHResidence location: Lakeview, Ohio, 43331Residence county: LoganPayment location: [Unknown], [Unknown], [Unknown]Payment county:


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MeyerLouie

Nov 18, 2012, 4:36 PM
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In reply to:
Georger says in part:

Quote:
'When Tom says “This is business now,” I think he's talking about the integrity and independence of the CS Team and its work product vis-a-vis its mandate with the FBI, and confidentiality, and not some external financial-business plan the team had.

It was Geoff and Crown Publishing with the "Business
plan", right from the start!...'

You should ask Tom Kaye about this. My understanding about the phrase 'This is business now,' refers to the idea that the CS team was considering their own book on the research they did.

I keep wondering why you pick on book writers so much. Like the books on Amelia Earhart, (many and legend) there might be some truth here and there mixed in with the speculation. The only non-fiction crime-type book I ever read that I considered almost completely accurate was All The President's Men. Anyone who is investigating anything, planning to do interviews, or considering a career in journalism should read it. Seriously.

No, you should ask Tom Kaye about this, since you
are the one curious about it@!

Now confess. You have a year's supply of Twinkie's
hidden somewhere? With the rest of your Survivalist
gear and a copy of "Inquisitions for Dummies" ...

Your persistent problem apparently in life, is you
dont know the difference between "book writers"
and "pimps". Or doing research and writing a book
vs. pimping.

I support legitimate book writers. I don;t support
PIMPS!

This distinction is akin to the difference between shit
and gold. Something most people learn very early in
life! Your nose may be out of joint (out of wack). It
could be a permanent condition you and your fellow
&*&%s will have to learn to cope with, or find
another hobby, while devoting renewed energy and
devotion to your primary source of being you
discovered somewhere along the way -
housecleaning.

In your case, we shall not go up and down together.
You need to get over your personal political
delusions.

We are, for all practical purposes, different species.---------------------------------------------------------
Blevins,
I'm tired of getting after you, it's a broken record -- you will never change. Instead, today, rather than criticize you, I am going to put up my "Top 10 List" of questions I have come up with since recently re-reading Skyjack, Norjak, and Blast:

1. How did DBC get to the Portland airport?
Accomplice(s)?
2. Why didn't Geoff Gray write a book that makes it
easier to find things (his subsections are dates,
not descriptive subtitles, thus making it almost
impossible to backtrack and find something that
you had read previously; also, writing non-fiction
like it's a novel is a tough format, another
format may have been better)?
3. Why wasn't Cooper afraid of being recognized?
4. Why did Cooper take the bogus chute?
5. Why is there so much difference in the DBC
ID/descriptions by the eye witnesses (Tina spent
5 hours with him, I think I trust her description
the most -- hey, I thought flight people were
supposed to be trained in this kind of thing).
6. What chance is there that DBC landed in the
water? (If you read Farf's analysis of this, a 1%
of a 1% chance would be very generous).
7. Why didn't DBC bail out south of Portland?
8. Could Cooper have had a homing device on him
so that anyone within 5 miles of where he landed
could determine his location (Fank Heyl's profile)?
9. Was Jake from Walla Walla State Pen being
truthful (he has evidence you know )?
10. And of course, the big one -- How did the money
get to Tena's Bar?

There Blevins, I feel better. Focusing on the case rather focusing on you and your schtick is much better. MeyerLouie

Note: I don't use caps anymore.


Robert99

Nov 18, 2012, 5:31 PM
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THE NEW THREAD "JUMPED A 55 YEAR OLD 26' CONCIAL" [In reply to] Can't Post

Take a look at the above listed new thread that was posted late today on this forum. While the parachute that Cooper presumably used is similiar to this one, Cooper's chute was unmodified and did not have (so far as is known) the vents in the rear of the canopy.

Also, Cooper's chute is reported not to have had the "separable links" connecting the risers to the shroud lines. Instead, his chute is reported to have the shroud lines sewn to the risers.

Be sure to take a look at the pictures as well as read the post.

Robert99


377  (F 666)

Nov 18, 2012, 6:01 PM
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He was an avid photographer and used a camera with a titanium shutter that would leave shard traces of titanium on the clip on tie he wore

I'm not a camera guy, but aren't shutters pretty well protected behind the lens? How would they shed titanium on a tie?

377


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Nov 18, 2012, 6:08 PM
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Quote:
He was an avid photographer and used a camera with a titanium shutter that would leave shard traces of titanium on the clip on tie he wore

I'm not a camera guy, but aren't shutters pretty well protected behind the lens? How would they shed titanium on a tie?

377

Would a camera of the period be able to shed the material during a film unload/reload?

Matt


EVickiW

Nov 18, 2012, 6:16 PM
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D B Cooper was Colonel Hugh Gordon Waite. He was a paratrooper. He spoke French. He was a native of Oregon and is buried in Portland. He was an avid photographer and used a camera with a titanium shutter that would leave shard traces of titanium on the clip on tie he wore. There are pictures at his daughters web site of him wearing that tie. DB Cooper has never been identified because he lived after the crime.

http://www.dropzone.com/...ugh%20waite;#4142654

Pat, you may want to refer back to the previous conversation on this thread (Post #24310). Why bring it up again when it looks like he was with his family skiing in the Alps over the Thanksgiving holiday.


RobertMBlevins

Nov 18, 2012, 6:26 PM
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In reply to:
Georger says in part:

Quote:
'When Tom says “This is business now,” I think he's talking about the integrity and independence of the CS Team and its work product vis-a-vis its mandate with the FBI, and confidentiality, and not some external financial-business plan the team had.

It was Geoff and Crown Publishing with the "Business
plan", right from the start!...'

You should ask Tom Kaye about this. My understanding about the phrase 'This is business now,' refers to the idea that the CS team was considering their own book on the research they did.

I keep wondering why you pick on book writers so much. Like the books on Amelia Earhart, (many and legend) there might be some truth here and there mixed in with the speculation. The only non-fiction crime-type book I ever read that I considered almost completely accurate was All The President's Men. Anyone who is investigating anything, planning to do interviews, or considering a career in journalism should read it. Seriously.

Georger: No, you should ask Tom Kaye about this, since you are the one curious about it@!

Robert replies to this: YOU were the one who brought it up. I couldn't care less. I only heard something about a possible CS team book later.

G: Now confess. You have a year's supply of Twinkie's hidden somewhere? With the rest of your Survivalist gear and a copy of "Inquisitions for Dummies" ...

Robert: Don't eat much sugar. I keep three five gallon containers of freeze-dried food packs I bought via Amazon. Usual medical supplies. I don't believe the world will end on 12-21-2012. Mankind doesn't deserve to get off that easy.

G: Your persistent problem apparently in life, is you dont know the difference between "book writers" and "pimps". Or doing research and writing a book vs. pimping.

I support legitimate book writers. I don;t support
PIMPS!

Robert: Your opinion. I wrote several books BEFORE Cooper, you know. I've edited maybe fifty others. All of the ones I wrote personally still sell to one degree or another, even today. I'd say that makes me more of an artist, less of a pimp. Cooper isn't even the biggest seller for me, either.

G: This distinction is akin to the difference between shit and gold. Something most people learn very early in life! Your nose may be out of joint (out of wack). It could be a permanent condition you and your fellow &*&%s will have to learn to cope with, or find another hobby, while devoting renewed energy and devotion to your primary source of being you
discovered somewhere along the way - housecleaning.

Robert: Before I ditched my regular job and went out on my own, I was the warehouse manager for a major carpet company in Seattle. I organized and assigned dozens of installations a day, and once made a deal for our company that saved them a quarter of a million dollars a year. Before that, I was one of three senior managers for the old Sleep Train warehouse in Auburn and responsible for dozens of employees. I will take my present employment any day of the week.

G: In your case, we shall not go up and down together. You need to get over your personal political delusions.

We are, for all practical purposes, different species.
Robert: Political delusions? That belongs in the realm of Faux News addicts and DC stonewallers. I'm a lifelong registered Dem. Enough said. You also called me a liar about saying you were raised in Washington state, but you didn't respond to Geoff Gray's quote in his book that says you were. If you were...I expect a retraction on the 'liar' tag. If we are different species, the main difference is my single mom made sure I was raised with a few manners. Angelic


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 18, 2012, 6:52 PM
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I hate double-posting, but I guess I should answer MeyerLouie's questions:

'Blevins,
I'm tired of getting after you, it's a broken record -- you will never change. Instead, today, rather than criticize you, I am going to put up my "Top 10 List" of questions I have come up with since recently re-reading Skyjack, Norjak, and Blast:

Robert says: I can't answer for Geoff Gray or Himmelsbach's books.

1. How did DBC get to the Portland airport?
Accomplice(s)?

Robert: Okay...but it's a theory. We (Porteous and yours truly) think Bernie Geestman picked up KC at his apartment in Sumner either in another vehicle or his recently-purchased station wagon, and drove him to Portland. Then we believe (now) that Geestman drove up to his property in Oakville, camped out in his new trailer, and waited for a phone call. There was no house at that time, but only a shop building. We know there was power to the shop, but we can't say for sure there was a phone. I should have asked Margaret Geestman if there was a phone. My bad. Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip up there again and ask her. She has no phone at her ranch in Twisp.

2. Why didn't Geoff Gray write a book that makes it
easier to find things (his subsections are dates,
not descriptive subtitles, thus making it almost
impossible to backtrack and find something that
you had read previously; also, writing non-fiction
like it's a novel is a tough format, another
format may have been better)?

Robert: I agree with most of what you say about the format on Skyjack. What I thought was missing the most was a detailed start-to-finish timeline regarding the hijacking. You know, like: '4:20PM Cooper boards 305...' etc. from there right up to Reno and the search later. (Yes, I know it wasn't 4:20PM)

3. Why wasn't Cooper afraid of being recognized?

Robert: (KC response only) We know KC only flew maybe a couple of times a month. We also know he only did the Orient routes. We also know from NWA that the crews were compartmentalized. We know most people who worked with KC hardly remembered him. We know the hijacker was adamant about not allowing any of the male flight crew to even catch a look at him. Conclusion: Once Cooper boarded, if he was sure the stews did not know him, he (KC) might have decided at that point to go through with his plan. Again, though...it's just a theory. On a side note, if Geestman was the accomplice, we also believe he was the one who talked Kenny into doing it. We base this on what we know about him, and what followed later regarding Geestman, including his appearance on Decoded. If he was involved, he definitely got a piece of the pie. To support this, I point to his ability to build a new home not long after the hijacking on his property in Oakville, his wife's spending on a wooded lot in Bonney Lake, horses, and other items...and the purchase of the ranch in Twisp, WA. Margaret, in her interviews, was pretty dodgy on how they managed these purchases.

4. Why did Cooper take the bogus chute?

Robert: (KC response) Missed it? Hadn't jumped in 25 years? (KC's last jump was in 46-47. As far as we know, he never jumped civilian.

5. Why is there so much difference in the DBC
ID/descriptions by the eye witnesses (Tina spent
5 hours with him, I think I trust her description
the most -- hey, I thought flight people were
supposed to be trained in this kind of thing).

Robert: This is common in eyewitness accounts, that is, for people to see the same person yet give varying descriptions. Robert Gregory was sure the hijacker was no taller than five-nine. (Pg 92, Skyjack.) Others said up to six-one, six-two. What the heck? When they catch perps and then you compare them in person to the sketch that was issued, sometimes those are quite different. I don't know. The sketch is what it is. One thing it isn't is a photograph of the hijacker, although some people believe it is.

6. What chance is there that DBC landed in the
water? (If you read Farf's analysis of this, a 1%
of a 1% chance would be very generous).

Robert: I suggested that it was a very low chance, too. And I got pounded on for saying it. I just looked at the total amount of water available to the land available and made a guess. Low chance of a water landing.

7. Why didn't DBC bail out south of Portland?

Robert: (General response, KC, anyone) Because he had no intention of remaining on board any longer than it took to get to jump altitude. Think about it. He wanted to take off with the stairs already lowered. That doesn't sound like someone who is planning on hanging around long. In fact, this request is one thing Porteous and I thought led to the idea the hijacker was very local to Puget Sound. Say...Bonney Lake, for example. (*smiles*)

8. Could Cooper have had a homing device on him
so that anyone within 5 miles of where he landed
could determine his location (Fank Heyl's profile)?

Robert: I doubt it. Maybe a walkie talkie, who knows? I think he was just planning to walk to a pay phone. Back then they were everywhere.

9. Was Jake from Walla Walla State Pen being
truthful (he has evidence you know )?

Robert: I am not familiar with this Jake from Walla Walla evidence. On another point though, I have heard claims lately that the SkyChef restaurant in Portland was closed on the day of the hijacking, yet Cooper used SkyChef matches. SkyChef also provided the meals for NWA flights. It's occurred to me that a flight crew member might have a few boxes of those matches at home. NWA crews were well-known to take home everything they could get away with. I once dated an NWA stew for a brief time. Two of her kitchen cabinets were full of little liquor bottles.

10. And of course, the big one -- How did the money
get to Tena's Bar?

Robert: Planted, dredged there, or washed down. Hell, I don't know. This could be a question that would be solved AFTER the hijacking is solved. I've leaned back and forth on this one. Sometimes I think plant, sometimes dredge. I don't go with the washdown theory.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Nov 18, 2012, 8:13 PM)


Farflung

Nov 18, 2012, 8:23 PM
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RobertMBlevins says:

Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip up there again and ask her. She has no phone at her ranch in Twisp.”


Or you could just mail her one of those disposable phones for $25 and save some serious time and money.

http://www.walmart.com/...;wl5=pla&veh=sem

Nahhhh, too much fun blundering around for a single data point. Never mind.


377  (F 666)

Nov 18, 2012, 8:45 PM
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Vicki wrote
Quote:
http://www.dropzone.com/...ugh%20waite;#4142654

Pat, you may want to refer back to the previous conversation on this thread (Post #24310). Why bring it up again when it looks like he was with his family skiing in the Alps over the Thanksgiving holiday.

Thanks Vicki. Your sharp memory saved a forum detour.

377


MeyerLouie

Nov 18, 2012, 8:47 PM
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In reply to:
I hate double-posting, but I guess I should answer MeyerLouie's questions:

'Blevins,
I'm tired of getting after you, it's a broken record -- you will never change. Instead, today, rather than criticize you, I am going to put up my "Top 10 List" of questions I have come up with since recently re-reading Skyjack, Norjak, and Blast:

Robert says: I can't answer for Geoff Gray or Himmelsbach's books.

1. How did DBC get to the Portland airport?
Accomplice(s)?

Robert: Okay...but it's a theory. We (Porteous and yours truly) think Bernie Geestman picked up KC at his apartment in Sumner either in another vehicle or his recently-purchased station wagon, and drove him to Portland. Then we believe (now) that Geestman drove up to his property in Oakville, camped out in his new trailer, and waited for a phone call. There was no house at that time, but only a shop building. We know there was power to the shop, but we can't say for sure there was a phone. I should have asked Margaret Geestman if there was a phone. My bad. Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip up there again and ask her. She has no phone at her ranch in Twisp.

2. Why didn't Geoff Gray write a book that makes it
easier to find things (his subsections are dates,
not descriptive subtitles, thus making it almost
impossible to backtrack and find something that
you had read previously; also, writing non-fiction
like it's a novel is a tough format, another
format may have been better)?

Robert: I agree with most of what you say about the format on Skyjack. What I thought was missing the most was a detailed start-to-finish timeline regarding the hijacking. You know, like: '4:20PM Cooper boards 305...' etc. from there right up to Reno and the search later. (Yes, I know it wasn't 4:20PM)

3. Why wasn't Cooper afraid of being recognized?

Robert: (KC response only) We know KC only flew maybe a couple of times a month. We also know he only did the Orient routes. We also know from NWA that the crews were compartmentalized. We know most people who worked with KC hardly remembered him. We know the hijacker was adamant about not allowing any of the male flight crew to even catch a look at him. Conclusion: Once Cooper boarded, if he was sure the stews did not know him, he (KC) might have decided at that point to go through with his plan. Again, though...it's just a theory. On a side note, if Geestman was the accomplice, we also believe he was the one who talked Kenny into doing it. We base this on what we know about him, and what followed later regarding Geestman, including his appearance on Decoded. If he was involved, he definitely got a piece of the pie. To support this, I point to his ability to build a new home not long after the hijacking on his property in Oakville, his wife's spending on a wooded lot in Bonney Lake, horses, and other items...and the purchase of the ranch in Twisp, WA. Margaret, in her interviews, was pretty dodgy on how they managed these purchases.

4. Why did Cooper take the bogus chute?

Robert: (KC response) Missed it? Hadn't jumped in 25 years? (KC's last jump was in 46-47. As far as we know, he never jumped civilian.

5. Why is there so much difference in the DBC
ID/descriptions by the eye witnesses (Tina spent
5 hours with him, I think I trust her description
the most -- hey, I thought flight people were
supposed to be trained in this kind of thing).

Robert: This is common in eyewitness accounts, that is, for people to see the same person yet give varying descriptions. Robert Gregory was sure the hijacker was no taller than five-nine. (Pg 92, Skyjack.) Others said up to six-one, six-two. What the heck? When they catch perps and then you compare them in person to the sketch that was issued, sometimes those are quite different. I don't know. The sketch is what it is. One thing it isn't is a photograph of the hijacker, although some people believe it is.

6. What chance is there that DBC landed in the
water? (If you read Farf's analysis of this, a 1%
of a 1% chance would be very generous).

Robert: I suggested that it was a very low chance, too. And I got pounded on for saying it. I just looked at the total amount of water available to the land available and made a guess. Low chance of a water landing.

7. Why didn't DBC bail out south of Portland?

Robert: (General response, KC, anyone) Because he had no intention of remaining on board any longer than it took to get to jump altitude. Think about it. He wanted to take off with the stairs already lowered. That doesn't sound like someone who is planning on hanging around long. In fact, this request is one thing Porteous and I thought led to the idea the hijacker was very local to Puget Sound. Say...Bonney Lake, for example. (*smiles*)

8. Could Cooper have had a homing device on him
so that anyone within 5 miles of where he landed
could determine his location (Fank Heyl's profile)?

Robert: I doubt it. Maybe a walkie talkie, who knows? I think he was just planning to walk to a pay phone. Back then they were everywhere.

9. Was Jake from Walla Walla State Pen being
truthful (he has evidence you know )?

Robert: I am not familiar with this Jake from Walla Walla evidence. On another point though, I have heard claims lately that the SkyChef restaurant in Portland was closed on the day of the hijacking, yet Cooper used SkyChef matches. SkyChef also provided the meals for NWA flights. It's occurred to me that a flight crew member might have a few boxes of those matches at home. NWA crews were well-known to take home everything they could get away with. I once dated an NWA stew for a brief time. Two of her kitchen cabinets were full of little liquor bottles.

10. And of course, the big one -- How did the money
get to Tena's Bar?

Robert: Planted, dredged there, or washed down. Hell, I don't know. This could be a question that would be solved AFTER the hijacking is solved. I've leaned back and forth on this one. Sometimes I think plant, sometimes dredge. I don't go with the washdown theory.
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Blevins: you were the last person I wanted to respond to my top 10 list. If you had some credibility, scruples, tact, scholarship, or professionalism, then I might value your opinion, but I don't. My top 10 list was fodder for the forum, I was not expecting a response to every question, from you -- of all people. I haven't even read your replies to the 10 questions -- I don't have to an I don't want to -- because I already know what you're going to say before you say it. You've repeated yourself so many times here, you've picked the low hanging fruit so often here, you're a broken record.
MeyerLouie


Actually Blevins, I just read some (only a couple) of your answers to my 10 questions -- and I am already regretting it. You really are a broken record. How do I put it -- nobody cares what you think, Blevins. MeyerLouie

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RobertMBlevins

Nov 18, 2012, 8:53 PM
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In reply to:
RobertMBlevins says:

Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip up there again and ask her. She has no phone at her ranch in Twisp.”

Or you could just mail her one of those disposable phones for $25 and save some serious time and money.

http://www.walmart.com/...;wl5=pla&veh=sem

Nahhhh, too much fun blundering around for a single data point. Never mind.

You could have just asked. Before her last interview, the one I did after History Channel showed up in Bonney Lake, I had a Trac Phone mailed to her with 250 minutes pre-loaded. History Channel's Marisa Kagan spoke to her a couple of times, and I called her while I was on my way there. When I arrived, she had let the phone discharge and told me she didn't WANT a phone at the ranch. Go figure. Since she wasn't even bothering to charge the thing, I didn't bother purchasing any more minutes for her.

Lesson: If you want to interview her, just drive there and show up. She will talk to you. But be careful. She has a dog and keeps a shotgun behind the kitchen door. Considering all the smashed-in doors, I don't blame her. Bring snacks for the dog and the big black horse for better results.

Attached: Picture of the house from the main road. I don't have a problem with giving out the address, but not on a public forum. Serious investigators would have to contact me personally on this. Her public address is a PO box in town.


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377  (F 666)

Nov 18, 2012, 8:54 PM
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8. Could Cooper have had a homing device on him
so that anyone within 5 miles of where he landed
could determine his location (Fank Heyl's profile)?

Very unlikely. No GPS back then. Best you could do is use a radio direction finder to get a bearing on a signal, but that doesn't work well over irregular terrain. Just gives you an approximate bearing, no range info.

McCoy's rigs had govt supplied beacons implanted by Perry Stevens, a rigger in Oakland CA. Most likely they were military bailout beacons on 243.0 MHz. Some USAF planes (eg HC 130H) were equipped with UHF ADFs that could get a bearing on that frequency. The problems of reflecting signals off terrain is minimized when the bearings are taken from aloft.

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georger

Nov 18, 2012, 8:56 PM
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In reply to:
I hate double-posting, but I guess I should answer MeyerLouie's questions:
.

Why?

(a) Yer the self-annointed windbag?

(b) you own and work this street?

(c) mary had a liddle lamb?

(d) you thought you stared in Taxi Driver?


georger

Nov 18, 2012, 9:04 PM
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Georger: No, you should ask Tom Kaye about this, since you are the one curious about it@!

Robert replies to this: YOU were the one who brought it up. I couldn't care less. I only heard something about a possible CS team book later.
No, you brought it up. So you could bring it up again.
So you could bring it up again.

So you could bring it up again.
So you could bring it up again.

You have a whole stable of:

So you could bring it up again.
So you could bring it up again.

Hey sailor, you wanna numma one bookie-bookie?
You liek - only five dolla.

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Revised Edition"

Only five dolla.

Bookie-bookie.
You wanna?


RobertMBlevins

Nov 18, 2012, 9:05 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I hate double-posting, but I guess I should answer MeyerLouie's questions:
.

Why?

(a) Yer the self-annointed windbag?

(b) you own and work this street?

(c) mary had a liddle lamb?

(d) you thought you stared in Taxi Driver?

No to All of the Above. And the questions were directed to me from Meyer, not you. So I answered them. Tough. Get over it.

Meyer: I saw your post above. If you didn't want a response to your questions, then you shouldn't have inserted my name or the title of the book into your post. I'm not a mind-reader, you know. Now I understand. I'll just ignore your questions or comments from now on. Thanks for setting me straight on that.

Quote:
'How do you like me now...'


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georger

Nov 18, 2012, 9:15 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
I hate double-posting, but I guess I should answer MeyerLouie's questions:
.

Why?

(a) Yer the self-annointed windbag?

(b) you own and work this street?

(c) mary had a liddle lamb?

(d) you thought you stared in Taxi Driver?

No to All of the Above. And the questions were directed to me from Meyer, not you. So I answered them. Tough. Get over it.

Meyer: I saw your post above. If you didn't want a response to your questions, then you shouldn't have inserted my name into your post. I'm not a mind-reader, you know. Now I understand. I'll just ignore your questions or comments from now on. Thanks for setting me straight on that.

Quote:
'How do you like me now...'
"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe "If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe
"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Bookie bookie -
you wanna bookie?

Me lower price. Only TWO DOLLA!
bOOKIE BOOKIE -

"Into The Blast - The True Story of D.B. Cooper -
Revised Edition"

only two dolla!


Farflung

Nov 18, 2012, 9:16 PM
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This is why you get so much venom.

RobertMBlevins speaks from his parallel universe, sans short-term memory with:

Maybe one of these days I'll take a trip up there again and ask her. She has no phone at her ranch in Twisp.”


This is typical of your miscommunications, misunderstandings and constant errors induced by someone who does not use English as a primary language. She solved a $15 problem with BS.

Not only has she displayed a ‘special relationship’ with reality, where she is mushing dog sleds through the wilds of Alaska, after driving horses to drink, but she hates phones too. She fits the profile of a wacko perfectly. She doesn’t like a TracFone, gee she could have told YOU that when you handed her that new fangled, eeeelectronic talking stick. What utter BS!

Then YOU reserve the temerity to say:

You could have just asked.”


Sorry, but I don’t reside in, or visit Crazytown, where there is some expectation that when someone says, a woman has no phone, you should inquire about some unfounded phobia. That’s nuttier than a squirrel turd. You have been duped, yet again.

Be careful and bring dog snacks? Are you kidding? No one wants to talk to her and no one ever broke into that dump. No police report, no evidence, just you repeating some brain dead story….. again.

If I suffered a ‘break in’, and had anything resembling a brain, I would want TracFones planted all over the estate, with 911 set on speed dial. Do you ever think downstream? She actually sets herself up to be even a greater victim, and you buy it. Un-freaking-believable.

PS: I “asked” about the name of the facial recognition software, but ummm….. that didn’t work out so well…. umm… oh yeah, because it was pure BS, and you were avoiding that like a boss.


MeyerLouie

Nov 18, 2012, 9:25 PM
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8. Could Cooper have had a homing device on him
so that anyone within 5 miles of where he landed
could determine his location (Fank Heyl's profile)?

Very unlikely. No GPS back then. Best you could do is use a radio direction finder to get a bearing on a signal, but that doesn't work well over irregular terrain. Just gives you an approximate bearing, no range info.

McCoy's rigs had govt supplied beacons implanted by Perry Stevens, a rigger in Oakland CA. Most likely they were military bailout beacons on 243.0 MHz. Some USAF planes (eg HC 130H) were equipped with UHF ADFs that could get a bearing on that frequency. The problems of reflecting signals off terrain is minimized when the bearings are taken from aloft.

377
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That answers that question -- two more questions for you 377: could DBC have brought on board 305, either in the briefcase or in the paperbag, a bailout type beacon (the flares maybe)? If so, could a land vehicle be equipped and capable of getting a bearing on that bailout beacon frequency? Thanks. MeyerLouie


Farflung

Nov 18, 2012, 9:31 PM
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RobertMBlevins displays his search skills with:

Attached: Picture of the house from the main road. I don't have a problem with giving out the address, but not on a public forum. Serious investigators would have to contact me personally on this.”

Gosh, I guess all those ‘serious investigators’ you speak of….. didn’t know how to search Geestman Ranch and have a photo already geo-located to the place on a very public website named Google.

But what do I know? I’m just a cave man, who had a few extra minutes.
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RobertMBlevins

Nov 18, 2012, 9:32 PM
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Farf: Margie is what she is. You were not there. I did six interviews with the lady, most of which went on for an entire day each time. In other words, I got the tour. There are several smashed-in doors now replaced with padlocks, she doesn't care about having a phone even after all that, and if anyone doesn't believe that, they can go up there and check it for themselves. I'm not putting the directions or her exact address on a public forum. Only the Seattle FBI has her actual address, and I don't want to be responsible for flooding her place with Cooper nuts. If someone serious wanted to interview her, I would have to screen them first...and NOT on Dropzone. Failing that, they could try to contact the Seattle FBI office and get it that way. Or yes, they could use 21st century tech to find her, but then I would not be responsible for that. I've seen the vitriol and wacko behavior associated with Cooper, you know.

BTW: Did you bother to inquire with Skipp Porteous on how exactly they did the facial overlay and what software they used? Oh, yeah. I forgot. That might mean you'd have to say who you were. My bad. I should have known that was a non-starter. Invent a new Gmail address with a phony name attached and ask him: skippporteousATgfrickinMailDotCom. He will answer. Then you can publish the results here, right?

She's not a 'wacko,' either. Just a lonely old lady who lives alone on a ranch in the middle of frickin' nowhere, and has lived that way since 1995 or so. She does get visits from friends locally sometimes. One of her best friends (and one I interviewed) was that lady I mentioned out of Brewster, a nearby town. SHE was the one who thought Margie had done the Iditarod, not Margie. Stop picking on the old lady. She's been through enough I think. If Geestman was indeed involved in the hijacking, I think it helped lead to their divorce. Margie's unreasoning fear of the FBI was a sort of clue to that, I think. She believes that somehow she would lose her ranch if it were proven her ex was involved, and my sincere placations to her about the Statute of Limitations fell on deaf ears.


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MeyerLouie

Nov 18, 2012, 9:32 PM
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Meyer: I saw your post above. If you didn't want a response to your questions, then you shouldn't have inserted my name or the title of the book into your post. I'm not a mind-reader, you know. Now I understand. I'll just ignore your questions or comments from now on. Thanks for setting me straight on that.
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Blevins, read my response to you responding to my top 10 list. Do you really promise to ignore my questions and comments from now on. Really? I think I like the sound of that. MeyerLouie__________________________________________________


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