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Farflung

Nov 17, 2012, 11:58 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulI8xWuV8ic

I should have expected the tragedy to spread into the very fabric that is America. Apparently when the flagship of Hostess went down, it took Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Ho-Hos and the very gluten that binds this once great nation- Wonder Bread.

That’s right, Wonder Bread is but some more collateral damage brought on by debt laden Twinks, Dongs and Hos. Will this be the last of the bad news?

NO! For anyone who has had the good fortune to travel the nation (before $4 gas), and explore the diverse landscapes, histories and cuisines; you will no doubt be familiar with the Center Sanctum of Sauce, the Mecca of Mmmm, that little giant called Arthur Bryant of Kansas, City.

For decades men, women and children…. little children Mandrake…. have gathered to feast upon barbecue, which has clearly been rubbed by the very hand of God, before being served with Bryant’s own sauce and…. I hope I can finish….. and…. Wonder Bread, to create the perfect, All American munch.

Now that Wonder Bread is gone, we might as well remove the torch from the hand of liberty, pull the chair out from under Whistler’s Mother and convert the Grand Canyon to landfill.

I tried to rush to the grocery and stock up on hundreds and hundreds of loaves, but some low life hoarders already stripped the shelves bare. Now it looks like Russia and I thought we won the cold war, more like a Pyrrhic victory without the wonder of Wonder.

I don’t know what could possibly bring me out of this funk (Marla?).
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mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 12:31 PM
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Jo said:
26 arrests? I don't know where you got that information from - but, I have NOT been provided with such information from the FBI or legal sources.

Jo, how can you not see what we said a month ago as well as Agent Carr said about Duane.

Carr told you this:
Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.


RobertMBlevins

Nov 17, 2012, 1:13 PM
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Farf says in part:

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'I don’t know what could possibly bring me out of this funk (Marla?)...'

Marla might do it. Just ignore the story and don't ask her WHICH dropzone is right. Just agree with everything and you'll go far.

Failing that, eat at the place shown in the picture.
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skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 7:02 PM
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In reply to:
Jo said:
26 arrests? I don't know where you got that information from - but, I have NOT been provided with such information from the FBI or legal sources.

Jo, how can you not see what we said a month ago as well as Agent Carr said about Duane.

Carr told you this:
Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

Most of the records Carr and the FBI has were generated from my home and by Doug and records we found. Duane was arrested in Jacksonville and had a gun? Why didn't Carr provide me with this and an explanation. Duane was an Insurance Agent - so this arrest sure must have been WHITE WASHED some way! I knew he had been arrested in Jacksonville for DRUNK DRIVING and possession of a gun (something that occurred when his step son was injured in Fl, but I didn't know Duane was a felon- he disclosed the DUI to me after he met me in 1977.

Explain to me HOW a convicted felon with a gun and having committed another robbery managed to WALK away from that without going BACK to prison?

Carr made a lot of claims on this thread he could NOT BACK UP! And when asked to produce his proof could NOT or would not do so. At least 80 % of the information in 500 pages was not generated by the FBI.


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skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 7:34 PM
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Georger I actually agree with your post even if I do not understand every point you are trying to make. Am I understanding Geoff did NOT have access to FBI files? I actually wondered about that at the time.

Carr was in the thread claiming 500 pages and most of that was generated by Doug and myself.
The arrest records - why did the FBI not share with me WHY they thought Duane was not Cooper.



In reply to:

When Tom says “This is business now,” I think he's
talking about the integrity and independence of the
CS Team and its work product vis-a-vis its mandate
with the FBI, and confidentiality, and not some
external financial-business plan the team had.

It was Geoff and Crown Publishing with the "Business
plan", right from the start!

Geoff's account above is a 'minimalist' accounting of
all that actually happened over a period of time, not
some single transaction as he portrays it, to his
distinct advantage!

Because, there was no "Titanium Sponge" that had
been found and identified at that point as an all-
encompassing fact. Geoff was wrong. Geoff's
statement is a miss-identification and spreading of
false incomplete information, just as he was wrong
about "two types of silver in the money", etc etc
etc. Never mind his breaking of confidences ... it
merely defines the different missions Tom vs. Gray
were on and the conflict between their missions.

Geoff is a book writer - not a forensic researcher.

Confidentiality was at stake and Geoff/Crown Pub.
very clearly violated those protocols for the sake
having something to make a book with, to sell.
All under the hubris of Geoff Gray being a
'REPORTER"? The financial "business" was with
Geoff and Crown Publishing; so far as I know the CS
Team had no financial plans at all.

Its all history now.

Had Geoff Gray/Crown Publihsing not had some
kind of official or semi-official relationship with the
FBI, to write some kind of offcial history? of the DB
Cooper case, been given acces to FBI files etc.,
none of this would have come up at all and the CS
Team would have had no reason to comunicate with
writer, Mr. Gray, at all.

Why was private book writer Geoff Gray given access
to FBI files at all? That whole thing is fucked up -

Tom and his CS Team performed their mission.

Book writer Geoff Gray/Crown Publishing wrote their damned book!

So, if you want to know if the chute is silk or nylon or
cheescloth, ask the accountant at Crown Publishing
or Geoff Grays's girlfriend, or RobertMBlevins esq. !

Laugh


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 17, 2012, 7:42 PM)


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 8:16 PM
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Below statements made by Blevins:

I have a couple of final points, and they regard this case in general, as well as the many people who have worked on it:

1) Name one person or organization that hasn't made a mistake along the way while investigating the case. Or to reverse this, got everything right. If they had gotten everything right, the case would probably be solved by now.

2) Just because one item might be wrong, doesn't mean EVERYTHING is wrong. And in the case of things that have nothing to do with the identity of the hijacker, or solving the case, those 'wrong' items can be discounted anyway. They are off-point.



Underlined is the first sensible statement you have made in a long time (at least it was not repeating all of this stuff we get agitated into repeating).

We is both yourself Blevins and myself Jo.

Problem with so much of what you have - is that it borderlines coercion of information. Not that you were pressing them. but you gave your subjects too much leading information...which resulted in their making claims they knew you could not disprove or prove. Elderly people sometime are easily led. You did NOT start out to do this on purpose - I think it was just incidental...in your eagerness to create a story.

The Cooper puzzle is just a large quamire of he said and she said. The Cooper Story sucks you in like QUICKSAND. The more one struggles the faster quicksand pulls them down into the bog.

I chill and then someone makes a derogatory statement - and I am on the defensive again.

For instance - this so called 500 pages Carr claimed to have...just how much was actually produced and found by the FBI on Weber.
NOT MUCH!

Not one soul could explain the 1976 arrest. How would a convicted felon with that many arrests and conviction who was working as an insurance agent - have avoided prosecution?

27 arrests, multiple prison files and in 1976 he a working life insurance agent and has a gun - NO one walked away from this in 1976 without some connections.

Perhaps I should just leave tonight with that question of a lot of good citizens might ponder over. I realize that 377 had some kind of retort regarding this back a couple or yrs or so, but []this really smells funny!


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 8:42 PM
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Jo, I don't really care who got information from who, the information the FBI has must be different than what you have?

what does Duane having a gun and released from the fuzz have to do with this crime? who is Doug? why is his word better than Carr or the FBI? I try real hard to follow this, but, you jump from comment to comment t
I have a very bad past that I am not proud of and Duane fits it very well, 99% of DZ approves this as well as the FBI, what does this tell you? I don't put any hatred into my findings and yet you reply with them? why is ok for you to say you know how the money got to the banks and yet Marla is full of shit? Duane's record tells a different story from outside of your view?

according to records, Marla is the niece of DB Cooper?
KC is DB Cooper?
LD Cooper is DB Cooper?
Gossett is Cooper?
McCoy is Cooper?
List is Cooper?
Dayton is Cooper?
Mayfield is Cooper?
Coffelt is Cooper?

all of these "stories" are all the same, they fail to put them on the plane or show any physical evidence!


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 8:44 PM
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Duane Weber is a mystery even to me - a woman who shared his life for 18 yrs. When you stated his reputation was not worth fifty cents - you could not be more wrong.

Duane touch a lot of lives for the better and he harmed a lot of lives. His employers praised him and so did his friends. An ex-wife hated his guts and he hated hers - strange union I thought.

Another wife loved him even when they separated. I tried to understand this strange union from 1962 to 1972 - and I talked to her from 1997 until her death in 2004. As one of her family said - she had a Jeykl / Hyde personality. I thought this VERY strange when the same expression was used to describe another individual related to another Cooper suspect...it was like we were talking about the same person.

377 stated:

"You see Duane as a basically benevolent person and at times even a hero. I don't share your opinion of his character or his abilities".

There are many in the past of Duane Weber who did consider him a hero. One young man - loved him, but also hated him. I will never forget the heart wrenching story I was told many yrs ago by this young man who was torn by his loyalty another person and to Duane, but also his resentment of both because of how the relationship harmed his life.

Because of his fragil "situation" I stopped contacting him as it was not a good thing to do. I felt his torment - that first conversation which he instigated, left me crying for him and what he lived thru.

He had contacted me because he wanted to help, but he could not get past his own emotional pain. Perhaps someday he will heal - but, I will never know, because I no longer have any contact with him and his family I often look at and HOPE they are doing well.

What a beautiful family - and what a wonderful person. I pushed for more than he could offer and had to back away for his sake and the sake of his family. (He found me thru this thread and initiated the contact).

I vowed then that should there ever be any profit to be derived from my search that a Secret Santa would make a special delivery. I do not expect that to happen in my life time, but at least he is in my thoughts and I actually have tears running down my face right now. I feel his pain.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 17, 2012, 8:48 PM)


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 8:57 PM
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Jo says:
"Duane Weber is a mystery even to me"
how can you defend someone you don't know?

this is what the FBI has been saying as well as everyone one this thread has been saying Jo, hate to tell you?

the bottom line Jo was this....If you want more answers to your questions I have them.?????


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Nov 17, 2012, 9:00 PM)


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 9:00 PM
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I don't put any hatred into my findings and yet you reply with them?


I do not put hatred into my findings. Since you don't know who Doug is then YOU have NO IDEA about the past 18 yrs of my life.

I state how the money got to the river banks because I was with my husband on a trip in 1979. Marla was not with her uncle and the areas she claimed did NOT put the money in the river on on the banks. Her story was seriously faulted from get go.

Mrsshutter stated:

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Duane's record tells a different story from outside of your view?

WinkWell, have you read those records and touched those records Carr claimed to have. If he had a list of Duane's arrests and convictions - why did he not share them with me? What do you know about Duane's record other than what has been stated on this thread. Are you privey to the details of his arrest records and prison records. I have the prison records except for Jefferson.


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georger

Nov 17, 2012, 9:03 PM
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Georger I actually agree with your post even if I do not understand every point you are trying to make. Am I understanding Geoff did NOT have access to FBI files? I actually wondered about that at the time.

No. Geoff WAS given access to FBI files. At least
thats my understanding ...

Are you a Notre Dame fan?


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 9:07 PM
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Jo, I can get Duane's past if I want to, but there is no reason for this request! should I need to do this with your 17 years of Experience? I thought you would have this down pat???

this kind of falls under a "twisty butt" clause

(insert theme from (Jeopardy)


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skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 9:10 PM
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In reply to:
Are you a Notre Dame fan?

Georger - I think you addressed that question to the wrong person? Smile


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 9:24 PM
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Jo, I can get Duane's past if I want to, but there is no reason for this request!

Not sure I am understanding your posts tonight - what are you drinking?

Obviously you do not have the records nor access to them. Go back and read my postings. I requested them and I am the only next of kin - but a no GO.

Either the FBI has these 500 pages or they don't. It has been clearly stated in the last 6 yrs in the thread what I have and what I do not. I am only interested in the arrest, charges and convictions and time spent in jail or prison along with the DATES.
I want all arrests listed and locations regardless of what the outcome was.

Unless you are FBI or law enforcement I doubt U have access. I have attempted to obtain them and with no success.

I have knowledge of several arrests. Starting with Florida - 1942 - JAX (Navy). Not 26.


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 9:45 PM
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In reply to:
seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr



I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

I guesd I'm drinking the "whine" of the un-fine!


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 9:59 PM
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In reply to:
who is Doug? why is his word better than Carr or the FBI? Duane's record tells a different story from outside of your view?

UNTIL you actually see the records that statement is invalid.
My records and personal accountings from individuals in Duane's past told a different story than the FBI's. Y

1998 The FBI dismissed Duane with a letter based only on prints 2 yrs + after they came to my home. A strange letter dated July 30, 1998 stateS the known prints of Duane Lorin Weber were compared and none of the prints associated with this investigation were found to be identical with any of the fingerprints found on the Northwest flight and subsequent fingerprints possible associated with this matter received at a LATER DATE.

WinkAnother DETAIL I have NEVER REVEALED until tonight. QUESTION what other prints did they find associated with the crime at a later date. Perhaps those from letters mailed from those claiming to be Cooper.

The letter goes on to state - "In light of the above results, no further investigation is being conducted by the FBI concering Duane Lorin Weber and any possible connectiion to this investigation.

2000 The FBI denies Weber was ever in McNeil or the Army (guess who managed to obtain these records - Doug). We found lots of other things - and the were contrary to what the FBI claimed so I went Public, but for 4 yrs I did nothing, but put faith into the FBI only to find they had done nothing.

2001 The FBI then has to fess up and put up (only then did they start getting their act together). They actually had to confront Doug - but, I stayed out of this.

2003 The FBI requested DNA - after I had remarried and had little of his stuff left that I was willing to part with. What I offered I told them I did not think there would be DNA or prints - I am a cleaning fantatic and the items had been touched and use by others and some I did NOT know if Duane ever used.

Now you GUY know the rest of the story! It would be several yrs before they returned the items I gave to them - sure as hell glad I didn't let them have a very expensive watch nor his everyday watch (the only way they will get DNA from those will be to swab or take the DNA in my presence and then hand those items back to me at that time. The items will not leave my visual range....this is how much I trust the FBI at this time.

The prior items where NOT returned until 2007.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 17, 2012, 10:01 PM)


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 10:06 PM
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Basically you are saying, I'm wrong, DZ is wrong, Marla is wrong, The FBI is wrong??? everyone but you and Duane right?
can we conclude this now?

see a pattern anywhere?


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Nov 17, 2012, 10:10 PM)


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 10:19 PM
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In reply to:
When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

That paragraph was later found to be deceptive and inaccurate as the productions of the Master Sets was not completed until the 80's and some individual never made it into the system. Duane Fell in that cusp - It was a PUZZLE why they used the 1944 prints from McNeil a prison they later claimed he had not resided in - only passed thru. DON't U SEE a PROBLEM with THAT!

In reply to:
The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

This was CARR babbling off the top of his head. To my Knowledge -This was NEVER done. The story about prints being changed within the Jefferson Prison circulated for yrs with in the system - one prisoner supposedly wrote a story about this - but I did not find him until 3 months after he died. The story was never confirmed.


In reply to:
On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane).

Do YOU not find that ODD that Duane's prints were NOT on that resume!results.


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 10:30 PM
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???????????????


skyjack71

Nov 17, 2012, 10:43 PM
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In reply to:
Basically you are saying, I'm wrong, DZ is wrong, Marla is wrong, The FBI is wrong??? everyone but you and Duane right?
can we conclude this now?

see a pattern anywhere?

I doubt Marla is right.

I know the FBI made some mistakes in their investigation of Weber - I have pointed them out and I have contacted them for clarification of the very things we just talked about - but the were NOT forthcoming. Fingerprints - Cooper was print phobic - if we can believe what Geoffry wrote.
I do believe that to be true.

Now do YOU see a pattern?

The FBI was contacted about a letter I received regarding Eugene and an individual who was there....long before Marla ever mentioned Santa and Eugene. If the DNA on that matches the DNA on the tie - well, then I have a watch the FBI can swab for DNA. Strange that all things go to Eugene. DL, Santa, Tina Mucklow and XXXX.

This was probably the weirdest part of this whole thing I have experienced. I didn't make it up because I had a letter about it from around 2001 or 2002. I provided the date to the FBI and the information provided within. It was a puzzle or perhaps just a coincidence - I don't know.


mrshutter45

Nov 18, 2012, 8:16 AM
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"Obviously you do not have the records nor access to them. Go back and read my postings. I requested them and I am the only next of kin - but a no GO. "

a background check is a very simple task, this will give you every single arrest made, as for the prints you keep saying they have the wrong ones? what would make the difference in your belief? you will only respond by stating Cooper was print phobic?

you offered $100 for something to do with Marla and then turn around and state you don't have the money to check on the employment records of Duane's brother?

you seem to always put some sort of clause in everything you say, go to the Public Library and use there computer since you can only afford dial up? take the $100 you offered on Marla and get a full background check on Duane or his brother? 17 years and you have not done anything really? you argue with us being wrong, you argue and complain about the FBI being wrong, how about Jo being wrong?

it seems that when you are confronted and things don't match up you get the "Knoss virus" it doesn't paint a pretty picture Jo!


RobertMBlevins

Nov 18, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Shutter says in part:

Quote:
'According to records, Marla is the niece of DB Cooper?
KC is DB Cooper?
LD Cooper is DB Cooper?
Gossett is Cooper?
McCoy is Cooper?
List is Cooper?
Dayton is Cooper?
Mayfield is Cooper?
Coffelt is Cooper?

All of these "stories" are all the same, they fail to put them on the plane or show any physical evidence!...'

Point of Order: Two of the phone call discussions and two of the emails I did with reps at the Seattle FBI. All say the same basic thing:

KC has NOT been investigated in any way by the Seattle FBI as a suspect in the case. The reason given, also consistent: They felt from the start that he didn't match the physical description. Okay, fine. You can take that as you will, but KC's prints and DNA have NEVER been checked against what limited physical evidence they have in the case. (partial profile, some prints) A DNA sample was submitted some time ago by Lyle Christiansen, taken by agents from the Minneapolis office. They have access to KC's full prints from his military record if they wished to obtain them. Porteous has his thumbprint on an Army record, as well.

I only wanted to make that part of the record. Of course, KC could be a no-match just like the others. But he has NEVER been tested, no matter what you may have heard from others. I made a point with the Seattle FBI to clarify this fact, and they confirmed it more than once. Just saying.

Georger says in part:

Quote:
'When Tom says “This is business now,” I think he's talking about the integrity and independence of the CS Team and its work product vis-a-vis its mandate with the FBI, and confidentiality, and not some external financial-business plan the team had.

It was Geoff and Crown Publishing with the "Business
plan", right from the start!...'

You should ask Tom Kaye about this. My understanding about the phrase 'This is business now,' refers to the idea that the CS team was considering their own book on the research they did.

I keep wondering why you pick on book writers so much. Like the books on Amelia Earhart, (many and legend) there might be some truth here and there mixed in with the speculation. The only non-fiction crime-type book I ever read that I considered almost completely accurate was All The President's Men. Anyone who is investigating anything, planning to do interviews, or considering a career in journalism should read it. Seriously.


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georger

Nov 18, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Georger says in part:

Quote:
'When Tom says “This is business now,” I think he's talking about the integrity and independence of the CS Team and its work product vis-a-vis its mandate with the FBI, and confidentiality, and not some external financial-business plan the team had.

It was Geoff and Crown Publishing with the "Business
plan", right from the start!...'

You should ask Tom Kaye about this. My understanding about the phrase 'This is business now,' refers to the idea that the CS team was considering their own book on the research they did.

I keep wondering why you pick on book writers so much. Like the books on Amelia Earhart, (many and legend) there might be some truth here and there mixed in with the speculation. The only non-fiction crime-type book I ever read that I considered almost completely accurate was All The President's Men. Anyone who is investigating anything, planning to do interviews, or considering a career in journalism should read it. Seriously.
No, you should ask Tom Kaye about this, since you
are the one curious about it@!

Now confess. You have a year's supply of Twinkie's
hidden somewhere? With the rest of your Survivalist
gear and a copy of "Inquisitions for Dummies" ...

Your persistent problem apparently in life, is you
dont know the difference between "book writers"
and "pimps". Or doing research and writing a book
vs. pimping.

I support legitimate book writers. I don;t support
PIMPS!

This distinction is akin to the difference between shit
and gold. Something most people learn very early in
life! Your nose may be out of joint (out of wack). It
could be a permanent condition you and your fellow
&*&%s will have to learn to cope with, or find
another hobby, while devoting renewed energy and
devotion to your primary source of being you
discovered somewhere along the way -
housecleaning.

In your case, we shall not go up and down together.
You need to get over your personal political
delusions.

We are, for all practical purposes, different species.


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MeyerLouie

Nov 18, 2012, 2:44 PM
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D B Cooper was Colonel Hugh Gordon Waite. He was a paratrooper. He spoke French. He was a native of Oregon and is buried in Portland. He was an avid photographer and used a camera with a titanium shutter that would leave shard traces of titanium on the clip on tie he wore. There are pictures at his daughters web site of him wearing that tie. DB Cooper has never been identified because he lived after the crime.
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I don't follow that last sentence, but do you have the daughter's website information? MeyerLouie
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skyjack71

Nov 18, 2012, 3:43 PM
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a background check is a very simple task, this will give you every single arrest made, as for the prints you keep saying they have the wrong ones?


Wrong - this was done yrs ago and no way to check the John Collins name....Duane's reports came in DECEASED...no information available. You seem to think it is very easy to obtain information like that - no it is NOT. I have Duane's employment records and they have been posted from 1969 to 1995 when he deceased. I only took them to 1976 because I knew the record after that. The yrs from 1962 to 1968 are under John Collins and not available.

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you offered $100 for something to do with Marla and then turn around and state you don't have the money to check on the employment records of Duane's brother?

I made that offer because I knew NO one would take me up on it, but had they have done so I would have paid for it. As for the Brother - I do not have his SS number and it has been tried, but all that comes up is deceased.

You seem to not realize there is such a thing as Privacy Laws. Not just anyone can obtain certain records...unless you KNOW some way to do it illegally.

In 17 yrs I have done more than any other person as done including the FBI.

It seems you have taken Knosses place in the thread!


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