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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Nov 13, 2012, 9:05 AM
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Re: [377] Self-proclaimed Experts Versus Process Performers [In reply to] Can't Post

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Why call him Betrayus?

Matt

Ask his wife. Ask Paula's husband. Ask the people who had to arrange, at taxpayers expense, to provide fresh pineapple to the General every single day, no matter where he was. He is a jerk hypocrite. Do you really think he got caught the first time he committed a breach of trust and an act that routinely gets those of lesser rank court martialed? Fk him. Glad to see his pompous self righteous ass fall hard. And don't think he is a straight up guy who in a moment of introspection felt guilty and openly confessed. The FBI had him in a squeeze.

377

You talk of actions that went on recently, yet use Times unprofessional attack word from several years ago.

He is confident, since he has been right, in his recommendations for handling two fronts on a war.

Having served in the field with him, and deployed with him, the pineapple thing is laughable. It is the same as hollywood elites getting blamed for some things. He expresses an affinity for pineapple, a staffer ASSUMES he wants it 24/7 and then uses the phrase: "GEN P demands it!".

I hope you had the same attitude towards Presidents Kennedy, Clinton and the former Speaker of the House, Newt.

Now back to the Drama of "Cooper"!

Matt


RobertMBlevins

Nov 13, 2012, 11:09 AM
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Re: [Farflung] It May Be Worth Repeating…. [In reply to] Can't Post

Farflung says in part:

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'I think it’s worth repeating what the trained and certified, Federal investigator of crime said, about some amateur bush whacker, and I quote: ”We ruled him out a long time ago. There's no way he could have done it. We all just wish that guy would just sort of go away.”

This statement by Marla about yours truly and Christiansen would assume she is telling the truth, of course. And I have already asked them if that statement was true, but in order to obtain an answer, I didn't tell them 'Marla said that'. What the Seattle FBI has told me was this: They have NOT ruled out KC as a suspect. Some in the Seattle office believe he's a good suspect. Others believe there are better suspects. That's a quote. Also, no one is planning to 'close' the case, despite her claim on that, any more than they are planning to 'close' the case on Jimmy Hoffa.

And unlike Marla, I still have the Google mails to prove that this is the position of the Seattle FBI. So the question is, was she telling the truth when she said that? Her track record makes this doubtful.

It isn't as if I have hounded the Seattle FBI, either. I give them credit for only needing to be informed once. In other words, this is how it went:

In a three-year period: Three email inquiries, two phone calls, and two packages of material. The first package was a statement on our case against KC and some pictures. The second package was a physical copy of the book to Eng, and a short statement. And no contact since that time. I wouldn't exactly call that 'hounding'.

Marla's credibility on any statements she makes regarding her uncles and the Cooper case is shaky at best. She's demonstrated with her own statements and Facebook postings that her only real interest in the Cooper case was an opp for fame and fortune. And she's not afraid to shift her story once in a while to acheive those ends.

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"Guess who that credible witness is?"

"OMG. What are you going to do now?"

"A lot of capitalizing."

Something for Georger:

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Curt Jergens: 'I should have died many times, but I continue to survive. This time it was your fault...'

Robert Mitchum: 'Oh. I didn't know. Next time I won't throw you the rope.'

Curt Jergens: 'Oh I think you will...'

SmileSmileSmile


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Farflung

Nov 13, 2012, 11:47 AM
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RobertMBlevins whines:

This statement by Marla about yours truly and Christiansen would assume she is telling the truth…”

Same for statements from Bernie, his wife, the wife of a Boulder Cop, the person who said Dan Cooper comics were in Shemya, the person who said Scott talked to Cooper, too three ate mar-la, the person who said the money floated from Paradise Point Park to Tena Bar, the person who said Cooper demanded twenties, the person who said Cooper backed down the stairs, the person who said the money could not have arrived before 1974, the person who said money was buried in tree stumps, the person who said they were loaned $5,000, 238 Marla, the person who said Kenny wasn’t at Thanksgiving dinner, the person who said Kenny was nice, the person who said Cooper picked a military parachute, the person who identified Cooper’s tie clasp as Kenny’s, the person who saw toupees, adjacent to 240 Marla, the person who never saw toupees again, the person who said Kenny paid cash for his house, the person who said three bundles were perfectly aligned, the person who claimed to use facial recognition software, the person who claimed to be the first to drive four Clydesdales abreast, Marla 238, the person who was in the Iditarod, the person who claimed Kenny smoked Raleigh cigarettes, the person who said he drank bourbon and most of what you have published.

Why such standards for Marla (238), when yours are lower? We get it, you hate pretty girls, got it loud and clear. Her story is just as porous as yours, but she’s not allowed to speak on this thread without you and some other jackals talking about her sex life. Jealous much?

I’ve got to go a three o’clock meeting; it is good I had a late lunch.


monkycndo  (D License)

Nov 13, 2012, 12:48 PM
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DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

Sigh.

I really enjoy learning the history of skydiving and click on the forum when I see something has been posted. But it is beyond ridiculous that one topic over two threads (one locked) can have almost 40,000----- yes, 40,000 posts or 56% of all posts in the entire forum. How many times can you folks argue the same topic???? Seriously???

Talk about wasted bandwidth every time the the thread is opened. From the forum rules:

"Bandwidth and Performance Saving
Threads that have more than 1,000 posts or 10,000 views may be locked to maintain optimal system performance and preserve bandwidth. When this is done it will be indicated as such and you're welcome to start a similar discussion again. Posts made with the explicit goal of soliciting multiple short responses (“Post Whoring”) may be locked or removed to preserve bandwidth. "

I know it has been suggested in the past, but all of you folks that love to beat a horse that has been turned into ground round many times over should have your own dedicated forum. That way those of us that enjoy lurking the history forum don't have to click on the forum only to see that once again dear old DB is what is "new".

I know nothing will come of this post other than you folks getting your panty's in a bunch because there IS so much more to discuss, but please don't waste the effort and add to the already bloated bandwidth. I won't be returning to defend myself.

I bid you peace and happy arguing.Smile


Farflung

Nov 13, 2012, 1:21 PM
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The biggest suspect in decades and it is ….. Marla’s uncle!

That is according to Geoffrey Gray.

http://orhistory.com/archives/1909 (clicky to listening)

(8:18) Tina Muck-well? Oh well.

(9:24) smokin99’s ad indicates the Sky Chef was closed on 24 Nov!

(15:55) Marla the most exciting addition to Cooperland in decades.

(20:31) Marla takes a break from sounding hot.

(23:28) Marla says LD was polite and nice.

(25:57) Marla stops talking all sultry and kitten with a whip-ish.

(30:25) Brian Ingram stays classy.

(36:29) Cooper in a cave with Bigfoot and Earhart

(38:57) Join Marla Cooper for DB Cooper night! Marla is Cooper Royalty.

For those too ‘busy’ (code for being jerks) to listen, I’ve generously created this outline of the podcast. Gawd knows…. that the precious resource of time is never squandered and always spent wisely with activities like…. commuting…. bitching about work…. bitching about being laid-off…. bitching…. bitching about other people bitching…. bitching about how no one takes you seriously…. bitching about how there’s not enough bitching…. bitching about being alone…. bitching about how someone doesn’t think the sun rises and sets, in the back of your pants…. bitching about things making your bitching take longer than it should… bitching about how you don’t bitch….and realizing just what a perfect bitch, you may actually be…. and bitching about how that last fragment ended in a preposition!


RobertMBlevins

Nov 13, 2012, 2:13 PM
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Farflung: Easy enough for you to dismiss all the evidence, such as it is, on Christiansen. You are the one who is whining. 'Marla isn't allowed to post here without someone discussing her sex life...' What is that about? I don't understand the 238 reference either.

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'Same for statements from Bernie, his wife, the wife of a Boulder Cop...'

Bernie is a proven liar and points to his wife as being involved. The wife points back to him. She has admitted that Kenny could have been involved. All I could do there was present what I could discover about them, and their possible roles. My personal opinion is that Carolyn Tyner, the wife of the cop, is a solid witness with no motivation to lie. She's in the phone book. Call her up and ask her about it. As you know, she was one of three people who were living with Kenny at the time he died.

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'...the person who said Dan Cooper comics were in Shemya...'

Jim Andersen, NWA historian, said it was possible because the aircrews who visited Shemya often left any reading material they had on board in the Day Room for the poor saps on Shemya. And...that comics were a popular reading material with some of the guys on these flight crews. I speculated that since many of these flights came in from Canada or Europe, and that KC served on Shemya, it was possible he saw it there. But as you know, I found out later the Cooper comic was not being published at the time KC served on Shemya. Unless the Cooper case is solved, and with actual witnesses involved in its solution, it is unlikely a link between the name of the hijacker and the comic will ever be proven.

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'...the person who said Scott talked to Cooper, too...'

I have explained that in depth. That was a mistake on my part during the creation of the first edition of the book. It isn't in the Revised. Get over it.

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'...three ate mar-la...'

I don't understand that one.

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'The person who said the money floated from Paradise Point Park to Tena Bar..'

Yes, I did a brain freeze on that one. But since no one can really prove HOW the money arrived at Tena Bar, it makes little difference. Paradise Point as a possible meeting place between KC and Geestman was only a theory. Later, after I found out Geestman stored the trailer and wagon down on his property in Oakville, I began to have my doubts. We know there was a shop building there, but no house yet. Again...no way to prove the details on any rendezvous. You would have to prove that Geestman and KC were the perps, then I suppose the exact details would come out.

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'...the person who said Cooper demanded twenties...'

Excuse me, but big deal. Does it really matter HOW he asked for the money? He got it and that's the main thing. 'Twenties' or 'negotiable American currency'. Whatever. Some people have speculated the second phrase means he was from Canada. Or maybe he was just nervous. Or maybe he wanted to make sure they wouldn't try writing him a check. :)

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'...the person who said Cooper backed down the stairs...'

That's a theory based on the fact that the stairs only dropped 24"-36" in flight after the release handle was turned. (Testimony from Bill Rataczak) Let's just lean WAY over with that big load and try to force those stairs down with our weight. You might go head over heels quite easily when the stairs drop. I think it's a good theory. Still doesn't prove anything about the hijacker, though.

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'...the person who said the money could not have arrived before 1974...'

Total guess. Haven't some people on this thread said the same thing? Something about dredging, I think. It was simply a comment to get Marla's opinion on how the money arrived at Tena Bar. Truth is, neither you, I, or anyone else can say with certainty WHEN the money arrived, can we? My opinion is that it probably arrived closer to 1980, and not before 1976.

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'...the person who said money was buried in tree stumps...'

Two witnesses have testified to this now. Dan Rattenbury, and Carolyn Tyner. Why don't you talk to them? It isn't like I did Secret Squirrel on their identities or their statements.

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'...the person who said they were loaned $5,000...'

This is true. The recipient admitted it, and so did the other people close to her, including her daughter, her brother, and the brother's ex wife. We even have the sales record on the house she bought with it, using it as a down payment.

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'...the person who said Kenny wasn’t at Thanksgiving dinner...'

Multiple witnesses say the same thing, including the dinner hostess.

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'...the person who said Kenny was nice...'

Some said that. Others said he was the kind of person you would hardly notice. Gray actually interviewed more of Kenny's co-workers and neighbors than I did. The theme was always the same.

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'...the person who said Cooper picked a military parachute...'

Funny, I thought the NB-6 container meant NAVY Backpack Six. Sounds kind of military-ish to me.

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'...the person who identified Cooper’s tie clasp as Kenny’s...'

True enough, and by not less than the sister of the alleged accomplice. And when she ID'd it, she didn't even realize the significance. This evidence is not conclusive, only because that type of tie clasp is reasonably common. It's interesting though.

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'...the person who saw toupees...'

Testified to by three different witnesses. Even the Seattle FBI had reason to think the hijacker wore one, at least early on in the investigation. (See attached picture)

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'...the person who said Kenny paid cash for his house...'

Are you kidding me? This has been documented. Sellers: Joe and Ann Grimes from Puyallup, WA. Ann is still living in Puyallup. Her husband died a few years ago.

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'...the person who said three bundles were perfectly aligned...'

Tom Kaye said some of the bills were so aligned that the ink from the serial numbers ran into one another. He says his water tests show this would not happen if the money had arrived by water. You should ask him for further details.

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'...the person who claimed to use facial recognition software...'

I'm sure you saw the overlay they did for Decoded. It was run up by Porteous and some of his people. I have not asked him about the details on it. I think they used some type of imaging software. But you would have to ask him the exact details yourself. If I tell you how, you wouldn't believe it coming from me. So you do the checking on your own. Besides, it is a comparison between a sketch and a photograph, not two photographs. There is a difference. I don't think it can be denied that there is a certain resemblance between the sketch and Kenny.

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'...the person who claimed to be the first to drive four Clydesdales abreast...'

Margaret Ann Geestman. Source: Old newspaper article framed on her wall. Said 'draft horses,' in the article, not Clydesdales. My mistake. A flat cart with wheels. You can see Margaret standing on the cart and driving the horses in a parade, probably early 60's. She owns a monster of a black draft horse even today. It's interesting, but has nothing to do with the Cooper case.

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'...the person who was in the Iditarod...'

Faye Hanson from Brewster, WA said this. She had known Margaret for many years. Probably should not have gone into the book. I searched the Iditarod site and couldn't find Margie's name anywhere. You could be correct. She probably wasn't in the Iditarod. Again, it really doesn't apply to the Cooper case or whether KC may have been the hijacker. Unless Cooper used dogs and a sled to escape once he reached the ground. (*laughs*)

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'...the person who claimed Kenny smoked Raleigh cigarettes...'

Yes. Testified to by Helen Jones, of Sumner, WA.

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'...the person who said he drank bourbon...'

Several people have said this, including some interviewed by Geoff Gray. KC kept the bottles on a shelf at his house. The more interesting ones anyway. Lyle Christiansen even kept one of them after Kenny died.

Don't compare the case against Christiansen to Marla's empty claims. We have enough to at least put him solidly on the suspect list. Proving for certain he was the hijacker? Not likely unless Geestman stops lying and comes clean. I also have another response from another cast member from Decoded on Bernie's interview. Here it is:

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'Robert: My sense of Bernie was that he was (to use a police term) squirrelly during our interview. I found it interesting that he would throw his ex under the bus and basically say SHE could have been an accomplice. I had no reason to think he was drunk (no smell or the like) but he seemed a bit dimwitted. I don't feel he told us everything he knows, and his denials were tepid.

I am not prepared to say with certainly that Bernie helped Kenny in this case. As a person trained and highly experienced in body language and questioning witnesses, I found Bernie a tough nut to crack in the sense that he appeared credible to a certain extent, and he even cried at one point. However, he left out large chunks of information. I wish I'd had the information on the tugboat records going missing as I would have pressed him hard on that.

Hope this helps you...I love this case and this was my favorite episode out of the 23 that we did....my cell is (deleted). Feel free to call if you want to discuss more...'


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Farflung

Nov 13, 2012, 2:30 PM
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Why sure Mr. “I’m All Concerned About The Amount Of Bandwidth Used On A Thread And This Subject Is Too Full Of Arguing And Stupidity For Me, So You Should Talk About Something Relevant Like I Do” guy! So glad you showed up.

You’re right; the DB Cooper thread does suck and is way too long. How about some shorter subjects? Hey, perhaps you can add your expertise and insight, while saving bandwidth, increasing safety, and adding to the appeal of the sport! Or not.

Let’s start with a simple search. How about “Gus Wing”? That’s a good one. Take a look, bandwidth avenger and worrier.

Wow, only five pages for someone who went through such an agonizing experience which ended NEEDLESSLY in his DEATH! Good thing that some bandwidth was preserved on all that procedural crap, where a ground spotter could have notified the jump pilot when the jumpers were ‘all clear’, and he could begin a normal descent…..right? Because as a result of this, DZs now have ground spotters with hand held transceivers (available for less than $300) and a telescope (for around $500) to track a jump plane in a heavily used airport…..right? Because this is all about promoting the sport and increasing safety on this forum…..right? I guess I just don’t read so good and missed all that.

How about a search on…. ummmm…. let’s see…. ah here it is….”STFU”…. yes, try a search on “STFU” and select any of the comments with STFU, whatever that means. Cuz I don’t know.

Here again, bandwidth is preserved with a Spartan twelve pages dedicated to the subject. It’s a good thing too, since this subject involved the death of a whuffo. Well, I’m not sure how one classifies this one; she did jump from a plane, but didn’t make a successful landing thanks to a laundry list of failures, mostly orbiting around people sitting right next to her. Oh well, falling out of a tandem rig is too rare to waste any more bandwidth on arguing about, or trying to prevent this unlikely event! To be sure and stuff. Bandwidth and your time is big, big bucks. How dare anyone delay the center of the YOUniverse.

So let’s make the last bandwidth raping, time wasting search, more kind and gentle. How about “grandma tandem” because everyone loves grandmas, no matter who they are……right? Grandmas are awesome and worth all the bandwidth and time available in my world. No matter who the granny is related to, I think she’s awesome! How can anyone hate a grandmother? Only an ogre or some self centered, self indulged cretin could qualify for that distinction. To be sure.

Well gee, there wasn’t even a page “wasted” on the 80 year old grandmother (did I say everyone loves grandmothers?) who slipped out of her tandem harness this year, which is after the “STFU” woman who was killed. Well, since this grandmother wasn’t doomed to freefalling 4000 feet to eternity, I guess its best that the subject is kept short. There are no lessons to be learned or procedures to be modified, and gosh Wally, some people may have to wait longer to see if they got a response on the comment about how they are “awed by their own magnificence”.

I bid you peace and continued self delusion! I still think grandmothers are awesome and are worth all the consideration and protection on Earth, in spite of those with polar opposite viewpoints.


RobertMBlevins

Nov 13, 2012, 2:56 PM
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One thing the person who complained about bandwidth has forgotten:

A thread visited as much as this one is, by people from all over the globe...also generates a lot of ad revenue for the owners of the site. And the Cooper thread is by far the most heavily visited. It's a moneymaker for the owners, no doubt.

I listened to much of the podcast from Oregon KickAss History. Marla is still going with her original line, ergo, that Curtis Eng stands by his assessment that her uncle is the best suspect, and that they (Seattle FBI) will be closing the case soon.

It is difficult to reconcile this with the emails I have from the Seattle office which say they AREN'T closing the case. They won't comment on her other claim, but they have been strangely silent about LD ever since the DNA/print thing was a no-match.

Look. I did the interview with her and I've pointed out the obvious flaws in her story. Sooner or later, she (or the Seattle FBI) will have to 'put up or shut up' on her claims one way or another.

Admittedly, it's hard to believe that Marla would continue to say publicly that Agent Eng thinks her uncle was Cooper, and that they are dropping the case. THEORY: Back when the Marla story broke, it is possible that Eng got excited about it and said a few things to her. But later...when the holes in her story and the lack of evidence became apparent...the Seattle FBI may have brought the lid down on any further comments or speculation.

There are only THREE possibilities:

1) That everything she said was accurate regarding her meeting with Eng, and that the Seattle FBI still stands by what Eng allegedly told her. I think this an UNLIKELY scenario, because the FBI has had the LD prints and items for DNA sampling for a long time now, and the only announced result was a no-match.

2) That everything she said about Eng was accurate, but that the Seattle FBI feels they got burned when it didn't pan out, or they discovered holes in her story, or the family would not corroborate, and the FBI is now saying nothing. I think this is the MOST LIKELY scenario.

3) She made it all up from the start about Eng and the Seattle FBI's position. I think this is the LEAST likely scenario. She could actually get into trouble for that, or...the FBI would have contacted her by now and told her to stop. Since she is still saying this on the latest podcast, I think it's true Eng may have said those things to her at one time. Whether he still has the same opinion today, no one knows.


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mrshutter45

Nov 13, 2012, 4:23 PM
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This video should answer some questions.
Take note of the house and LD's age in 1946

http://chic.clipsyndicate.com/...ction_in_sisters_ore


EVickiW

Nov 13, 2012, 5:05 PM
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Marla: Let's start by getting strait AGAIN about who was Dewey and who was LD since you seem to be having trouble with this. Dewey: Younger brother. Shiny bald head. Man on the ground. Drove the car. Did the talking on Thanksgiving morning. Dewey told me they had been in a wreck when I asked what happened to LD, who was wounded and bleeding in the passenger seat. LD: Guy with slicked receding dark hair and heavy duty sideburns. Didn't talk to me on Thanksgiving Day, just sat in the passenger's side of the (not wrecked) car while being badly wounded, which alarmed me. Bloody uncles in cars had been virtually absent from my life up until, and pretty much after, that morning. I know what I saw Thanksgiving morning. The car wasn't wrecked. When the Deschutes County Sheriff's Department produces a document stating my uncles were in an accident on that day, I will begin formulating my own conspiracy theories like maybe it was Kenneth Christiansen wrecking cars and claiming to be my Uncles! Kenny looks really happy.


Hmmmn....you would think someone would have caught the remark about L.D.'s heavy duty sideburns. Maybe he shaved them as a disguise and they grew back overnight.


mrshutter45

Nov 13, 2012, 5:35 PM
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Marla: Let's start by getting strait AGAIN about who was Dewey and who was LD since you seem to be having trouble with this. Dewey: Younger brother. Shiny bald head. Man on the ground. Drove the car. Did the talking on Thanksgiving morning. Dewey told me they had been in a wreck when I asked what happened to LD, who was wounded and bleeding in the passenger seat. LD: Guy with slicked receding dark hair and heavy duty sideburns. Didn't talk to me on Thanksgiving Day, just sat in the passenger's side of the (not wrecked) car while being badly wounded, which alarmed me. Bloody uncles in cars had been virtually absent from my life up until, and pretty much after, that morning. I know what I saw Thanksgiving morning. The car wasn't wrecked. When the Deschutes County Sheriff's Department produces a document stating my uncles were in an accident on that day, I will begin formulating my own conspiracy theories like maybe it was Kenneth Christiansen wrecking cars and claiming to be my Uncles! Kenny looks really happy.


Hmmmn....you would think someone would have caught the remark about L.D.'s heavy duty sideburns. Maybe he shaved them as a disguise and they grew back overnight.

Lots of things to be addressed with this story..

LD Cooper born 9/17/31 Dewey Cooper born 8/11/31
"Heavy sideburns"
LD was not a surveyor until after 1971
The home in Sisters was much to small for all of them to live in.
Granny was very ill from late 71 into 72
Landed just 6 miles from his home, sounds very similar to McCoy who landed 5 miles from his home.
they just had to go back into the woods and find the money, then in another interview she stated he landed on flat farmland.
the money should have been easily found?
people don't seem to remember him living in Sisters (was he ever there?)
Mom only backs Marla by stating "I always had a feeling"?
LD's last wife will not speak with anyone about this?

just seems strange that she was 8 years old and only seen him once a year but knows everything about him and yet he "disappeared" in late 1971? does she remember seeing him 8 times? I just find it hard to believe this all came flooding back in memory, how much memory is in 8 visits?

Marla states LD was "badly injured" and yet they don't wake the rest of the family and speak of this event?

it just looks like another story that sounds good until you dig into it. Cool


Farflung

Nov 13, 2012, 5:53 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzqiPvGrkTo

I’ve hinted about this before 377, but like to avoid the subject since it is in my past, and also view it as ‘common phuqing sense’. Any SAC Crewdog would back this up 100%, and without further qualification, which are required for everything uttered today.

What makes a person sit next to something that will wipe humanity off the face of half a continent, if a klaxon sounds? Total, absolute, and unfailing confidence in the system in which you are a mere cog.

Total and absolute, backed by the continuous demonstrated performance of those who are in the chain of decisions, which lead to a launch.

Total and absolute, should be the minimum requirement to bringing an end, to a nation, culture, race or even a single person. There was a false alarm set off in 1980, where a launch code was ‘mistakenly’ sent to the alert birds. They scrambled to the planes and to their shock, received actual launch codes. They fired the canisters and taxied to the hammerhead with the lead plane taking the runway before they were recalled. Starting an engine, without proper codes, was a career ending action. As in…. you were out of the service, resignation or not, and right after you finished serving some jail time. So for squadrons of planes to be cranking and heading for the active, meant Armageddon had in fact begun. Or so they were CONVINCED.

Try to imagine what it must have been like, for those guys rolling from the Christmas Tree to rotation, then the end of the world. Honestly try.

Now let’s set the stage just slightly differently, shall we? Oh dear, I do so ever hope I don’t cause any unwarranted butthurt, among the frail fanbois.

Let’s say the commander of SAC, was caught banging some colonel, who is the wife of some civy, who for reasons unknown, selected out of a pool of 6 billion people, a woman who is a volunteer at a nearby air force base, to target for harassment, who is married to a doctor. OK, let’s just play pretend and go wild with this one. I’m sure all the faint hearts and Polly Prissy Pants have fainted by now.

So the scandal just broke and there is a new commander appointed and, gawd damn it, wouldn’t ya just know it, the muther luving klaxon goes off.

Now what Crewdog?

Here’s where the deep thinker fanbois shit the bed.

As someone in the plane you would think:

A. The commies got wind of the scandal and attacked because they know we are vulnerable.

B. This has to be a joke because the command structure is a joke.

C. Screw it, we are mindless robots made out of meat, let’s go!

D. We all have the ‘final vote’ and when we are over target, I’m a NO PULL.

E. Gee it sure would have been good to think this out before we were unleashed to end the world.

F. A swift, public, harsh and decisive action would have mitigated this concern; I still have confidence in the system.

G. I still have a massive knob.

The fall of the Soviet Union appears to have led to the fall of some inner workings, which I thought were sure things in the American military. Boy do I see how incredibly fallible that belief system was, as demonstrated by the inexcusable conduct I’ve witnessed in the last seven days. Thank goodness SAC and alert is long dead and buried, because one of these psychos could have started the ‘Big One’ (a la Dr. Strangelove) and still had a group of fanbois cheering for the whole 43 minutes. Terrifying, simply terrifying. And its 2012. Perhaps the Mayans were right after all.


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 13, 2012, 5:58 PM
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It gets worse, Shutter. Let me quote some of your comments and respond to them:

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'The home in Sisters was much to small for all of them to live in...'

This could be moot. It was a Thanksgiving family gathering. However, even though LD was supposedly injured and bleeding for Thanksgiving, neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any part of her story, not even the comics on the wall story.

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'Landed just 6 miles from his home, sounds very similar to McCoy who landed 5 miles from his home...'

Yes, that was her original version of events. When the Tena Bar money became a 'problem' for her, she changed her story to a landing in Washington State. When the difficulty of negotiating wintertime Forest Service roads in a Brit sports car was brought up, she hinted they may have used a truck. Not only that, but she said the money ended up at Tena Bar because LD had a problem with the chute on the way down and dropped the money. (See her interview response below)

Marla: 'I agree with the theory that the money was dredged to the location where it was found. My dad told me LD dropped the money when he had a problem with the chute...'

What? I thought Marla said she was sure he landed in the Sisters area. Dropzone has now been shifted back to Washington in an attempt to fill in the void about the Tena Bar money.

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'...they just had to go back into the woods and find the money, then in another interview she stated he landed on flat farmland...'

Again, this is what happens when reality confronts her story. If the landing was in Oregon...how did the money end up at Tena Bar? Since she already went on the record with a different story to explain the money, ('he lost it on the way down' aka in the Tena Bar area or at least over WA state) it's a real problem. The problem with some of these statements is that she claims they are accurate. But they don't jive. She changes her story like a chameleon changes colors. It's almost as if she did some basic research on the case and then invented a story. But she didn't do ENOUGH research.

This happened to me on a few points during our investigation into Christiansen. Like the Scott reference, for example. Or not checking the dates the Cooper comic was actually published.

THESE are the reasons why she won't show at Ariel, or put forward a reasonable case at Dropzone. Her only motivation, as far as I can see, is a possible book contract/movie deal/fame. But she has absolutely no proof to any of her claims. Not a shred. In some of her interviews or reports done between August and December of 2011, she says a book is coming out. That was until her potential publisher dropped the idea. This happened, I beleive, right after the no-go results on the prints/DNA testing. Without that, she has nothing.

Who knows? Maybe the End of the World really WILL come before anyone solves the Cooper case. If there's an afterlife, my plan is to hunt down KC, Duane Weber, and anyone else on the suspect list and grill them until they crack.

Failing that, I will just fight the zombies right here. You know. The ones who come out after a Extinction Level Event. Got that from the film Deep Impact.Unsure


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Nov 13, 2012, 10:22 PM)


Amazon  (D License)

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Bring on those F%@$% Zombies man


MeyerLouie

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In reply to:
In reply to:
Jo, it's really not that hard to ask Miss Twisty Butt questions -- I was brand new to the forum at last year's Portland Symposium, I asked her 2 or 3 questions -- during her Q and A, no big deal, she answered all questions graciously and as thoroughly as she was able. I am confident she will attempt to answer any questions you throw at her. My questions were kind of weird, she just smiled and kept pushed on.
I am planning to be in Ariel on Saturday, 11/24, for a while anyway, earlier in the day. I wasn't planning on being in Portland that day, at the movie/Twisty Butt talk -- that would be a long day, with the drive and then the movie and then Ariel and then the drive back home. Is there anyone closer to Portland who wouldn't mind showing up to Marla's talk and taking notes and/or recording it? Might be good forum fodder.
MeyerLouie

Precisely why I threw this out there and offered the $100 on my part. I suppose even a rookie could take the questions and ask them and record her answers, but it would be better to have someone very knowledgable of all of the right come backs. Very good reason to have someone who reads or participates in this thread or knows the case well. Right now the only person I know who could do this - no longer lives in WA and the trip would be expensive.
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BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMEONE CLOSER TO PORTLAND WHO COULD CHECK THINGS OUT FOR YOU. I KNOW BETTER TO EVER UNDERESTIMATE YOU OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASE. ANY WAY I CAN EVER HELP YOU OUT, YOU KNOW I WILL... EVEN IF I AM JUST A ROOKIE. SO IS ANDREW LUCK, AND LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING! MeyerLouie


georger

Nov 13, 2012, 9:16 PM
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Quote:
'The home in Sisters was much to small for all of them to live in...'

This could be moot. It was a Thanksgiving family gathering. However, even though LD was supposedly injured and bleeding for Thanksgiving, neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any part of her story, not even the comics on the wall story.
Neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any
part of the very small house was hanging on the wall.

The UFO Blevins writes about might have been the
house coming and going ...

After landing in an English speaking part of French Canada, probably Iceland.

But not before 1974.

Its in the secret operant conditioning of all secret
siblings of which LD had four -


RobertMBlevins

Nov 13, 2012, 9:33 PM
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In reply to:
Quote:
'The home in Sisters was much to small for all of them to live in...'

This could be moot. It was a Thanksgiving family gathering. However, even though LD was supposedly injured and bleeding for Thanksgiving, neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any part of her story, not even the comics on the wall story.

Neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any
part of the very small house was hanging on the wall.

The UFO Blevins writes about might have been the
house coming and going ...

After landing in an English speaking part of French Canada, probably Iceland.

But not before 1974.

Its in the secret operant conditioning of all secret
siblings of which LD had four -
Righhhht. Crazy That made a LOT of sense.

When I suggest that your credibility might be suffering, that post is one of the reasons why. Unless it's just your way of telling everyone you believe Marla's story. In that case, you should stop waffling and say so. Can't have it both ways. Can't pick on the points against it without giving a reason. Or if you do, then it stands to reason you believe her. And if so...you should say why.

If you don't believe it's relevant that none of Marla's family members, who were Present and Accounted For on Thanksgiving...will verify even ONE piece of her tale...then you shouldn't even be investigating the case.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Nov 13, 2012, 9:42 PM)


Farflung

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For all the wicked smart people who are plugged into current events and themselves, did you know that Iceland, the sometimes Nordic nation and member of the European tectonic plate, wants to change their name? Of course you did, because you know everything!

http://www.usatoday.com/...es-new-name/1687333/


Well, I sent in my suggestion since the place is populated with blonde haired, svelte, cool blue eyed women and eleven dudes.

I like “The Righteous and Awesome Republic of Farflungia, home of the Midnight Jacuzzi”.

Just watch for some big assed name plates showing up on that semi-circular dais in the UN, and you’ll know, yes….. you will know.

Farflungia, Farflungia, uber alles….

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related



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skyjack71

Nov 13, 2012, 9:52 PM
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WinkGeorger, what side of the bed are you getting up on. Evidently it is the wrong side regardless of what side you sleep on.

Perhaps Blevins stating 1974 was in error - as NO ONE knows how that money got there.

You keep saying there will be a symposium in 2014 - It is scheduled for 2013 NOT 2014.

As for Grey backing Marla - who and what gave you that idea? As far as I know she has NOTHING to do with the Symposium in 2013. If the symposium actually comes down - I expect a lot of people will be disappointed.

This constant bickering over nothing is NOT helping the Cooper what-ever at all. In fact most of the posts recently have been self defeating.

Can't we all work together and get some sensible questions to be posed to Marla so WE can do the pros and cons on her the way we have all done Blevins and what little we know about Marla from the media and from the shindig last year.

My story has been taken apart and examined many times over the last 17 yrs. The same needs to be done to her story - but her story is so BLATANT that most of the answers are obvious. Blevins is not as bad as Marla - he does repeat the same things over and over, but [u when he is TRYING to be objective, but you go haywire for some reason.

Chill - you have made mistakes in posting dates, I have made mistakes and Blevins does. Most of us are thinking OFF the top of our heads and we have come to think in generalities - but, don't go ballistic over a detail that is incorrect to begin with...on your part and his part. Just move on.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 13, 2012, 9:57 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Nov 13, 2012, 10:16 PM
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In reply to:
For all the wicked smart people who are plugged into current events and themselves, did you know that Iceland, the sometimes Nordic nation and member of the European tectonic plate, wants to change their name? Of course you did, because you know everything!

http://www.usatoday.com/...es-new-name/1687333/


Well, I sent in my suggestion since the place is populated with blonde haired, svelte, cool blue eyed women and eleven dudes.

I like “The Righteous and Awesome Republic of Farflungia, home of the Midnight Jacuzzi”.

Just watch for some big assed name plates showing up on that semi-circular dais in the UN, and you’ll know, yes….. you will know.

Farflungia, Farflungia, uber alles….

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

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I don't know...if the North Atlantic current stops flowing due to freshening from a melting polar ice cap...then they will have to change it back to Iceland really quick. Cool

Seriously now. You want to ask Marla questions? You want a list? How about just ONE question:

Premise: Marla Cooper has testified that the following info came to her either directly from her father, by conversations she overheard, or by her direct observation:

Version 1: Her uncles trained with walkie-talkies, LD pulled off the hijacking, Uncle Dewey picked him up in a blue Triumph sports car. LD was hurt in the skydive. They had to go back and get the money. This happened near Sisters, OR. Most of Marla's early TV appearances and news articles quote this as her story.

Version 2: Her uncles trained with walkie-talkies, LD pulled off the hijacking, had trouble with the chute, got hurt, and lost some of the money on the way down somewhere around Tena Bar, or at least a lot further north than Sisters. Uncle Dewey picked him up either in the blue Triumph, or maybe a truck. This is the most RECENT version, and the one she gave for the Newsvine interview.

My question to Marla would be quite simple.

Which version is correct, and why?

FYI: Doug Kenck-Crispen of KickAss Oregon History has seen the Newsvine interview and Marla's Facebook screenshots. He's also been made aware there are TWO versions of Marla's story.

I'm going to tell you why I did this. People are (sometimes justifiably) hard on me about the KC investigation. To be honest, I would think it weird if they weren't. I just don't like it when they get too personal.

That same standard should apply to ANYONE who forwards a suspect.

Especially someone who says she is absolutely sure on the identity of the hijacker and how it was done.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Nov 13, 2012, 11:16 PM)


skyjack71

Nov 13, 2012, 10:41 PM
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MeyerLouie states:
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I am planning to be in Ariel on Saturday, 11/24, for a while anyway, earlier in the day. I wasn't planning on being in Portland that day, at the movie/Twisty Butt talk -- that would be a long day, with the drive and then the movie and then Ariel and then the drive back home. Is there anyone closer to Portland who wouldn't mind showing up to Marla's talk and taking notes and/or recording it? Might be good forum fodder.
MeyerLouie

Jo had posted:Precisely why I threw this out there and offered the $100 on my part. I suppose even a rookie could take the questions and ask them and record her answers, but it would be better to have someone very knowledgable of all of the right come backs. Very good reason to have someone who reads or participates in this thread or knows the case well. Right now the only person I know who could do this - no longer lives in WA and the trip would be expensive.

MeyerLouie repies:

In reply to:
BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMEONE CLOSER TO PORTLAND WHO COULD CHECK THINGS OUT FOR YOU. I KNOW BETTER TO EVER UNDERESTIMATE YOU OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASE. ANY WAY I CAN EVER HELP YOU OUT, YOU KNOW I WILL... EVEN IF I AM JUST A ROOKIE. SO IS ANDREW LUCK, AND LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING!


Question - WHO is Andrew Luck?

Actually think there should be someone from the thread and has kept abreast of what goes on here. One would think someone in the Portland and Vancouver area would be interested - but, I get the feeling this is just a big drinking fest of some sort.

A journalist from the area is a good shot. He might want to go just to do a story and if we provided him with the fodder (information) to blow her story that would be a plus.

I expect there are NO MORE investigative reporters the way it used to be. Now they go out and do a report on something and then they only move on. NO one wants to write about OLD stuff anymore....

This thread and a couple of internet places is as PUBLIC as I have gone since 2001 other than my trip in 2010 for 15 days. I didn't let the FBI or Cooper searcher know I was there until I the day I flew out. Sluggo almost let the CAT out of the BAG, because I emailed him and posted while on the road at the hotels providing a computer and free access. Of course I had to wait my turn, but that was a good thing (was afraid I would say something that would give my location away).

Beautiful country thru Oregon, Idhao and WA - it rain most of the time I was there and I got sick a couple of days and even on a good day I was only good for about 5 hours. Sluggo had offered to go with me - but, I wanted NO negative vibrations and it was SOMETHING I had to do for my own peace of mind.

Actually thought I would come home and be able to wash Cooper out of my hair, but the trip only made my memories even more vivid. The things I found that JT told me did NOT exist - made that trip worth while. I knew I was NOT making these places up - I remember what I see and I have always been that way (not every detail just the highlights)

The trip was enlightening as my memory had not taken into account time and space. Just the visual memories of the places he took me and talked about. Several times I almost gave up but I pushed forward and then I would see something I remembered. I had NO idea he had taken me as far North as he did on that trip in 1979, but it was all there.

I never found the place where the tower had been and I believe if I had found that I could have busted the case wide open. I believe the area was just going into the development stage in 1979 and the tower had been removed because it probable was abandoned and was an endangerment to hikers, hunters and/or kids who would venture into the area. (Finding the location of that tower would have answer so much up about Weber's background - who he worked for and what yrs he was there). That alone would have proved the FBI did NOT investigate Weber's background sufficiently.

The fact that he took me much further north than my mind could concieve on a map was a hinderance and I did NOT realize this until the last few days of the trip. I should have stayed and have confronted the FBI, but I will never get to do so now. Between the expense of such a trip and my health it is not feasible.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 13, 2012, 11:41 PM)


Amazon  (D License)

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member of the European tectonic plate

Well actually.......http://en.wikipedia.org/...ntic_Ridge_Fig16.gif


BruceSmith

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I'll be going to Ariel. Anyone else? I'd love to know who. Please let me know. Thanks.

brucesmith@rainierconnect.com.


RobertMBlevins

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I'll be going to Ariel. Anyone else? I'd love to know who. Please let me know. Thanks.

brucesmith@rainierconnect.com.

If it is THIS coming Saturday, then maybe. Next week, next Saturday, the 26th, is out. Mother in law showing up from California. I always forget which Saturday they run it...Smile


georger

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In reply to:
In reply to:
Quote:
'The home in Sisters was much to small for all of them to live in...'

This could be moot. It was a Thanksgiving family gathering. However, even though LD was supposedly injured and bleeding for Thanksgiving, neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any part of her story, not even the comics on the wall story.

Neither her sister, brother, or mother will confirm any
part of the very small house was hanging on the wall.

The UFO Blevins writes about might have been the
house coming and going ...

After landing in an English speaking part of French Canada, probably Iceland.

But not before 1974.

Its in the secret operant conditioning of all secret
siblings of which LD had four -

Righhhht. Crazy That made a LOT of sense.

When I suggest that your credibility might be suffering, that post is one of the reasons why. Unless it's just your way of telling everyone you believe Marla's story. In that case, you should stop waffling and say so. Can't have it both ways. Can't pick on the points against it without giving a reason. Or if you do, then it stands to reason you believe her. And if so...you should say why.

If you don't believe it's relevant that none of Marla's family members, who were Present and Accounted For on Thanksgiving...will verify even ONE piece of her tale...then you shouldn't even be investigating the case.
GEE Mr. Obvious.

Smurf 'n Turf.

Pound sand.

Speak your mind.

With Venom .

But dont shoot the moon.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

When I suggest that your credibility might be

suffering, that post is one of the reasons why.

Do you often repeat yourself?

Could be a sign of the Obvious. Mr. Obvious.

When I suggest that your credibility might be

suffering, that post is one of the reasons why.


(This post was edited by georger on Nov 14, 2012, 9:04 AM)


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