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skyjack71

Oct 23, 2012, 9:43 PM
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As we get further off topic and infighting becomes the central theme instead of a sideshow, the need for Snowmman's return, and Sluggo's too, becomes crucial.

Quade, enough time has passed. The septic pool needs a shot of chlorine.

377

I know people get tired of my Duane Story and when I try to stay neutral someone pulls me into the quick sand.

I need to learn just to make update posts about whatever I am doing regarding my search and NOT allow other posters to pull me in as I have lately. I do NOT need to be engaging anyone and allowing me to be distracted from what I am doing.

Tonight I came here because I have been re-visiting my little connection to Duane's brother.

He was VERY deaf and he wrote a 4 page story about Duane he sent to me for approval. I did not try to correct him on some mistakes because he added so many interesting tidbit about Duane. John was 13 yrs old than Duane - so I showed him the respect he deserved. The material he constructed his story with - most of it was copied and sent to me. There are some documents I do not have and I consider those the important things - but he didn't.

I have never shared (if my memory serves me correctly) excerpts from his 4 page summary of his brother.

The cover letter was dated Mar 1997. After he sent me the copies of his research materials we found lots of error especially in dates - but it was not important it was his story about his brother and I loved that brother even though I only actually got to see him and talk to him during a meal that was interrupted by his sister's heart attack.

I got to meet her before I left...the RELIEF on her FACE when she saw I was NOT the OTHER WOMAN she had met yrs before - spoke volumes. I am glad that even under the circumstances that SHE did learn I was NOT that WOMAN he had brought to her home.

In the 1st page he goes on about Duane's birth and his family. He mentions he did not live with his parents when his brother was born and he also mentions that prior to the depression his father work for Polson Rubber Co in Willouby, Ohio. He mentions he had lived in N.Y. and later in CA. It appears he may have been the reason his parents moved to CA in 1943.

He tells some stories about what happened after his brother came to CA in 1943 and some of the escapades Duane pulled. It is interesting how he refers to his brother and "Guest Hotels" (that was his word for prisons).

When he get to the part of the story about Camp Siebert and part of his story I have no supporting evidence for...so maybe he didn't send me copies of all of it.

He talks about Duane's stay in the NAVY, but it does not match the NAVY detail record that Doug and I obtain, but he states up front missing links and some fantasy and fiction on his part.

He refers to Duane as "over six foot and a handsome devil with whatever it took to attract the other sex".

The paragraph below is interesting:

"At the time, April 1943 I was stationed at Nashville Army Air Base, Nashville, Tennessee. A very good friend of mine, Frank A McArthur wrote to confirm this clown was my brother. There was a story that he had somehow taken the Commanding General's car for a Saturday night on the town. Probably true, Frank was rough character but not a carrier of tales."

Now you guy know I did NOT make that up! As I have been accused of doing in the past.


Then he talks about a marriage Duane had to a Daisy Schuler on July 23, 1943. Monroe, Co, Michigan and this fits what Sluggo found. Marriage certificate showed both as age 21 when the were barely 18.

The talks about 1943 when his wife of the day was picking Duane up at times from the Biltmore Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. He mentions there was more than one "Get together" but I am not sure what he is indicating with this. He mentions that Duane had borrowed her car (referring to his wife) and had a wreck of minor improtance.

There is recorded an address of Mrs. Duane Weber - 1500 East 61st, Chicago, Ill in 1945...and thinks this might be Edna

"In 1946 we receive a phone call fro a woman named Edna. This call came from Mesa, Az. She was in deperate circumstances and needed money to cover the borth of a child she claimed was fathered by Duane".

He does NOT state where Duane was in 1946, but believed him to be in the N.W. He also states there is no record of marriage. For some reason John thinks Duane told me to get in touch with her - but that did NOT happen. I personally thought and related to John that I thought the daughter should be found and made aware of the hereditary condition that was in the family. John WAS almost deaf when he and I were trying to communicate.

His hearing problem may have resulted in the statements about Duane having parachute training, but this was not communicated to me until 2004 after he contacted Tosaw. So exactly where John got the story is unknown.

I have previously related the circumstances regarding the death of this father and then the mother. His parents lived in Arcadia, CA.

After his father's death and living with his mother in 1957 Duane is using his mothers Late Model DeSota for his nightly episodes at a local bar in Duarte called "The Trails". He mentions "flooseys" as his mother claimed, but John called them "whores".

He tells a funny story (he personally had no memory of) about confronting Duane with a baseball bat and advising him it would be wise to leave his mother's home and not come back. Evidently Duane had been stealing from his own mother.

He goes on about driver's license and finger prints - but this was about Insurance Licenses and I corrected him, but do not know if he ever made the corrections.

He somehow heard New York Life when I mentioned Family Life and American Income. It made no difference in his telling of the story - he was an old man and if he wanted it to be N.Y. Life then let if be N.Y. Life. I was NOT going to correct this old man about the details...although in my copy I made notes about the error and the documents I had which Doug Pasternak and I acquired.

Then he talks about "the Fountainbleu in Miami, Florida. On Oct 22, 1962, the date President Kennedy warned the Soviet Union to discontinue the installation of Soviet missiles in Cuba. Thomas J. Roach, U.S. Army and nephew of Duane, had a conversation with him at the Fountainbleu bar".

This is documented about the Fountainbleu, but the FBI did NOT even contact the nephew.
Odd Place for Duane to be on that night! Right?

Duane is intouch with is sister in 1969. Duane never lets his sister know where he is although he does attempt to stay in contact with her. He mentions the FBI has traced the wife of 1969, but no other imformation available to him.


georger

Oct 23, 2012, 9:53 PM
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This website and thread now have Security Warnings
popping up all over the palce - all related
to something called ADTECH ! ???

"To help portect your security, Internet Explorer has
blocked this website from displaying content with
security certificate erros. Click here for options or
close the website."

This wbesite and thread have increasigly become
difficult if not impossible at times to open and
navigate ...

Georger


georger

Oct 23, 2012, 9:57 PM
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Blevins, I'd like to ask a favor. Would it be possible for me to be the referee in a UFC-style match between you and Georger?
You and Blevins are free to feltch all you want -

Without me.

It's stupid on its face.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 23, 2012, 10:04 PM
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This website and thread now have Security Warnings
popping up all over the palce - all related
to something called ADTECH ! ???

"To help portect your security, Internet Explorer has
blocked this website from displaying content with
security certificate erros. Click here for options or
close the website."

This wbesite and thread have increasigly become
difficult if not impossible at times to open and
navigate ...

Georger

Control Panel/Internet Options/Advanced tab:

Click on the Advanced tab and scroll down to the Security options. Uncheck the box on certificate revocation warnings. Leave the box checked for the one on server revocation warnings. There are a number of reasons why this certificate error warning happens in Internet Explorer. Most are harmless unless you don't know the website. It may have something to do with the ownership switch on the site. Then restart computer. I've left that box unchecked for years and never had a problem.


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377  (F 666)

Oct 23, 2012, 10:20 PM
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Would be nice if someone up-dated us on the status of Snowmman and Sluggo.

I too worry about Sluggo. My emails have gone unanswered.

Snowmman is doing fine. He is currently applying his considerable intellect to a cutting edge tech project. I don't even know if he'd return here if allowed, but I'd sure like to find out. A keystroke and some forgiveness is all it would take Quade.

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RobertMBlevins

Oct 23, 2012, 10:58 PM
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Would be nice if someone up-dated us on the status of Snowmman and Sluggo.

I too worry about Sluggo. My emails have gone unanswered.

Snowmman is doing fine. He is currently applying his considerable intellect to a cutting edge tech project. I don't even know if he'd return here if allowed, but I'd sure like to find out. A keystroke and some forgiveness is all it would take Quade.

377

I have asked Snownman the same question by PM. His reply was: 'Why the hell would I want to do that?' (return to Cooper thread at DZ)


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377  (F 666)

Oct 23, 2012, 11:39 PM
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Blevins wrote
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I have asked Snownman the same question by PM. His reply was: 'Why the hell would I want to do that?' (return to Cooper thread at DZ)

I think if Orange 1 asked him to return, he might. They had some good synergies around SE Asia topics.

Speaking of O, tell us O if you are still reading even if not posting.

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skyjack71

Oct 23, 2012, 11:40 PM
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This website and thread now have Security Warnings
popping up all over the palce - all related
to something called ADTECH ! ???

"To help portect your security, Internet Explorer has
blocked this website from displaying content with
security certificate erros. Click here for options or
close the website."

This wbesite and thread have increasigly become
difficult if not impossible at times to open and
navigate ...

Georger

I am having the same kind of problems but NO warning. The navigation to the site is almost impossible. I have to sign in 2 or 3 or 4 time to get on and then I loose the site after a few minutes. It is not the computer - I don't think. The operator (me) maybe!


RobertMBlevins

Oct 23, 2012, 11:59 PM
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Blevins, I'd like to ask a favor. Would it be possible for me to be the referee in a UFC-style match between you and Georger?

You and Blevins are free to feltch all you want -

Without me.

It's stupid on its face.
No one's feltching. Even though we've had our differences, I do respect your efforts on the Cooper case. You have to give people their due, even when you don't agree with them sometimes.

I have a certain basic position on the whole case. Yes, because of my work I do believe Christiansen should be investigated by the Seattle FBI. Do I think for sure he was the guy? No. Am I open to reasonable evidence on other suspects? Yes. Will I question that evidence if it appears weak? Also yes. Will people question evidence I present? Of course they will. Are they right to question it? Yes.

I don't understand how these positions are unfair to some folks.
They seem fair to me.


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Farflung

Oct 24, 2012, 8:17 AM
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Not really. It is a wicked simple question about the most banal of subjects, from a claim RobertMBlevins was more than happy to publish on the ‘world wide web’.

What’s the name of the ‘facial recognition’ software which RobertMBlevins AND Skipp claim they used to do their analysis of Kenny’s photo? That’s all.

Later I’ll get into ‘confidence scores’, reliability protocols, blind testing, image normalization, sample matrices and all the other yawn inducing elements, which will have some crying about relevance to Cooper or being ‘off topic’ as a foil to advance some poorly (I mean poorly) veiled agenda.
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georger

Oct 24, 2012, 12:01 PM
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Not really. It is a wicked simple question about the most banal of subjects, from a claim RobertMBlevins was more than happy to publish on the ‘world wide web’.

What’s the name of the ‘facial recognition’ software which RobertMBlevins AND Skipp claim they used to do their analysis of Kenny’s photo? That’s all.

Later I’ll get into ‘confidence scores’, reliability protocols, blind testing, image normalization, sample matrices and all the other yawn inducing elements, which will have some crying about relevance to Cooper or being ‘off topic’ as a foil to advance some poorly (I mean poorly) veiled agenda.

well its the same-ole same old! Blevins has been
full of CLAIMS right from the start. It began with the
Cooper comic at Shemya. Now it is: facial recognition
software & 'I have an early email from Tom Kaye
which would embarrass Kaye, Georger, Blevins
himself, and a thirty assorted other Pharisees.

Then, in the perfect Asshat Defense, Blevins asserts
himself out in front of everyone saying: "no criticism
allowed - that's personal". Most children learn to find
a better defense by age three, but this is Dropzone
which has no parents - only soap opera stars in a
failed apartheid run from South Africa!

Well fine. That is the world of smurfs we live in. Let
Blevins claim away. Play it again, Sham Wow. It's
Blevins selling pots 'n pans, with 377 cheering
asking more blood and entertainment dot dot dot.

Everyone in the Cooperphelia has an Asshat
Defense! With plenty of ADTECH popups to soil the
page, but you have RobertMBlevins the I.T. expert
now, like Icarus flying on stubs of chicken wings.

Blevins has even arranged things so if you get
kicked out of the Ward, you will never get back in,
and your medical coverage is eliminated! That is
quite an accomplishment by some guy in an old
mini van, from some apartment in Seattle!

And we thought Seal Team VI and al -Qaeda were
dangerous. Think again! Maybe you will wake up
tomorrow with a horses head on an email, on the
pillow next to you, sent from Blevins and ADTECH,
delivered by some skydiver in the middle of the
night who flew down your chimney, while the FBI and
Lyle Christiansen were Sleepless in Seattle ?

The other assorted characters: Geoff Gray, Tom Kaye
(it rhyms!), Marla Maples, See-Cret, Jo Weber, 377,
Snowmmm'mm'man, Sluggo-Crusho, Jerry Thomas,
SafecrackingPLF-RBV-LTD-NOP, 1963.334.998.745,
Mountain Man, etal .... all have Asshat Defensees.

Internet Reformation XIV is coming! Just one more
Apocalypse away - all words spell checked. Like a
telegraph key hooked to a window blind survivors will
trak around the globe under water, to find.

All of this has been written to charge Blevin's
batteries, so he can make it through ten more days
in his gulag - while slumming in the Cooperphelia.

Yawn ...
Laugh


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377  (F 666)

Oct 24, 2012, 3:00 PM
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Can we take a break and talk about something DBC related instead of trading insults?

How about dredging? Snowmman went really deep on this topic and so did Georger.

How about investigating whether the story about a debris field of currency shards around Tena Bar is fact or fiction?

How about figuring out where the Amboy chute came from. It was allegedly partially buried. I'd love to see if the attachment hardware on the lower portion of the risers if it was recovered. That would tell me a lot about what the chute might have been used for. If cuts were made to extract the canopy then some portion of the lines and risers are still buried and an excavation could be done. Was there a harness that remained in the ground?

I can find name calling and insults anywhere on the Internet. This used to be one of the few places where substantive DBC conversations took place. Now its just another net cesspool. Can we go back to substantive DBC dialogue once in a while? Non stop flaming gets pretty tiresome.

I wish Quade would look at inequalities in his ban decisions. People who have done worse than Snow, even after warnings and bans, are back on the forum. It must have been Snow telling Q to fk himself, which is admitedly rude and asking for trouble, but it doesnt, in my opinion, deserve an irrevocable permaban.

377


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georger

Oct 24, 2012, 3:22 PM
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Can we take a break and talk about something DBC related instead of trading insults?

377

Insults? To you maybe. Concrete facts, sociology,
and psychology to others ... based on actual real life
perfpormance in the Cooperphelia. You missed the
part where Gray calls it the "Cooper Curse" ? Hmmm.

Hmmm. Is anybody home in there? Reality check _
link to some geetar, spoons, & singing radio site.
Dah di dah dit?

This IS the level of dredging discussion ALLOWED!

I just work here.


georger

Oct 24, 2012, 3:34 PM
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How about investigating whether the story about a
debris field of currency shards around Tena Bar is
fact or fiction?
377
Wey'ulll ... people are at Tena Bar as we speak!
Didja know that? Paying hydrologistas and other
types. Ask Kaye & Blevins. They know all. Jo knows
all. Others know awls, and spades too.


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Farflung

Oct 24, 2012, 3:48 PM
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Don’t take this as an ‘insult’ 377, but that memory is failing you.

Dredging was soundly rejected by RobertMBlevins, Skyjack71 and a couple other hydrological experts some months ago (I dared ask that very question). Why do you want to go over something that has already been soundly discussed and ‘logically’ rejected, like walkie talkies? Hmmm…. well I’m too stupid to figure it out. Besides, what does dredging have to do with Cooper? Kinda frustrating having the same process used on what you bring up, when in fact it appears you’re trying to deflect on behalf of RobertMBlevins for some odd reason.

Did RobertMBlevins claim to use software as a way to confirm the validity of Kenneth Christainsen being DB Cooper? Yes/No?

Does Kenny have anything to do with Cooper? Yes/No?

If yes, do you want the claim verified or simply have the thread serve as some sort of hare-brained meeting place? Yes/No?

Is it your intention to simply stir the pot since over 100 pages of discussion involving Bob Knoss repeating the same data, over and over and over was not met with any protests from you? Yes/No?

Do YOU consider being deceived or manipulated insulting? Yes/No?

Doesn’t matter as I’ve already got the answer to my question, and several I hadn’t anticipated. You’ll notice (or not) that when someone wants to push something, they will repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat, without ever being asked (25 reasons why Kenny is Cooper, Duane is Cooper, Snowmman should be allowed back, It’s time for Snowmman to be allowed back, Blevins wouldn’t be picked on if Snowmman was on the thread, Don’t ask Blevins to answer that question before Snowmman is paroled, In light of the fact that today has the letter ‘Y’ in it, Snowmman should be allowed back, A kind, intelligent and large penised person would allow Snowmman back, I see someone used a vowel in their comment – it’s time to allow Snowmman on the thread, I’ll allow some continued discourse and deception to devolve into a cesspool, then use that as justification to demand the return of Snowmman, Haven’t we already discussed this, and by the way, this would be a good time to allow Snowmman back). But repeating all those subjects dozens and dozens of times is perfectly acceptable, apparently as long as you live on the corner of Duplicity and Hypocrisy.
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377  (F 666)

Oct 24, 2012, 3:57 PM
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farflung wrote
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and by the way, this would be a good time to allow Snowmman back). But repeating all those subjects dozens and dozens of times is perfectly acceptable, apparently as long as you live on the corner of Duplicity and Hypocrisy.

How did you get my home address Farflung?

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377  (F 666)

Oct 24, 2012, 6:43 PM
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I obtained some proprietary dredging spoils image comparison software and scanned my Cooper twenty. The software has confirmed that the Tena Bar money marks match the marks on spoils discharged by a particular Army Corps of Engineers dredge that was working a Columbia River section near Tena Bar not long before the money was found. Dredges, like guns, leave unique marks on the items discharged through their pumps and pipes. Makes sense. Wink

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Robert99

Oct 24, 2012, 8:22 PM
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I obtained some proprietary dredging spoils image comparison software and scanned my Cooper twenty. The software has confirmed that the Tena Bar money marks match the marks on spoils discharged by a particular Army Corps of Engineers dredge that was working a Columbia River section near Tena Bar not long before the money was found. Dredges, like guns, leave unique marks on the items discharged through their pumps and pipes. Makes sense. Wink

377
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skyjack71

Oct 24, 2012, 8:35 PM
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In reply to:
I obtained some proprietary dredging spoils image comparison software and scanned my Cooper twenty. The software has confirmed that the Tena Bar money marks match the marks on spoils discharged by a particular Army Corps of Engineers dredge that was working a Columbia River section near Tena Bar not long before the money was found. Dredges, like guns, leave unique marks on the items discharged through their pumps and pipes. Makes sense. Wink

377

So - do you have the dates and times and locations of that particular dredging being done?
Where did the dredging start and when was it near Tena's bar?

Hard to believe anything substancial could have been retrieved from that "20" you purchased.

As for me I am concentrating on the yrs between 1945 to 1948 and 1962 to 1964. The 5 unknown yrs.

I had 2 contacts regarding this today. The contact information had been held by others who felt they could so a better job than I could since they are not emotionally connected.

The involvement of the "others" may have triggered the recent activity or perhaps they are just being kind to an old lady. Will the information advance my cause? I don't know but it will provide ME with some PEACE of MIND.

In one case - I am the only one who knows what I am looking. Because of my memory (which is starting to fail), a name or address might mean something to me, but to NO one else. There may be NOTHING there, but I can HOPE there is a key to the past of Weber in those old files.

The other contact: I got the feeling they had been expecting me to call. The individual I needed to speak with was not available, but I was provided with a time of availability.

The individual who answered the phone may not have realized recent activity in to this matter may have been something no one was to discuss with me. Perhaps I am getting my hopes up for NO reason at all, but at least I know there is current activity regarding something I have been seeking for yrs. NO it is NOT the FBI.

The brief conversation gave me HOPE and when I speak to the intended person, perhaps it has nothing to do with the activity and enquiries I made a few months ago to a particular organization known to me only by chance.

The contact a few months ago I had backed away for fear of alienating them, but was told they (not FBI) were working on it. The information I relayed was passed on to 3 individuals who might remember what I was speaking of.

The contact I made today would be the only one to have any of the old records...and the only one who might have any proof of that which I had spoke of and had sought.

Yea, I am talking in circles but NO one cares what I say anyway.
Will it PROVE Weber was Cooper? Hell no! But it will validate something I have said for yrs. Will it make the FBI have to look a little harder? Well, if it doesn't then SHAME on them.

VERY TIRED! Good-Nite!


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377  (F 666)

Oct 24, 2012, 9:20 PM
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Jo wrote
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Yea, I am talking in circles but NO one cares what I say anyway.

Many of us care Jo, just few agree with your conclusions.

The dredge image comparison software was a joke, sort of a spoof on the face match software.

Stinging from my slap down by Farflung I opened my UC Berkeley Alumni magazine and there on page 61 it said on a banner: FARFLUNG get lost. Turned out that Farflung is a travel authors pen name and his monthly column is entitled "get lost".

Farflung often repeats his forum mantra too, but its worded so cleverly and differently each time that I can't possibly complain. That man should write for the New Yorker or some other popular journal of similar intellectual pedigree. He is so funny sometimes that I actually laugh out loud.

The rains have started so ill probably postpone my CB radio jump experiment until spring. Can't get that custom jumpsuit and new canopy all muddy. No no no. Maybe I'll invite Blevins to monitor my channel with his old Midland Walkie Talkie. Believe it or not I communicated about 900 miles on a one watt walkie talkie on the 10 meter ham band which is right next to the Citizens Band.

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RobertMBlevins

Oct 24, 2012, 9:39 PM
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Farflung says in part:

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'Dredging was soundly rejected by RobertMBlevins...'

What I actually said: I support the results of Tom Kaye's experiments on the money. And...that I believed him when he said he thought the money arrived at Tena Bar by 'non-natural means'.

That is, I thought what he posted on the Citizen Sleuths website made sense. Besides...who else has had access and a chance to run experiments? Some pretty intelligent folks were involved in that effort, frankly...a lot smarter than me. How would I 'reject' the dredging idea completely on my own?

Now, to be fair, I did bring up a point that I thought was important. I said it was unlikely that the money floated down the river because a total of $5,800 or so of the money was discovered in the same spot. I questioned how (roughly) three bundles of cash stayed together for that long trip down the river and ended up together. When I pointed this out to former FBI agent Fuhrman, he agreed with this concept. I asked him why the Seattle FBI never considered this when the money was discovered. He said they just didn't think of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a couple of other problems regarding dredging. First, the condition of the bills. Isn't dredging rather a rough process? Second, were not the bills found quite a distance up from the waterline, and beyond the area where the dredging spoils were dumped? These are not facetious questions, either. I never have done much research on the money find. Mostly, I have concentrated my efforts on interviewing people known by KC and doing a bit of document/photo research.


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skyjack71

Oct 24, 2012, 10:12 PM
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Stinging from my slap down by Farflung I opened my UC Berkeley Alumni magazine and there on page 61 it said on a banner: FARFLUNG get lost. Turned out that Farflung is a travel authors pen name and his monthly column is entitled "get lost".

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I think I would have busted out laughing also. Stanger things do happen.

Like the Walkie Talkie - experiments and I really do believe that is HOW Cooper walked out.

In 1971 would someone have been able to place a "device or receiver" in an auto and use that to know when to jump with a walkie talkie in those days.

Just something that has always bothered me. A car parked near Green Mountain just off 500 and on the Northside of 500...not too far from an old airport whose name I have forgotten. I is no longer there that I know of and there was a field not far from there jumpers used on that Northside of 500.

I have often wondered if there was a vehicle REALLY parked there at the time of the jump. And why would Weber have told me about the car and the jump field and the air strip - especially that one. Be he Cooper or NOT, he had an awful lot of knowledge of the area. He did NOT acquire that knowledge sitting in a prison cell.

This is my main focus - when was Weber there and what did he do while he was there. The answer to that question would answer a LOT of question I have in my mind. Was he just a grave digger? Was he just a prisoner digging graves and working the roads? What did he do in WA and why does the FBI have NO record of his time in WA?

If I can answer those question then I can put this down. The only other questions I would like answers to regard his activities from 1962 to 1964. The wife pretty much told me about 65 to early 72 - if one can believe all she said.

Like Max told me - "his contact" was usually 3 sheets in the wind and the voice seemed to match his memory of the callers teasing mannerism. Regardless only Max knows if he was telling me the truth. Sure wish he was around to hear what has been going on the last few yrs - he would probably have come out of retirement to have done another book.

A higher being wanted him to be with his beloved wife (THAT man LOVE that woman). When he talked about her - you could hear it in his voice. Not many people ever experience what the two of them shared - he told me things I would never share with the world and I really wish I could have had the opportunity to meet this interesting man. His devotion to her was amazing - you could hear it in his voice and with his words. He never remarried after her death because no woman could ever have held a candle to her. They had an amazing journey together.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 24, 2012, 10:44 PM
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Radio, radio...who has the radio? How in the hell are you going to effectively coordinate with anyone on the ground using a CB device? It's night. The flight path goes over territory as black as the ace of spades. What roads will you direct a person to pick you up? Have any of you actually TRAVELED the backcountry on Forest Service roads in Western Washington? I've been doing it since 1970. The jet is moving at three miles a minute. A mile EVERY TWENTY SECONDS. You can't see Forest Service roads at night from ten thousand feet, or even a thousand feet.

I believe it's much more likely the hijacker was planning on jumping not over the forests south of Merwin Lake, but farther north. You know, closer to civilization. A possible clue to this might be that Cooper asked to take off with the stairs down. Doesn't sound like he planned to stay aboard long. If Cooper had help, he probably just looked around on the way down after he jumped, maybe saw some lights somewhere below, and tried to hike out in that direction after he landed. Then maybe a stop at the nearest pay phone. They were everywhere back then. Every country store, streetcorners in the small towns and villages, taverns, gas stations, who the hell knows. But they were prolific.

A CB radio might be dangerous. It's a public band and was heavily used back then. A communication between the hijacker and a possible accomplice probably would have to go on for quite a while, too. Just to establish to the accomplice where the heck you actually were. When Amelia Earhart vanished, all sorts of folks reported hearing signals from her. Did anyone do this in the Cooper case for CB traffic?

IMHO it's MUCH more likely that the accomplice was waiting in a location known to BOTH persons, a pre-arranged spot, and not in the woods. In other words, a place where...if you found your way back to civilization, a main road, a small town...you could get your bearings and then make a phone call.

Farflung: The facial recognition and overlay was done by Skipp Porteous. I don't know the software they used or the process. I'm not going to go to the trouble of asking him how they did the overlay and then come back here to answer your question.

You want to know? Ask him yourself. Of course, this means you'll have to go public because he probably won't answer unless you ID yourself at least minimally. His email link is on his website at Sherlock Investigations.

*Edited on request from person w/o manners. See below for details* Wink


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georger

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Georger: The facial recognition and overlay was done by Skipp Porteous. I don't know the software they used or the process. You have no manners, so I'm not going to go to the trouble of asking him how they did the overlay and then come back here to answer your question.

You want to know? Ask him yourself.
I am Georger not Farflung. I havent said squat about
facial recog. software. I have no manners and so
dont confuse people's posts - only people with
manners do that. Wierd werld.


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Jo I don't think you could use CB radio to communicate an exit point. Too many variables and CB radios wouldn't work well inside a jet fuselage. Forget any automatic beacon device to signal an exit point as impaired reception inside an aluminum fuselage would preclude its effective use.

I do, however, think that an accomplice located on a high peak within 15 miles of the LZ could communicate with DBC post parachute landing. It's just a hypothesis. Zero evidence that radio was used. Well, at least no evidence that I find credible. Marla says CB walkie talkies were used. Someone needs to do some more radio research with her, at night, in the woods. I nominate Farflung.

I don't think DBCs hypothetical radio comms would sound especially suspicious before people knew about the skyjack. He and his accomplice could make it sound like hunters or campers arranging a rendezvous.

A trick I used with a childhood friend to prevent CB eavesdropping was for one of us to switch crystals to do cross band comms. Only one side of our conversation could be heard on one channel.

Why my obsession with radio? Dunno. It's always intrigued me.
What else can go through walls at the speed of light and remain silent unless detected and demodulated by a receiver?

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