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RobertMBlevins

Oct 20, 2012, 12:50 PM
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Yeah...canoes. They are a no-go for me. I had a 17-foot fiberglass canoe for exactly two weeks.

Bought it for less than $300, took it out once, and figured out right away the damn things are UN-FRICKIN-SAFE. (*laughs*)

It was a white canoe.

So NOW its: Blevins vs. Canoe! Canoes are
inherently unsafe and must be eliminated from
the Earth!

All Umiaks take notice! Your days are numbered.

But the Earth is a spherical section alzo!

All Earthlings take notice! Your days are numbered.
(staring with all lifeforms living in vallies)

Max nix. Crazy

Nah, they don't need to be eliminated from the Earth. Just from my own life, which I did (while making a decent profit) when I sold the thing.


Farflung

Oct 20, 2012, 1:08 PM
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This little video will no doubt divide the viewing audience into two separate, but unbalanced camps:

http://www.youtube.com/...o&feature=relmfu

Yes this is the same spot where the motorcycle crashes were being filmed. So I’m going out on a limb here and predict that birds of a feather, flock-up together. I know that most people view this as ‘awesome’ and ‘uber XD’ because if that feedback didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be these behaviors, let alone videos.

Putting a rotary wing airframe, through those maneuvers, above a group of people that are totally unaware of the risks is ridiculous from my viewpoint. But hey, no one got hurt, so what’s the foul? If only I was allowed to ‘shoot at, and miss’ every person who has said, written or thought those words. I’ll bet 100% of them would get the point. It is knowing what could happen, and has happened, which is the advantage someone in the ‘biz’ has over all the shoe clerks and 600 hour CFIs. So I did a little search.

N4177R is registered to a company named ‘Air and Land Ventures Inc.’ and would you believe they have a crash to their credit?! I know; I must be psychic or other worldly, where past histories and tendencies are used as a measure, in assessing risk and the likely outcomes of events in the future. Why can’t everything be treated as chance based or unique? There’s simply no reasonable, fact or logic based way to ever tell.

Hey! That means that Cooper had just as much of a chance of going up as he did heading towards the ground, when he stepped off those stairs. How else can you explain that he hasn’t been discovered? You can’t, because he floated. This is confirmed by the lack of fingerprints, since you would not need to touch anything if you had the power of flotation. Where are the cigarette butts? Well they went with Cooper since floating people’s fingers leave behind oils that make things they touch float, so the cigarettes floated out the door. Now I realize I just said that people who float don’t need to touch things, but that’s old news and I would rather move forward here and keep on subject. Why did Cooper pick a dummy parachute and ‘jump’? Just another blatant piece of evidence which proves he floated. In fact, he tore the emergency placard off the wall and threw it out as an example of what won’t float. Open your brains and just think for once. Everyone is so close with the money, it has been scientifically proven to have -NOT floated. Exactly…. money and placards won’t float; Cooper, cigarettes and dummy parachutes by definition and evidence, must float. All in the name of science.
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RobertMBlevins

Oct 20, 2012, 1:30 PM
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I agree that flying a heli in that manner is a bit dumb. At 1:53 it looks like he almost clips a boulder with the main rotor, although that could be trick of the eye regarding depth of field from the video.

Also looks like he had a bit of a load going, with at least three people on board. (?)


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Amazon  (D License)

Oct 20, 2012, 4:12 PM
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I agree that flying a heli in that manner is a bit dumb. At 1:53 it looks like he almost clips a boulder with the main rotor, although that could be trick of the eye regarding depth of field from the video.

Also looks like he had a bit of a load going, with at least three people on board. (?)


Like I said


Farflung

Oct 20, 2012, 4:57 PM
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This would be a good exercise for Cooperland as you don’t have to ‘guess’ about much with a few sources and references. This ‘WILL’ be different than the usual ‘because I said so’, ‘I’m always truthful’, or ‘I’ve got twenty years experience and the rest of my life to bore everyone to death’ reasons which remain astonishingly popular. So what constitutes aerobatics in the USA?

From the book of ‘Big Brother’:

“14 CFR 91.303
Aerobatic Flight
No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight—

(a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement;

(b) Over an open air assembly of persons;

(c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;

(d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;

(e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or

(f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.

For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight.”



What did Captain Skygod do that may (just may) have violated that reg?

(b) He was over an open air assembly of persons, who else would take a video of you?

(d) He was within 4 nautical miles of V-107 (virtually under it).

(e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet AGL is certainly one he busted.

Along with the general definition of aerobatic flight being an abrupt change in attitude NOT necessary for normal flight. Oh dear, it looks like he was engaged in aerobatic flight with PAX. Could there be more?

Holy Bat Violation! FSDO-man! Someone also forgot about 14 CFR 91.307, which outlines when parachutes are required for PAX, in Paragraph (C), line (2) “ A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon.” My dear, did that Robinson exceed 30 degrees in pitch attitude? I’m frightened and somewhat engorged.

No one is a bigger supporter of the ‘Kill Yourself’ ethos, than I. It’s too bad that these monsters don’t understand this and try to kill other people, which results in higher costs, more regulations, more insurance and a hell of a lot less personal freedom.

I’ve never seen a race where vehicles travelled in opposing directions, including demolition derbies. Yet this takes place on public roads every day because some dork, can’t just- kill himself, he has to take out or cripple some others along the way.

I’ve never seen an un-trained, commercial pilot who could claim ignorance of the parameters for aerobatic flight and the requirements for PAX to wear chutes. But it sure appears to have happened in that video with a load of unsuspecting shoe clerks, testing the limits of that rotating mass. But it looks cool and fun, so do it, and film it. No consequences or downstream considerations, it’s all about YOU and that’s all that matters. That’s why it’s called the YOUniverse, just like your mommy told YOU.

So there’s a little exercise on how to observe, measure and objectively arrive at some conclusion, which should be very similar to the result from another person validating the same data set. No need for lobbying or sending PMs, because the ‘truth’ will always have your back. Lies will always bite you there instead.
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RobertMBlevins

Oct 20, 2012, 5:28 PM
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This video shows do-it-yourself stuntman Jim Bailey of Australia going up for a non-scheduled freefall. Or maybe he just didn't want to pay the jump fee. (But WAIT...he forgot the chute anyway!) Crazy

The lame commentary at the end doesn't help. I'm not a skydiver, but I think a chute attached to a static line (The Just in Case Department) may have helped more than the end comments...


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skyjack71

Oct 20, 2012, 10:33 PM
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Tommy Gunn
Tony Wong
Ray Griffin
Ex-wife

4 people who knew Duane Weber as John Collins and yet the FBI only spoke to one of them that I am aware of.

Tonight has been a bad night.
Feel completely helpless and at the mercy of a bunch of Jerks.

Tommy Gunn - a man who really existed and not the fictional person Knoss whipped up in his mind, but a real person who owned property and who had an address and was alive when I first contacted the FBI. The man who Duane told me was very dangerous. What was Tommy Gunn's connections to Duane Weber as John Collins 1962 to 1968.

What was the camp that Tony Wong and Duane Weber shared in common and why did he know him as John Collins.

Ray Griffin a man Duane went to see 2 times during our marriage and both times alone....from what little I know - he also knew Duane as John Collins.

Duane had a large 2 carat plus Marquis Diamond ring - I was with him when he bought that ring in the 1980's in St. Thomas.
It was NOT stolen. How did he have the money to pay for such a ring? He also bought me a ring at the same time, but not a diamond. The Jewelry store was one of the well knowns in St. Thomas.

The records I am seeking will show addresses for Duane from 1943 to 1949 - those missing yrs.
The FBI does NOT even know these records exist. This is the only way I can state this so as NOT to reveal the source who refuses to help and this I do not understand.

Why did the FBI lie to me about the Army record and the McNeil file. Where they that careless in their investigation of Weber?
How much misinformation does the FBI have about Weber or Cooper?

"Cooper was a VERY SAD man" was never told to Carr and yet he used this for as his own. Tina told me this - it came from no one else and was never a part of any interview Carr had nor was it part of the official records.

Tonight is a very SAD night and I feel completely helpless and this forum has been a waste of time and energy. None of you even listen or try to understand what I have been telling. Yet, you refer to me as not being up front or of creating a "story". I would be pretty damn difficult for anyone of you to be as consistent as I have been for 17 going on 18 yrs.

You know why that is? Because I speak from my heart and what I know and what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.
No one has been where I have been - no one. Things other people state are hearsay or what they conjure up in their minds or plant in the minds of others - I call it Throwing Shit on the Wall.

I am the only living soul who can tell this story, but it falls on deaf ears because the public will only be satisfied with some kind of endless mystery - one with no answers.

Yea, you are right I am crying my heart out right now and NO I am not delusional nor have I made this up. I have fell into the what-if's as anyone would have after 17 yrs, but I know what is real and what is not.

If Duane WAS NOT Cooper he damn sure knew who was, but because of the personal things I witnessesed over the yrs such as the Night Mare and What he told me in the Hospital - there is NO WAY he was making any of it up.

He went to great lenghts to protect me from his past - WHY?
Yes, I know he loved me, but WHY? WHY did he share with me this secret? WHY? He was trying to tell me who he really was and I was just to naive and uninformed to understand what he was telling me. He knew my character and how I was raise. He knew he would mean spending the rest of his life in a cell - so he had to wait until the end, but I didn't understand what he was trying to tell me.

None of you care about the truth, just the Legend!


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Robert99

Oct 20, 2012, 11:05 PM
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In reply to:
Tommy Gunn
Tony Wong
Ray Griffin
Ex-wife

4 people who knew Duane Weber as John Collins and yet the FBI only spoke to one of them that I am aware of.

Tonight has been a bad night.
Feel completely helpless and at the mercy of a bunch of Jerks.

Tommy Gunn - a man who really existed and not the fictional person Knoss whipped up in his mind, but a real person who owned property and who had an address and was alive when I first contacted the FBI. The man who Duane told me was very dangerous. What was Tommy Gunn's connections to Duane Weber as John Collins 1962 to 1968.

What was the camp that Tony Wong and Duane Weber shared in common and why did he know him as John Collins.

Ray Griffin a man Duane went to see 2 times during our marriage and both times alone....from what little I know - he also knew Duane as John Collins.

Duane had a large 2 carat plus Marquis Diamond ring - I was with him when he bought that ring in the 1980's in St. Thomas.
It was NOT stolen. How did he have the money to pay for such a ring? He also bought me a ring at the same time, but not a diamond. The Jewelry store was one of the well knowns in St. Thomas.

The records I am seeking will show addresses for Duane from 1943 to 1949 - those missing yrs.
The FBI does NOT even know these records exist. This is the only way I can state this so as NOT to reveal the source who refuses to help and this I do not understand.

Why did the FBI lie to me about the Army record and the McNeil file. Where they that careless in their investigation of Weber?
How much misinformation does the FBI have about Weber or Cooper?

"Cooper was a VERY SAD man" was never told to Carr and yet he used this for as his own. Tina told me this - it came from no one else and was never a part of any interview Carr had nor was it part of the official records.

Tonight is a very SAD night and I feel completely helpless and this forum has been a waste of time and energy. None of you even listen or try to understand what I have been telling. Yet, you refer to me as not being up front or of creating a "story". I would be pretty damn difficult for anyone of you to be as consistent as I have been for 17 going on 18 yrs.

You know why that is? Because I speak from my heart and what I know and what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.
No one has been where I have been - no one. Things other people state are hearsay or what they conjure up in their minds or plant in the minds of others - I call it Throwing Shit on the Wall.

I am the only living soul who can tell this story, but it falls on deaf ears because the public will only be satisfied with some kind of endless mystery - one with no answers.

Yea, you are right I am crying my heart out right now and NO I am not delusional nor have I made this up. I have fell into the what-if's as anyone would have after 17 yrs, but I know what is real and what is not.

If Duane WAS NOT Cooper he damn sure knew who was, but because of the personal things I witnessesed over the yrs such as the Night Mare and What he told me in the Hospital - there is NO WAY he was making any of it up.

He went to great lenghts to protect me from his past - WHY?
Yes, I know he loved me, but WHY? WHY did he share with me this secret? WHY? He was trying to tell me who he really was and I was just to naive and uninformed to understand what he was telling me. He knew my character and how I was raise. He knew he would mean spending the rest of his life in a cell - so he had to wait until the end, but I didn't understand what he was trying to tell me.

None of you care about the truth, just the Legend!

Jo, As one of the "bunch of jerks" you refer to above, there are plenty of illegal ways that Duane could have acquired the money he used to pay for the diamond ring, lend money to his boss, and other such things. Such as utilizing his "shoplifting vest" or just robbing a gas station or a convenience store.

You mention the "nightmare" in which you claim Duane made a remark that he had left his fingerprints on the "stairs". Those stairs could be the stairs in some building that has nothing to do with the hijacking.

Why do you think that Cooper wanted to get his original hijacking note back? Maybe his fingerprints were on it.

Duane was a career criminal and not a very good one according to his 26+ arrests and lengthy prison times. He was not just a good boy who make a minor mistake while head home from choir practice.

You are free to believe anything you want about him. But you have not presented anything, except your version of conversations with him, to tie him to the Cooper hijacking.

Robert99


georger

Oct 20, 2012, 11:11 PM
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Tommy Gunn
Tony Wong
Ray Griffin
Ex-wife

4
Stella
Wolfgang
Four Eyes
Cheknee Canoe
Tonto!
Mrs. Quan
Hsaing Chan
Tommy Tooth
Betty Butt
Big Byrd
Rothstein
Gilbert the Golash
Terry 'Dog' Smith
Appendectomy
Marshall Stern
Lose Change
Vera
Minny
Molly
Barbara Grate
RobertMBlevins
Jane Fondu
Madolyn Monroe
Clara Arrow
Gadzooks Whale
Kollar Bone
Boner Smiley
Tipsy Toote
Tina Marvel
Betty Boop
Harry Schlam
Ralph Boeing
Jimmy G. History
En Surance
For Rum
Edith Message
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mrshutter45

Oct 20, 2012, 11:51 PM
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Jo, you are really sounding a lot like Knoss!
"None of you care about the truth," all you left out was "bite me"

You have so many hurdles to get over.
fingerprints were negative (all 26 prints)
DNA was negative.
1968 photo looks nothing like the sketches and was taken 3 years before the crime.

The FBI needs good solid leads to move forward, not things like why he was released
from prison before his sentence was up.

If they didn't have strong evidence pointing to Duane, they would skip a lot of people
they would have talked too.

IMHO Duane does not fit the profile, a thief having large sums of money is a no brainer
for anyone to figure out.

If you can't get past us "jerks" how in the world do you think the FBI will take this story?
I think that answer is already known. Jo I give you a lot of credit for hanging in so many
years but you have not ahown anything of value IMO.
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skyjack71

Oct 20, 2012, 11:57 PM
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Jo, As one of the "bunch of jerks" you refer to above, there are plenty of illegal ways that Duane could have acquired the money he used to pay for the diamond ring, lend money to his boss, and other such things. Such as utilizing his "shoplifting vest" or just robbing a gas station or a convenience store.

UnsureI do not believe the belt or whatever it was his wife made for him was a "shoplifitng vest" as you guys mentioned and Duane never robbed a gas station or convenience store. It is my understanding he wooed women and then left with their valuables.

Or he relieved them of valuables after acquiring their room keys left under a beach towel.


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You mention the "nightmare" in which you claim Duane made a remark that he had left his fingerprints on the "stairs".


UnsureHe specifically said AFT STAIRS and if you remember I questioned him as to what AFT stairs was? This was only 3 or 4 months after we got married and were living in Denver, Co. His explanation of AFT stairs was the first knowledge and only knowledge I had of Duane's criminal past until 12 yrs into the marriage. He said it was the stairs in a jail - he just said he got in some trouble with a couple of guys and spent some time in jail (I assumed county jail and a couple of months and that he was real young).

Where the hell do you think Cook hijacked his fingerprint story from - his conversations with me.

The FBI never discussed Duane's criminal activities with me so I have no idea other than theft what he was in prison for. At what might be the end of someones life they get just a little smarter.
He had screwed up his life and now his future (1971) was bleak and there was NO way out except to do the BIG ONE and if he died then he would not suffer for yrs on the streets and/or the prison system would provide his medical needs to him.



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You are free to believe anything you want about him. But you have not presented anything, except your version of conversations with him, to tie him to the Cooper hijacking.

Nor has the FBI presented anything to me about John Collins or Duane Weber's records.
What other version would I have of Weber other than his conversations with me and what I have learned about him since I called the FBI in 1996.

The things I have presented are of course my versions of conversations with him - but I have relayed the conversations as accurately as I could - I have tried to be very honest and forthright. I repeatedly have mentioned the VAN and the fact that I believe there was more in that VAN than what I was told. The man who bought it gave me 2 different versions in less than 10 days. I felt the FBI should have questioned the wife also and have required them to submit to a lie detector test - 2 yrs had lapsed from the purchase of the van and when the FBI went to interview him.

It was LOCAL FBI knew very little about Cooper nor did they question why Duane obtained and how he obtained a legal Florida Drivers License under John C. Collins...as this was in the contents of the found wallet.


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skyjack71

Oct 21, 2012, 12:29 AM
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That pic is really bad and shows NO detail at all. Had I not have been told it was Duane I would not have known. It was provided by the exwife and I do not even know when or where it was taken.
Perhaps you shoud use a better picture on which to base your judgement of appearance.

Like I said - even I would NOT have recognized Duane from that shot had I not been told it was him.

Why don't you use one that was taken in 1970. Attached!

It is labeled 1971, but it has 1970 written on the back. Was provided by his prior wife.

I have included pics some of you have never seen.

The last one was made in 1968 and it has the ex-wife on the corner, but the pic is very very poor quality because I had to crop him out of the photo as there were others in the shot.

There is another one I have never scanned that the ex sent me that was taken about the same time as the one labeled 1968 - again very low quality and there are others in the photo but I will dig it out of the fire safe on another day.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 21, 2012, 12:31 AM
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Tommy Gunn
Tony Wong
Ray Griffin
Ex-wife

4

Stella
Wolfgang
Four Eyes
Cheknee Canoe
Tonto!
Mrs. Quan
Hsaing Chan
Tommy Tooth
Betty Butt
Big Byrd
Rothstein
Gilbert the Golash
Terry 'Dog' Smith
Appendectomy
Marshall Stern
Lose Change
Vera
Minny
Molly
Barbara Grate
RobertMBlevins
Jane Fondu
Madolyn Monroe
Clara Arrow
Gadzooks Whale
Kollar Bone
Boner Smiley
Tipsy Toote
Tina Marvel
Betty Boop
Harry Schlam
Ralph Boeing
Jimmy G. History
En Surance
For Rum
Edith Message
.
.
.
How much time did you spend thinking up all the names for that senseless list? Just wondering. And you expect people to take you seriously as someone who is 'investigating the DB Cooper case,' aka 'ALMOST' a member of the Citizen Sleuths Team?

Reality Check. You knew that was coming, right? The last time I brought up the Sleuths, you went off whining to Tom Kaye. Your credibility=ZERO.
No wonder they decided not to include you. Not a real surprise, you think?

If that doesn't get through to you, maybe you should just do THIS. Crazy

Failing that, there's not much else to say..Shocked

If I could play like Rick Nielsen, I'd die a happy man.


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mrshutter45

Oct 21, 2012, 5:48 AM
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Duane has very distinctive age lines on each side of his cheek and above his cheek seems "puffy" the only picture where
he looks like Cooper is your profile pic.

I took a picture of John List and got similar results (see photo) Duane also would of been blind as a bat if he didn't have his glasses on.
I think every picture of him shows him wearing glasses.

everyone on here has noticed that Duane was arrested 26+ times making it very hard for him to master mind the hijacking and get away
with it.

I lost count on the amount of States you have located Duane to have been in, why would it be a big deal that he was also in Washington
and Oregon?

Balloon Bombs = DB Cooper???
Duane Weber/John Collins = DB Cooper??
No AFIS in the 60's = DB Cooper??
Prison records = DB Cooper??

I just don't think the FBI is stupid enough to not realize they don't have the right prints for Duane. mistakes may have been made about
Duane's past, but, this still doesn't put him on the plane. sorry but this is what I think until you have better proof.
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Robert99

Oct 21, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Jo writes:

I do not believe the belt or whatever it was his wife made for him was a "shoplifitng vest" as you guys mentioned and Duane never robbed a gas station or convenience store. It is my understanding he wooed women and then left with their valuables.

Or he relieved them of valuables after acquiring their room keys left under a beach towel.

R99 replies:

Jo, this gets better every time you repeat it. Perhaps you could get a "soap opera", if such things still exist, to devote a segment or two to a story based on Duane.

How do you know Duane never robbed a gas station or convenience store or was a ladies man? Did he tell you that? If so, then it must be true. Did any of your jewelery or valuables disappear during your marriage to him?

Jo writes about the "nightmare":

He specifically said AFT STAIRS and if you remember I questioned him as to what AFT stairs was?

Where the hell do you think Cook hijacked his fingerprint story from - his conversations with me.

R99 replies:

The word "AFT" is a Navy, or nautical, term. While Duane may have worn a sailor's uniform for a short while, I seriously doubt that he would have learned much sailor lingo before he was discovered and booted out of the Navy. As I recall it, Duane didn't go to boot camp in the Navy. Non-nautical types would probably have referred to them as the "REAR STAIRS" unless they had read a book that used the term "AFT STAIRS".

I personally have not seen any writings from Galen Cook as far as I can remember. I may have read some "allegations" that others claim Cook wrote. But "allegations" don't place very high on my "reliable sources" index.

Jo writes:

The FBI never discussed Duane's criminal activities with me so I have no idea other than theft what he was in prison for.

Nor has the FBI presented anything to me about John Collins or Duane Weber's records.

The things I have presented are of course my versions of conversations with him - but I have relayed the conversations as accurately as I could - I have tried to be very honest and forthright.

It was LOCAL FBI knew very little about Cooper nor did they question why Duane obtained and how he obtained a legal Florida Drivers License under John C. Collins...

R99 replies:

Jo, I am sure you believe you could do a better job of running the FBI than J. Edgar Hoover and his successors. However, that is not the way the system operates.

I'll bet the FBI asked you for believeable evidence that would tie Duane Weber, aka John Collins and several other names, to any crime. Unfortunately, you did not have anything other than decades old conversations and a dead suspect.

As far as Duane being able to get a Florida drivers license under another name, think F-R-A-U-D. Florida drivers licenses are issued by the state of Florida and not the FBI. This was NOT a federal matter.

Robert99


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mrshutter45

Oct 21, 2012, 10:08 AM
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"As far as Duane being able to get a Florida drivers license under another name, think F-R-A-U-D. Florida drivers licenses are issued by the state of Florida and not the FBI. This was NOT a federal matter"

all the way into the 80's it was very simple to get multiple Driver's Licenses, I had two different ones, my brother was a truck driver and they used birth Certs from dead individuals and would run up the points on the license and then throw it away! it's impossible now to do this.

again nothing out of the ordinary with what Duane did (as a bad guy)


mrshutter45

Oct 21, 2012, 10:46 AM
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"It was LOCAL FBI knew very little about Cooper nor did they question why Duane obtained and how he obtained a legal Florida Drivers License under John C. Collins..."

back in the day, Forida as well as other states I'm sure didn't require picture ID for a drivers License, Birth certificate or S.S. card was enough, these could easily be changed
and the system was not up to date enough to catch these things. (100% Legal)

Duane moving around a lot tells me things were to hot in that area so he would move on. back then like you said yourself, each State might not know what you have done
in the past without a full check which could take long periods of time, so most didn't bother unless the crime was severe or valid enough to warrant the search. petty theft
and robbing little old ladies would not send the FBI out in a "Full Metal Jacket" looking for you.

Today it's a different story making it impossible to try a cover your tracks, you gotta get up pretty damn early to fool the screws today!!!Cool


Farflung

Oct 21, 2012, 10:47 AM
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All those stupid bikers crashing on a curve left me wondering if there was anything more ridiculous, which could be done on a motorcycle:

http://www.youtube.com/...8&feature=fvwrel

Losing control on a two wheeled vehicle and crashing into a parked one is truly as stupid as one can get.

http://www.youtube.com/...mp;feature=endscreen

Just like the old saying; Stupid people are like busses, just wait a little and another will come along and be bigger. Really, he lost control on four wheels and crashed into a group of motorcycles parked way off the road to be safe? I think the only safe place is in your home.

http://www.youtube.com/...o&feature=fvwrel

Wrong again. I even found another ‘Walter Mitty Easy Rider’ on a road from the east coast called the ‘Tail of the Dragon’. Much like Mulholland in California, it serves as an idiot magnet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6XT4B47vIU

OK, so I was wrong about the level of stupid, one person could produce earlier. This guy is an embarrassment to asshat wearing assclowns, from Astoria. What is the theoretical maximum for moronic behavior? Would it have helped if there was a cop car, with lights flashing, around a group of other cars, with people shouting and ummm….. how about a rock slide blocking the entire road for that extra, biblical, even God hates you touch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBmE92n5mEI

As the dust settles and the clouds part, behold the product of air bags, onboard computers, padded dashboards, ABS, seatbelts, On-Star, crumple zones, collapsible steering columns, inertial fuel shut-offs, energy absorbing bumpers, radial tires, disc brakes, head restraints, shoulder belts, laminated glass, un-leaded fuel and intermittent windshield wipers, which have collectively preserved the likes of this guy.

I hope these little videos will serve as a sort of visual salve to relieve the mental anguish resulting from reading about fingerprints which change, electric underwear that receives navigation signals, prison skydiving training, rivers that flow up-hill, FBI conspiracies, time travel, the inverse laws of Newton, vast global incompetence, hyperbole based bombast and the greater offenses due to appear in the next two pages of comments.


RobertMBlevins

Oct 21, 2012, 2:09 PM
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I saw this entire Darwin Award tale presented on Seattle television not long ago:

I call it, 'No problem, dude. You can just ride with me...' Crazy

Quote:
'CLYDE HILL, Wash. - Two motorcyclists are hospitalized in serious condition after they crashed not once but twice overnight on their high-performance motorcycles. A third rider also crashed in the incident but was not seriously hurt.

The Washington State Patrol says it appears alcohol and high speed may have been a factor in the crashes.

The chain of events began at about 12:30 a.m. Thursday as the three motorcyclists were riding together on the Highway 520 bridge. One of them skidded and crashed, so he crawled onto the back of his friend's motorcycle for a ride to the hospital.

The three motorcyclists turned around and headed east toward Bellevue on two motorcycles, and that's when they all wiped out again. They took a corner on Points Drive NE at high speed, lost control and slammed into a rock wall.

When troopers and medics arrived at the scene, the two motorcyclists riding together were found unconscious on the side of the road...'

On a more serious note, helmets are always a good idea. I did nursing home work for a while when I was in college. Saw this guy...six foot four, maybe 240 pounds, he could have been a pro football player. He got brain-damaged from crashing without a helmet. After that, he wore diapers and had to be fed and couldn't speak a word. And he drooled constantly. He was only twenty years old. That is frickin' SAD, and I had a hard time (emotionally) caring for him. He had the mind of a six month old baby, at best. Unsure

And that's how he was for life. We turned him every two hours so he wouldn't develop bedsores. Wear a helmet.

I knew this old biker who had never gotten into an accident. I asked him how he accomplished that. He said: 'I just pretend I'm invisible. Most people don't see you anyway...'

As long as we're on the subject of motos, let me tell you about The Miracle. And it certainly was.

1982: Two-lane highway, just north of Cave Junction, Oregon. It's midnight, extremely heavy rain, and dark. I'm cruising back to Seattle on a Honda 750. I see these headlights coming up behind me REALLY fast. I couldn't believe it. The driver had to be going more than eighty miles an hour! I tried to pull off to the shoulder, but he caught up to me before I could get completely off the road.

It's a Toyota wagon. He slams on the brakes in the wet pavement and goes sideways. Passenger-side door...BOOOOOOOOM! into the back of the bike at maybe sixty MPH. I go sailing over the handlebars, ending up flying through the air in a sitting position, and strangely...facing back his way.

'I'm dead. This is it...' I thought. I flew through the air the distance between two telephone poles and then slammed into a mud-filled ditch...still in the backwards sitting position. WHAM! I was stunned. I sat up, I started feeling my arms and legs to see what was broken. The bike is in pieces all over the road.

This guy comes running up. 'Are you okay?'

Nothing was broken, but I was in shock. He got close enough, so I grabbed his coat and pulled him down into the mud with me. 'You stupid effin' SOB (edited) you almost killed me!' I tried to punch him, but I was so weak he was able to pull away and he runs back to his car, gets on the CB radio.

No. It's gets worse. The cops come. He's an insurance agent who lives in Cave Junction. The cops know him. He tells the cops he wasn't speeding and I had no rear lights. Because of the rain, there are no skid marks. I can't prove the lights worked cause the bike's in pieces. No insurance payment, no nothing. I didn't even bother trying to collect. I bought a cheap truck and drove back to Seattle. I was really mad for a long time, but then I realized the whole thing was a frickin' miracle and I ended up grateful nothing happened to me. My neck gets a little sore in wintertime, but that was about it...

I quit riding after that, except for small bikes in the woods.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 21, 2012, 2:45 PM)


Farflung

Oct 21, 2012, 3:32 PM
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RobertMBlevins recalls:

On a more serious note, helmets are always a good idea. I did nursing home work for a while when I was in college. Saw this guy...six foot four, maybe 240 pounds, he could have been a pro football player. He got brain-damaged from crashing without a helmet. After that, he wore diapers and had to be fed and couldn't speak a word. And he drooled constantly. He was only twenty years old.”


Unfortunately, I’ve never seen anyone who believes their own bullshit when it comes to driver safety. But they sure worry about everyone else’s safety and health, while making it a punishable offense. I’ve always worn helmets, even before the law. I had a helmet stolen, while on a trip across country. On my way to a cicle shop, I passed a cop who naturally pulled me over for not having a lid. I explained what happened and how I couldn’t imagine someone stealing such a thing. He told me about the latest drug called meth, which has people stealing whatever isn’t nailed down, and sort of blamed me for not taking it into the restaurant. He then escorted me to the store to make sure I was going to do what I said. Gee, I wonder what sort of people he deals with all the time, imagine not doing what you say. Weird.

Number one expense relating to automobile crashes is….. head trauma. Yep, head trauma in a car is just as diaper and drool inducing as the trauma some helmetless idiot on a sled experiences. How many times do you or your ‘loved ones’ wear helmets in your cars? Feeling that tingle of duplicity rising up your spine? If helmets are always a good idea, then it’s always a good idea to wear one, but no one ever does (but they can PREACH). Not even the doctors who treat such horrendous injuries day in and day out wear one. In fact, the same profession (doctors) who decry the evil that is obesity and cholesterol, are among the highest percentage owners of McDonalds and Burger King franchises. Way to go guys!

The BEST and most effective treatment for crashes is avoidance. Do you really believe, in your heart of hearts, that the videos of motorcycles, helicopters and cars were examples of responsible vehicle operation? Would the same philosophy be followed regarding bank robberies, where customers are required to wear body armor, as a solution to preventing gunshot injuries, OR would the bank robber be removed from the equation? Oops, bank robbers aren’t motorcycle helmets and neither of them are DB Cooper, so none of this makes sense. Perhaps we should get back to the twenty six fingered suspect and his botched (read: not found culpable) investigation.


RobertMBlevins

Oct 21, 2012, 3:46 PM
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That moto crash story I told back there happened just as I said. And the nursing home patient is a real person.

Have to admit, I never considered the idea of wearing a helmet in a car, but there is a difference between a wreck in a modern car and a wreck on a moto. No airbags, no restriant system, no steel cage around you.

I figured a little helmet-preaching was okay, since I've seen (and had to clean up after) the results of not wearing one...with that poor sap at the nursing home. As far as driving, well...I've been in a couple of accidents, but none of them were caused by me, nor could they have been avoided. One guy turned in front of me without warning. My '62 Volvo absolutely destroyed his new car. Another time, a lady in a Camaro rear-ended me at a stop light. She was leaning over to pick up her cigarette lighter off the floorboard.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 21, 2012, 3:47 PM)


Farflung

Oct 21, 2012, 4:18 PM
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If the helmet is a good idea in situation X, THEN it would naturally improve the outcome in all other situations, including taking a shower. Otherwise, you need to establish some criteria for your baseline of acceptable death and dismemberment. I notice that when someone dies of lung cancer, the papers typically mention how they smoked two packs a day. That is a strange thing to report considering how when a person is killed in a car, they don’t mention how many miles they drive a year. Cuz if quitting or reducing tobacco consumption is good for your health, cutting back on driving would be too. But people want to drive, so they behave piously about things they don’t do, like chew tobacco and ride. New York City has found the cure for obesity by outlawing large drinks. That should keep all the fat asses baffled as they inexplicably begin to slim down, and enter the domain of anorexia.

As far as the preaching, it can’t be escaped. When I would carry my brain-bucket in the grocery store, someone would often feel compelled to tell me a “I had a friend that rode those things, left half his face on the highway” fables, while all I wanted to do was purchase a few items and hit on the cashier.
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skyjack71

Oct 21, 2012, 8:21 PM
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Duane has very distinctive age lines on each side of his cheek and above his cheek seems "puffy" the only picture where he looks like Cooper is your profile pic.

Duane had high cheek bones but his cheeks were NOT PUFFY. Of course he had age lines - what do you think the artist tried to show in the composite?

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Duane also would of been blind as a bat if he didn't have his glasses on.

Duane Weber was FAR SIGHTED!
Do you know what that means?
It means he had NO problem seeing things FAR AWAY - like an EAGLE. Being far sighted meant he could shoot a branch off a tree from quiet a distance.

Duane did NOT wear his glass all the time at home. The only problem that far sighted individuals have is judgement upclose of distance. Duane could function very well without his glasses and his drivers license did NOT require he wear glasses.
Except maybe in the last few yrs before he died - I would have to look at the old license to see what it says.

As for WA and OR - the ONLY time that was mentioned was when we went out there in 1979.

There was ONE mention of WA in 1978 - by his friend Ed Hurand. Ed was sick and asked Duane if we could stop by and make a run to the drugstore for him. While Duane was gone I asked Ed where he knew Duane from. He started to talk about helicopters and planes and WA.

I commented I never knew Duane was in WA. He realized he had said something he should not and was upset. He didn't just ask - he begged me NOT to mention to Duane what he had said. I promised and I did not ask Duane. Ed had told me that perhaps someday Duane might tell me about those times of his life.

Ed is the one whose last name I am uncertain of the spelling. We were at a meeting and I was taking pictures of people - I usually had a camera in my hand. At this meeting - the men all walked away and Ed was refusing to allow me to take a picture of him. Duane spoke to him and then Ed let me take the picture.

I asked Duane what he told him - he said he told him it was for our private photo album and no one would ever see it. NO one did until all of the Cooper stuff came up and I was trying to find out what Ed was talking about.

Note when I got downstairs I was told NO cameras allowed, but I had already taken some pics upstairs and some of the women.

Ed was the ONLY guy whose pic I got.

What do you read into those happening of events. It was after this meeting that Duane had to deliver a PACKAGE to an individual I now know had mafia connections. The package must have been an envelope and inside of Duane's suit jacket.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 21, 2012, 8:26 PM)


skyjack71

Oct 21, 2012, 8:44 PM
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The word "AFT" is a Navy, or nautical, term. While Duane may have worn a sailor's uniform for a short while, I seriously doubt that he would have learned much sailor lingo before he was discovered and booted out of the Navy. As I recall it, Duane didn't go to boot camp in the Navy. Non-nautical types would probably have referred to them as the "REAR STAIRS" unless they had read a book that used the term "AFT STAIRS".

FrownMadFrownMadMadMadWHERE IN THE HELL DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM? I HAVE DUANE'S NAVY RECORDS AND COPIES OF ALL CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN HIS MOTHER AND THE OFFICIALS. WITHOUT PULLING THE RECORD. THEY GIVE THE TRAINING LOCATIONS AND THAT HE WAS THEN SENT TO JACKSONVILLE. HE WAS THERE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS..

When you make a statement like that BE SURE YOU have YOUR DUCKS in a row because I will more than SHOOT you down!
If you know someone in my area who can get that file onto the DZ - I can make it available for them to do so. OTHER WISE STOP YOUR ATTACKS THAT HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK THEM UP. YOU ARE A SCOUNDREL IN THE LOWEST FORM.

Perhaps you meant to say when Duane was in the ARMY for a few weeks.

I have tried to be very honest and forthright and be a lady but you just pushed the WRONG buttons.

Then You ROBT go on to make the following statements!

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However, that is not the way the system operates.

I'll bet the FBI asked you for believable evidence that would tie Duane Weber, aka John Collins and several other names, to any crime. Unfortunately, you did not have anything other than decades old conversations and a dead suspect.


LaughCrazyWinkLaughLaugh
THEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE FBI OPERATES! The FBI NEVER ASKED me for anything until many yrs later when they wanted DNA in 2003 - 5 yrs after they had dismissed Duane with a letter that dismissed him on prints ONLY.

Robert99 - you are obviously not qualified to provide any such information because I have DOCUMENTS that dispute all YOU HAVE STATED. How much did YOU drink today? Please STATE YOUR QUALIFICATION to make the ABOVE STATEMENTS you made REGARDING DUANE's time in the NAVY and WHAT the FBI MAY and MAY NOT have required.

I HAVE ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE FBI AND THE NAVY RECORD! The likes of you WILL not stop me - the only thing you make me want to do is to GO PUBLIC again. With the ignorance you just displayed perhaps that is a pretty good idea! Especially if you represent the government in anyway what so ever.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 21, 2012, 9:00 PM)


Farflung

Oct 21, 2012, 8:59 PM
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I’ve never heard of a person with 26 fingerprints, but that’s different now thanks to the always focused and logical DB Cooper thread.

At first I thought Duane would be the world’s fastest touch typist with a finger for every letter. But that distinction would only last until someone with 45 fingers came along who could handle the punctuation and numeric keys. Fortunately, I caught myself just in time there, cuz that could have been embarrassing.

Then because I had a day off and several friends over, I decided to take inventory of my fingers and was saddened to realize I’ve got but ten. After a few hugs and a lot of tears, I was reassured that having ten fingers, fit well within the national average for a person of my age, height and weight. What a relief, but why was nature so generous to Duane, and stingy with the rest of us?

Here’s a medical explanation which should demystify the subject, while preserving the thread’s honor and credibility and stuff.

Duane was probably born with an underdeveloped, parasitic twin who would have supplied ten more prints besides Duane’s. You see, the parasitic twin would lift lady’s purses, room keys and jewelry while Duane kept them distracted with his magnetic charms. That’s how Duane managed to get away with so many crimes and only spend a scant 17 years in prisons and jails. He was that good.

But hey, there were 26 fingerprints and I’ve only covered 20. Here’s where the story gets a little weird…. so I’m going to beg for a little indulgence for a moment. Duane’s underdeveloped, parasitic twin…. had an underdeveloped, parasitic twin with three fingers on each hand. The three fingered, second underdeveloped, parasitic twin couldn’t help with stealing from women on vacation, but his three fingered hands were perfect for tuning the Daka-Ware knobs, used on the receiver of electric underwear, which picked up navigation signals. It’s actually pretty obvious if you take the time to think about it.

Obviously one person with his underdeveloped, parasitic twins would account for 26 fingerprints, the successful body of crimes and the operation of the electric underpants. It’s not that much of a leap to see how he was probably DB Cooper. Now if the FBI would only take the time to investigate Duane’s 26 fingerprints, there is no reason there shouldn’t be 26 matches from Flight 305.


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