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skyjack71

Oct 22, 2012, 12:25 AM
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How do you know Duane never robbed a gas station or convenience store or was a ladies man?

Duane's MO was robbing women he lured with alcohol of their valuables after he slept with them. Perhaps the FBI told me - you THINK! That was also told to me by the Brother and to some extent the FBI. He also stole wallets from purses in bars after the woman had a little too much to drink.

Source to remain anonymous:

He also robbed hotel and motel rooms along the beach - by accessing the keys tourist put under their beach bags or pool towels. He never committed an armed robbery, but guns were stolen in one incident.

He also worked for an insurance company collecting premiums and skimmed money from them.
That TAKES a little planning on the agent's part. He worked for Pyramid Life in Ks as John Collins. An Italian restaurant owner had helped him get the job and was very disappointed in him. .

None of Duane's crimes involved the use of a gun and none that I have been told about involved violence.

According to one source - when he robbed a hotel room he always left enough cash to get them thru one day. I thought that was weird..,..but, it was exactly what I would have expected. He was a thief, but he had a heart.


Jo, What is the source of your claims that Duane never used a gun or violence in a robbery?

So Duane was a thief with a heart of gold? After sleeping with his victims, he robbed them? I don't think he has any qualifications to claim "a heart of gold".

I have heard the term "a hooker with a heart of gold". If there is such a person, I guess they operate on a higher moral level than Duane did.

Robert99


Tongue
UnimpressedWhat is YOUR Source OF INFORMATION Robert99? You have NONE!

TongueShockedUnimpressed
You are the one who said "heart of gold" - what is your source?
The things I have learned about Weber's past are horrible and definitely NOT anything the man I knew would have done, but the BAD STUFF really happened.

Did it ever occur in your overloaded negative mine that perhaps something happened to Weber that caused him to change? Why would a man whose life had been taking from others make a complete turn-around? He supposedly even stole from his own mother.

Perhaps that is the BIG question you and others who claim to have so many "abilities" and "knowledge" should be asking themselves. What would cause a life time criminal to reform himself? One of the arguments has been age, but it took more than that to change him into the man he became and the man I knew.


Strange that Duane touched so many hearts and did so much good during his last yrs! Strange that in 1977 he seemed to AWAKEN. The crime happened in 1971, but something took over Weber's life - the woman he was married to until 1977 - thought he was a horrible person, but I never knew that horrible person.

Yet, his friend (he met in 1973 is still a friend to me to this day). He and his wife have stood solid with me and what I believe and the strange life I had with Duane and his confession. Duane and I even flew from CO to GA for their wedding). Duane touch the hearts people (all who knew him) - this man who we all found out was an excon with 17 yrs in prison. The friends, his employers, myself, my daughter, my family, casual and work aquaintances - no one could believe this man had spent 17 yrs in a prison - much less 5 prisons or more.

At first when I told some of them that he had been in prison - NONE of them could believe it. To his best friend, Duane did mention he had something in his past, but never spelled it out.

Duane had NO enemies in the yrs I knew him - everyone liked him and he was very generous with his time and money to help others. He was sweet, lovable, generous, kind, loving - I saw nothing of the horrible person I have been told about. Remember Tina called Cooper a "very sad man".

Frankly I think that was the turning point. He was desperate and strangely he survived - but he also changed. Was the change out of necessity to keep from being found out or did he really change deep down? Did what happened that night finally awaken in him the man he could be?

I cannot explain the fingerprints or the DNA. Was Cooper actually someone who Duane was with and a buddy he cared about. That thought has always been in my mind because of that one thing he said in WA "Maybe I was the one on the ground" 1979, but 11 days before he died he said "I'm Dan Cooper"1995. Twenty-two yrs and the only times that Cooper was mentioned during all of that time.

If he had been laying some elaborate story - he would have talked about "other" things - not just those 2 phrases. He tried in the hospital, but I had forgot about the remark he made on the trip. I did NOT know Dan Cooper was D.B. Cooper - my mind just could not wrap around something like that knowing he would be gone in a few days.

I don't have the answers, but I do know that if he was not Cooper that he damn sure knew who was - perhaps the other person buried in that old graveyard....and that he may have felt responsible if the skyjacking was his suggestion.

Right now I cannot remember the 2 names he mentioned withing a couple of hours of each other - and I have never found the connections between Duane and either of these men - but they both did exist and did live in the area. One in Washougal and the other in Bigg, OR. Coincidence!

I know that after the money find in 1980 that Duane quickly exited the area after doing some very unusual things.

Just Jo repeating her memories and trying to understand them.


skyjack71

Oct 22, 2012, 12:53 AM
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I thought Robt99 was a pretty smart guy until recently - now he is showing us exactly what he is made of.

Jo, The above is revisionist history. You have been calling me a "troll living under a bridge" and a "moron" for several years. In fact just check your posts within the last couple of weeks.Angelic

Robert99


Excuse me! A "troll living under a bridge" I don't remember saying that - are you sure it was me?
If I said "moron" it must have been deserved! SEVERAL YEARS?

You have not been on this thread for SEVERAL yrs? If I said both of those things over a several yr period of time - you can bet you had me pissed off big time!

WinkYou would NOT want to know the things I call you after I get off the thread and before I chill out. If my written word was as sharp as my tongue I would have been band from the thread in a New York minute.

In a private moment of anger I am NOT a lady, but I stay in control or try to with the written word. I am sure I have "thought" every word one could apply to a man when I have been opposed.
A wimp I am not.


mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 3:09 AM
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so basically you are saying Duane would be comfortable without his glasses on a plane correct, he could see the front of the plane and watch all of the
passengers without needing his glasses that he always seems to have on.

I still don't follow the DL issue, Duane got the license in 1988 which expired in 92, went back in 90 and was found out correct? what I don't understand is
why this is strange to you, I got both of my DL's at the same DMV. however, I can see them catching him in 90 because they were catching up on the duplicate DL's


Robert99

Oct 22, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Felix Baumgartner appeared earlier today on the Today Show on NBC. He "confessed" that he did not enjoy the jump, which proves that he is sane.

The Today segment had video from his body cameras during the wild spinning. The segment and video link can be found at "http://www.nbcnews.com" in the "Lifestyles" section.

The National Geographic Channel is planning to air a special on his jump on Sunday, November 11, titled: "Space Dive".

Robert99


Farflung

Oct 22, 2012, 10:22 AM
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I have to violently agree with everyone else that all the latest photos of Duane look nothing like the Cooper composite. He would be blind as a bat trying to tie knots or look at money in a bag since he was verified as farsighted by doctors and people with big ass titles. He would need those coke-bottles in the airplane to find the aft stairs. No argument there.

The only thing that makes any sense is the ‘Electronic Underwear’ that Duane wore to receive navigation signals through some sort of vibrating device, which I don’t completely understand. Too complex for me and several amateur radio licensees, one with a double ‘E’. I’m afraid Duane probably took that secret to his grave, unlike his other confessions where he was hijacking Kool-Aid from every store and pantry he entered. Oh, yeaahh!
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mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 11:12 AM
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"Electronic Underwear"

I don't thin I need Mr. Science to figure out where the antenna mast was located Cool


georger

Oct 22, 2012, 11:49 AM
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so basically you are saying Duane would be comfortable without his glasses on a plane correct, he could see the front of the plane and watch all of the
passengers without needing his glasses that he always seems to have on.

I still don't follow the DL issue, Duane got the license in 1988 which expired in 92, went back in 90 and was found out correct? what I don't understand is
why this is strange to you, I got both of my DL's at the same DMV. however, I can see them catching him in 90 because they were catching up on the duplicate DL's

All of this discussed previously years ago - now bring
in the fact of 'polycistic kidney disease (PKD) which
according to author, Pasternak, Duane was
diagnosed with some time around 1970-71 ... ?

Thick glasses are just the beginning! Of whole stable
of conditions, Duane Weber was living and
prospering, with. In Jo's hands these are not
deficits but assets which Duane/Cooper had!

Jo, in true Blevonian style, once used the fact of
PKD as a "reason" for Duane turning to "airplane
hijacking". With all hope lost Duane turned to
airplane hijacking as his personal expression of
angst, with Jo claiming: "Duane was fit as a fiddle
and extra-athletic with no affect at all during those
early years, and for generations thereafter ...
because, 'you dont understand how PKD works'.

So to make a long story short: its poor eye sight
and thick glasses, with onset PKD, a congenital bad
hip and leg(s) condition which you can clearly see in
his photos shopwing is hips/legs, other undisclosed
conditions, and a certain 'Mandingo' condition ... just
for starters...!

The whole set of conditions just screams 'Olympic
athlete' and 'fit as a fiddle' ... and this whole
discussion as never been elevated above that
baseline ever since.. in sells in Seniors Groups
and in Himmelsbach's mindset!

Who knows! Maybe it's true!

Laugh


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mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 12:30 PM
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so basically you are saying Duane would be comfortable without his glasses on a plane correct, he could see the front of the plane and watch all of the
passengers without needing his glasses that he always seems to have on.

I still don't follow the DL issue, Duane got the license in 1988 which expired in 92, went back in 90 and was found out correct? what I don't understand is
why this is strange to you, I got both of my DL's at the same DMV. however, I can see them catching him in 90 because they were catching up on the duplicate DL's

All of this discussed previously years ago - now bring
in the fact of 'polycistic kidney disease (PKD) which
according to author, Pasternak, Duane was
diagnosed with some time around 1970-71 ... ?

Thick glasses are just the beginning! Of whole stable
of conditions, Duane Weber was living and
prospering, with. In Jo's hands these are not
deficits but assets which Duane/Cooper had!

Jo, in true Blevonian style, once used the fact of
PKD as a "reason" for Duane turning to "airplane
hijacking". With all hope lost Duane turned to
airplane hijacking as his personal expression of
angst, with Jo claiming: "Duane was fit as a fiddle
and extra-athletic with no affect at all during those
early years, and for generations thereafter ...
because, 'you dont understand how PKD works'.

So to make a long story short: its poor eye sight
and thick glasses, with onset PKD, a congenital bad
hip and leg(s) condition which you can clearly see in
his photos shopwing is hips/legs, other undisclosed
conditions, and a certain 'Mandingo' condition ... just
for starters...!

The whole set of conditions just screams 'Olympic
athlete' and 'fit as a fiddle' ... and this whole
discussion as never been elevated above that
baseline ever since.. in sells in Seniors Groups
and in Himmelsbach's mindset!

Who knows! Maybe it's true!

Laugh


"All of this discussed previously years ago"
I'm sure it has, she asked for someone to look at this and I did, I just can't see him doing this, IMO he doesn't fit the profile....period.

I have done one final check with the photo's and I'm done with it, these are the problems I see and she can accept or or deny the findings.
she has to understand that not everyone is on board the Weber plane! I like Jo but disagree with her findings and hope she finds peace with this soon.
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georger

Oct 22, 2012, 12:44 PM
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so basically you are saying Duane would be comfortable without his glasses on a plane correct, he could see the front of the plane and watch all of the
passengers without needing his glasses that he always seems to have on.

I still don't follow the DL issue, Duane got the license in 1988 which expired in 92, went back in 90 and was found out correct? what I don't understand is
why this is strange to you, I got both of my DL's at the same DMV. however, I can see them catching him in 90 because they were catching up on the duplicate DL's

All of this discussed previously years ago - now bring
in the fact of 'polycistic kidney disease (PKD) which
according to author, Pasternak, Duane was
diagnosed with some time around 1970-71 ... ?

Thick glasses are just the beginning! Of whole stable
of conditions, Duane Weber was living and
prospering, with. In Jo's hands these are not
deficits but assets which Duane/Cooper had!

Jo, in true Blevonian style, once used the fact of
PKD as a "reason" for Duane turning to "airplane
hijacking". With all hope lost Duane turned to
airplane hijacking as his personal expression of
angst, with Jo claiming: "Duane was fit as a fiddle
and extra-athletic with no affect at all during those
early years, and for generations thereafter ...
because, 'you dont understand how PKD works'.

So to make a long story short: its poor eye sight
and thick glasses, with onset PKD, a congenital bad
hip and leg(s) condition which you can clearly see in
his photos shopwing is hips/legs, other undisclosed
conditions, and a certain 'Mandingo' condition ... just
for starters...!

The whole set of conditions just screams 'Olympic
athlete' and 'fit as a fiddle' ... and this whole
discussion as never been elevated above that
baseline ever since.. in sells in Seniors Groups
and in Himmelsbach's mindset!

Who knows! Maybe it's true!

Laugh


"All of this discussed previously years ago"
I'm sure it has, she asked for someone to look at this and I did, I just can't see him doing this, IMO he doesn't fit the profile....period.

I have done one final check with the photo's and I'm done with it, these are the problems I see and she can accept or or deny the findings.
she has to understand that not everyone is on board the Weber plane! I like Jo but disagree with her findings and hope she finds peace with this soon.

Duane's 'elf ears' first caught my attention years
ago ...

Oh well. You will be replaced by the next researcher.
Jobs are hard to get! LaughLaugh


mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 12:55 PM
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Cool


Robert99

Oct 22, 2012, 2:01 PM
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I thought Robt99 was a pretty smart guy until recently - now he is showing us exactly what he is made of.

Jo, The above is revisionist history. You have been calling me a "troll living under a bridge" and a "moron" for several years. In fact just check your posts within the last couple of weeks.Angelic

Robert99


Excuse me! A "troll living under a bridge" I don't remember saying that - are you sure it was me?
If I said "moron" it must have been deserved! SEVERAL YEARS?

You have not been on this thread for SEVERAL yrs? If I said both of those things over a several yr period of time - you can bet you had me pissed off big time!

WinkYou would NOT want to know the things I call you after I get off the thread and before I chill out. If my written word was as sharp as my tongue I would have been band from the thread in a New York minute.

In a private moment of anger I am NOT a lady, but I stay in control or try to with the written word. I am sure I have "thought" every word one could apply to a man when I have been opposed.
A wimp I am not.

Jo, the troll remark was made sometime prior to August 2011 and I think it was made sometime in 2010 when you and I exchanged about 10 posts one evening when you went ballastic. But it is mentioned again in a post on page 1021.

If you don't believe you made it, search your own posts for it.

At least one of your "moron" remarks was made within about the past month.

I did find an interesting post (number 25510) for August 7, 2011 and which was made during an earlier discussion on Duane's glasses. Longtimelurker asks "If Duane only needed glasses for reading, why is he wearing them in ever picture?".

On that same page is also a discussion of the great "Duane Serial Number Code Mystery".

With the glasses and code posting continuing even today, it should be readily apparent that nothing really changes here.

Finally, Georger was right.

Robert99


377  (F 666)

Oct 22, 2012, 2:40 PM
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Farflung wrote:
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The only thing that makes any sense is the ‘Electronic Underwear’ that Duane wore to receive navigation signals through some sort of vibrating device, which I don’t completely understand. Too complex for me and several amateur radio licensees, one with a double ‘E’. I’m afraid Duane probably took that secret to his grave...

Were he still alive Duane might have been awakened by a phone call from Stockholm and his money worries would have been over. Somewhere there is a schematic of Duane's invention, which would be more far more important than a hot Cooper $20 and the ransom note.

Jo wrote that Duane had no ememies. Excuse me Jo. Are you forgetting about his 26 arrests?

There were likely a few enemies on the other side of his crimes.

I'd also like to see some proof that Duane left money in his victims purses to get them through a day. It would be quite remarkable were that proven to be true.

I represented a lot of accused robbers and thieves. Their family members at sentencing hearings would talk about how basically good and kind they were, but not one of those accused ever left money on the table so to speak. I'll bet Duane didn't either.

377


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mrshutter45

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The only thing that makes any sense is the ‘Electronic Underwear’ that Duane wore to receive navigation signals through some sort of vibrating device, which I don’t completely understand. Too complex for me and several amateur radio licensees, one with a double ‘E’. I’m afraid Duane probably took that secret to his grave...

Were he still alive Duane might have been awakened by a phone call from Stockholm and his money worries would have been over. Somewhere there is a schematic of Duane's invention, which would be more far more important than a hot Cooper $20 and the ransom note.

Jo wrote that Duane had no ememies. Excuse me Jo. Are you forgetting about his 26 arrests?

There were likely a few enemies on the other side of his crimes.

I'd also like to see some proof that Duane left money in his victims purses to get them through a day. It would be quite remarkable were that proven to be true.

I represented a lot of accused robbers and thieves. Their family members at sentencing hearings would talk about how basically good and kind they were, but not one of those accused ever left money on the table so to speak. I'll bet Duane didn't either.

377


"I'd also like to see some proof that Duane left money in his victims purses to get them through a day. It would be quite remarkable were that proven to be true."

it's possible that this came about after knowing Cooper offered Tina money on the plane.


skyjack71

Oct 22, 2012, 7:16 PM
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so basically you are saying Duane would be comfortable without his glasses on a plane correct, he could see the front of the plane and watch all of the
passengers without needing his glasses that he always seems to have on.

I still don't follow the DL issue, Duane got the license in 1988 which expired in 92, went back in 90 and was found out correct? what I don't understand is
why this is strange to you, I got both of my DL's at the same DMV. however, I can see them catching him in 90 because they were catching up on the duplicate DL's

YOU do NOT get it at all and ALL you are doing is scrambling the facts.

YOU HAVE ALL the facts about the Driver's License all screwed up.

Duane had an ACTIVE license under Duane L. Weber that was active and valid. BUT in 1990 he tried to get a license UNDER the name of John Collins in addition to the license he had for WEBER.

He did NOT have sufficient ID for John Collins in Santa Rosa County. Then he leaves there and goes straight to Escambia Co where he successfuly obtained the John Collins Drivers license. In the mean time the Santa Rosa Co was investigating Duane - because of his ATTEMPT to obtain the John Collins Id there. They ran a check on the VAN and it was registered to me.

They knocked on my door the next day and I told them I didn't know were he was. I suspected he was at the SHOP and got into my car and drove directly there. BECAUSE of my name they thought he was MY FATHER.

Within moments the 2 policeman and the Highway Patrol walked into the shop . Duane immediately put both hands on the desk. THESE law enforcement like myself did NOT know he had ALREADY obtained the John Collins drivers license the same day he left the Santa Rosa Office. This was NOT known to the FBI and only known to me 2 yrs AFTER I contacted them 1 yr and 2 month after Duane died.

You would need to see the receipt and the paperwork to follow this - the FBI has copies of it all...but, they did NOT understand the sequence nor did I until I investigated it myself 2 yrs AFTER the FBI collected the evidence and documents on Duane Weber I had.

WHY don't you get in your damn car and come see what I am talking about. THE FBI didn't even see the footsteps Duane had made and how he eluded their knowledge of this. It was only with the RECIEPT that it made sense. It took me a long time to see it myself and when I did and others did - lots of eyebrow were raised, but the FBI never revisited this.

Duane need both Weber and Collins active drivers license because he had a safe deposit box in another state unde the John Collins name.


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Robert99

Oct 22, 2012, 7:33 PM
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Duane had an ACTIVE license under Duane L. Weber that was active and valid. BUT in 1990 he tried to get a license UNDER the name of John Collins in addition to the license he had for WEBER.

He did NOT have sufficient ID for John Collins in Santa Rosa County. Then he leaves there and goes straight to Escambia Co where he successfuly obtained the John Collins Drivers license. In the mean time the Santa Rosa Co was investigating Duane - because of his ATTEMPT to obtain the John Collins Id there. They ran a check on the VAN and it was registered to me.

They knocked on my door the next day and I told them I didn't know were he was. I suspected he was at the SHOP and got into my car and drove directly there. BECAUSE of my name they thought he was MY FATHER.

Within moments the 2 policeman and the Highway Patrol walked into the shop . Duane immediately put both hands on the desk. THESE law enforcement like myself did NOT know he had ALREADY obtained the John Collins drivers license the same day he left the Santa Rosa Office. This was NOT known to the FBI and only known to me 2 yrs AFTER I contacted them 1 yr and 2 month after Duane died.

You would need to see the receipt and the paperwork to follow this - the FBI has copies of it all...but, they did NOT understand the sequence nor did I until I investigated it myself 2 yrs AFTER the FBI collected the evidence and documents on Duane Weber I had.

Jo, You don't seem to understand what Mrshutter told you several days ago.

Duane was trying to use fraud to get the second driver's license. The first office, for reasons you apparently don't know, refused to issue him ANY license. He then went to an office in another county and they did issue him a license in the Collins name. So Duane then had two driver's licenses in two different name and one of them was obtained by fraud.

After the law enforcement people visited you and you denied knowing where Duane was, they apparently waited a few minutes nearby and then followed you to Duane's location. Or to put it in plain English, they then knew that you had lied to them.

The issuance of driver's licenses is a Florida state function (in this instance) and has nothing to do with the FBI. Why do you find this so difficult to understand?

Robert99


mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 7:56 PM
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I just don't see a Cooper link in all of the Collins mess, I had two DL'S both valid in the state of Florida, the 90's came around and they were
buckling down on people having multiple DL'S. so I can see where and why he was caught. my landlord had 3 back in the 80's

according to your post in the past you claim he got the license in 1988 (11/08/88) expires 11/13/92 sounds to me he was trying to get another
copy (Duplicate) of the false ID. either way it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Cooper!

The focus point should be why he was always wearing glasses, you said in the past he only used them for reading and yet he always
has them on in 99% of his pictures? these are things people pick up on, including the FBI I would guess. I'm not the first one to see this either.

I'm sorry Jo but you have a lot of people against your claims, including the FBI. I tried to make some sense out of all of this, but can't.

sorry


skyjack71

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Jo wrote that Duane had no ememies. Excuse me Jo. Are you forgetting about his 26 arrests?

FrownPerhaps I should CLARIFY that - Duane had NO enemies during OUR marriage and during the time I knew him he had only one person who spoke ill of him.
One former wife had nothing kind to say about him. If the things she told me were true then I can understand, but I did not meet him until 1977 AFTER he had divorced her.

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I'd also like to see some proof that Duane left money in his victims purses to get them through a day. It would be quite remarkable were that proven to be true.

This is what I told by an individual very close to Duane Weber for many yrs. Since most of what I was told has turned out to be true then the FBI is the only one who has access to theft records that might verify this.

The only way to know this for fact would be to see the written reports made by the victims. Surely someone noticed he left money on the dresser in the room - so they would be able to buy food for their kids and themselves until arrangements could be made for access to other monies. IN OTHER words he alway left some money - he didn't leave with everything.

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I represented a lot of accused robbers and thieves. Their family members at sentencing hearings would talk about how basically good and kind they were, but not one of those accused ever left money on the table so to speak. I'll bet Duane didn't either.

Well, you will loose that BET! Find some of his victims - especially those in resort areas with families on vacations. If the source was telling the truth then I expect you might find some kind or report regarding thefts where the victims claimed the robber did NOT take everything and left some cash. One does NOT miss a 20 laying on the dresser after a room is robbed and their wallet and credit cards GONE.

A 20 dollar bill in the 60's went a long long way.

I expect this was not something he did prior to the 60's as this would have become an aquired soft spot. Knowing Duane as I did and his compassion for xxxx - I believed the story.


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skyjack71

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according to your post in the past you claim he got the license in 1988 (11/08/88) expires 11/13/92 sounds to me he was trying to get another
copy (Duplicate) of the false ID.


NO NO you don't get it. He stole receipts of something to prove residency and then he goes to the DMV claiming he is that John Collins on the receipts and lived at that address. He claims he lost his drivers license and needs to get a duplicate. The duplicate is issued with Duane's picture on it in 1990. The 1988 license belonged to the REAL John Collins.

So he left the ESCAMBIA DMV with a valid license with his picture on it. The original license was issued in 1988 and expired in 1992, but the one Duane had was the replacement of this supposedly lost drivers license.

I expect you are still NOT getting it! He went to great risks to get that damn drivers license with the name John C. Collins on it. When I contacted the REAL John Collins I got his wife who told me they had a break in - in 1990 but nothing seemed to have been taken - RIGHT because ALL Duane needed was utility reciepts with an address on it and perhaps a birth certificate or an old expired driver's license with John C. Collins on it and he had a SS with John C. Collins on it.

Yrs later I got hold of the man but he was a senior himself and did NOT remember this. The FBI never checked into this.


mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 8:23 PM
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"If the source was telling the truth then I expect you might find some kind or report regarding thefts where the victims claimed the robber did NOT take everything and left some cash. One does NOT miss a 20 laying on the dresser after a room is robbed and their wallet and credit cards GONE."

the possibilities are endless Jo, criminals work different ways, they seek out different things, disruption could cause them to leave early, leaving valuables behind etc. etc......


"I expect you are still NOT getting it"
no I don't, but please explain how this ties him to being Cooper?


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Farflung

Oct 22, 2012, 8:23 PM
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Skyjack71 says as if forgetting the previous comment:

Perhaps I should CLARIFY that - Duane had NO enemies during OUR marriage….”

Oh, so the Santa Rosa Deputies looking for him were friends? Well the court papers would say something like; the People vs Duane ‘Friend to everyone’ Weber then prosecute him like an enemy for creating a fraudulent ID.

Additionally Duane made friends in Colorado with (post 19552):

Everyone in the bar who was aware of Duane's sudden trip to the car and the bulge in his jacket and what the young man had said to me had their eyes peeled our way. In fact if someone had dropped a glass about that time there might have been panic (drama queen much?).

Duane just sat there and glared at the man who had acted inappropriately.”

This is how Duane makes friends? By glaring at young men with a huge bulge? Reads more like some sort of homo-erotic bodice buster, versus how to make friends and influence strangers. Nothing makes sense.


skyjack71

Oct 22, 2012, 8:44 PM
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The focus point should be why he was always wearing glasses, you said in the past he only used them for reading and yet he always has them on in 99% of his pictures?

Duane wore glasses and I used to have all of his old glasses until I donated them. Far sighted is NOT near sighted and the old lenses were thick - not like the new stuff today. He did NOT seem to have a problem reading and didn't wear them to watch TV. Driving he needed them for depth perception. When I first met him he did NOT wear his glasses hardly at all...which I can demonstrate with family photos and Christmas photos and office photos.

I was able to do without my glasses to read and still do not use my glasses to read or do the computer, but I would NOT drive without them - but I am near sighted.

Duane functioned very well at home without his glasses and wore bifocals and trifocal later in life. Eyesight changes - discuss this with someone who knows more than I do...

At one time I presented one of Duane's scripts and was told that he would have had NO problems at home except to read and he probably had to hold reading material out from his body...this was correct. In a plane Cabin it would have been the same as being in the house and no glasses needed. Distance judgement comes when you are driving....be it farsighted or nearsighted.


mrshutter45

Oct 22, 2012, 8:50 PM
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The focus point should be why he was always wearing glasses, you said in the past he only used them for reading and yet he always has them on in 99% of his pictures?

Duane wore glasses and I used to have all of his old glasses until I donated them. Far sighted is NOT near sighted and the old lenses were thick - not like the new stuff today. He did NOT seem to have a problem reading and didn't wear them to watch TV. Driving he needed them for depth perception. When I first met him he did NOT wear his glasses hardly at all...which I can demonstrate with family photos and Christmas photos and office photos.

I was able to do without my glasses to read and still do not use my glasses to read or do the computer, but I would NOT drive without them - but I am near sighted.

Duane functioned very well at home without his glasses and wore bifocals and trifocal later in life. Eyesight changes - discuss this with someone who knows more than I do...

At one time I presented one of Duane's scripts and was told that he would have had NO problems at home except to read and he probably had to hold reading material out from his body...this was correct. In a plane Cabin it would have been the same as being in the house and no glasses needed. Distance judgement comes when you are driving....be it farsighted or nearsighted.

Farsightedness is greater difficulty seeing near objects than distant objects. Symptoms: Aching eyes; Blurred vision of close objects; Crossed eyes (strabismus) in children; Eye strain; Headache while reading.

"He did NOT seem to have a problem reading and didn't wear them to watch TV."

"I think you know you won't get answer to a sensible question while demands for documented answers to impossible questions are put forth.
It was said Weber only used those glasses for reading , how come he has them on in every pic ? That's not how users of reading glasses use them at all.
Ive asked if Duane even was a cigarette smoker which i could actually believe but i havnt seen him holding a cig in several informal pictures.
Smokers of the time period often had decent lighters , zippos , calibri's , dunhill ,ronson , being a thief he probably had a good one , where is it and why was it not mentioned or tested as it had to have been a rich source of touch dna.
We don't get answers to questions like that , just more impossible demands of the fbi.
I asked why was Mrs Weber quoted in 2000 as saying Duane very rarely talked of his past life yet here on DZ.com she has him a right chatterbox from day 1.
Lack of answers is often an answer in itself i suppose. "


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skyjack71

Oct 22, 2012, 9:46 PM
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"If the source was telling the truth then I expect you might find some kind or report regarding thefts where the victims claimed the robber did NOT take everything and left some cash. One does NOT miss a 20 laying on the dresser after a room is robbed and their wallet and credit cards GONE."

the possibilities are endless Jo, criminals work different ways, they seek out different things, disruption could cause them to leave early, leaving valuables behind etc. etc......


"I expect you are still NOT getting it"
no I don't, but please explain how this ties him to being Cooper?

DID I say it tied him to being Cooper? No, I was just replying to 377's post.

As for the robbery in 1990. I can't remember if I asked the woman if they filed a report. I was more interested in how my husband got a drivers license using her husband's name and their address...but, with Duane's picture on it. At that time I didn't read the receipt showing the date and the license being a duplicate (obviously the FBI didn't either). Since the FBI made copies of the stuff in the wallet - one would assume they also noted it. I just assumed it was a receipt, but didn't examine the dates as the FBI probably didn't either.

Since Nothing of value was taken - they may not have made a report. I don't remember. Whatever she told me I am sure I told to Himmelsbach and expected him to share it with the FBI - of course, he didn't, but I thought the sun rose and set with with Mr. H at that time.

I have answered these question before at one time or another with other posters.


georger

Oct 22, 2012, 9:56 PM
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DID I say it tied him to being Cooper?
Jo was Duane diabetic?

What meds was he on when you married him?

Any persistence low grade problems: muscle aches,
thirsty, headaches, sore throat, cough, sweating,
foot problems, ... anything like that?

Also, he doesnt appear to have worn glasses when
young - do you know?


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skyjack71

Oct 22, 2012, 10:10 PM
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What do you NOT understand by that statement. At home is the same as in the cabin of a plane?

WHAT do you not understand - why don't you make a trip and view the family albums!

I don't recall you asking if Duane was even a smoker. Of course he was - but, he was never a heavy smoker. Neither of smoked much unless we were out. I do not have but one picture of myself in all of these yrs smoking. That is NOT unusual at all.

Yes, Duane had lighters!
I even gave him a sterling silver zippo with his initials on it which I have. That one was hardly used and his old ones went out with the goodwill or trash after he died. Remember I did NOT know who DAN COOPER was until 1 yr and 2 month after he died.

When the FBI contacted me for DNA was in 2003 - and I had remarried - just how much stuff do you think I could keep in a suitcase in the attic?

What I gave them were things I gave him that last Christmas - do not even know if he tried them on. Plus some of it tried on at a garage sale.

Duane DID not talk about his past - what I know about his past was in 3rd person - WHAT do you not understand about that? The rest I have learned thru research and making lots of expensive phone calls over the last 18 yrs and what Doug was able to find. The FBI has NOT been of any help at all. What Carr posted in this thread was erroneous and I had more than he did. He never shared the file with me. THE FBI has been very very CLOSED mouth about Weber.


Duane was never a chatter box.
You put up stom shutters - you are not an investigator or FBI.
There is NO need in my continueing to answer your ridiculous postings and the horrible way you twist and turn things. You do not even know how to separate what I say from what others have said.

Right now I have MORE important things to do and this is a distraction. I finally have the means to contact individuals others have negotiated with on my behalf in the past...NO one connected to the thread. The door to the past of Duane L. Weber.

Expect I will screw it up, but I have to have some answers and if I have to beg - I will. How I am going to afford to do what I will need to have done I do not know, but where there is a will there is a way.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 22, 2012, 10:20 PM)


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