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Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
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You beat me to the ‘Gyro’ solution 377. Just more evidence of how similar problems, approached from different locations, by different people, can result in similar solutions. Assuming there isn’t any undue bias from Sasquatches, Roswell Aliens or Elvis sightings.

As far as the ballerinas, cut me and I bleed red, white and blue; so Americans First! Unless some Russian ballerina has a smoking bod, then it’s straight to INS for her, because in every drop dead beautiful Russian woman is an American, trying to gain employment at the Farflung Flight Academy.


RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 1:03 PM
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'Records are made to be broken...'

(*Insert evil laugh here*)
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Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 2:11 PM
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RobertMBlevins declares:

” His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.”

Before issuing a ‘revision’ with:

Records are made to be broken

I thought that was….. ummm…. hold on I got a ‘Tweet’….. yeah, that’s great…. Brb… so as I was saying my new I-phone has made me more efficient…. Hold on a sec….. got a text…. LOL ASIB SSDD SSIA…. Umm I like chocolate milk…. Me….. I’m hot… bigger, faster, better than yours…. I un-suck.. so yeah, there.
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RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 2:18 PM
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In reply to:
RobertMBlevins declares:

” His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.”

Before issuing a ‘revision’ with:

Records are made to be broken

I thought that was….. ummm…. hold on I got a ‘Tweet’….. yeah, that’s great…. Brb… so as I was saying my new I-phone has made me more efficient…. Hold on a sec….. got a text…. LOL ASIB SSDD SSIA…. Umm I like chocolate milk…. Me….. I’m hot… bigger, faster, better than yours…. I un-suck.. so yeah, there.

LOL...it's a CARTOON. I was quoting Kittinger from the post-jump press conference.


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377  (F 666)

Oct 16, 2012, 2:41 PM
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A different perspective on Felix's leap.

http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=yFU774q6eVM

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mrshutter45

Oct 16, 2012, 2:49 PM
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A different perspective on Felix's leap.

http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=yFU774q6eVM

377

over 3 million hits in two days Cool


RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 2:59 PM
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That video is WAY funnier than my cartoon. Cool

However, I decided to do another one. It's a slow day.


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skyjack71

Oct 16, 2012, 7:45 PM
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JO STATED:
In reply to:
The brother told me about the Schematics to the 727 and other Boeings being all over the house.....because of what John did.

Robert 99 stated:
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Jo, This is nonsense. If John had those documents, which is very unlikely, then he stole them.

Call it what you want, but those are his words. John was an engineer - I do not know his employment record (that is for the FBI to know).

From the beginning of innovation,
not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today. An investigation of his (John's) background will be the only thing that can be used for you to make such a flagrant statement. You are attacking the credibility of a well known man who was loyal to his country - without actual knowledge of his involvement and the involvement of his associates.

I have explained the family connections to the company that provided the "paint" and engineered the "paint" used on the Boeings. Before you attack - investigate. Before you slander - know who and what you are talking about.

What DO YOU know about the development of Chemical Warfare for the Government during WWI. I expect U know nothing and I suggest you START there - then and only then will you find your answers.

These two things are connected and I will let you figure that one out on your own. I suggest you start with the development of Chemical Warfare in WW1.


377  (F 666)

Oct 16, 2012, 7:57 PM
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Jo wrote
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not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today

Jo,

During the time that Boeing was developing the 727 they had a well established system to keep proprietary and classified info from being disclosed outside the company. It wasn't casual or informal.

The commercial airliner business was and still is highly competitive. Mfrs guard their new product technical details quite closely.

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skyjack71

Oct 16, 2012, 8:07 PM
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Jo, one of your first moves about John should have been finding any information to support the "Boeing " link.

If I'm not mistaken the word "Schematic" typically means electrical drawings.

I agree with Robert99, those would be classified documents which would give us yet another Weber thief.

you yourself said John and Duane didn't get a long so how did he get a hold of the documents?

even if he had the drawings, did he know how to read them? they will not explain the rear stairs could be opened in flight.


SmileIt was JOHN'S suggestion that was how Duane may have obtained some of his knowledge of the Boeing. I did NOT think to ask JOHN more questions. The schematics maybe my wording, but I believe that is what John said. Remember the Boeing 727 was on the drawing board for yrs before it finally went into productions. At one time I asked if anyone had a list of those invited to the grand display of the 1st Boeing 727....by the way - what yr was that. I am too lazy to look it up.
It happened in CA. didn't it? Was NOT all invited who participated in the final results?

I am sure Duane in 1971 found a way or already knew about the aft stairs. Duane mentioned a man to me who flew planes out of Thun and to Alaska and Vancouver, Canada. In this brief conversation he mention Burnaby and Bellingham and mentioned government contracts. Was this John's friend? How did Duane know him? I don't know - that is for the FBI to find out? I told the FBI about this and where to look for property records that may reveal the other man's name. I have tried to find this man, but with NO name and what little I have revealed above.

How was John and Duane connected to Boeing and this friend? Now you know about as much as I do about this mystery man and Duane's knowledge of him. I put this in the hands of the FBI many yrs ago - but, they do NOT acknowledge me or the things I provided to them. Of course I would later learn little to nothing of what I told Mr. H ever went to the FBI....

P.S. For 377:
Access to development and manufacturing:

The company providing and/or developing the exterior paint and finishes would have had the plans and/or Schematics. They would have been necessary for the development of the finish.

WinkIS anyone smart enough out there to find out who developed and provided the paint and finishes? Bid's for contracts? Does anyone have enough moxie to obtain the names from Boeing of ALL individuals and Companies they received 'bids" from.


UnsureI go where NO one goes, but I need a little help. Perhaps this is the "clue" the FBI missed in looking for a SUSPECT! I have told this story over and over, but no one listens! I am just that old woman who is crazy, delusion and off her rocker, but sometimes even the FBI needs to listen to what I am trying to say, instead of looking through me or dismissing the things I have told them.

Have had a hard day and I am very tired.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 16, 2012, 8:49 PM)


Robert99

Oct 16, 2012, 8:40 PM
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In reply to:
JO STATED:
In reply to:
The brother told me about the Schematics to the 727 and other Boeings being all over the house.....because of what John did.

Robert 99 stated:
In reply to:
Jo, This is nonsense. If John had those documents, which is very unlikely, then he stole them.

Call it what you want, but those are his words. John was an engineer - I do not know his employment record (that is for the FBI to know).

From the beginning of innovation,
not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today. An investigation of his (John's) background will be the only thing that can be used for you to make such a flagrant statement. You are attacking the credibility of a well known man who was loyal to his country - without actual knowledge of his involvement and the involvement of his associates.

I have explained the family connections to the company that provided the "paint" and engineered the "paint" used on the Boeings. Before you attack - investigate. Before you slander - know who and what you are talking about.

What DO YOU know about the development of Chemical Warfare for the Government during WWI. I expect U know nothing and I suggest you START there - then and only then will you find your answers.

These two things are connected and I will let you figure that one out on your own. I suggest you start with the development of Chemical Warfare in WW1.

Jo, Let's speak frankly.

First, you don't know what you are talking about. Period!

You are blowing smoke about third hand versions of conversations that you have heard rumors of and those conversations may have never happened in the first place.

Second, you don't know anything about the aircraft industry, how it operates, how it has ever operated, how aircraft are designed, what engineers do in the design of aircraft, how aircraft are operated, etc., etc..

Third, to repeat, no one is going to have a copy of the schematics of an aircraft that is being developed under a major program in his home unless he stole them! Family "connections" wouldn't mean anything in this matter. Stealing proprietary information is still stealing!

Perhaps a story from Boeing's 707 design days will illustrate the above. When Boeing decided to design what became known as the 707, they set up restricted areas for the design team and the shop that hand built the original "Dash 80". Only approved people with special badges were allowed in these areas. They even used a mis-leading design number to help keep the project secret. One day the president of Boeing tried to enter one of these restricted areas without his special badge and he was refused entrance by the guards.

Fourth, your bringing up chemical warfare during WW1 doesn't have anything, repeat anything, to do with the production of aircraft post-WW2. This is just another of your attempts to distract everyone when you make meaningless and over-the-top statements.

Fifth, in your crusade to prove that you are really "Mrs. D. B. Cooper", you have not come up with a single piece of information that can survive the light of day. You have been trying to send everyone on more wild goose chases than there are probably wild geese in existence.

Sixth, in the search for the real D. B. Cooper, your actions are a hinderance rather than a help. It is very easy to see why you have so many problems with the FBI and others.

Robert99


Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 8:47 PM
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RobertMBlevins says without consideration of attribution or senior citizens:

I was quoting Kittinger from the post-jump press conference.”

Oh really, cuz I don’t see any attribution or credit given to those brilliant and humble words, from Mr. Kittinger. I suppose Kittinger should have his words plagiarized and tossed around with reckless abandon, since he doesn’t matter as an 84 year old man. Apparently Kittinger is now to be submitted to the abuse which RobertMBlevins so generously served to Bernie (86 year old man). Wasn’t the fact that he spent almost a year in the ‘Hanoi Hilton’ enough punishment for any man to endure for a lifetime? Why must you steal his thoughts RobertMBlevins? Will the disrespect and abuse of senior citizens ever be abated? It would be polite and show manners to respect these twilight year men by not calling them liars, or viciously stealing their very words. Why does the world have to be so un-polite and manner-less?

When I read that un-attributed comment, stolen from Kittinger; I’d never wished more that there was a god in heaven, but I was never more certain that there wasn’t.


mrshutter45

Oct 16, 2012, 9:00 PM
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Personally I don't even think working for Boeing is key, I would
tend to belive someone who was around the plane enough to put
two and two together, Vietnam vets, airport ground crew, they were
the ones who opened and closed it from the outside?

Vietnam vets had lots of grudges, while over there they hear the
hate from Americans calling them baby killers and spitting on
them once they got home.

much like the rest of the case, tons of variables Cool


skyjack71

Oct 16, 2012, 9:16 PM
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First, you don't know what you are talking about. Period!

You are blowing smoke about third hand versions of conversations that you have heard rumors of and those conversations may have never happened in the first place.

TongueThese are NOT 3rd person conversations or rumors and i am not blowing smoke.



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Third, to repeat, no one is going to have a copy of the schematics of an aircraft that is being developed under a major program in his home unless he stole them! Family "connections" wouldn't mean anything in this matter. Stealing proprietary information is still stealing!

NO one stole anything - there were subcontractors and you have to submit plans to get estimate or to create seating, paint and other things. Just how detailed these plans would be for such I do NOT know. BUT Boeing did NOT make it's own paint. Boeing did not weave fire deterent material for the upholstery nor did they manufacture the windows and other things.


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Fourth, your bringing up chemical warfare during WW1 doesn't have anything, repeat anything, to do with the production of aircraft post-WW2. This is just another of your attempts to distract everyone when you make meaningless and over-the-top statements.

ShockedNow what NERVE did I just hit with you? It is obvious that you KNOW what I am talking about regarding subcontractors and developers.



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Fifth, in your crusade to prove that you are really "Mrs. D. B. Cooper", you have not come up with a single piece of information that can survive the light of day. You have been trying to send everyone on more wild goose chases than there are probably wild geese in existence.

CoolReally - you think I am smart enough to pull something like that off for 17 YRS! A little slow in seeing some things, I will admit to...but, that is ALL!


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Sixth, in the search for the real D. B. Cooper, your actions are a hinderance rather than a help. It is very easy to see why you have so many problems with the FBI and others.

AND you can do better? What have you ever come up with.

If I had the intellect and knowledge and know-how of this thread - I wouldn't be here asking stupid old woman questions!

IF I had NOT hit a nerve regarding the 727 development and/or some other things - I have stated - YOU would not have made the explosive remarks you just made.

After ALL what can a stupid old woman know that could help solve this case. Was her husband really Cooper or did he just know who WAS. The grudge thing was only a reply to Tina's question - just an ordinary answer to a question from a 21 yr old. Cooper made the reply most people would have made under the circumstances.

Perhaps my next statement could be my last statement, but your off-the-wall response to my REAL and SIMPLE questions and postings was Off the WALL.



SmileCrazyLaugh
Could the 1971 SKYJACKING of a Boeing 727 have been - a publicity stunt? Now that one you can get REAL upset about, because that is the first and only FAR-FETCHED suggestion I have ever made in this thread as of recent.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 16, 2012, 9:44 PM)


BobKnoss

Oct 16, 2012, 9:21 PM
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From Boeings historical milestones....

"Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later."

'What if' discussions between pilots started a few weeks later. Pilot safety became an issue. Look it up.

Project Norjack was approved that winter/spring. Not quite a publicity stunt, but it comes mighty damned close by my estimations.

But I don't know a damned thing.


(This post was edited by BobKnoss on Oct 16, 2012, 9:29 PM)


Robert99

Oct 16, 2012, 9:44 PM
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From Boeings historical milestones....

"Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later."

'What if' discussions between pilots started a few weeks later. Pilot safety became an issue. Look it up.

Project Norjack was approved that winter/spring. Not quite a publicity stunt, but it comes mighty damned close by my estimations.

But I don't know a damned thing.

Knoss, I'll take your word for the last sentence but your earlier comments need corrections.

The first flight of the Boeing 727 was on February 9, 1963 and it's first revenue flight was with Eastern Air Lines on February 1, 1964.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Oct 17, 2012, 1:33 AM
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Knoss took that strictly from Wiki, of course.

(*insert evil laugh here*)


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georger

Oct 17, 2012, 1:40 AM
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In reply to:
Knoss took that strictly from Wiki, of course.

Are you a Republican, Knoss? No problem, but if so, I'll venture you won't like THIS.

There are more important things than Cooper sometimes. The future of America, for example.

(*insert evil laugh here*)

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

QUADE HAS REQUESTED ALL POLITICAL STUFF BE
KEPT OUT OF THE THREAD - DID YOU MISS THAT?

WHY-OH-WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THAT
RULE !??? OVER AND OVER AGAIN ??? WHILE
OTHERS HAVE THEIR POLITICAL POSTS TAKEN
DOWN ?

WHAT MAKES YOU SPECIAL! ?

PLEASE REMOVE YOUR POLITICAL POST SO QUADE
WONT HAVE TO DO IT TOMORROW -

A COPY OF YOUR POST HAS BEEN SENT TO QUADE.

... but of course you wont until compelled to - because YOU are special. CrazyLaugh


(This post was edited by georger on Oct 17, 2012, 1:49 AM)


RobertMBlevins

Oct 17, 2012, 2:20 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Knoss took that strictly from Wiki, of course.

Are you a Republican, Knoss? No problem, but if so, I'll venture you won't like THIS.

There are more important things than Cooper sometimes. The future of America, for example.

(*insert evil laugh here*)

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

QUADE HAS REQUESTED ALL POLITICAL STUFF BE
KEPT OUT OF THE THREAD - DID YOU MISS THAT?

WHY-OH-WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THAT
RULE !??? OVER AND OVER AGAIN ??? WHILE
OTHERS HAVE THEIR POLITICAL POSTS TAKEN
DOWN ?

WHAT MAKES YOU SPECIAL! ?

PLEASE REMOVE YOUR POLITICAL POST SO QUADE
WONT HAVE TO DO IT TOMORROW -

A COPY OF YOUR POST HAS BEEN SENT TO QUADE.

... but of course you wont until compelled to - because YOU are special. CrazyLaugh

Quade would be a lot busier if he had to remove all the posts where you jumped all over me with un-called-for insults...no matter WHAT I say.

You have a personal agenda, that's always been a given. Deny it and I may post up 'Top Fifty Insults by Georger'. In any case, your credibility has suffered as a result.

When you make your bed, you must also lie in it. However, since you're whining about the article link, I went ahead and took it down and moved it to Speakers' Corner. I have to say that for a supposedly smart guy, it wasn't too smart for you to copy over The Link to the Article along with your complaint...

You should edit that part out.

No wait...you can't since I quoted you. So I would have to go back on THIS post and make some changes because you haven't yet learned to properly edit your cut and paste stuff. Maybe if you quote me again you will get it right. Now you've got me totally confused. I give up.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 17, 2012, 2:38 AM)


mrshutter45

Oct 17, 2012, 3:06 AM
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Mr Truth says:
"Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later."

Shutter says"
I don't think you know much since you took it right off of Boeing's site!

http://www.boeing.com/...family/timeline.html

I noticed most of your "super memory" and knowledge comes from copy/paste quotes!

personally I would be more worried about who is watching you and what you can not change in your past comments!

Matt says:
"He is being looked at, by those he says he will only talk to, but they aren't looking at a whistle blower. A criminal of a different sort.

Glad he is back, it helps a lot! Makes this easy! "

Bob says"
"But I don't know a damned thing."

Shutter says:
not the important things!


377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 4:00 AM
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Jo,

Boeing had in the 1950s and still has paint specs which suppliers must meet. Access to system schematics by paint suppliers wasn't and isn't needed.

See e.g. http://www.boeingsuppliers.com/...tal/high_solids.html

377


(This post was edited by 377 on Oct 17, 2012, 9:51 AM)


377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqsGunPG4EE

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Amazon  (D License)

Oct 17, 2012, 11:26 AM
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Trust me when I say this.... Certain mods get their panties all twisted up when ANYONE dares to make a post with anything about GUNS RELIGION OR POLITICS outside of the forum called Speakers Corner.

It all stems back to the free for all that was a forum called TalkBack. The powers that be split that forum into the Bonfire and Speakers Corner years ago by the mods here at the Animal Farm.

I once had the audacity to put a link to what one mod deemed to be an offensive political nature to his way of thinking in my sigline.. and he banned my sigline for life.


(This post was edited by Amazon on Oct 17, 2012, 11:28 AM)


georger

Oct 17, 2012, 1:28 PM
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In reply to:
Trust me when I say this.... Certain mods get their panties all twisted up when ANYONE dares to make a post with anything about GUNS RELIGION OR POLITICS outside of the forum called Speakers Corner.

It all stems back to the free for all that was a forum called TalkBack. The powers that be split that forum into the Bonfire and Speakers Corner years ago by the mods here at the Animal Farm.

I once had the audacity to put a link to what one mod deemed to be an offensive political nature to his way of thinking in my sigline.. and he banned my sigline for life.

I happen to agree with that policy - there are
enough 'feuds' going on without the addition of
politics, religion, etc. So I strongly back Quade's
mandate on this. Some get sucked in not knowing
the policy, after someone who knows better posts
anyway. That is especially galling, to me (just my
personal take).

On a better note, Im interested in exactly when and
how Baumgartner started the spin, based on yours
and Farf's comments about this. But I have found no
exact timeline anywhere. I note the photos showing
Baum. head down arms out just prior to the spin,
and a general timeline which reads like this:

Not sure if any of this applies to Cooper (or the
recent Cash skydive program on Discovery)? I
wonder what you see and think ???

Time Altitude
0:00 (18.08 utc (39.045 kilometres (24.261
mi) Alt: 128k feet opens the door and jumps

00:40-42 approximately 30,000 metres (98,000
ft), reaches Mach 1.2 (834 mph)

0:42 reached maximum velocity of 1,342.8 k/h

1:15-2:00 (2:40?) entered an uncontrolled spin
- altitude?

3:30 approx successfully righted the spin, denser
air slows B.

So was in the spin for approx 2+ minutes from
altitude ? to altitude?

The spin I saw (gif attached) is head over heels, not
on a horizontal axis... ?

Photos and spin gif attached.


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Amazon  (D License)

Oct 17, 2012, 2:34 PM
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I watched it live.. and noted that the voice feed had Felixbreathing pretty hard when the spin was going on. the video from the cameras he was wearing he was more in a flat spin on his back...not good not good at allUnimpressed

Trust me... getting unstable at high speeds can REALLLLY hurt. I have managed to do that a few times at speeds in excess of 250 MPH...Spins can kill... I know of more than one skydiver that did not make it after entering a spin and passing out Unsure


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