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RobertMBlevins

Oct 17, 2012, 1:33 AM
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Knoss took that strictly from Wiki, of course.

(*insert evil laugh here*)


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georger

Oct 17, 2012, 1:40 AM
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In reply to:
Knoss took that strictly from Wiki, of course.

Are you a Republican, Knoss? No problem, but if so, I'll venture you won't like THIS.

There are more important things than Cooper sometimes. The future of America, for example.

(*insert evil laugh here*)

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

QUADE HAS REQUESTED ALL POLITICAL STUFF BE
KEPT OUT OF THE THREAD - DID YOU MISS THAT?

WHY-OH-WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THAT
RULE !??? OVER AND OVER AGAIN ??? WHILE
OTHERS HAVE THEIR POLITICAL POSTS TAKEN
DOWN ?

WHAT MAKES YOU SPECIAL! ?

PLEASE REMOVE YOUR POLITICAL POST SO QUADE
WONT HAVE TO DO IT TOMORROW -

A COPY OF YOUR POST HAS BEEN SENT TO QUADE.

... but of course you wont until compelled to - because YOU are special. CrazyLaugh


(This post was edited by georger on Oct 17, 2012, 1:49 AM)


RobertMBlevins

Oct 17, 2012, 2:20 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Knoss took that strictly from Wiki, of course.

Are you a Republican, Knoss? No problem, but if so, I'll venture you won't like THIS.

There are more important things than Cooper sometimes. The future of America, for example.

(*insert evil laugh here*)

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

QUADE HAS REQUESTED ALL POLITICAL STUFF BE
KEPT OUT OF THE THREAD - DID YOU MISS THAT?

WHY-OH-WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THAT
RULE !??? OVER AND OVER AGAIN ??? WHILE
OTHERS HAVE THEIR POLITICAL POSTS TAKEN
DOWN ?

WHAT MAKES YOU SPECIAL! ?

PLEASE REMOVE YOUR POLITICAL POST SO QUADE
WONT HAVE TO DO IT TOMORROW -

A COPY OF YOUR POST HAS BEEN SENT TO QUADE.

... but of course you wont until compelled to - because YOU are special. CrazyLaugh

Quade would be a lot busier if he had to remove all the posts where you jumped all over me with un-called-for insults...no matter WHAT I say.

You have a personal agenda, that's always been a given. Deny it and I may post up 'Top Fifty Insults by Georger'. In any case, your credibility has suffered as a result.

When you make your bed, you must also lie in it. However, since you're whining about the article link, I went ahead and took it down and moved it to Speakers' Corner. I have to say that for a supposedly smart guy, it wasn't too smart for you to copy over The Link to the Article along with your complaint...

You should edit that part out.

No wait...you can't since I quoted you. So I would have to go back on THIS post and make some changes because you haven't yet learned to properly edit your cut and paste stuff. Maybe if you quote me again you will get it right. Now you've got me totally confused. I give up.


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mrshutter45

Oct 17, 2012, 3:06 AM
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Mr Truth says:
"Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later."

Shutter says"
I don't think you know much since you took it right off of Boeing's site!

http://www.boeing.com/...family/timeline.html

I noticed most of your "super memory" and knowledge comes from copy/paste quotes!

personally I would be more worried about who is watching you and what you can not change in your past comments!

Matt says:
"He is being looked at, by those he says he will only talk to, but they aren't looking at a whistle blower. A criminal of a different sort.

Glad he is back, it helps a lot! Makes this easy! "

Bob says"
"But I don't know a damned thing."

Shutter says:
not the important things!


377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 4:00 AM
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Jo,

Boeing had in the 1950s and still has paint specs which suppliers must meet. Access to system schematics by paint suppliers wasn't and isn't needed.

See e.g. http://www.boeingsuppliers.com/...tal/high_solids.html

377


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377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
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A different kind of Boeing 727 jump [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqsGunPG4EE

377


Amazon  (D License)

Oct 17, 2012, 11:26 AM
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Trust me when I say this.... Certain mods get their panties all twisted up when ANYONE dares to make a post with anything about GUNS RELIGION OR POLITICS outside of the forum called Speakers Corner.

It all stems back to the free for all that was a forum called TalkBack. The powers that be split that forum into the Bonfire and Speakers Corner years ago by the mods here at the Animal Farm.

I once had the audacity to put a link to what one mod deemed to be an offensive political nature to his way of thinking in my sigline.. and he banned my sigline for life.


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georger

Oct 17, 2012, 1:28 PM
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In reply to:
Trust me when I say this.... Certain mods get their panties all twisted up when ANYONE dares to make a post with anything about GUNS RELIGION OR POLITICS outside of the forum called Speakers Corner.

It all stems back to the free for all that was a forum called TalkBack. The powers that be split that forum into the Bonfire and Speakers Corner years ago by the mods here at the Animal Farm.

I once had the audacity to put a link to what one mod deemed to be an offensive political nature to his way of thinking in my sigline.. and he banned my sigline for life.

I happen to agree with that policy - there are
enough 'feuds' going on without the addition of
politics, religion, etc. So I strongly back Quade's
mandate on this. Some get sucked in not knowing
the policy, after someone who knows better posts
anyway. That is especially galling, to me (just my
personal take).

On a better note, Im interested in exactly when and
how Baumgartner started the spin, based on yours
and Farf's comments about this. But I have found no
exact timeline anywhere. I note the photos showing
Baum. head down arms out just prior to the spin,
and a general timeline which reads like this:

Not sure if any of this applies to Cooper (or the
recent Cash skydive program on Discovery)? I
wonder what you see and think ???

Time Altitude
0:00 (18.08 utc (39.045 kilometres (24.261
mi) Alt: 128k feet opens the door and jumps

00:40-42 approximately 30,000 metres (98,000
ft), reaches Mach 1.2 (834 mph)

0:42 reached maximum velocity of 1,342.8 k/h

1:15-2:00 (2:40?) entered an uncontrolled spin
- altitude?

3:30 approx successfully righted the spin, denser
air slows B.

So was in the spin for approx 2+ minutes from
altitude ? to altitude?

The spin I saw (gif attached) is head over heels, not
on a horizontal axis... ?

Photos and spin gif attached.


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Amazon  (D License)

Oct 17, 2012, 2:34 PM
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I watched it live.. and noted that the voice feed had Felixbreathing pretty hard when the spin was going on. the video from the cameras he was wearing he was more in a flat spin on his back...not good not good at allUnimpressed

Trust me... getting unstable at high speeds can REALLLLY hurt. I have managed to do that a few times at speeds in excess of 250 MPH...Spins can kill... I know of more than one skydiver that did not make it after entering a spin and passing out Unsure


Robert99

Oct 17, 2012, 2:50 PM
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In reply to:
I watched it live.. and noted that the voice feed had Felixbreathing pretty hard when the spin was going on. the video from the cameras he was wearing he was more in a flat spin on his back...not good not good at allUnimpressed

Trust me... getting unstable at high speeds can REALLLLY hurt. I have managed to do that a few times at speeds in excess of 250 MPH...Spins can kill... I know of more than one skydiver that did not make it after entering a spin and passing out Unsure

Do you have a link to the cameras that he was wearing? I didn't see any video from them. And is there a link to the YouTube or Discovery Channel video?

Robert99


Farflung

Oct 17, 2012, 3:37 PM
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Because I care too much, I have generously researched the landing zone where Felix the skydiver, the wonderful, wonderful skydiver; touched down.

After lifting off from the Roswell Intergalactic Airport and Global Freak Welcome Center, which has an elevation of 3671 feet, he landed at a spot which appears to be within 4440 to 4460 feet. That’s about 779 feet higher than where he launched.

I know this will be appreciated by many on this thread because it is about accuracy, validation, cross checking, source attribution and open source reviews which are utter unknowns on this thread, so I don’t know where I was going with that. Sorry, my bad.
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mrshutter45

Oct 17, 2012, 3:52 PM
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It should be very simple to prove John was connected to Boeing, tax returns, employment history, w-2's etc etc.
why would you not pursue a lead such as this?

"Could the 1971 SKYJACKING of a Boeing 727 have been - a publicity stunt?"
I'm guessing this was a joke?


377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 4:26 PM
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Felix exceeded the speed of light. MSNBC says so, so it must be true. The Lorentz contractions in that spin must have been awful. I know Georger will appreciate that joke.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...fpost-cards-headline

377


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377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 4:35 PM
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Amazon wrote
Quote:
I watched it live.. and noted that the voice feed had Felixbreathing pretty hard when the spin was going on. the video from the cameras he was wearing he was more in a flat spin on his back...not good not good at all

Trust me... getting unstable at high speeds can REALLLLY hurt.

Been there Amazon. Got to do a test jump for SSK/CYPRES. I was outfitted with a black box full of pressure sensors and recorders. Exited from a firewalled C 130, est 270 knots.

I now know what its like to be put through a spin and tuble cycle in a washing machine. Whew.

They wanted data to see if a Cypres could be tricked into firing high in a violent spin tumble.

377


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Oct 17, 2012, 4:57 PM
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In reply to:
Trust me when I say this.... Certain mods get their panties all twisted up when ANYONE dares to make a post with anything about GUNS RELIGION OR POLITICS outside of the forum called Speakers Corner.

It all stems back to the free for all that was a forum called TalkBack. The powers that be split that forum into the Bonfire and Speakers Corner years ago by the mods here at the Animal Farm.

I once had the audacity to put a link to what one mod deemed to be an offensive political nature to his way of thinking in my sigline.. and he banned my sigline for life.

I try to be a bit cooler about it, but as anyone who has been around long enough knows, I have my limits.

At this point there is no excuse in this thread and the next occurrence by anyone will be grounds for a banning. Pretty long one too.


377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 5:04 PM
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Quade wrote
Quote:
next occurrence by anyone will be grounds for a banning. Pretty long one too.

If bans for misbehavior can be "pretty long" don't you think Snowmman's ban has reached that point? How about letting him back Quade. He can help steer this drifting forum back into DBC related stuff.

We need more about Ted Braden and Sheridan Peterson to offset the Duane Weber and Bob Knoss subject matter dominance.

377


Farflung

Oct 17, 2012, 5:25 PM
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GASP! [In reply to] Can't Post

It turns out that a stabilization device was prototyped around the time of Kittinger’s jump. It was a three-axis unit called the GASP (Gyro Augmented Stabilization Pack) and is surprisingly small. Attached is a PDF file from the gubberment, with all kinds of declassification stamps to give bonerz to some, and it was published at Wright-Patterson AFB, where the Roswell Alien bodies and UFOs are stored, so the conspiracy psychos will have something to make them happy too.

http://www.dtic.mil/...lltext/u2/295627.pdf

It seems like this would have been a nice R&D device to have gone up in the Zenith with Felix. All the bombast and bluster this thread can create (and it creates mammoth amounts), won’t change the laws of physics, no matter how many times one makes claims to the contrary. In near space, you could send a contortionist, with eleven foot arms and legs, in a precise spread eagle configuration, and would accomplish nothing more than a bowling ball or sack of kitty litter could in regard to stabilization. But don’t let that detract from any barstool rebuttals; no.

I thought such a device could be spun up with some on-board gas with an inertial decay rate that is aligned with the increase of air density where it peters out at an altitude where there are hundreds of thousands of data points for control. Instead of Kittinger, Felix and some U-2 and SR-71 crewmembers who represent all the ‘jumps’ above the Armstrong Altitude.

I’ve gone the extra mile, once again and updated the name: Freefall Ancillary Recovery Force. I feel this name better reflects things that are both manly and desirable, which will still allow some (code for: chicks) to GASP. You’re welcome.
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377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 5:44 PM
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farf wrote
Quote:
I thought such a device could be spun up with some on-board gas with an inertial decay rate that is aligned with the increase of air density where it peters out at an altitude where there are hundreds of thousands of data points for control.

Cool!

I once bought some modules labeled gyro at a DOD surplus auction. They were hermetically sealed square module cans with TIGHTLY wound powerful clocksprings in them for driving a rotating mass. A fuseable link allowed the spring to be released and the gyro rotor spun up. A short blast of 28 VDC aircraft power would melt the link and the gyro would spin up very very quickly and remain spinning fast for quite a few minutes. Gyro position outputs were taken from a potentiometer and output through a plug. Seems a lot simpler than a gas drive. I later was told that these were used in air to air missiles. They could stand ready for duty for centuries given their simplicity and dry nitrogen gas filled can environment.

I heard you like spinners Farf, so I knew this would be of interest.

377


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 17, 2012, 8:53 PM
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Can we at least get rid of any thing: Not Cooper related, proven lie, PA, distraction form the subject, and remind the posters there are other forums and threads for Felix's GREAT Skydiving accomplishment if Height and Speed, as well as their dick measuring contests?

Matt


georger

Oct 17, 2012, 8:59 PM
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In reply to:
farf wrote
Quote:
I thought such a device could be spun up with some on-board gas with an inertial decay rate that is aligned with the increase of air density where it peters out at an altitude where there are hundreds of thousands of data points for control.

Cool!

I once bought some modules labeled gyro at a DOD surplus auction. They were hermetically sealed square module cans with TIGHTLY wound powerful clocksprings in them for driving a rotating mass. A fuseable link allowed the spring to be released and the gyro rotor spun up. A short blast of 28 VDC aircraft power would melt the link and the gyro would spin up very very quickly and remain spinning fast for quite a few minutes. Gyro position outputs were taken from a potentiometer and output through a plug. Seems a lot simpler than a gas drive. I later was told that these were used in air to air missiles. They could stand ready for duty for centuries given their simplicity and dry nitrogen gas filled can environment.

I heard you like spinners Farf, so I knew this would be of interest.

377

The pdf is interesting. This was designed to address
stability issues for space workers in zero-gravity,
....eg. Hubble telescope work comes to
mind. Not sure this has any applicability to skydivers
or if that kind of device would even be allowed in
terms of setting records? The weight (mass) of the
device would be a consideration in terms of velocity
- accepted velocity records - 210lbs of person/ 500
lbs of gyro! New record: mach 3! Laugh

They could come up with a 'gyro assisted catagory' ?
(weight limit 2000 lbs.)


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377  (F 666)

Oct 17, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Who is to say DBC didn't have an inertial stability augmentation device? Makes as much sense as a back brace designed to vibrate upon receiving VOR radial signals. Wink

How about some support for a Snowmman pardon or at least parole?
He doesn't get distracted like we do. It would be good for the forum.

377


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georger

Oct 17, 2012, 9:10 PM
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In reply to:
Can we at least get rid of any thing: Not Cooper related, proven lie, PA, distraction form the subject, and remind the posters there are other forums and threads for Felix's GREAT Skydiving accomplishment if Height and Speed, as well as their dick measuring contests?

Matt

Maybe Cooper (Duane) had a gyro in his brown
paper bag? (or Flux Capacitor).

All divers in the CRASH (Disc) show went out the
stairs head first vs ass-backwards - yes? That
applies.

Maybe Cooper was a relative of Baumgartners? !!
Ja? Did Herr Baumgratner's ancestors have Cooper
Comics on the wall. The possibilities are endless!
Laugh


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georger

Oct 17, 2012, 9:13 PM
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In reply to:
Who is to say DBC didn't have an inertial stability augmentation device? Makes as much sense as a back brace designed to vibrate upon receiving VOR radial signals. Wink

How about some support for a Snowmman pardon or at least parole?
He doesn't get distracted like we do. It would be good for the forum.

377

We finally find an area to compromise.

You get radioes.

I get gyros!

Laugh


Farflung

Oct 17, 2012, 9:28 PM
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Georger,

I don’t see where space suits have any applicability to skydiving either, but Kittinger and Felix most certainly proved how flesh and blood they were, by wearing the things. It is the ‘Sky God’ element that feels the need to defy physics every half century, and claim a Pyrrhic victory. Approaching the 37 thousandth comment, and already people (OK person) are saturated by any mention of Felix on the vaunted DBC thread after four days. This after MONTHS and MONTHS, of endless drivel about ‘TOG’, which never had anything to do with: Cooper, Jumping, Aviation or Reality. Amazing!

The GASP is a three axis system, and as you pointed out, the force of gravity at 130,000 feet, is almost the same as sea level. So….. why not use that as the ‘Free Space’ on the stabilization Bingo Card and have an X/Y stabilized device which uses gravity as a default Z? Thus eliminating the ‘man in the loop’ joystick on the GASP, to control attitude? No different than the ‘pressure suit’ (Space Suit for the skydivers) offering a momentary and systemic, artificial environment, just like maintaining stability. I truly don’t see the deviation from an ethos which allows 180,000 cubic feet of helium, and a forty acre envelope, to deliver the ‘jumper’ to altitude.

It’s all for not, as any allegory, simile or associated research which demonstrates the process of R&D is to be identified as: witchcraft in less than 96 hours. Same as the flow of information on Cooper’s tie clip, flight path and seat selection have suffered at the hands of those who declare what is (TOG) and isn’t (Felix, tie clips, seats, flight paths) worthy of intelligent, independent and collaborative discussion.

Please, can’t we all just talk about Duane?


skyjack71

Oct 17, 2012, 9:30 PM
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The first flight of the Boeing 727 was on February 9, 1963 and it's first revenue flight was with Eastern Air Lines on February 1, 1964.

Robert99

Thank You for that information and it fits!


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