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RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 2:50 AM
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Laid back? Is that how I appeared on Decoded? I just saw a post back there about that. That's only because it was TV and you have to be polite. I suppose most of the time I am.

There have been OTHER times, though. Like the time I was washed out into the Pacific for a few days with nothing more than a leaky raft. Or spending over a month stranded in the Cascades and really not caring that much. (It was just camping to me, more or less)

But the time I faced down a wounded bear with nothing more than a Belgian Browning .22, now that was something else. A camping trip in the Olympics, a day hike, and a poor bear that a hunter had stupidly wounded and let escape.

I had about three seconds to decide what to do. So I did it. Rather than sending you to the article, I'll just reprint it here. Laid back? That's a laugh.

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'I don't hunt that much, but when I do, we EAT the results and sell the hide to the local guy who buys that stuff. This was not one of those times.

Let me share a really scary story here.

A few years back I was camping with a friend up in the high country of the Olympic mountains. We were at the very end of a Forest Service road near a small lake where nobody goes much. We weren't there to hunt, just to do a little fishing.

I went hiking away from camp, and my hike took me to the top of a clear-cut, so I started down, intending to go up the other side to a mountain trail. There was a big brown bear at the bottom of the clear cut. We made eye contact. He was about 100 yards away. The second he saw me, he started charging up the hill. I could actually see his shoulder muscles rippling as he ran up the hill toward me. I realized in an instant that running away was not an option. He would have caught me in seconds.

The only weapon I had was a .22 caliber Belgian Browning automatic. I took it out and started shooting at him. Pop, pop, pop. After about pop number seven, he turned away and tried to hide beneath a fallen log that was lying up against a big boulder. I know I hit him at least five times. He's charging up the hill, I am taking aim and firing.

Well, he's wounded now and I know he will come back and ravage our campsite later, maybe even kill us. I shouted for my friend Jeff to bring the rifle. It's a Marlin 22 tube-loader. We didn't have any bigger firepower going for that trip. Jeff comes over and we climb onto the top of a boulder to get an angle and spot the bear hiding down in the clear cut. We opened up with everything we had, putting maybe sixty rounds into this bear.

Finally...the bear falls over, but it's in the high grass and we can't see it anymore. Someone has to go down and check it to make sure it's dead. We flipped a coin. I lost.

I go down into the clear cut with this Belgian Browning fully extended in front of me, ready to pop off ten quick rounds if necessary...and run like hell if needed. The bear is dead.

When I get closer, I saw the bear had been wounded previously by some idiot hunter who hadn't finished it off, and the wound smelled to high heaven. This is why the bear charged without warning. It was in terrible pain. It was a BS thing all around and we sure didn't like having to finish what that hunter started. I almost had a heart attack when he came up that friggin' hill.

On the way home we stopped in at the local ranger station and told them what happened. They weren't mad at us, only the hunter who wounded the bear...'

None of you posting here know me at all. Not really. You just believe you do. Feel free to rip me to shreds for killing the bear (something I did NOT enjoy doing) but I would do the same thing again in the same situation.

Lesson: Don't go camping with me.


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mrshutter45

Oct 16, 2012, 3:01 AM
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Jo, one of your first moves about John should have been finding any information to support the "Boeing " link.

If I'm not mistaken the word "Schematic" typically means electrical drawings.

I agree with Robert99, those would be classified documents which would give us yet another Weber thief.

you yourself said John and Duane didn't get a long so how did he get a hold of the documents?

even if he had the drawings, did he know how to read them? they will not explain the rear stairs could be opened in flight.


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377  (F 666)

Oct 16, 2012, 4:21 AM
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even if he had the drawings, did he know how to read them? they will not explain the rear stairs could be opened in flight.

Correct. I have the basic 727 tech manuals (flight, systems, etc) and none disclose that the air stairs can be deployed in flight. I am an engineer and do know how read schematics. I very much doubt if Duane could read electrical or hydraulic schematics. Even if he could, the 727 schematics and system diagrams do not answer the critical question about flying with the stairs down.

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smokin99

Oct 16, 2012, 8:44 AM
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Then Felix is standing on his capsule’s front porch in near space and steps into a virtual vacuum where stabilization is a concern. So here’s what I thought after opening a third beer. Why not leverage Newton’s law while maintaining your ‘Z’ axis via gravity, with a ‘step off’ that induces an intentional rotation around that axis from the platform?


lol..Gotta love a man of science. The only thing I think while opening that third beer is "now where did I put the freakin cheetos?" Smile


Robert99

Oct 16, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Then Felix is standing on his capsule’s front porch in near space and steps into a virtual vacuum where stabilization is a concern. So here’s what I thought after opening a third beer. Why not leverage Newton’s law while maintaining your ‘Z’ axis via gravity, with a ‘step off’ that induces an intentional rotation around that axis from the platform?


lol..Gotta love a man of science. The only thing I think while opening that third beer is "now where did I put the freakin cheetos?" Smile

Interestingly enough, there is information somewhere on the Red Bull web page that thought was given to spinning with a drogue chute open.

In Kittinger's jump, I understand that the drogue chute was connected to the middle of the back pack. Therefore, Kittinger could actually get into a bad flat spin even with the drogue open.

In Felix Baumgartner's case, the drogue was attached to the top of the left shoulder of the harness. Deploying the drogue, which could be done either manually or automatically, would move him into a heads up position and, being offset from the body's centerline, would stop the spinning (at least in theory).

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Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 10:24 AM
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Georger says all science-y:

Any spin at that alititude would produce some drag
vs the vertical gravitational component. Gravity at
128k is virtually the same as on the surface of the
earth - not weightless space where forces can be
rather quickly balanced if need be
.”

Exactly. So I figured that some ‘benchmarking’ of other industries and sciences was in order. What other activity requires precise control of induced forces which counteract one another with an extremely high reliability?

First I figured a student should spend hours and hours in a Barany chair, for reasons I have not managed to define as of yet. But if I was forced to be humiliated in one of those things, while a fetching Flight Nurse looked on, then so will everyone else. I’m consistent like that.

This would progress to the study of ballet, where the creation of an instant and stable spin is required in order to maintain poise and balance upon return to the surface. These diaphanous women manage to complete several revolutions using nothing more than their sculpted, feminine and hypnotic legs, while elevating themselves on the tips of their toes. This would make for a logical primary training in body stabilization in a small time frame. Plus, have you seen the legs on those ballerinas? I could think of worse things to getting washed-back on that phase of training.

Next is a group of people who don’t have the luxury of tens of thousands of feet, to get their act together before a bone crushing return to Earth. Not only do they have to stabilize in a scant few seconds, they do it with virtually no equipment, unlike the safety apparel laden skydiver. Of course I’m referring to divers who stand at the nape of a death altitude, then with the utmost precision and repeatability, jump, spin, stabilize and break the surface of the water with barely a ripple. They do this, all the while looking scorching hot while they wait or towel off or give their teammates long congratulatory hugs. This is obviously the next level of study if the science of aviation is to expect any advances in the next century.

Again, because I care too much, I’ve decided to establish a center for the training of spin stabilized jumping, in a near vacuum, so the person to break the ‘Red Bull’ record won’t have to worry about grey-outs or uncontrolled descents. This combination of space flight dynamics with arcane ‘Air Breather’ techniques is what will propel the next jump to 250,000 feet, or as the units will be renamed once one of my graduates shatters this record; 250,000 farfs. Yes.
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Robert99

Oct 16, 2012, 10:42 AM
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In reply to:
Georger says all science-y:

Any spin at that alititude would produce some drag
vs the vertical gravitational component. Gravity at
128k is virtually the same as on the surface of the
earth - not weightless space where forces can be
rather quickly balanced if need be
.”

Exactly. So I figured that some ‘benchmarking’ of other industries and sciences was in order. What other activity requires precise control of induced forces which counteract one another with an extremely high reliability?

First I figured a student should spend hours and hours in a Barany chair, for reasons I have not managed to define as of yet. But if I was forced to be humiliated in one of those things, while a fetching Flight Nurse looked on, then so will everyone else. I’m consistent like that.

This would progress to the study of ballet, where the creation of an instant and stable spin is required in order to maintain poise and balance upon return to the surface. These diaphanous women manage to complete several revolutions using nothing more than their sculpted, feminine and hypnotic legs, while elevating themselves on the tips of their toes. This would make for a logical primary training in body stabilization in a small time frame. Plus, have you seen the legs on those ballerinas? I could think of worse things to getting washed-back on that phase of training.

Next is a group of people who don’t have the luxury of tens of thousands of feet, to get their act together before a bone crushing return to Earth. Not only do they have to stabilize in a scant few seconds, they do it with virtually no equipment, unlike the safety apparel laden skydiver. Of course I’m referring to divers who stand at the nape of a death altitude, then with the utmost precision and repeatability, jump, spin, stabilize and break the surface of the water with barely a ripple. They do this, all the while looking scorching hot while they wait or towel off or give their teammates long congratulatory hugs. This is obviously the next level of study if the science of aviation is to expect any advances in the next century.

Again, because I care too much, I’ve decided to establish a center for the training of spin stabilized jumping, in a near vacuum, so the person to break the ‘Red Bull’ record won’t have to worry about grey-outs or uncontrolled descents. This combination of space flight dynamics with arcane ‘Air Breather’ techniques is what will propel the next jump to 250,000 feet, or as the units will be renamed once one of my graduates shatters this record; 250,000 farfs. Yes.

The word is that Felix had spent a lot of time practicing that first step in order to prevent any rotation or spinning. And when he disappeared from view, maybe two miles below the capsule, the overhead camera was still showing him in a very stable and slightly head down position.

I think the people in the control room were actually cheering because he was so stable.

Robert99


377  (F 666)

Oct 16, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Farf wrote
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Again, because I care too much, I’ve decided to establish a center for the training of spin stabilized jumping,

Sign me up Farf. Bring on the Ballerinas. Are they Russian?

An easier stab augmentation could have been employed: a pre spun gyro mass strapped to Felix in an orientation that would buck a flat spin.

The latest yachts are now using internal rotating masses to counter roll rather than the older external gyro controlled anti roll fins. Less drag, better fuel economy.

http://www.seakeeper.com/

Sheridan Peterson has been active in 2012 on Google Plus. It's his usual anti govt anti war stuff. You gotta love an old lefty skydiver. Somehow this ranting has more cred coming from Sheridan an ex Marine, ex USFS smoke jumper, and Nam advisor than if it came from an old hippie.

Sheridan, if you are reading this just say hello. I am not FBI or CIA, just an old jumper with politics similar to yours who'd like to meet you and chat. I pass through Windsor now and then and would be honored to buy you a meal, some beer and listen to your thoughts on a variety of subjects that I think we share an interest in.

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Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Robert99,

The capsule Felix jumped from represented the best horizon reference and fixed platform to establish a controlled rotation, thus it appeared to be designed to step off- versus- setting an axis of rotation. A couple of gyros could have been integrated into the jump, but I prefer simple before complex solutions. Another technique could have been designed into the exterior platform, where the floor begins a rotation while dropping away like the door on a gallows. That may be too surreal of a design considering some of the potential results.

I was trained to use the ‘tuck’ (cannonball) position when bailing out. No pirouettes, gainers or face down, frog modified postures, just a tuck. I’m willing to bet, if I fell out of a plane, I would go into a ‘tuck’ position. This was considered the simplest and safest technique to train aircrew, and it comforted us since we could also use that position to kiss our ass goodbye. So everybody wins.

Since Kittinger used the step off technique, which resulted in a spin, it only makes sense that when Felix stepped off, the result would be a spin. You are still in a near vacuum where aerodynamic forces are minimal. Just like the Apollo 15 experiment where a hammer and feather were dropped and hit the surface of the Moon at the same moment. I realize there are legions of people who believe he should have used a duck’s feather instead of one from a falcon to alter the results.

If I had to choose a devil, I would choose the smallest one. I’m assuming (assuming here) that a controlled spin around the ‘Z’ axis of the human body would deliver the lowest risk, while approaching heavier air where body control can be used to establish a stable (non rotating) descent posture. Those women diving off thirty foot high platforms achieve stable postures with very limited benefit of drag forces versus inertial energies. But how radical can one be with something so rare and expensive? The goal was to break some records and the ‘Red Bull’ team certainly did that with great results, no one was hurt. Of course that won’t impede my quest for ‘Continuous Improvement’, be it aviation or finding a way to hang out with ballerinas under the guise of helping all mankind.


Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 11:56 AM
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You beat me to the ‘Gyro’ solution 377. Just more evidence of how similar problems, approached from different locations, by different people, can result in similar solutions. Assuming there isn’t any undue bias from Sasquatches, Roswell Aliens or Elvis sightings.

As far as the ballerinas, cut me and I bleed red, white and blue; so Americans First! Unless some Russian ballerina has a smoking bod, then it’s straight to INS for her, because in every drop dead beautiful Russian woman is an American, trying to gain employment at the Farflung Flight Academy.


RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 1:03 PM
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'Records are made to be broken...'

(*Insert evil laugh here*)
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Farflung

Oct 16, 2012, 2:11 PM
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RobertMBlevins declares:

” His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.”

Before issuing a ‘revision’ with:

Records are made to be broken

I thought that was….. ummm…. hold on I got a ‘Tweet’….. yeah, that’s great…. Brb… so as I was saying my new I-phone has made me more efficient…. Hold on a sec….. got a text…. LOL ASIB SSDD SSIA…. Umm I like chocolate milk…. Me….. I’m hot… bigger, faster, better than yours…. I un-suck.. so yeah, there.
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RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 2:18 PM
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In reply to:
RobertMBlevins declares:

” His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.”

Before issuing a ‘revision’ with:

Records are made to be broken

I thought that was….. ummm…. hold on I got a ‘Tweet’….. yeah, that’s great…. Brb… so as I was saying my new I-phone has made me more efficient…. Hold on a sec….. got a text…. LOL ASIB SSDD SSIA…. Umm I like chocolate milk…. Me….. I’m hot… bigger, faster, better than yours…. I un-suck.. so yeah, there.

LOL...it's a CARTOON. I was quoting Kittinger from the post-jump press conference.


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377  (F 666)

Oct 16, 2012, 2:41 PM
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A different perspective on Felix's leap.

http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=yFU774q6eVM

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mrshutter45

Oct 16, 2012, 2:49 PM
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A different perspective on Felix's leap.

http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=yFU774q6eVM

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over 3 million hits in two days Cool


RobertMBlevins

Oct 16, 2012, 2:59 PM
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That video is WAY funnier than my cartoon. Cool

However, I decided to do another one. It's a slow day.


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skyjack71

Oct 16, 2012, 7:45 PM
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JO STATED:
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The brother told me about the Schematics to the 727 and other Boeings being all over the house.....because of what John did.

Robert 99 stated:
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Jo, This is nonsense. If John had those documents, which is very unlikely, then he stole them.

Call it what you want, but those are his words. John was an engineer - I do not know his employment record (that is for the FBI to know).

From the beginning of innovation,
not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today. An investigation of his (John's) background will be the only thing that can be used for you to make such a flagrant statement. You are attacking the credibility of a well known man who was loyal to his country - without actual knowledge of his involvement and the involvement of his associates.

I have explained the family connections to the company that provided the "paint" and engineered the "paint" used on the Boeings. Before you attack - investigate. Before you slander - know who and what you are talking about.

What DO YOU know about the development of Chemical Warfare for the Government during WWI. I expect U know nothing and I suggest you START there - then and only then will you find your answers.

These two things are connected and I will let you figure that one out on your own. I suggest you start with the development of Chemical Warfare in WW1.


377  (F 666)

Oct 16, 2012, 7:57 PM
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Jo wrote
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not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today

Jo,

During the time that Boeing was developing the 727 they had a well established system to keep proprietary and classified info from being disclosed outside the company. It wasn't casual or informal.

The commercial airliner business was and still is highly competitive. Mfrs guard their new product technical details quite closely.

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skyjack71

Oct 16, 2012, 8:07 PM
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Jo, one of your first moves about John should have been finding any information to support the "Boeing " link.

If I'm not mistaken the word "Schematic" typically means electrical drawings.

I agree with Robert99, those would be classified documents which would give us yet another Weber thief.

you yourself said John and Duane didn't get a long so how did he get a hold of the documents?

even if he had the drawings, did he know how to read them? they will not explain the rear stairs could be opened in flight.


SmileIt was JOHN'S suggestion that was how Duane may have obtained some of his knowledge of the Boeing. I did NOT think to ask JOHN more questions. The schematics maybe my wording, but I believe that is what John said. Remember the Boeing 727 was on the drawing board for yrs before it finally went into productions. At one time I asked if anyone had a list of those invited to the grand display of the 1st Boeing 727....by the way - what yr was that. I am too lazy to look it up.
It happened in CA. didn't it? Was NOT all invited who participated in the final results?

I am sure Duane in 1971 found a way or already knew about the aft stairs. Duane mentioned a man to me who flew planes out of Thun and to Alaska and Vancouver, Canada. In this brief conversation he mention Burnaby and Bellingham and mentioned government contracts. Was this John's friend? How did Duane know him? I don't know - that is for the FBI to find out? I told the FBI about this and where to look for property records that may reveal the other man's name. I have tried to find this man, but with NO name and what little I have revealed above.

How was John and Duane connected to Boeing and this friend? Now you know about as much as I do about this mystery man and Duane's knowledge of him. I put this in the hands of the FBI many yrs ago - but, they do NOT acknowledge me or the things I provided to them. Of course I would later learn little to nothing of what I told Mr. H ever went to the FBI....

P.S. For 377:
Access to development and manufacturing:

The company providing and/or developing the exterior paint and finishes would have had the plans and/or Schematics. They would have been necessary for the development of the finish.

WinkIS anyone smart enough out there to find out who developed and provided the paint and finishes? Bid's for contracts? Does anyone have enough moxie to obtain the names from Boeing of ALL individuals and Companies they received 'bids" from.


UnsureI go where NO one goes, but I need a little help. Perhaps this is the "clue" the FBI missed in looking for a SUSPECT! I have told this story over and over, but no one listens! I am just that old woman who is crazy, delusion and off her rocker, but sometimes even the FBI needs to listen to what I am trying to say, instead of looking through me or dismissing the things I have told them.

Have had a hard day and I am very tired.


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Robert99

Oct 16, 2012, 8:40 PM
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JO STATED:
In reply to:
The brother told me about the Schematics to the 727 and other Boeings being all over the house.....because of what John did.

Robert 99 stated:
In reply to:
Jo, This is nonsense. If John had those documents, which is very unlikely, then he stole them.

Call it what you want, but those are his words. John was an engineer - I do not know his employment record (that is for the FBI to know).

From the beginning of innovation,
not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today. An investigation of his (John's) background will be the only thing that can be used for you to make such a flagrant statement. You are attacking the credibility of a well known man who was loyal to his country - without actual knowledge of his involvement and the involvement of his associates.

I have explained the family connections to the company that provided the "paint" and engineered the "paint" used on the Boeings. Before you attack - investigate. Before you slander - know who and what you are talking about.

What DO YOU know about the development of Chemical Warfare for the Government during WWI. I expect U know nothing and I suggest you START there - then and only then will you find your answers.

These two things are connected and I will let you figure that one out on your own. I suggest you start with the development of Chemical Warfare in WW1.

Jo, Let's speak frankly.

First, you don't know what you are talking about. Period!

You are blowing smoke about third hand versions of conversations that you have heard rumors of and those conversations may have never happened in the first place.

Second, you don't know anything about the aircraft industry, how it operates, how it has ever operated, how aircraft are designed, what engineers do in the design of aircraft, how aircraft are operated, etc., etc..

Third, to repeat, no one is going to have a copy of the schematics of an aircraft that is being developed under a major program in his home unless he stole them! Family "connections" wouldn't mean anything in this matter. Stealing proprietary information is still stealing!

Perhaps a story from Boeing's 707 design days will illustrate the above. When Boeing decided to design what became known as the 707, they set up restricted areas for the design team and the shop that hand built the original "Dash 80". Only approved people with special badges were allowed in these areas. They even used a mis-leading design number to help keep the project secret. One day the president of Boeing tried to enter one of these restricted areas without his special badge and he was refused entrance by the guards.

Fourth, your bringing up chemical warfare during WW1 doesn't have anything, repeat anything, to do with the production of aircraft post-WW2. This is just another of your attempts to distract everyone when you make meaningless and over-the-top statements.

Fifth, in your crusade to prove that you are really "Mrs. D. B. Cooper", you have not come up with a single piece of information that can survive the light of day. You have been trying to send everyone on more wild goose chases than there are probably wild geese in existence.

Sixth, in the search for the real D. B. Cooper, your actions are a hinderance rather than a help. It is very easy to see why you have so many problems with the FBI and others.

Robert99


Farflung

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RobertMBlevins says without consideration of attribution or senior citizens:

I was quoting Kittinger from the post-jump press conference.”

Oh really, cuz I don’t see any attribution or credit given to those brilliant and humble words, from Mr. Kittinger. I suppose Kittinger should have his words plagiarized and tossed around with reckless abandon, since he doesn’t matter as an 84 year old man. Apparently Kittinger is now to be submitted to the abuse which RobertMBlevins so generously served to Bernie (86 year old man). Wasn’t the fact that he spent almost a year in the ‘Hanoi Hilton’ enough punishment for any man to endure for a lifetime? Why must you steal his thoughts RobertMBlevins? Will the disrespect and abuse of senior citizens ever be abated? It would be polite and show manners to respect these twilight year men by not calling them liars, or viciously stealing their very words. Why does the world have to be so un-polite and manner-less?

When I read that un-attributed comment, stolen from Kittinger; I’d never wished more that there was a god in heaven, but I was never more certain that there wasn’t.


mrshutter45

Oct 16, 2012, 9:00 PM
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Personally I don't even think working for Boeing is key, I would
tend to belive someone who was around the plane enough to put
two and two together, Vietnam vets, airport ground crew, they were
the ones who opened and closed it from the outside?

Vietnam vets had lots of grudges, while over there they hear the
hate from Americans calling them baby killers and spitting on
them once they got home.

much like the rest of the case, tons of variables Cool


skyjack71

Oct 16, 2012, 9:16 PM
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First, you don't know what you are talking about. Period!

You are blowing smoke about third hand versions of conversations that you have heard rumors of and those conversations may have never happened in the first place.

TongueThese are NOT 3rd person conversations or rumors and i am not blowing smoke.



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Third, to repeat, no one is going to have a copy of the schematics of an aircraft that is being developed under a major program in his home unless he stole them! Family "connections" wouldn't mean anything in this matter. Stealing proprietary information is still stealing!

NO one stole anything - there were subcontractors and you have to submit plans to get estimate or to create seating, paint and other things. Just how detailed these plans would be for such I do NOT know. BUT Boeing did NOT make it's own paint. Boeing did not weave fire deterent material for the upholstery nor did they manufacture the windows and other things.


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Fourth, your bringing up chemical warfare during WW1 doesn't have anything, repeat anything, to do with the production of aircraft post-WW2. This is just another of your attempts to distract everyone when you make meaningless and over-the-top statements.

ShockedNow what NERVE did I just hit with you? It is obvious that you KNOW what I am talking about regarding subcontractors and developers.



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Fifth, in your crusade to prove that you are really "Mrs. D. B. Cooper", you have not come up with a single piece of information that can survive the light of day. You have been trying to send everyone on more wild goose chases than there are probably wild geese in existence.

CoolReally - you think I am smart enough to pull something like that off for 17 YRS! A little slow in seeing some things, I will admit to...but, that is ALL!


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Sixth, in the search for the real D. B. Cooper, your actions are a hinderance rather than a help. It is very easy to see why you have so many problems with the FBI and others.

AND you can do better? What have you ever come up with.

If I had the intellect and knowledge and know-how of this thread - I wouldn't be here asking stupid old woman questions!

IF I had NOT hit a nerve regarding the 727 development and/or some other things - I have stated - YOU would not have made the explosive remarks you just made.

After ALL what can a stupid old woman know that could help solve this case. Was her husband really Cooper or did he just know who WAS. The grudge thing was only a reply to Tina's question - just an ordinary answer to a question from a 21 yr old. Cooper made the reply most people would have made under the circumstances.

Perhaps my next statement could be my last statement, but your off-the-wall response to my REAL and SIMPLE questions and postings was Off the WALL.



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Could the 1971 SKYJACKING of a Boeing 727 have been - a publicity stunt? Now that one you can get REAL upset about, because that is the first and only FAR-FETCHED suggestion I have ever made in this thread as of recent.


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BobKnoss

Oct 16, 2012, 9:21 PM
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From Boeings historical milestones....

"Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later."

'What if' discussions between pilots started a few weeks later. Pilot safety became an issue. Look it up.

Project Norjack was approved that winter/spring. Not quite a publicity stunt, but it comes mighty damned close by my estimations.

But I don't know a damned thing.


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Robert99

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From Boeings historical milestones....

"Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later."

'What if' discussions between pilots started a few weeks later. Pilot safety became an issue. Look it up.

Project Norjack was approved that winter/spring. Not quite a publicity stunt, but it comes mighty damned close by my estimations.

But I don't know a damned thing.

Knoss, I'll take your word for the last sentence but your earlier comments need corrections.

The first flight of the Boeing 727 was on February 9, 1963 and it's first revenue flight was with Eastern Air Lines on February 1, 1964.

Robert99


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