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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 11:02 PM
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did they know he was selling Insurance? not every police department or DA's office is going to tattle tale everything against any given subject.

Laws are always a challenge and change from State to State, you could be arrested in Ohio for simple assault and get a fine, you could then
do the same here in Florida and get 90 days in the hole!!

I know people down here who have been arrested in one county and wanted just 50 miles away in another County and they refused extradition.

I was in New Orleans on Burbon street about a year after they changed the drinking laws to 21, the sign read 19 at the entrance to bar, two cops were
standing inside and I asked them about the sign, his reply was "we don't take the liking of that law down here", Miami Hurricanes were playing Alabama in
the Sugar bowl. (very true story)

you need to understand that some things that happened to Duane were not as strange as you think they are!

I just read your post above, as I stated and 99 stated as well, the FBI has multiple sets of Duane's prints, it doesn't matter if they missed 50 of his past arrest records, they had enough prints to verify who he really was...Duane L Weber B- 6/18/24..... D-3/28/95


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georger

Oct 13, 2012, 11:58 PM
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you need to understand that some things that happened to Duane were not as strange as you think they are!
and there "it" is, in a nutshell.

Ordinary vs. Extra-ordinary. The Cooper case (or
people involved in it) wobble back and forth between
these extremes regularly. Ive never seen anything
like, except in cults - and that alone may define the
situation.

I sometimes think the only thing that separates
finding Cooper from all the other candidates is
something quite ordinary (a couple of items of
ordinary evidence). Problem is those missing links
seem to encompass a whole universe! But the math
has always said otherwise.


We argued this central point endlessly while Carr was
here, everything revolved around it, andit still is the
hub of all discussions.

Amazing!

We know all candidates to date are extra-ordianry.
Crazy That alone segregates them to the bottom
of the list?

Laugh


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Robert99

Oct 14, 2012, 8:22 AM
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Felix Baumgartner's balloon has been inflated and he is very close to launch. Go to the Red Bull Stratos site for the video.

Robert99


Robert99

Oct 14, 2012, 8:39 AM
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Felix Baumgartner's balloon has been inflated and he is very close to launch. Go to the Red Bull Stratos site for the video.

Robert99

Baumgartner launched at 8:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time.

Robert99


BobKnoss

Oct 14, 2012, 9:33 AM
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YOU want to give CUDOS to an agent who made an ASS out of himself by stating on the FBI Official Page the DAN COOPER Comics where involved and also taking credit for this discovery without ever mentioning he obtained this false information from a bunch of people posting on a thread! It was removed only AFTER I made a complaint to the FBI on it Web site...I TOLD them exactly where this Cooper Comic thing came from - a poster by the name of SNOWMMAN!

THis is the kind of CRAP Carr put out about the case - he was only trying to make himself sound important. The way he handled himself on every clip I saw - was to impress the public -it was ALL about HIM and not about investigating Cooper.

The above are your perceptions; not reality. Agent
Carr and the FBI had every right to publish info
about the Cooper Comic, since it theoretically linked
with the known signatory on the flight ticket: Dan
Cooper, and more.

Everyone including Carr acknowledged Snowmman
who discovered the Cooper Comic.

I thought Larry was very fair with you, both
professionally and personally. I thought your actions
were completely selfish and uncalled for, and
counterproductive to you personally.

This is all old ground and hindsight now, in any
event.
Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. showed me a Dan Cooper comic book and explained the origin of the hijacker name he gave to Duane Weber at the beginning of Project Norjak when Mac searched out Duane at Jefferson and got him released. I have the whole sequence of events exactly as McCoy stated it. It appears to be consistent with what has been stated here. Just that nobody can prove anything. Nor do they WANT to. And THIS IS the truth. PPPPLLLLLFFFFTTTT! Bite me.


ParrotheadVol

Oct 14, 2012, 9:36 AM
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Felix Baumgartner's balloon has been inflated and he is very close to launch. Go to the Red Bull Stratos site for the video.

Robert99

Baumgartner launched at 8:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time.

Robert99


This is actually being broadcast live on Discovery Channel.


mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 9:40 AM
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you better watch what you say Knoss, people are watching you from the outside!!!! stay away like you have been doing !!!

The PM's are out of hand.

The e-mail came to me, period. No you can not see it, no you can not e-mail the person. If true, I will gladly hep them.
If true, a couple of you will be served.
If true, a third party who has been watching you all in this thread will "win".

It is just a mater of truth. If you told a fable, stretched the truth, or insulted or implicated some one in in e FELONY, you made the mistake and will live with it.

If the e-mail is true.

I for one hope it is.

Matt


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BobKnoss

Oct 14, 2012, 10:06 AM
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you better watch what you say Knoss, people are watching you from the outside!!!! stay away like you have been doing !!!

The PM's are out of hand.

The e-mail came to me, period. No you can not see it, no you can not e-mail the person. If true, I will gladly hep them.
If true, a couple of you will be served.
If true, a third party who has been watching you all in this thread will "win".

It is just a mater of truth. If you told a fable, stretched the truth, or insulted or implicated some one in in e FELONY, you made the mistake and will live with it.

If the e-mail is true.

I for one hope it is.

Matt

I have never had intention to harm or implicate anyone, as stated frequently. I am on the side of truth, and not willing to intentionally mis-state facts. As Carr stated, if true there is no case. I know this to be the situation without question. These are a bunch of good guys, not criminals, a catch 22.

Is telling the real truth wrong? I was taught to always tell the truth, it is the best thing to do. Now the truth as a good thing is not a good thing??? HUH?? Explain??


(This post was edited by BobKnoss on Oct 14, 2012, 10:26 AM)


RobertMBlevins

Oct 14, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Came home this morning due to excessive rain up in the Olympics. Besides...both the Seahawks and Felix the Cat (I mean Baumgartner) are doing their thing today. And I'd like to see both of them today.

As far as KC and some of the questions I have seen since I left, I say we just leave that alone. Almost no one here believes any of the evidence or thinks he was the guy. I can accept that. You've all heard what we have on it, so I don't think there's any use in going over it repeatedly. My bottom line on it is that I think the Seattle FBI should do a minor investigation with the witnesses, namely Helen Jones, her daughter, Margaret Miller (formerly Geestman) and Bernie Geestman. By doing this, they could discover reletively quickly whether or not there is anything to the theory that KC might have been the hijacker. To tell you the truth, I don't even care that much anymore.

I'm off to Roswell now. Not literally, of course. Guess he's above 70k feet now. My Nissan ran great on the Forest Service roads, not that anyone cares. Smile

Go Felix. Go Seahawks.


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mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 10:24 AM
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Bob, you have nothing to do with truth, if you were trying to be honest you would have put this story out into the public, instead of farting around on a parachute jump site.

you have sworn a million times to your truth, once the lawyers get a hold of you, the real truth of Bob Knoss will surface!!

you have constantly implicated public figures involving them in a FELONY by stating they are covering up and with holding evidence. you have repeatedly named Rataczak as TOG and being part of how the money was to be split.

you keep forgetting you are leaving a trail on this thread and implicating people such as O'hara, Himmelsbach and continue to claim Richard Floyd McCoy is still live.

what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today! your time is coming to an end very soon! one way or another.

your failure to comply to direct questions tells the story!

what will you do once the Lawyers confront you Bob? go silent again?????????


mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 10:29 AM
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you better watch what you say Knoss, people are watching you from the outside!!!! stay away like you have been doing !!!

The PM's are out of hand.

The e-mail came to me, period. No you can not see it, no you can not e-mail the person. If true, I will gladly hep them.
If true, a couple of you will be served.
If true, a third party who has been watching you all in this thread will "win".

It is just a mater of truth. If you told a fable, stretched the truth, or insulted or implicated some one in in e FELONY, you made the mistake and will live with it.

If the e-mail is true.

I for one hope it is.

Matt

I have never had intention to harm or implicate anyone, as stated frequently. I am on the side of truth, and not willing to intentionally mis-state facts. As Carr stated, if true there is no case. I know this to be the situation without question. These are a bunch of good guys, not criminals, a catch 22.

Is telling the real truth wrong? I was taught to always tell the truth, it is the best thing to do. Now the truth as a good thing is not a good thing??? HUH?? Explain??


more garble from Bob, you need to go public Bob if you think your story is true! I call it 100% garbage! I gave you an option to go public and you refused! then Lawyers come into play and you disappear?

you are full of crap Bob, period, dot, end! if you are not full of crap! you need to back your statements! which you have always had trouble doing!

none of the names you implicate has had any chance what so ever to speak on there behalf! that is one side Bob!


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BobKnoss

Oct 14, 2012, 10:37 AM
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what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today!

You have assumed much I do not agree with. Not the case at all. Facts don't change, people do. I will only speak to law enforcement as a whistleblower.


(This post was edited by BobKnoss on Oct 14, 2012, 10:45 AM)


mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 10:47 AM
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what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today!

You have assumed much I do not agree with. Not the case at all. Facts don't change, people do. I will only speak to law enforcement.

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action?

you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past!

where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth?
how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth?

I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you will refuse to answer?

I needed to mow the yard but it's been raining all day, I got time dude!


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Oct 14, 2012, 10:52 AM)


BobKnoss

Oct 14, 2012, 11:03 AM
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what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today!

You have assumed much I do not agree with. Not the case at all. Facts don't change, people do. I will only speak to law enforcement.

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action?

you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past!

where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth?
how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth?

I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you refuse to answer?

The things you mention have all been gone over with a fine tooth comb by professionals much more versed in cover-up than I could ever be be in uncovering. I'm not an Agent, I'm a witness, selected by McCoy and fed information by McCoy for his protection, should I be needed. They opted not to use me. McCoy told me a lot more about his activities than just Project Norjack. They can not be told. At what point is it OK to tell or not tell? Mac said to go ahead a tell it. "IF you are smart you will figure it out." I really wish he hadn't told me, now. I just don't like hearing the lies I hear about what never did happen. Better not to say anything than to make up lies. Some of this stuff I actually saw and heard myself, other stuff was just told to me by McCoy. All in all, my story exhonorates any criminal activity by any of the people you mention. My take on your comments is that you are just trying to keep the truth quiet. Right?


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mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 11:15 AM
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answer the following, I give two hoots about a fine tooth comb!

O'Hara's position in this cover up?
Rataczack's position in this cover up? (aka TOG)
Ralph Himmelsbach's position in this cover up?

explain how David Haapala had or has a communication company?
explain how Bernie Haapala's name was even brought up?

explain the flight path being 15 miles off?
explain why you shifted everything on your map?

this is just a taste of your BS, answer the questions! without side tracking BS you always try! ANSWER, ANSWER, ANSWER Mr truth!!!

I have a 100% guarantee you will fail this by side tracking or claiming you only heard this, remember you were the "Book keeper" ANSWER!!!!!

unlike the names mentioned above, you have the option to speak!!!

for the record, you have never answered the questions about your map or the oil pipeline, another lie!


and there you have it, Bob is off line now.....what shock!


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 14, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Baumgartner does it! There was some question about visor fogging, but that disappeared as he got lower. Looked like he turned into the wind at the end and his landing was a three-step walk. Then he fell to his knees and hung his head for a moment as the tracking guys ran over to him. I got a quick picture of him just after he landed and did an even quicker article.

That guy has nerves of friggin' steel, no doubt of it. His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.

Edit: spin reference removed. Added one picture and some additional material to the article.


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 14, 2012, 11:48 AM
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what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today!

You have assumed much I do not agree with. Not the case at all. Facts don't change, people do. I will only speak to law enforcement.

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action?

you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past!

where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth?
how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth?

I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you will refuse to answer?

I needed to mow the yard but it's been raining all day, I got time dude!

He is being looked at, by those he says he will only talk to, but they aren't looking at a whistle blower. A criminal of a different sort.

Glad he is back, it helps a lot! Makes this easy!

Matt


Robert99

Oct 14, 2012, 11:58 AM
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Baumgartner does it! He never took a single tumble or spin on the way down. There was some question about visor fogging, but that disappeared as he got lower. Looked like he turned into the wind at the end and his landing was a three-step walk. Then he fell to his knees and hung his head for a moment as the tracking guys ran over to him. I got a quick picture of him just after he landed and did an even quicker article.

That guy has nerves of friggin' steel, no doubt of it. His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.

Baumgartner DID spin on the way down (about a minute into the freefall). But he was able to stop it.

The spinning had been expected and there were cheers in the mission control room when he managed to get it stopped and stabilized in a head down position.

That the spinning started at that particular time means, at least to me, that he was closing in on Mach 1 and was in the transonic aerodynamics flow regime.

Did Baumgartner actually exceed Mach 1? I kind of doubt it, but he probably got very, very close to it. But actually getting past Mach 1 is a really big problem for something as un-aerodynamic as the human body.

Robert99


Amazon  (D License)

Oct 14, 2012, 12:18 PM
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Baumgartner does it! He never took a single tumble or spin on the way down. There was some question about visor fogging, but that disappeared as he got lower. Looked like he turned into the wind at the end and his landing was a three-step walk. Then he fell to his knees and hung his head for a moment as the tracking guys ran over to him. I got a quick picture of him just after he landed and did an even quicker article.

That guy has nerves of friggin' steel, no doubt of it. His 128,000 foot jump record will probably last for....EVER.

Actually I was watching the live broadcast on Discovery and I saw a HELL of a lot of spinning.. I was getting worried because he was not saying anything and breathing very hard on the sound feed during that...

Still a GREAT jump.. Go Felix... can't wait for the full video from the cameras he was wearing.Smile


mrshutter45

Oct 14, 2012, 12:34 PM
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what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today!

You have assumed much I do not agree with. Not the case at all. Facts don't change, people do. I will only speak to law enforcement.

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action?

you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past!

where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth?
how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth?

I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you will refuse to answer?

I needed to mow the yard but it's been raining all day, I got time dude!

He is being looked at, by those he says he will only talk to, but they aren't looking at a whistle blower. A criminal of a different sort.

Glad he is back, it helps a lot! Makes this easy!

Matt

Mr Truth seems to always lay low when things like this come up Cool


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Oct 14, 2012, 1:09 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Oct 14, 2012, 2:05 PM
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Saw a prelim data report: says Felix reached Mach 1.24, or approximately 944 miles an hour. Can this really be possible? Shocked


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 14, 2012, 2:10 PM
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Sure. They just need to confirm it, the numbers running around are all over the place, 733, 829, 931, hut hut hike!

Kudos to Felix, Joe, and the whole Red Bull crew!

Now back to Cooper! (the Bonfire has a few threads about Felix)

Matt


Robert99

Oct 14, 2012, 2:21 PM
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Sure. They just need to confirm it, the numbers running around are all over the place, 733, 829, 931, hut hut hike!

Kudos to Felix, Joe, and the whole Red Bull crew!

Now back to Cooper! (the Bonfire has a few threads about Felix)

Matt

Brian Utley is quoted on CNN as saying that the maximum Mach Number was 1.24. Don't hold your breath until that number is confirmed!

I look forward to seeing such things as the altitude, temperature, etc., at which the Mach Number was supposedly exceeded.

Robert99


Farflung

Oct 14, 2012, 2:35 PM
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RobertMBlevins asks:

” Saw a prelim data report: says Felix reached Mach 1.24, or approximately 944 miles an hour. Can this really be possible?”



NO!

For a person to achieve a speed of 1.24 mach where it equated to 944 mph, they would have to be at ‘sea level’. An unlikely altitude for any skydiver. Here’s a cheat sheet:

http://www.fighter-planes.com/jetmach1.htm

If the prelim report carries those calculations, then it was crafted by a car salesman or someone who watched too much TV. It was a rare and refreshing moment to hear Felix explain that he didn’t feel nutin when he broke the sound barrier. Most are conditioned to hear how he penetrated some gaseous and foggy shockwave, just before creating something that blowed up real good. But they usually lose interest in favor of another Bud Light then ponder what happened to the UFOs in Roswell.


georger

Oct 14, 2012, 3:01 PM
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RobertMBlevins asks:

” Saw a prelim data report: says Felix reached Mach 1.24, or approximately 944 miles an hour. Can this really be possible?”



NO!

For a person to achieve a speed of 1.24 mach where it equated to 944 mph, they would have to be at ‘sea level’. An unlikely altitude for any skydiver. Here’s a cheat sheet:

http://www.fighter-planes.com/jetmach1.htm

If the prelim report carries those calculations, then it was crafted by a car salesman or someone who watched too much TV. It was a rare and refreshing moment to hear Felix explain that he didn’t feel nutin when he broke the sound barrier. Most are conditioned to hear how he penetrated some gaseous and foggy shockwave, just before creating something that blowed up real good. But they usually lose interest in favor of another Bud Light then ponder what happened to the UFOs in Roswell.

Here's another "articule" for Newsvine - 4 clydesdale
abreast at mach 4 descending from spacey wavey
Red Minitruck Baloon. Natsure can do anything, on
Newsvine!
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