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Farflung

Oct 7, 2012, 7:21 PM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Cactus pricks [In reply to] Can't Post

RobertMBlevins opines without downstream considerations:

You might not agree with her, but why pick on a lady who is old enough to be almost anyone's mother on this thread?

Some of you think you know everything. Others, even though they are smarter than Benji the Dog, have no manners. That's one thing my mother taught me: Manners
.”

Gee-whillakers RobertMBlevins, you sure are right about some things, that’s for sure. Elderly are to be respected and NEVER picked upon as they may be old enough to be a mother or even a grandmother or grandfather. We must remember this at all times when ever a person who is senior in years is being addressed. They are by nature, frail and frightened individuals, who only want to make others happy. It’s courageous, no I’m going to type it, HEROIC of you to take a stand and be a man for something, without regard for personal safety, reputation, monetary impact or any ridicule you may experience as a result, of what you so wisely typed less than one day past. I simply wish there was a better word to describe what you put in front of me to consider regarding social graces and conduct.

Yes RobertMBlevins your mother is also deserving of the same recognition of how well she taught you, for it makes me reflect on my own faulty moral and ethical foundation, which I feel can be better conveyed in another art form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVaqZajq-I

Having…. Trouble…. Typing through a steady stream of tears…. The sun hurts my eyes…..

Won’t everyone join RobertMBlevins in celebrating and admiring those of advanced years and try, just try, not everyone is super human; to follow his long lived example? And if I may be so bold, would you mind saying a silent prayer for world peace also, thanks in advance.
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MarkBennett

Oct 7, 2012, 8:22 PM
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Just ask yourself WHY Geestman would volunteer such a thing.

You, yourself, say Geestman is a liar He might volunteer KC as the shooter of Abraham Lincoln. Why would you believe anything he says?


Robert99

Oct 7, 2012, 8:46 PM
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Robert99 asks:

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'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar.

So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three?

Robert99

Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story.

Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker.

The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM.

Blevins, Just exactly what in everything you have written above actually connects ANYONE to D. B. Cooper?

Robert99

I appreciate your question, but it's Sunday and I'm just not willing to go over the whole case against Christiansen again. Just ask yourself WHY Geestman would volunteer such a thing. You haven't believed any of the evidence or testimony from the start. Nothing I can say will change that, so let's just agree to disagree. I already know there are people who will never believe the testimony and the evidence. That's understandable. However, there are just as many who do. Until the Seattle FBI puts an end to it one way or another, the question on Christiansen is unsettled. No matter what you may have heard, they have never investigated him.

*Sees pretty blonde singing something about football and NBC*

Blevins, Let's assume for a minute that KC is still alive, that you accuse KC of being Cooper, that you cite Gesstman's behavior and remarks as being the basis of your claim, and that KC decides to sue you for slander.

Assuming that a court would accept the case, would Gesstman even be allowed to testify in the case in your behalf since he has made conflicting statements and even you have publicly called him a liar in an effort to support your own claims about KC?

And if KC's lawyer got you on the witness stand, he would eat you alive.

Robert99


georger

Oct 7, 2012, 8:51 PM
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Georger says in part:

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'How many of you are there. posting here under
ROBERTMBLEVINS ?

'


This comes to me from the guy with how many thousands of posts on this thread? Instead of going on and on and bad-mouthing nice people like Geoff Nelder and Gayla Prociv, you could have just asked me what you wanted to know.

LOL my style alone should tell you I'm the only one who posts here under my own name. How do I it? Well.... I only work maybe five hours a day helping run the housecleaning business, three to four days a week. The rest of the time I'm either out and about or up here in the office. Today I'm watching the Giants and the Browns. (Damn...Giants just picked off the Browns, too)

Let's parse just two of your "wall of ignorance and
shame" remarks above:

First, "How do I it? I'm either out and about ..." you
say. That's distinctly British grammer, is it not? I
didnt know you were British in the early morning
hours. I knew Adventire Book's Geoff Nelder and
Gayla Prociv were. Are you a trans ... or cross ....
overer, who has taken on a British accent and
grammer? Ive noticed this same affect in some of
your posts before, but just thought you must be
posting/visiting Liverpool ?

Now, you continually bring up/criticise and mock my
5428 posts here at Dropzone, claiming something is
wrong and a sign of my corruption and embecility vs.
your highly refined hi-quality 2236 posts. Its like
something one might here on Hannity, ie "Through
the lens of a Reactionary"!

Arent you just harrassing me and saying this for
affect, without anmy basis in fact for your claims?
Isnt that what trolls do?

Applying a little arith-ma-tik, it turns out YOU have
almost 3 posts per day in the mere two years you
have been here, while I have only 2.2 posts/day in
5 years I have been here!

3.1 versus 2.2 posts per day (Blevins vs. Georger).
Blevins has half the total posts I have and has only
been here a scant two years!

Moreover, Blevins makes no accounting for quality
of posts or words per post,or posts per day in a
period! Or repitiions of posts in one day... and fails
to provide any metrics from which to judge his
absurd statement(s). Blevins always leave out the
math vs just throwing claims around... !

So once again, RobertMBlevins turns out to be a -
transtruth teller.

Just do the math!

At the rate you are posting, Sir Blevins, you will have
upwards of 7500 to 8000 posts or more vs. my 5428
posts, in the same amountof time since I have been
here.

Blevins you belong on FOX with Hannity.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 7, 2012, 9:32 PM
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Georger says (somewhat edited for length):

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'First, "How do I it? I'm either out and about ..." you
say. That's distinctly British grammer, is it not? I
didnt know you were British in the early morning
hours. I knew Adventire Book's Geoff Nelder and
Gayla Prociv were. Are you a trans ... or cross ....
overer, who has taken on a British accent and
grammer? Ive noticed this same affect in some of
your posts before, but just thought you must be
posting/visiting Liverpool ?'

Gayla isn't a Brit. Neither am I. Although I have wished I WAS from Liverpool so I could have seen the Beatles at the Cavern Club. And your question (does anyone else use my DZ account to post) has been asked and answered. How about this: NO. Ever met a Brit with a name like Prociv? She's from California, LOL. Miss Vista 1978, since you're asking. (And yeah...it's cool to be hooked up with a former beauty queen even if she got that crown many years ago...)

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Now, you continually bring up/criticise and mock my 5428 posts here at Dropzone, claiming something is wrong and a sign of my corruption and embecility vs. your highly refined hi-quality 2236 posts. Its like something one might here on Hannity, ie "Through the lens of a Reactionary"!

Your possible corruption and imbecility are strictly your business.

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Arent you just harrassing me and saying this for affect, without anmy basis in fact for your claims?
Isnt that what trolls do?

No one's harrassing you. If you've been called out occasionally, you probably deserved it.

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Applying a little arith-ma-tik, it turns out YOU have almost 3 posts per day in the mere two years you have been here, while I have only 2.2 posts/day in 5 years I have been here!

3.1 versus 2.2 posts per day (Blevins vs. Georger).
Blevins has half the total posts I have and has only
been here a scant two years!

Really? I wasn't keeping track. How long did you spend figuring that out? Did you use paper and pencil, or just your computer calculator. (*laughs*)

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Moreover, Blevins makes no accounting for quality of posts or words per post,or posts per day in a period! Or repitiions of posts in one day... and fails to provide any metrics from which to judge his
absurd statement(s). Blevins always leave out the
math vs just throwing claims around... !

I see you are no longer addressing me, but someone else with that. Couldn't really figure it out, so you should ask 'them'. I actually thought some of the posts I make are good. Especially anything with Creedence attached to it. Have you been drinking today by any chance? You don't have to answer that.

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So once again, RobertMBlevins turns out to be a - transtruth teller.

Just do the math!

Blevins you belong on FOX with Hannity.

Hannity? Now that REALLY hurts. I've been a registered Dem my entire voting life. You should do stand-up. You are certainly funny sometimes.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 7, 2012, 9:33 PM)


georger

Oct 7, 2012, 9:36 PM
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Georger says (somewhat edited for length):

Quote:
'First, "How do I it? I'm either out and about ..." you
say. That's distinctly British grammer, is it not? I
didnt know you were British in the early morning
hours. I knew Adventire Book's Geoff Nelder and
Gayla Prociv were. Are you a trans ... or cross ....
overer, who has taken on a British accent and
grammer? Ive noticed this same affect in some of
your posts before, but just thought you must be
posting/visiting Liverpool ?'

Gayla isn't a Brit. Neither am I. Although I have wished I WAS from Liverpool so I could have seen the Beatles at the Cavern Club. And your question (does anyone else use my DZ account to post) has been asked and answered. How about this: NO. Ever met a Brit with a name like Prociv? She's from California, LOL. Miss Vista 1978, since you're asking. (And yeah...it's cool to be hooked up with a former beauty queen even if she got that crown many years ago...)

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Now, you continually bring up/criticise and mock my 5428 posts here at Dropzone, claiming something is wrong and a sign of my corruption and embecility vs. your highly refined hi-quality 2236 posts. Its like something one might here on Hannity, ie "Through the lens of a Reactionary"!

Your possible corruption and imbecility are strictly your business.

Quote:
Arent you just harrassing me and saying this for affect, without anmy basis in fact for your claims?
Isnt that what trolls do?

No one's harrassing you. If you've been called out occasionally, you probably deserved it.

Quote:
Applying a little arith-ma-tik, it turns out YOU have almost 3 posts per day in the mere two years you have been here, while I have only 2.2 posts/day in 5 years I have been here!

3.1 versus 2.2 posts per day (Blevins vs. Georger).
Blevins has half the total posts I have and has only
been here a scant two years!

Really? I wasn't keeping track. How long did you spend figuring that out? Did you use paper and pencil, or just your computer calculator. (*laughs*)

Quote:
Moreover, Blevins makes no accounting for quality of posts or words per post,or posts per day in a period! Or repitiions of posts in one day... and fails to provide any metrics from which to judge his
absurd statement(s). Blevins always leave out the
math vs just throwing claims around... !

I see you are no longer addressing me, but someone else with that. Couldn't really figure it out, so you should ask 'them'. I actually thought some of the posts I make are good. Especially anything with Creedence attached to it. Have you been drinking today by any chance? You don't have to answer that.

Quote:
So once again, RobertMBlevins turns out to be a - transtruth teller.

Just do the math!

Blevins you belong on FOX with Hannity.

Hannity? Now that REALLY hurts. I've been a registered Dem my entire voting life. You should do stand-up. You are certainly funny sometimes.

At the rate you are posting, Sir Blevins, you will have
upwards of 7500 to 8000 posts or more vs. my 5428
posts, in the same amount of time since I have been here.

You must be the answer to Dropzone's dream to
close down this thread, by posting it into total
useless oblivion filled with your personal hate. Congrats!

Ending with your own 'comeback' post, of course.


(This post was edited by georger on Oct 7, 2012, 9:42 PM)


Farflung

Oct 7, 2012, 10:20 PM
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Does he get any dignity or peace in his twilight years? He so richly deserves this small courtesy since he is in his mid eighties. Does anyone care besides me?

I’m probably going to have a sleepless night after reviewing all this raw, naked and unprovoked savagery unloosed on a frail, kind and to be respected man. Well, at least we know what an invertebrate would probably type, if they had thumbs, and a neuromuscular system capable of such a task. But they don’t, so we’ll just have to settle for this painful parade, of hostile epithets, mercilessly lobbed at a person who may struggle with digesting tapioca, let alone his own ass handed to him on an electronic plate.

Bernie wasn’t abused by anyone’s hand, he was defiled by their being, which is inescapable. For the hours and hours that Bernie was kept in a sleazy, pay by the hour motel, which reeked of cheap booze and anonymous coitus, was he allowed to relieve himself? I notice that he is still wearing a jacket when he finally cracks, on that TV show masquerading as some sort of history program. I’m sure that if they kept him in there any longer than three hours, it may well have turned into some sort of ‘snuff’ flick. It was real nice of the crew to take Bernie to the restaurant in the parking lot after his inquisition. Did they even offer some time to nap in the motel before he began a several hours drive home? Cretins.
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skyjack71

Oct 7, 2012, 11:19 PM
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If Lyle had said in a 2007 radio interview his brother WAS the hijacker, would you believe him? Would that convince you Kenny Christiansen was the hijacker? Of course not. The door swings both ways. Lyle didn't know whether or not his brother was the hijacker. So his opinion on it is worthless.

Lyle was watching a program on TV called Unsolved Mysteries regarding Cooper when he decided that his brother might be Cooper. He formed this opinion on that night watching that program. He did NOT attempt to contact the FBI, but instead wrote a letter to a movie producer. Supposedly she didn't get the letter and it ended up on Porteous's desk.

Robt, you cannot make that go away. Porteous had already shared his information with Gray who wrote an article before any investigation could be done. I do not remember the sequence - perhaps Porteous contacted the FBI - since I knew and had spoke with the individuals involved I felt NO threat and continued as usual - regarding Weber.

What I do find WRONG about the complete scenario is that Lyle contacted a movie producer 1st and NOT the FBI! He was "watching a Unsolved Mysteries program about Cooper" (THESE ARE LYLE'S WORDS)"and decide his brother could be Cooper". He knew little about his own brother and the Cooper case.... he "just thought it would make a good story".

After Gray does the article the man just went along for the ride not realizing he could taint the story for any REAL Cooper suspects.

In so far as Geestman goes it is very much the same scenario that played out with Lyle. These old geezers were playing around with this - and it just got out of hand.

When journalist and writers start contacting them - they had to save face. I appreciate how Geestman stood down. He tried to let the others know the position they were putting themselves in - but, they were already dealing with "their" celebrity status.

This is where I differ from the other individuals who have come forward - 1st thing I did was CALL the FBI. I am sure the person I talked to remembers the conversation. Wanted to know if I was drinking or taking drugs - prescription or non prescription! Yes, I did have 2 glasses of wine, but only after I contacted the FBI with that first phone call. Then several pages over into the book - I am calling them again - it was ALL there. This was my awakening - Duane had told me - he was Dan Cooooper, 14 months before I ever picked up that damn book and by page 13 or 14 was on the phone to the FBI.

My first gut reaction was to call the FBI - not a publisher or movie producer!

If my information is accurate Marla was already working on a book BEFORE she contact a law enforcement agent!

If all of the above is correct - why was their re-action NOT the same as mine? I am sure the FBI made a tape of those conversations - anyone who would listen to them would know there was a very distraught woman on the other end and not some person looking for a book, movie or attention. What I had just realize about my deceased husband defied all that I stood for - You Do the Crime - You Do the Time!

Because what I told the FBI was NOT fabricated or being done for profit or because it might make a good story - it was a NATURAL response for me to pick-up the phone and call the FBI. I knew nothing about Cooper except what I was reading in that book.

I didn't even wait to get past the first few pages. The FBI put me down, but I continued to read - and then was BACK on the phone - pleading with them to listen to what I was saying! Everything I knew about Duane suddenly made sense!

Duane had been dead for 14 months, I had just started a new career and I was being sought out by eligible men in our area.
I was never a person to seek fame or position - I was just happy being loved and being a good wife....I had the house and his insurance - so I was not doing without anything. My life was looking good and I was still young.

Damn Duane - Damn HIM! I loved him and will always remember his touch and his smile and how he knew just how to handle my temper - but his confession stole the next 17 yrs of my life fighting to finish his story and for others to see that bad can be good.

Jo WEBER did NOT approach this thing the way other did - she let her heart lead her and she let her memories guide her. For that I have spent 17 ys in a prison called HELL!

He was my husband of 17 yrs - how can I walk away form it - he was telling me the truths and then with the other storys I would learn about WEBER, I felt humiliated and that my life had fallen and I had failed him and angry at him for NOT giving me a heads up before he died or was too sick to tell me. I just did NOT know how to appoarch my feelings- I didn't really want to know!

I KEPT THINKING IT WOULD JUST GO ALWAY AND I WOULD GET A PHONE CALL TELLING ME THERE WAS NO WAY - BUT THAT PHONE CALL NEVER ARRIVED.

Weber was placed right there and was as a prime suspect.
Dan Cooper was the only real SKY Jacker. He made that just because they needed money and all those yr there were outstand warrents for Webber in other placel

DAMN DUANE - why DID HE HAVE TO TELL ME he was Cooper.? Why didnt he just keep his damn Cooper and let if be.


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georger

Oct 7, 2012, 11:26 PM
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Does he get any dignity or peace in his twilight years? He so richly deserves this small courtesy since he is in his mid eighties. Does anyone care besides me?

I’m probably going to have a sleepless night after reviewing all this raw, naked and unprovoked savagery unloosed on a frail, kind and to be respected man. Well, at least we know what an invertebrate would probably type, if they had thumbs, and a neuromuscular system capable of such a task. But they don’t, so we’ll just have to settle for this painful parade, of hostile epithets, mercilessly lobbed at a person who may struggle with digesting tapioca, let alone his own ass handed to him on an electronic plate.

Bernie wasn’t abused by anyone’s hand, he was defiled by their being, which is inescapable. For the hours and hours that Bernie was kept in a sleazy, pay by the hour motel, which reeked of cheap booze and anonymous coitus, was he allowed to relieve himself? I notice that he is still wearing a jacket when he finally cracks, on that TV show masquerading as some sort of history program. I’m sure that if they kept him in there any longer than three hours, it may well have turned into some sort of ‘snuff’ flick. It was real nice of the crew to take Bernie to the restaurant in the parking lot after his inquisition. Did they even offer some time to nap in the motel before he began a several hours drive home? Cretins.

Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv shows/curiosity/topics/plane-crash-pictures.htm

It was a controled crash in order to measure
destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed
out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear
stairs,several minutes prior to impact. I noticed the
bailouts were all face forward, with one pair and the
pilot (an experienced skydiver) leaping half way
down the stairs ... the stairs were fully out and down
during all of the tests and final jumps ...worth a
watch. None of these people backed down the stairs
to exit.

These were all experienced skydivers.

Plenty of pics and stories on the net - just Google.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 7, 2012, 11:48 PM
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The 727 crash by Discovery Channel is bound to be a big hit in reruns. Until then, tonight's ABC coverage on YouTube might be the best thing available for now. They show the crash footage.

The crash itself reminds me of scenes from Flight of the Phoenix. Smile

Yeah, I'm a Democrat. My latest article at the Vine gives Americans a choice. Sensible recovery...or World War III.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 8, 2012, 1:05 AM)


sailshaw

Oct 8, 2012, 6:58 AM
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Georger:

Says:
Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

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The program on the Discovery Channel was very interesting for us on the DropZone as the crew and pilot jumped out the back of the 727 just like DB Cooper. It is a myth buster in that they all just dove aft through the opening and into a stable position (belly down and arms and legs extended) and did it from about 5 steps down the airstair (the lower moving part of the airstair was removed from the hinge point and down). They were facing aft and were stable right away, no tumble, dis-orientation, or excessive slip stream beating. They seemed to delay pulling their rip cords about 10 seconds. It made the jump that DB did look very easy except it was not at night or raining.

The crash of the 727 was interesting as it looked to me like the forward section of the body of the airplane broke loose at about the attach point for the 41 section (41 section is the first 410 inches of the of the body - 34+ feet - Yes Boeing planes are designed in inches point XXX - not in feet). That nose separation was caused by the nose gear down and getting stuck in the sand and causing the nose to dive down and snap loose. The nose could have survived better if the nose gear were up and would have been better for the pilot, co-pilot etc

The decelerations measured 12 g's in the first class section and only 6 g's in the aft tail seating. Again showing it is safer to be in the aft seating in a crash.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


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Farflung

Oct 8, 2012, 7:54 AM
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It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

What causes such full blown psychosis?
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377  (F 666)

Oct 8, 2012, 9:56 AM
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Quote:
Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv shows/curiosity/topics/plane-crash-pictures.htm

It was a controled crash in order to measure
destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed
out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear
stairs,several minutes prior to impact.

Do do the guys who bailed qualify for membership in the Caterpiller Club? I say not. The plane was not disabled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Club

377


Amazon  (D License)

Oct 8, 2012, 10:06 AM
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In reply to:
Quote:
Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv shows/curiosity/topics/plane-crash-pictures.htm

It was a controled crash in order to measure
destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed
out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear
stairs,several minutes prior to impact.

Do do the guys who bailed qualify for membership in the Caterpiller Club? I say not. The plane was not disabled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Club

377

Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Face it, every time you throw your body out the door of an airplane, will need to do SOMETHING to save your life... but your intent is different than that of the driver of the plane who wears a bailout rig “just in case” who thinks you are all nutz anyway.


377  (F 666)

Oct 8, 2012, 1:31 PM
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Amazon wrote:
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Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft.

I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart.

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Robert99

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Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft.

I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart.

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377

377, The fact that the seat belt was unfastened post-crash doesn't necessairly mean that it was unfastened pre-crash. I know of cases where the seat belts were known to have been fastened before but unfastened after the fatal crash.

Somehow and in some manner, the seat belts became unfastened during the impact/rebound and other wild gyrations the structure went through during the break up process. I think the FAA was aware of this in the late 1950s or early 1960s.

This may have been a problem with a specific type of belt. Such as the the one with the belt pulled through the buckle as opposed to the metal-to-metal belt buckles. I suspect that the Cessna had the first type of seat belt.

The possibility that the pilot was attempting a deliberate snap roll at 30 feet or so is beyond comprehension. Snap rolls are essentially a violent spin in a horizontal direction and your friend had enough experience to know that. And under the given conditions, he had enough experience to know the expected outcome. I would suspect that there were other causes involved in this.

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RobertMBlevins

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It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

What causes such full blown psychosis?

Bernie Geestman was busted cold in one big lie, and then called his sister Dawn after History Channel called him. He told Dawn she should take back everything she said in her interview for Blast. She refused to do so.

The lie he told was that he hardly knew Kenny Christiansen. History Channel sent him twenty pictures of he and Christiansen together. They called Dawn and found out about his phone call, and confronted him about it. He agreed to appear on the show, even volunteering to drive down on his own. (They were willing to provide a chauffered car to take him from his home in Port Angeles, WA to Puyallup and back.)

In fact, everyone was very polite to him during the entire process. They even offered him money. I don't know if he accepted it or not.

He became fixated a bit on production assistant Marisa Kagan, sending her flowers and a teddy bear, which she found kind of strange since she never met him personally.

Once he got to the motel for filming, he suddenly didn't like the questions. They asked him things like this:

Where were you the week of the hijacking? Response: No answer. He just sat there and looked at them.

Did you buy an Airstream trailer and station wagon and park them down in Oakville shortly before the hijacking? No answer.

It was like that for at least two hours. He would just Sit There Like a Stone. The whole crew thought he was an animal trapped with no place to go. He probably had not realized that people knew the questions to ask. His simple denials were not working with them. They asked about the loan to Dawn, no answer. The house, no answer.

Finally, he just calls me a liar, said I made the whole thing up basically. But then amazingly...he says Kenny could be the hijacker. When he didn't 'crack' and start telling the truth about things, Decoded had to take the fallback position recommended by their legal department weeks beforehand: They could not speculate that Bernie could have been involved. Without a confession, there just wasn't enough to say he was involved. So they didn't.

Later, Marisa Kagan and some members of the film crew told me they knew Bernie was probably hiding his involvement, and that it was too bad he wouldn't come clean about it. The main camera guy was also a sheriff's deputy in the Los Angeles area (part-time only now), and had worked for Ice Road Truckers. He was the one who takes the shots from UNDER the ice. He said his gut feeling was that Bernie was involved in the hijacking. It was the same thing with cast members Scott Rolle (a former state prosecutor) and Buddy Levy. Christine McKinley wasn't so sure.

It's the same old story. Bernie's lies have been proven. His involvement, and the guilt of KC have not. Maybe no one will ever discover the truth.


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EVickiW

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It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

What causes such full blown psychosis?

Bernie Geestman ............Yada yada........ truth.

Read it again. I think you missed them Main point of the post.

I will not attach a picture to explain, because I have boundaries (sometimes).


skyjack71

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Lyle was watching a program on TV called Unsolved Mysteries regarding Cooper when he decided his brother might be Cooper. He formed this opinion on that night watching that program. Lyle did NOT attempt to contact the FBI, but instead wrote a letter to a movie producer. Supposedly she didn't get the letter and it ended up on Porteous's desk.

Robt, you cannot make that go away. Porteous had already shared his information with Gray who wrote an article before any investigation could be done. I do not remember the sequence - perhaps Porteous contacted the FBI - I spoke with the individuals regarding Lyle and felt NO threat and continued as usual - regarding Weber.

What IS WRONG about the complete scenario is that Lyle contacted a movie producer 1st and NOT the FBI! He was "watching an Unsolved Mysteries program about Cooper" (THESE ARE LYLE'S WORDS)"and decide Kenney could be Cooper". He knew little about his own brother and the Cooper case.... he "just thought it would make a good story".

After Gray does the article the man just went along for the ride not realizing he could taint the story for any REAL Cooper suspects.

In so far as Geestman goes it is very much the same scenario played out with Lyle. These old geezers were playing around with this - and it just got out of hand!

When journalist and writers start contacting them - they had to save face. I appreciate how Geestman stood down. He tried to let the others know the position they were putting themselves in - but, they were already dealing with "their" celebrity status. Talk to Geestman and record his conversation - NO one seems to know how to make telephone connections with Geestman. What would he tell the caller? Perhaps just what I stated above!

I differ from the other individuals who have come forward - 1st thing I did was CALL the FBI. Surely the person I talked to remembers the conversation. Wanted to know if I was drinking or taking drugs - prescription or non prescription! Yes, I did have 2 glasses of wine, but only after I contacted the FBI with that first phone call. Then several pages over into the book - I am calling them again - it was ALL there. This was my awakening - Duane had told me - he was Dan Cooooper, 14 months before I ever picked up that damn book and by page 13 or 14 was on the phone to the FBI.

My first gut reaction was to call the FBI - not a publisher or movie producer! THIS is a NORMAL reaction for a law abiding citizen!

SmileIf my information is accurate Marla was already working on a book BEFORE she contacted law enforcement !

If all of the above is correct - why was their re-action NOT the same as mine?Surely the FBI made tapes a tape of these conversations - anyone who would listen to them would know there was a very distraught woman on the other end and not some person looking for a book, movie or attention. What I had just realize about my deceased husband defied all that I stood for - You Do the Crime - You Do the Time!

Because what I told the FBI was NOT fabricated or being done for profit or because it might make a good story - it was a NATURAL response for me to pick-up the phone and call the FBI. I knew nothing about Cooper except what I was reading in that book.

I didn't even wait to get past the first few pages. The FBI put me down, but I continued to read - and then was BACK on the phone - pleading with them to listen to what I was saying! Everything I knew about Duane suddenly made sense!

Duane had been dead for 14 months, I had started a new career and was being sought out by eligible men in our area.
I was never a person to seek fame or position - I was just happy being loved and being a good wife....I had the house and his insurance - so I was not doing without. My life was looking good and I was still young.

Damn Duane - Damn HIM! I loved him and will always remember his touch and his smile and how he knew just how to handle my temper, but his confession stole the next 17 yrs of my life fighting to finish his story.

JO WEBER did NOT approach this thing the way others did - she let her heart lead her and she let her memories guide her. For that I have spent 17 ys in a prison called HELL!

He was my husband of 17 yrs, He had told me about his life in 3rd person...and I had NO idea what he was talking about in 1995.

In the yrs since I contacted the FBI and learned more about his past with the FBI turning a deaf ear and wearing blinders. I feel I failed Duane. I am angry at him and more angry at the FBI...regarding how they approached the case.

Weber was a prime suspect and I should have been more pro-active and have done what Blevins and Marla did - but I was never one to make a public fool out of myself...so I chose to continue my battle by learning more about the crime and jumping - WHY I came to DZ several yrs ago!

WHY DID HE HAVE TO TELL ME he was Cooper.? Why didnt he just keep his damn secret and let if be.

News Articles Today might explain WHY he could NOT tell anyone:


Suggested Reading:

Crimes by ATF, DEA informants not tracked
Article by Brad Heath and Kevin Johnson for USA Today.

SmileMaybe, just Maybe Bob Knoss was NOT so crazy after all! His mind fabricated 99.99% of what he has claimed, but what if there is that one hundredth of one percent possibility that he was aware of "something" he should not have known or remembered?

UnsureCan't believe I just said that. Geeze, I must be feeling pretty desperate!

FrownI KNOW! That statement above even provides Bruce's theory about a secret Mind Control group some credence. I can never remember the name of the group, but all of you know what I speak of.

Yrs ago I spoke with a man who worked with the government - he told me there was things he could NOT tell me. This man was a very very respected individual and very very high ranking - even I will not reveal his name to anyone. Will not and never have so don't ask - but, he did and does exist.

The article in part below gave me hope that someone was actually working trying to balance the scales of justice. The subject of my conversation with this man is reflected by the ARTICLE in our local paper which was provided by USA TODAY:


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"There has to be some new accountability." said Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass, who intorduced a bill last year to force federal enforcement agencies to tell Congress about crimes by their informants.
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(The rules do not require the agencies to tally how often their agents authorize "other-wise illegal actiavity." or what crimes they permit").
End Quote


Secrets - I am so tired of SECRETS! I am tired of going up against the walls of silence within the FBI. Perhaps the WALL are much higher than the FBI walls. You THINK!

At this point - I could easily fall into the covert theory that has been put out to me by MORE than BK. BUT, I have always believed that if there are more than 2 people involved in a secret is NOT a secret!

How many secrets have you guys kept?


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 8, 2012, 9:36 PM
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It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

What causes such full blown psychosis?

Bernie Geestman ............Yada yada........ truth.

Read it again. I think you missed them Main point of the post.

I will not attach a picture to explain, because I have boundaries (sometimes).

If I could understand the question, I would attempt to answer. There isn't anything in Blast about Scott speaking to the hijacker. And I certainly don't owe Bruce Smith an apology. He called my house for an interview, saying it was for a newspaper or something. Instead, it appeared on Dropzone, and he was real angry I wouldn't provide the true names of the witnesses at that time. Bill Rataczak was interviewed, sure. That mistaken Scott reference was in the first edition, which was pulled before less than 30 copies sold. Only edition for sale has been up for almost two years now. Old news.

Bernie Geestman was treated very well by History Channel. He doesn't deserve a fruit basket, that's for sure.


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Farflung

Oct 8, 2012, 10:04 PM
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What the buck? I checked the reviews on the Motel Puyallup, where Bernie was tormented, and discovered that the limits of being cheap, truly knows no bounds. He wasn’t trying to lie, he was likely in the primary stages of anaphylactic shock. Bernie was probably forced to sit in a fourth generation chair, which had been thoroughly covered with male protein stains and a myriad of, yet to be identified, secretions from the several thousand previous, big sweaty, beer drinking and farting, truck drivers who waylaid a couple local strumpets in enchanting Puyallup.

Moldy peanuts, druggies and shouting matches are but a few of the delights awaiting a weary traveler. That and the heat of a camera’s light focused on the pitiful figure of an old man outnumbered by five to one. I guess if your goal is humiliation and belittlement, then a crack whore infested motif, matters little. Bernie is the most senior of senior citizens and you may not agree with him, but there’s no reason to pick on him as he may be someone’s grandfather. Another one came home to roost on you didn’t it? There’s a sound reason some struggle with thinking downstream when they shout something from the highest hilltop. It is why you appear to view things in a vacuum (Marla’s mother won’t back up her story so it is false/ Lyle won’t back up Kenny’s story so it is irrelevant), (It’s not YOUR job to check out what Lyle said on the radio/ It IS YOUR job to check out what Marla’s brother said) and select the version which compliments that moment. Then comes another day and you are in full contradiction mode and quibbling on every point. It is repetitive, just like the 40 plus times you screamed how Bernie (an 80 plus year old man) is a liar and crook.

For RobertMBlevins to constantly gloat about what ‘he’ did to Bernie is disturbing. Is there concern for Bernie’s treatment and his advanced years? Of course not, so strange for someone with ‘manners’ (read: not).
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skyjack71

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That mistaken Scott reference was in the first edition, which was pulled before less than 30 copies sold. Only edition for sale has been up for almost two years now. Old news.

I have posted this BEFORE, but just encase you missed it! The 'story' about Scott was in a supposedly fiction book called
HA HA HA by Dan Cooper. I have the book stored away and I do not have the published date in my head or the exact statement made regarding Cooper.

Outside of the momentary claim you made and the one in that book- there was no other claim Scott went into the cabin and spoke to Cooper. It is funny what STICKS in our minds and we don't need a back-up file to remind us of it.


Robert99

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As of a couple of minutes ago, the countdown is in progress for a 6:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time (5:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time) launch of the balloon.

It will then probably take an hour or so to get to 120,000 feet.

The Red Bull web page (http://www.redbullstratos.com) is active now but not showing pictures of the preparation.

If no problems are encountered, my guess (I haven't crunched the numbers) is that Baumgartner will get very, very close to Mach 1.

But it remains to be seen if he can actually exceed Mach 1. It's that wave drag matter. Hopefully, everything will go well and we will have an answer to the above question in about 10 hours from now.

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 8, 2012, 11:09 PM
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My first RESPONSE upon understanding what my husband told me in the hospital in March of 1995 was to pick up the phone regardless of the time of day or night and CALL THE FBI. Note Duane told me 'I'm Dan Coooper in March of 1995, but I did NOT know who Dan Coooper was until May of 1996.

I remember that night like it was yesterday. It was late evening and I decide to read. I usually fell asleep with a book in my hands in bed...with the lights on.
Well, you know the rest or the story - needless to say I did NOT sleep that night until I was totally emotionally exhausted.

Perhaps this is what MAKES Duane's story or Jo's story (as some like to call it) have more validity. Yet, the FBI has made more mistakes than Carters' got farter starters. Sure later (much later) I did entertain the idea of a book and movie - BUT in the long run I made the decisions.

Book - I told the story before - I canceled my "arrangement" with the writer after 3 pages of NON truths. The writers have to show sensationalism regardless of what the truths might be. This would not be until I went public in 2000.

The only other thing I have consider was the option thing regarding a movie - again this was not until after 2000. I did take measrures to protect my legal rights.

There were several others who contacted me, but the 2 above are the only ones I actually went into any detail with. There was one JT claimed I asked to do a book - but I have the original emails from my contact with her and they do NOT say ONE thing about wanting her to do a book.
I was simply contacting her out of respect for a very dear friend of mine who contacted her on my behalf.

Somehow she mistook the communication as my wanting her to do a book. I was QUICK to let her know I did not think a WOMAN would be who I would want to do the book if I ever allowed one to be done and I wanted to see what the FBI was going to do. I felt that until the FBI acknowledged Duane was Cooper that there was no story. Yet, I knew I needed to make some kind of preparation "just encase".

The vultures were circling....yet, I kept holding out. Then in 2007 along comes Blevins with Christansen and the Marla with DL. I am glad I held out and continued to fight my battle with research and the help of this thread.

All of that was right after I went public - until then the only communications I had were with friends and family and the FBI (active and retired)and JT and Doug Pasternak as he was the pivitol that helped me go public and question the investigation of the FBI. I had made contacts trying to get help with the investigation - and sometimes that led to unwanted contacts which I quickly dismissed or checked out.

The FBI sent me a letter in 1998, but I preservered and kept calling them and finding family members and when the FBI flagrantly lied to me on the phone in March of 2000 - that did it and I went public.

Five (5) yrs after I contacted the FBI I finally went public. Blevins, Porteous, Gray and Marla - couldn't get wait for the FBI to run with their STORY and that is why their STORY is just that - A STORY!

Have I accomplished my GOAL?
You THINK? I expect all of you will have opinions about that, but don't get too complacent or you might get caught with your drawers down or is this just the same old repeat we see and hear every yr about this time.

NOW, 377 - that is a REAL TEASE!
You guys have come to expect the TEASES with the fall of the first leaves each yr - haven't you?


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RobertMBlevins

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What the buck? I checked the reviews on the Motel Puyallup, where Bernie was tormented, and discovered that the limits of being cheap, truly knows no bounds. He wasn’t trying to lie, he was likely in the primary stages of anaphylactic shock. Bernie was probably forced to sit in a fourth generation chair, which had been thoroughly covered with male protein stains and a myriad of, yet to be identified, secretions from the several thousand previous, big sweaty, beer drinking and farting, truck drivers who waylaid a couple local strumpets in enchanting Puyallup.

Moldy peanuts, druggies and shouting matches are but a few of the delights awaiting a weary traveler. That and the heat of a camera’s light focused on the pitiful figure of an old man outnumbered by five to one. I guess if your goal is humiliation and belittlement, then a crack whore infested motif, matters little. Bernie is the most senior of senior citizens and you may not agree with him, but there’s no reason to pick on him as he may be someone’s grandfather. Another one came home to roost on you didn’t it? There’s a sound reason some struggle with thinking downstream when they shout something from the highest hilltop. It is why you appear to view things in a vacuum (Marla’s mother won’t back up her story so it is false/ Lyle won’t back up Kenny’s story so it is irrelevant), (It’s not YOUR job to check out what Lyle said on the radio/ It IS YOUR job to check out what Marla’s brother said) and select the version which compliments that moment. Then comes another day and you are in full contradiction mode and quibbling on every point. It is repetitive, just like the 40 plus times you screamed how Bernie (an 80 plus year old man) is a liar and crook.

For RobertMBlevins to constantly gloat about what ‘he’ did to Bernie is disturbing. Is there concern for Bernie’s treatment and his advanced years? Of course not, so strange for someone with ‘manners’ (read: not).

You assume a lot for someone who was not there, and did not participate in the interview. I received a detailed report about it from the producers, and spoke to the film crew. They were VERY nice to Bernie, as a matter of fact. I may check with Marisa Kagan to see if he was paid their standard $2,500 to appear...an amount he was offered, plus a chauffeur for a trip of 115 miles each way, which he declined. Since Bernie sent flowers and a teddy bear to one of the producers down in LA afterward, I would say he was happy with the way they treated him. I wonder if he told his live-in girlfriend about that...

As far as Marla and her family, it wasn't just her brother who didn't back her story. Same thing with mother and sister, and they were in attendance as well. Unless you are saying you actually BELIEVE her story, and if so...you should go on the record with that and say why.

Lyle's radio interview: Asked and answered. At least you could come up with something NEW. It doesn't matter in the slightest bit whether Lyle ever said he didn't think his brother was the hijacker. He was living halfway across the country and to my best recollection, Kenny never told him he was the hijacker. So, excuse me...but HOW EXACTLY would Lyle know the truth one way or another? You've dodged that question more than a few times because it's convenient. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Lyle had said he DID think his brother was the hijacker, does that make it true? And would you now be saying that this proves Kenny was the hijacker? LOL. I think not.


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