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MeyerLouie

Oct 4, 2012, 8:53 PM
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I don't usually double-post, but I've been giving thought again to holding a DB Cooper Whatever Thing at the Auburn Avenue Theatre next August.

Now...I know a lot of you out there in ThreadLand gave me the 3rd-degree because I canceled that idea last year for Auburn Days. But here's the deal: ALMOST NO ONE WAS INTERESTED. I put up a webpage on it for six months, and got TWO EMAILS.

That's right. So I canceled the idea. Anyone with a grain of sense would have done the same. However, with the proper support I might be willing to entertain this for the second weekend of August 2013. But I have to see some REAL interest or forget it.

The Ave seats 250, has a huge pull-down screen, and a big stage for panel discussions. AB always fronts the free refreshments at the Snack Counter. Gayla passes them out. Most people think we hired her for the day, when in reality she's The Prez. Not of everything. Just AB. (*laughs*)

One of the things I want to do is collaborate with a couple of different people on a short film that covers everything truly known about the hijacking, and all the known suspects. I mean ALL of them, the ones at WIKI, even if they've been eliminated. I have great equipment and Wondershare. It can be done. I could organize this to actually work, but not with negativity and certainly not without cooperation.

People don't want to hear that Ken Christiansen might be the hijacker, not by itself. They want to hear the entire DB Cooper story from all sides, all suspects, all angles. And that includes the Seattle FBI and their efforts to solve the case.

There are some benefits to participating. For example, core organizers will get a free box seat and lunch at Emerald Downs, a photo op, minor TV on a cable sports channel, and you can see the horses up close and maybe do some betting on the races. The main event is the Pioneer Queen race, held by Auburn Days and the track co-operatively. Anyone on the Auburn Days committee gets the royal treatment. As chairman for the Auburn Theatre event each year, I'm allowed to name a limited number of folks to attend Pioneer Queen.

Trust me, this is a fun thing. I won fourteen bucks above what I paid for parking, although you can park free if you're willing to walk. And walk.

This is something which cannot be done by just one person, or even the AB staff. It is much bigger than me, or anyone in this office. I see it more as a Northwest thing. Smile

There will already be something next year guaranteed to pack the house. AB is working with the Auburn School District on our Young Writers' Project. Three kids will be signed to contracts/royalty agreements for the best three books subbed. Two will be published for Kindle, the first place winner for Kindle and six/nine paperback. Top three will be announced in the media before the event...but not the order of the winners. That will be done at the theatre. Exact time during that Saturday is still not set. Doing something for kids always brings a crowd. And why not? It's a nice thing.

Blevins, how many times are you going to do the it's-on-again, it's-off-again routine? Don't get pissed, throw a temper tantrum, and threaten to quit when things (like the tentative agenda) don't go your way. It's a broken record, like most of your posts. MeyerLouie




skyjack71

Oct 4, 2012, 9:47 PM
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Apparently the claim of it being acceptable to discuss Duane if a new photo is included, is somehow akin to talking about other suspects, even though it’s still the same hackneyed Duane who has had an inordinate amount of time ‘wasted’ on his background. While simultaneously chilling thread readers to the bone, at the potential nightmare of writhing agony and squandered time, where each and every photo of Duane will now be posted and analyzed to the point where the Zapruder film will appear to have been given a passing glance.

There have been quibblers throughout history, and their numbers have continually risen. I have an issue with Mr. Darwin over this phenomenon, unless some species actually devolve into a self interested group who communicate via passive aggressive speech patterns and denial. You can make all the multi-syllabic, non-diction claims you like, but ultimately the people you are trying hardest to convince of your righteous cause, already know precisely what you are. Quibblers.

PRESENT your SUSPECT!
The thread admitted in the majority Kenney was not Cooper. WHERE ARE your arguments that the suspect I present - WAS not Cooper?




skyjack71

Oct 4, 2012, 10:03 PM
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Number one I have not been on the computer since you made your post.

I WILL STATE THIS - WAS YOUR SUBJECT IDENTIFIED BY THE ARTIST AS HAVING CHARACTERISTS HE TRIED TO PORTRAY IN THE COMPOSITS AND DID HE HAVE A TRAIT THAT THE WITNESSES TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THE ARTIST?

DID YOU EVER TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THIS COMPOSITE ARTIST?



1) Have pictures of Duane Weber been shown to the known witnesses? (Yes/No)

Unknown WHAT photo was shown to the witnesses - all the FBI had was a distorted photo Duane's brother sent me and I have no idea if the FBI presented the pictures I had....the FBI didn't ask me for pictures - so all they would have saw is what-ever appeared in a magazine or newspaper.


2) Did any of these witnesses identify Duane as the hijacker? (Yes/No)

Do not know? Depends on WHAT photos they were shown by the FBI. If it was the one they had on their site - well that did not look like the Weber I have pictures of.



3) Failing a positive identification, did any of the witnesses name Duane Weber as POSSIBLY being the hijacker?

IMPOSSIBLE to answer that if they were shown only the photo the FBI used.


4) Failing that, did any of the witnesses say that Duane LOOKED like the hijacker? (Yes/No)

AGAIN - what photo did the FBI present as Weber? THat one old photo they used did NOT look like the Weber I knew.


5) Was Duane Weber, on 11/24/1971 in a marital relationship? (Yes/No)

Supposedly separated in November of 1971 and claimed she did NOT go back to him until Feb of 1972.


6) Has anyone sent pictures of Duane Weber to witness Flo Schaffner for her examination? (Yes/No)

I did - but do NOT know if she even received them. I even sent a return for the collections(packaging and postage) if she chose NOT to view them. NEVER got them back and she NEVER told anyone if she SAW them.
I was never able to find out what happened to the package. They were sealed and if she did NOT want to view them all she had to do was seal the enclosed packaging and return it at no charge to her. I spent over 50 dollars to prepare the package and then postage of about 15 dollars and with the return postage of the same. NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT at all.



7) Is the woman who identified Duane Weber's handwriting in a book about DB Cooper willing to go on the record now that she recognized the handwriting as Weber's? (Yes/No)
THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED! She was wrong and I have had the writing thru this thread (remember I posted samples)and by an individual in this area - we do NOT think the handwriting was Webers.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 4, 2012, 10:09 PM)


skyjack71

Oct 4, 2012, 10:16 PM
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Skyjack 71 says:

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'PRESENT your SUSPECT!
The thread admitted in the majority Kenney was not Cooper. WHERE ARE your arguments that the suspect I present - WAS not Cooper?'

Insufficient evidence. And you didn't answer the simple questions I asked back there a couple of posts.

INSUFFIENT INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

DID YOU VIEW THE LAST PHOTO OF WEBER I PRESENTED TO THE THREAD? HAS THE FBI VIEWED THAT PHOTO OF WEBER? HAS THE FBI OR THE WITNESSES VIEWED THE PHOTOS OF WEBER THE FBI DID NOT ASK ME FOR A PHOTO OF WEBER (THE SUPPOSEDLY USED ONLY THE OLD FILE PHOTO THEY HAD)UNTIL 2000.

THOSE I MADE AVAILABLE ON THIS THREAD OF RECENT - HAS ANY OF THE WITNESSES SEEN THOSE PHOTO - OF COURSE NOT AND THEY WON'T IF THE FBI DOES NOT CONTACT THEM.




Robert99

Oct 4, 2012, 11:00 PM
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In reply to:
Apparently the claim of it being acceptable to discuss Duane if a new photo is included, is somehow akin to talking about other suspects, even though it’s still the same hackneyed Duane who has had an inordinate amount of time ‘wasted’ on his background. While simultaneously chilling thread readers to the bone, at the potential nightmare of writhing agony and squandered time, where each and every photo of Duane will now be posted and analyzed to the point where the Zapruder film will appear to have been given a passing glance.

There have been quibblers throughout history, and their numbers have continually risen. I have an issue with Mr. Darwin over this phenomenon, unless some species actually devolve into a self interested group who communicate via passive aggressive speech patterns and denial. You can make all the multi-syllabic, non-diction claims you like, but ultimately the people you are trying hardest to convince of your righteous cause, already know precisely what you are. Quibblers.

PRESENT your SUSPECT!
The thread admitted in the majority Kenney was not Cooper. WHERE ARE your arguments that the suspect I present - WAS not Cooper?

Jo, You need to start reading the thread yourself. So to use mostly your own words, keep reading.

The thread has also admitted in the majority that Duane was not Cooper. So there is your argument that Duane was not Cooper straight out of your own mouth.

Robert99


georger

Oct 4, 2012, 11:02 PM
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In reply to:
I don't usually double-post, but I've been giving thought again to holding a DB Cooper Whatever Thing at the Auburn Avenue Theatre next August.

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Blevins, how many times are you going to do the it's-on-again, it's-off-again routine? Don't get pissed, throw a temper tantrum, and threaten to quit when things (like the tentative agenda) don't go your way. It's a broken record, like most of your posts. MeyerLouie

Says he doesn't double post. He usually quintuple
posts - CoolLaughUnsure

Since I dont see his shit any more except when
people reply to his "shit" his most often posted
words on internet posts everywhere are:

stupid
hate
personal
its personal with ...
you didnt ...
lie

Guy seems very obsessed or something.

I wonder why he bothers. LaughShocked


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georger

Oct 4, 2012, 11:08 PM
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Skyjack 71 says:

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'PRESENT your SUSPECT!
The thread admitted in the majority Kenney was not Cooper. WHERE ARE your arguments that the suspect I present - WAS not Cooper?'

Insufficient evidence. And you didn't answer the simple questions I asked back there a couple of posts.

INSUFFIENT INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

DID YOU VIEW THE LAST PHOTO OF WEBER I PRESENTED TO THE THREAD? HAS THE FBI VIEWED THAT PHOTO OF WEBER? HAS THE FBI OR THE WITNESSES VIEWED THE PHOTOS OF WEBER THE FBI DID NOT ASK ME FOR A PHOTO OF WEBER (THE SUPPOSEDLY USED ONLY THE OLD FILE PHOTO THEY HAD)UNTIL 2000.

THOSE I MADE AVAILABLE ON THIS THREAD OF RECENT - HAS ANY OF THE WITNESSES SEEN THOSE PHOTO - OF COURSE NOT AND THEY WON'T IF THE FBI DOES NOT CONTACT THEM.

Is Frankenblev after you now? Crazy
Funny.

I guess he's run out of easy victims.. Cool

He always picks on the weak and harmless.
Must have a perversion of something.
Gray was right about that guy!
Gray knew something!

He's taking you on to save you! Crazy
(and be a hero!)


(This post was edited by georger on Oct 4, 2012, 11:12 PM)




Farflung

Oct 5, 2012, 8:23 AM
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Skyjack71 SHOUTS with typical self righteous indignation:

PRESENT your SUSPECT!

Here’s the problem with the inferred ownership of a suspect. NO ONE can own the DB Cooper story any more than one can own any piece of history. YOU can, and do own, a massive piece of fiction you have mindlessly cobbled together which no one is interested in reading about.

The FBI isn’t committing all these acts of collusion, obstruction of justice and whatever other felonies you constantly accuse them of perpetrating. You jump to that conclusion because they won’t do what YOU demand by ‘confronting’ them. Gee, the FBI ignores you because they are incompetent or corrupt instead of you simply being an unpleasant person, who they evade like any sane and rational individual would.

‘My’ suspect is contained within the long held laws of physics and observable, therefore measurable parameters. Like the probable ellipse which contains the flight track of 305, with a probability deep into the 97th percentile, instead of some Sasquatch based fantasy, crafted with nothing more than force of will. Some people would be humiliated by the suggestion of an electronic men’s girdle which receives navigation signals for example. But ignorance being bliss, shelters one from the sting of ridicule typically associated with unicorns or Elvis sightings at Burger Kings.

I can accept that Cooper lived, and I can accept Cooper was killed at the same time. Yes, if there is information which supports both, then until some compelling and verified data proves something else, the condition remains static. I save a lot of energy not having to put ‘MY’ suspect in every conceivable situation via fabrication and false witness.

What ‘MY’ suspect can’t do is engage in time travel or change geography any more than he could inseminate several of the mother’s who have children that comment on this thread. That alone, should qualify one for admittance to a state sponsored laughing academy.

I will continue to cross-check and validate any data which is presented with faux authority no matter how utterly absurd it is on the surface, and endlessly repeated. I do this since fantasy doesn’t have source material because it is always crap made up from wishful thinking and repetitive publication. Everyone should welcome having their data verified, just like Kenny was getting his height nailed down with a varied and collaborative effort, till someone had a tantrum. It’s good to try and think downstream once and a while. But you won’t.

There are plenty of people out there that are more than willing to say exactly what you want to hear. Typically for some price, be it money or dignity, you will pay. Some people were NOT saying what you wanted to hear, causing you to crow and complain how “other suspects” need to be discussed in typical passive aggressive steering. When challenged that you merely suffered from butthurt because Duane wasn’t mentioned, you pulled out the ever reliable denial card and put the spot light on your mind numbingly, repetitive mention of Duane, and enjoyed the push back that it richly deserves.

In a delightfully ironic response to my comment about your endless quibbling, you masterfully answered seven (7) binary, yes/no questions asked by RobertMBlevins with typical quibbling. Not a single YES or NO; simply exquisite in timing and the sheer state of oblivion in which it must have been crafted. Priceless.


Farflung

Oct 5, 2012, 8:53 AM
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Skyjack71 continues to steer the conversation with:


“WHERE ARE your arguments that the suspect I present - WAS not Cooper?”


By the “suspect YOU present” do you mean Duane? Because that’s so smooth how you infer Duane without actually typing Duane. Is Duane one of the ‘other suspects’ YOU wanted to discuss? No, you already denied trying to steer or manipulate the thread to talking about Duane.

Since YOU wanted to discuss ‘other suspects’ AND wasn’t using that as a foil to mean Duane, I can’t and won’t comment since we are now dedicated to discussing ‘other suspects’ as YOU demanded. Think downstream!




Farflung

Oct 5, 2012, 12:47 PM
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RobertMBlevins writes as if his hands are guided by some cosmic force with a huge sense of humor:


Logic dictates the following: If KC can't be proven to be the guy who did it, then perhaps it's someone else.”



I can say with one hundred percent certainty

(100%)

O-N-E H-U-N-D-R-E-D P-E-R-C-E-N-T

Logic does NOT dictate any such thing!!!! Oh, mah gawwwwwwwwd!!!!!!!

Try and follow along:

If KC can’t be proven to be the guy who did it,

THEN (insert incredulous, slap yourself pause)……

Perhaps (PERHAPS!!!! (as in just maybe)) it’s someone else.

I need a drink.


377  (F 666)

Oct 5, 2012, 1:00 PM
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Belvins wrote:
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It remains a mystery to me how the hell they swallowed Marla's story so quickly and went public with it.

Did the FBI really swallow it or did Marla merely claim that the FBI really swallowed it?

Maybe Ayn Dietrich got a little carried away in speaking with a foreign journalist. That doesnt mean that the FBI really thought LDC was DBC.
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... June 2011 when PIO Ayn Dietrich told British journalist Alex Hannaford that the Bureau had its “most promising lead” in nearly forty years. Hannaford published that tidbit in the London Sunday Telegraph on Saturday, July 30, and the news exploded on the wire services.

Quote:
"With any lead our first step is to assess how credible it is," said Sandalo Dietrich, spokeswoman for the FBI's Seattle office, where the Cooper evidence is kept. "Having this come through another law enforcement [agency], having looked it over when we got it - it seems pretty interesting."

Quote:
The FBI, which has chased more than 1,000 leads over the years and checked out countless names, revealed earlier this week "a promising lead" had led them to a man who had died about 10 years ago. The bureau said it has been investigating the lead for more than a year while cautioning that a major break in the case wasn't imminent.

Marla said:
Quote:
“He (Eng) told me that he will be closing down the case after the findings are reported regardless of whether they find a match or not,” she said.

Marla also said
Quote:
In an exclusive interview with the Mountain News on December 1, Marla further declared that Mr. Eng had also told her he is “convinced” her uncle is DB Cooper.

In Cooper matters where the facts are scrambled, Bruce Smith usually sorts them out. Witness his masterful job investigating the ownership of the Cooper chutes.

So I'll defer to Bruce as to how much the FBI really swallowed Marla's story. What say you Bruce?

BTW here is a nice photo of Tom K and Marla: http://themountainnewswa.net/...l-close-case-shortly

I wonder what Marla is up to now? She sure lit things up for a while.

377


(This post was edited by 377 on Oct 5, 2012, 1:05 PM)


georger

Oct 5, 2012, 1:36 PM
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RobertMBlevins writes as if his hands are guided by some cosmic force with a huge sense of humor:


Logic dictates the following: If KC can't be proven to be the guy who did it, then perhaps it's someone else.”



I can say with one hundred percent certainty

(100%)

O-N-E H-U-N-D-R-E-D P-E-R-C-E-N-T

Logic does NOT dictate any such thing!!!! Oh, mah gawwwwwwwwd!!!!!!!

Try and follow along:

If KC can’t be proven to be the guy who did it,

THEN (insert incredulous, slap yourself pause)……

Perhaps (PERHAPS!!!! (as in just maybe)) it’s someone else.

I need a drink.

Did the person actually say that!!! ???

Logic dictates the following: If KC can't be proven to be the guy who did it, then perhaps it's someone else.”

q CDR-0.5 = very mild dementia
q CDR-1 = mild
q CDR-2 = moderate
q CDR-3 = severe


Farflung

Oct 5, 2012, 1:39 PM
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The word?


http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related


Perhaps, just perhaps.
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georger

Oct 5, 2012, 1:40 PM
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Belvins wrote:
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It remains a mystery to me how the hell they swallowed Marla's story so quickly and went public with it.

Did the FBI really swallow it or did Marla merely claim that the FBI really swallowed it?

Maybe Ayn Dietrich got a little carried away in speaking with a foreign journalist. That doesnt mean that the FBI really thought LDC was DBC.
Quote:
... June 2011 when PIO Ayn Dietrich told British journalist Alex Hannaford that the Bureau had its “most promising lead” in nearly forty years. Hannaford published that tidbit in the London Sunday Telegraph on Saturday, July 30, and the news exploded on the wire services.

Quote:
"With any lead our first step is to assess how credible it is," said Sandalo Dietrich, spokeswoman for the FBI's Seattle office, where the Cooper evidence is kept. "Having this come through another law enforcement [agency], having looked it over when we got it - it seems pretty interesting."

Quote:
The FBI, which has chased more than 1,000 leads over the years and checked out countless names, revealed earlier this week "a promising lead" had led them to a man who had died about 10 years ago. The bureau said it has been investigating the lead for more than a year while cautioning that a major break in the case wasn't imminent.

Marla said:
Quote:
“He (Eng) told me that he will be closing down the case after the findings are reported regardless of whether they find a match or not,” she said.

Marla also said
Quote:
In an exclusive interview with the Mountain News on December 1, Marla further declared that Mr. Eng had also told her he is “convinced” her uncle is DB Cooper.

In Cooper matters where the facts are scrambled, Bruce Smith usually sorts them out. Witness his masterful job investigating the ownership of the Cooper chutes.

So I'll defer to Bruce as to how much the FBI really swallowed Marla's story. What say you Bruce?

BTW here is a nice photo of Tom K and Marla: http://themountainnewswa.net/...l-close-case-shortly

I wonder what Marla is up to now? She sure lit things up for a while.

377


I agree. Was kind of bad when the AB TROLL drove
her off ... if you had the choice today of Marla
versus The Troll, who would you take?

Marla could be here posting pics of her campouts,
instead!

So much for hindsight -

Crazy


377  (F 666)

Oct 5, 2012, 1:46 PM
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Georger wrote (about Marla?)
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So much for hindsight -

Good one G!

377


Robert99

Oct 5, 2012, 2:07 PM
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To change the subject to something that apparently has little to do with this web page, Felix Baumgartner is scheduled to go for his 120,000 foot jump early Monday morning (October 8th), weather permitting.

It has been announced that this will be shown live. Apparently it is going to be streamed live on the Red Bull Stratos web page.

Robert99




377  (F 666)

Oct 5, 2012, 2:35 PM
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Cool.

It's all about the life support gear, so pray for no malfunctions. Red Bull has spent millions and bought the every best engineering and equipment designed to insure Felix's survival.

Nick Piantanida tried several times to do this jump on a budget and died trying. http://artofmanliness.com/...magnificent-failure/

Its brutal up at those altitudes. You lose O2 or pressure and it's over very fast. Your blood literally boils if your pressure suit fails.

377


mrshutter45

Oct 5, 2012, 2:35 PM
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Ok.....lets go over the last few pages shall we?

KC is not Cooper
Weber is not Cooper
Blevins is not liked too much around here
Marla is still working on her book (not confirmed) still birth issues LD & Dewey to hurdle over!!
BK might be in a Sh$t load of trouble
Farf needs a drink (right behind ya)

Nutshell Cool Film at 11 Cool


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