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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 1, 2012, 10:30 AM
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You're Killing Me!Tongue

Great posts!Cool

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 1, 2012, 1:25 PM
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this was found in two minutes

http://www.governmentattic.org/...RC_VIP_List_2009.pdf

scroll down to Weber


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 1, 2012, 1:54 PM
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Didn't see that one, I was in an Army Only server.
Interesting how that is a heavily filtered "VIP" list.
I wonder who made the annotation, with what authority and evidence? Typically any thing "Official" would not put a personal opinion out as "fact" like that.

So does this answer Jo's curiosities?

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 1, 2012, 4:05 PM
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Didn't see that one, I was in an Army Only server.
Interesting how that is a heavily filtered "VIP" list.
I wonder who made the annotation, with what authority and evidence? Typically any thing "Official" would not put a personal opinion out as "fact" like that.

So does this answer Jo's curiosities?

Matt

yep, they rip on Howard Cosell pretty bad calling him the worst sports caster, seen Cosby, Bing Crosby's brother etc etc


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skyjack71

Oct 1, 2012, 7:40 PM
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I answered your Wavy Green question, twice at least.
But here goes again. There are many on the lists I found, you can look at your lists, they are on the internet, just type it in with the service number. I did not run all of them down, not my job, that is yours.

Then do the same for Duane, I did, he didn't show up.

Matt

If it didn't show up it has been removed - what would be the purpose of that. I have ACTUAL government documents regarding the Army. I cannot scan a document that will post in the thread. If there is a way for this to be done - send me a PM and I will try.

If these documents have been expunged or deleted - that sounds very suspicious. My documents came directly from Veterans Affairs or whatever that Office was I went to in Pensacola several yrs ago.


skyjack71

Oct 1, 2012, 7:53 PM
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I could NOT download that page You guys are talking about.

Damn you get honey do's at home and then get on the computer and get Granny can't do's.

I will try to download when I am not on the thread and maybe that will work unless you guys have a key word I need to type in.

What is unusual about whatever is stated regarding Weber?


skyjack71

Oct 1, 2012, 10:41 PM
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Only one person to have actually taken the time to see come see me viewed this photo. It has come to my attention I need to let go of some of these things.

I will only show the part of this photo that is necessary to make a point as I have always protected those who Duane knew.

Note: Most pictures taken of Duane after the crime show his hair a sometimes wavy, but sleek with gray hair and with the right product he kept a sleeker look.

This photo was taken in a very public place so he is clowning around, but note his hair. His early pictures prior to 1968 sometimes reflected his hair as being curly and wavy....but none where of high enough quality to make my point.

1. Note the curly hair - he was in a very humidy place at this time and completely surrounded by water....and WA is very humid in November.

2. He had stopped dying his hair and let the gray grow-out and usually very well groomed. This photo caught a part of Weber seldom seen except by those who knew him well.

3. Note the forehead creases and note the hair line appears to be receding even though it was NOT to any extent also this photo is taken by a person much shorter than Weber so the angle is looking up.

4. Note the eye lids! Look carefully and then compare the lids with the composite.

5. He is clowning with a wide eyed expression, but this one photo was the highest quality photo taken of Weber. Even the raising of the eyebrows and a clown factor he could NOT dequise his curly hair nor the shape of the eyelids.

6. We all have some irregularity to our lids - but this ONE is dead on with the composite.

7. I have a prior photo that shows what appears to be a bruise or scar on his forhead, but that photo was poor quality and the mark could have been a smudge of some sort on the photo - so I have never used it.

8. Do any of you see some things noted to the composite artist? Remember his forehead had a slant to it.

9. Let your imagination place the photo of the glasses up on this portion of his head. The wife sent me a picture of her holding these glasses. Remember the stems of the sun glasses where wide and the nose piece of the frame allowed the glasses to sit lower on his nose and face than the regular glasses he wore. The prescript lens he wore with his regular glasses (made his eyes look smaller than they actually were).

10. Also remember the witnesses looked directly at him or from the side or from above him when he was seated. The concepts of the position these individuals view Cooper all have to be taken into acoount.


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Farflung

Oct 1, 2012, 11:30 PM
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As a courtesy to Skyjack71, I’ve listed some of the oft use phrases favored by women who have secret group meetings in restrooms, and think that men aren’t aware of their true meaning. Like whining about something already being discussed when the real translation means talk about Duane for the billionth time. To avoid any confusion and deflect any blame, I arranged the things a woman would say numerically. The alpha characters represent precisely what every man on the planet, knows this passive aggressive fragment, laced with concern, to actually mean. But feel free to deny in the face of it all.


1. Now that you’re done with that…..
A. The productive must be rewarded with more work.

2. We need to talk.
B. Squeal like a pig, squeeeeeallllllll!

3. Do you need anything from the store?
C. Just talk randomly because you know it’ll never show up.

4. When are you going to…….
D. You know I don’t care when, just do it!

5. What do you think about…..
E. You know it doesn’t matter at all, just violently agree.

6. I don’t understand why you’re always at that stupid bar.
F. I believe that crabbing about you being gone; will somehow make you want to stay to listen to more crabbing.

7. Where do you want to go for dinner?
G. Pick my favorite place or die.

8. What are you thinking about?
H. I’m a needy black hole of despair, and want you to join me.

9. The car is making a strange sound.
I. You’re buying a new car very soon.

10. I got this on sale.
J. You’re going bankrupt.

11. Are you ready yet?
K. You will be kept waiting for at least 45 more minutes.

12. Do you like this song?
L. Agreeing to liking any Kenny G song saves me from humiliating you in front of your friends.

13. Do you like making me cry?
M. You should have said you liked Kenny G.

14. What are you doing tomorrow?
N. You’re carrying bags at the mall.

15. What would you like for dinner?
O. Insist on going out.

16. You’re not going to the bar now?
P. You’re not going to the bar now?

17. We can order an appetizer and share.
Q. Touch one shrimp scampi and you’ll pull back a bloody stump.

18. Hold my purse.
R. Castration is still illegal.

19. What do you want to watch?
S. Lifetime, Friends re-runs, QVC, Oprah, Martha Stewart.

20. I want to do, what you want to do.
T. As long as you want to watch Lifetime, Friends re-runs, Oprah, Martha Stewart.

21. I can’t bear to leave you.
U. Don’t drink, laugh or otherwise enjoy living.

22. Sandra’s husband makes $140k.
V. Castration is still illegal.

23. What’s so funny?
W. Were you enjoying life?

24. I might as well not be here.
X. I’m not going anywhere, ever.

25. Do you remember my friend Jennifer?
Y. Display anything but a grimace while recalling her and die!

26. Remember your……
Z. It’s destroyed.

You can thank me later Skyjack71, as I’m sure you’re shocked that us men actually know so much about this secret language, and the homicide rates remain incredibly stable in spite of it all. So the only reason you would keep up the pretense of concern about subjects being repeated and people having not enough to do, is because that is how you get your jollies.


skyjack71

Oct 2, 2012, 12:35 AM
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You can thank me later Skyjack71, as I’m sure you’re shocked that us men actually know so much about this secret language, and the homicide rates remain incredibly stable in spite of it all. So the only reason you would keep up the pretense of concern about subjects being repeated and people having not enough to do, is because that is how you get your jollies.

Sorry Farflung I so NOT fit the profile! Number one - I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman.

NO, I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber. YOU have NO idea what I am trying to do.

I have not lied or told a story and right now I am just trying to tell the things I have held back on - it makes no difference if Duane was Cooper or not to any of you. I am just putting everything on the line and in public...I am not here for profit or attention like others....

For instance - Matt and someone else tells me about a site - that I can't find and Matt tells me Weber was NOT in the army yet I have the papers. I ask someone how I present the paper on the thread and they change the subject.

Do you actually know what I want to do, but haven't figured out how to do this fiancially or physically? I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out and actually takes some of the things I have pointed out and explain to me - why I have caught them in SO MANY errors.

The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do. (I was not even able to recite a poem standing up in class).

I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....The FBI agent who came to see me did NOT know anything about Cooper. Then after all of these yrs - the FBI has been caught in misnomers that need to be explained and the only way to do that is in-person....but I would be my own worse representative....because I will go completely blank and my notes won't mean a thing to me.

Because of how the FBI has treated me - I am afraid of them and yet angry at them for how they handled this case. I want the FBI to stand up and state EXACTLY why and prove HOW they have Cooper's DNA...did they test the ropes (why not). I also want to know how many DNA markers did they extract from the items I sent them and exactly what items this DNA was extracted from. This is important as some of those item had never been used. I want to know if they extracted any DNA from those items with the PKD markers - if there is actually such a thing.

How are they SO sure they have Cooper's DNA. What was so unique about Cooper's DNA on that tie that they know it belonged to Cooper. I feel I deserve an explanation about the fingerprint situation and how the FBI handle that one.

WHY did the FBI agent actually lie to me about Duane? That in itself is a loaded question. I can PROVE the agent lied and I want to know why. I can prove another agent was negligent in how he handled information and I want to know why.

If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?
If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life. IF they had PROOF Weber was NOT COOPER - why have they NOT sat down with me and told me exactly what they have that proves Weber could not be Cooper....

THEY screwed up ROYALLY with 2 different AGENTS on the prints.
AND that ALONE says they NEVER invested in Weber as Cooper.

I got one AGENT on Tape and I got the other on the THREAD. These mistakes indicated they did NOT seriously investigate Weber.


mrshutter45

Oct 2, 2012, 3:06 AM
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Polymorphic DNA markers can now be used for presymptomatic and prenatal diagnosis of the autosomal dominant form of polycystic kidney disease (PKD).

the site you can't see is a PDF file which you probably don't have, there is not much on it about Duane except this small paragraph. (see photo)

Matt said he couldn't find anything on Duane, I don't think he said he wasn't in the Army.


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Farflung

Oct 2, 2012, 8:33 AM
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Skyjack71 crabs and complains about:

Why are U guys so involved in the pros and cons of Kenny versus any other suspect?”

Skyjack71 then declares:

I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber.”

Well then, who did YOU mean by any other suspect? So far it has been Duane, Duane, Duane and Duane, at the exclusion of all others. Sure looks like passive aggressive steering of the subject to me, but I don’t expect any confessions.

Skyjack71 astonishingly states:

I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman.”

Skyjack71 goes on to declare in the body of the SAME comment these man-centric phrases:

“I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out…..”

“The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do.”


Sooooooo…… ummm….. your solution is to camp out on the FBI’s doorstep until they ‘Hear You Out’, where you know that once in front of them you will forget everything you were going to say. You sound exactly like a man with that plan.

Skyjack71 goes on with man-like linear logic by typing:

I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....”

I couldn’t have said that better myself, this is probably the keynote of the entire DBC thread. Yep, I’m convinced that Skyjack71 does in fact “think like a man”, and as she went on to clarify with- “and not a woman”. My bad.


Robert99

Oct 2, 2012, 9:49 AM
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In reply to:
You can thank me later Skyjack71, as I’m sure you’re shocked that us men actually know so much about this secret language, and the homicide rates remain incredibly stable in spite of it all. So the only reason you would keep up the pretense of concern about subjects being repeated and people having not enough to do, is because that is how you get your jollies.

Sorry Farflung I so NOT fit the profile! Number one - I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman.

NO, I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber. YOU have NO idea what I am trying to do.

I have not lied or told a story and right now I am just trying to tell the things I have held back on - it makes no difference if Duane was Cooper or not to any of you. I am just putting everything on the line and in public...I am not here for profit or attention like others....

For instance - Matt and someone else tells me about a site - that I can't find and Matt tells me Weber was NOT in the army yet I have the papers. I ask someone how I present the paper on the thread and they change the subject.

Do you actually know what I want to do, but haven't figured out how to do this fiancially or physically? I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out and actually takes some of the things I have pointed out and explain to me - why I have caught them in SO MANY errors.

The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do. (I was not even able to recite a poem standing up in class).

I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....The FBI agent who came to see me did NOT know anything about Cooper. Then after all of these yrs - the FBI has been caught in misnomers that need to be explained and the only way to do that is in-person....but I would be my own worse representative....because I will go completely blank and my notes won't mean a thing to me.

Because of how the FBI has treated me - I am afraid of them and yet angry at them for how they handled this case. I want the FBI to stand up and state EXACTLY why and prove HOW they have Cooper's DNA...did they test the ropes (why not). I also want to know how many DNA markers did they extract from the items I sent them and exactly what items this DNA was extracted from. This is important as some of those item had never been used. I want to know if they extracted any DNA from those items with the PKD markers - if there is actually such a thing.

How are they SO sure they have Cooper's DNA. What was so unique about Cooper's DNA on that tie that they know it belonged to Cooper. I feel I deserve an explanation about the fingerprint situation and how the FBI handle that one.

WHY did the FBI agent actually lie to me about Duane? That in itself is a loaded question. I can PROVE the agent lied and I want to know why. I can prove another agent was negligent in how he handled information and I want to know why.

If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?
If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life. IF they had PROOF Weber was NOT COOPER - why have they NOT sat down with me and told me exactly what they have that proves Weber could not be Cooper....

THEY screwed up ROYALLY with 2 different AGENTS on the prints.
AND that ALONE says they NEVER invested in Weber as Cooper.

I got one AGENT on Tape and I got the other on the THREAD. These mistakes indicated they did NOT seriously investigate Weber.

Jo, No one, neither the FBI or anyone else, will EVER be able to prove to you that Duane was not Cooper. Even if Cooper's body was found in the brush near Vancouver/Portland with the rest of the money, you would still claim that Duane was Cooper.

So stop trying to humor the rest of the people on this thread. Jo Weber is just another name for Closed Mind.

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 2, 2012, 12:53 PM
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Jo, No one, neither the FBI or anyone else, will EVER be able to prove to you that Duane was not Cooper. Even if Cooper's body was found in the brush near Vancouver/Portland with the rest of the money, you would still claim that Duane was Cooper.

Jo Weber is just another name for Closed Mind.

Robert99

All the FBI has to do is explain OBVIOUS mistakes. Prove "their" DNA and PROVE Duane's DNA.

DID the samples they take of Duane's DNA - show the PDK markers? Did they find those PDK markers on the items they retrived from me.

How do they know the tie was Coopers - it did NOT show up for several hours and has been shown to witnesses and NOT in a controled circumstances, but by an agent with his own suspect and agenda. Was there a witness to this - someone besides that ONE agent?

Correct their statements regarding Duane's criminal records and miltary background.

Explain why the agent stated Weber only "passsed thru" McNeil and then ONLY after being cornered by me on the phone.

He had previously denied Duane was ever a resident of McNeil and yet the following agent declared the prints used for Weber were the McNeil prints.

How can the FBI use the oldest set of prints on Weber that they denied in the first place instead of the Jefferson File I was REFUSED access to!??? Even if the file was destroyed by Ms at a later date - the FBI would have ordered a copy of the complete file prior to that and it should be on file at the SEATTLE FBI OFFICE...I want to see that complete file.

The FBI admitted that the notes taken by the Missouri FBI when they went to Jefferson to investigate the very first Cooper lead have been lost...or destroyed. Supposedly the written reports would have been sent to the Seattle Office - but NO one knows what happened to them.

Of Course - I do NOT trust the agent who told me this.

Explain Weber's knowledge of the area and since he was a convict - they should be able to tell me what and where he was between 1944 until 1948.

Do the PHOTO recognition - it is now valid and to stop using an old photo that John (Duane's brother) scanned on some old equipment and distorted the pic. It was the 1st picture I had ever seen of Duane as a young man. The other photo he sent at the same time was a full length and it was also distorted in the same way...yet the FBI continues to use this photo of Weber. STUPID! Duane did NOT look anything like that in 1971. Nor at the time the photo was taken.

MY mind is NOT closed to sound investigations and proof of the investigation. MY mind IS CLOSED TO one agent stating one thing and then another stating something entirely different. YET, they are both supposed to be looking at the same file.


Farflung

Oct 2, 2012, 1:47 PM
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Skyjack71 self righteously declares:

I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber.”



Then posts:

“All the FBI has to do is explain OBVIOUS mistakes. Prove "their" DNA and PROVE Duane's DNA.

DID the samples they take of Duane's DNA - show the PDK markers? Did they find those PDK markers on the items they retrived from me.

How do they know the tie was Coopers - it did NOT show up for several hours and has been shown to witnesses and NOT in a controled circumstances, but by an agent with his own suspect and agenda. Was there a witness to this - someone besides that ONE agent?

Correct their statements regarding Duane's criminal records and miltary background.

Explain why the agent stated Weber only "passsed thru" McNeil and then ONLY after being cornered by me on the phone.

He had previously denied Duane was ever a resident of McNeil and yet the following agent declared the prints used for Weber were the McNeil prints.

How can the FBI use the oldest set of prints on Weber that they denied in the first place instead of the Jefferson File I was REFUSED access to!??? Even if the file was destroyed by Ms at a later date - the FBI would have ordered a copy of the complete file prior to that and it should be on file at the SEATTLE FBI OFFICE...I want to see that complete file.

The FBI admitted that the notes taken by the Missouri FBI when they went to Jefferson to investigate the very first Cooper lead have been lost...or destroyed. Supposedly the written reports would have been sent to the Seattle Office - but NO one knows what happened to them.

Of Course - I do NOT trust the agent who told me this.

Explain Weber's knowledge of the area and since he was a convict - they should be able to tell me what and where he was between 1944 until 1948.

Do the PHOTO recognition - it is now valid and to stop using an old photo that John (Duane's brother) scanned on some old equipment and distorted the pic. It was the 1st picture I had ever seen of Duane as a young man. The other photo he sent at the same time was a full length and it was also distorted in the same way...yet the FBI continues to use this photo of Weber. STUPID! Duane did NOT look anything like that in 1971. Nor at the time the photo was taken.

MY mind is NOT closed to sound investigations and proof of the investigation. MY mind IS CLOSED TO one agent stating one thing and then another stating something entirely different. YET, they are both supposed to be looking at the same file.”



Well then, this comment is certainly unpolluted with any mention of Duane Weber, I may have been wrong after all.


BobKnoss

Oct 2, 2012, 2:40 PM
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"If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?
If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life."

Accept what I have said, because everything I said is true. What does not fit into your story is where YOUR story is wrong. Think about it. Remember, you often don't hear what I say, you tend to confuse what you hear. I have no reason to lie, but I have plenty of threats to not tell the truth. I told you what happened because you wanted to know. You can't handle the truth. Think about it carefully. Eventually it won't matter anyway. Nobody really cares now.


mrshutter45

Oct 2, 2012, 3:16 PM
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Bob, for 50th time! nothing you say is TRUE! you have been caught many times!

tell us again about your buddy Dave Haapala? and his Father Bernie who died not to long ago, you know, the Bernie that was old enough to be your Father!!!

you refuse to answer your own questions about your story because you are so caught up in your web that you can't answer them!

would you like a deposition of this?


skyjack71

Oct 2, 2012, 6:44 PM
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NOT ONE PERSON REMARKED ABOUT THIS POST - SO I WILL REPEAT IT - I DO WANT FEED BACK ON IT, BUT FARFLUNG CHOSE TO DIRECT THINGS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I WAS BEING CONSTRUCTIVE AND RELEASING SOMETHING THAT ANYONE INTERESTED IN DISPROVING DUANE WAS COOPER SHOULD HAVE AND WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED!

I WILL BE SCANNING ONLY ONE EVERY FEW DAYS - SCANS ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME AND USING THE COMPUTER IS BECOMING DIFFICULT.


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Only one person to have actually taken the time to see come see me viewed this photo. It has come to my attention I need to let go of some of these things.

I will only show the part of this photo that is necessary to make a point as I have always protected those who Duane knew.

Note: Most pictures taken of Duane after the crime show his hair a sometimes wavy, but sleek with gray hair and with the right product he kept a sleeker look.

This photo was taken in a very public place so he is clowning around, but note his hair. His early pictures prior to 1968 sometimes reflected his hair as being curly and wavy....but none where of high enough quality to make my point.

1. Note the curly hair - he was in a very humidy place at this time and completely surrounded by water....and WA is very humid in November.

2. He had stopped dying his hair and let the gray grow-out and usually very well groomed. This photo caught a part of Weber seldom seen except by those who knew him well.

3. Note the forehead creases and note the hair line appears to be receding even though it was NOT to any extent also this photo is taken by a person much shorter than Weber so the angle is looking up.

4. Note the eye lids! Look carefully and then compare the lids with the composite.

5. He is clowning with a wide eyed expression, but this one photo was the highest quality photo taken of Weber. Even the raising of the eyebrows and a clown factor he could NOT dequise his curly hair nor the shape of the eyelids.

6. We all have some irregularity to our lids - but this ONE is dead on with the composite.

7. I have a prior photo that shows what appears to be a bruise or scar on his forhead, but that photo was poor quality and the mark could have been a smudge of some sort on the photo - so I have never used it.

8. Do any of you see some things noted to the composite artist? Remember his forehead had a slant to it.

9. Let your imagination place the photo of the glasses up on this portion of his head. The wife sent me a picture of her holding these glasses. Remember the stems of the sun glasses where wide and the nose piece of the frame allowed the glasses to sit lower on his nose and face than the regular glasses he wore. The prescript lens he wore with his regular glasses (made his eyes look smaller than they actually were).

10. Also remember the witnesses looked directly at him or from the side or from above him when he was seated. The concepts of the position these individuals view Cooper all have to be taken into acoount.

YOU WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST TO VIEW THE PHOTOS - NOT GOING TO REPEAT THEM - TOO MUCH FOR ME.


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 2, 2012, 6:46 PM
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Maybe this is some one playing around; but I got an e-mail from a person claiming to be a Lawyer representing two of the slandered individuals mentioned in this thread. They wanted the screen shots and PM's mentioned in this thread.

If real, good for them! If not, well, it should be!

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 2, 2012, 7:00 PM
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Maybe this is some one playing around; but I got an e-mail from a person claiming to be a Lawyer representing two of the slandered individuals mentioned in this thread. They wanted the screen shots and PM's mentioned in this thread.

If real, good for them! If not, well, it should be!

Matt

well I guess the TRUTH will finally come out, just as the person in question always claims...the truth lmao


RobertMBlevins

Oct 2, 2012, 7:11 PM
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Christiansen had little to no hair on top. This presents a problem with his fitting the description as possibly being the hijacker. Sure...we have two witnesses claiming Kenny owned a toupee, and for some strange reason back in May of '72 the Seattle FBI started checking out wig and toupee shops as part of the Cooper investigation. (Source: Bremerton Sun article previously posted). Neither really proves Kenny owned one, or even if the hijacker HAD one, although if he were later proven to be The Guy Who Got Away With It, then you could look back and say 'ah-HA!' Until then, it means zip and is a negative on Christiansen being the hijacker.

On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...


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mrshutter45

Oct 2, 2012, 7:26 PM
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Christiansen had little to no hair on top. This presents a problem with his fitting the description as possibly being the hijacker. Sure...we have two witnesses claiming Kenny owned a toupee, and for some strange reason back in May of '72 the Seattle FBI started checking out wig and toupee shops as part of the Cooper investigation. (Source: Bremerton Sun article previously posted). Neither really proves Kenny owned one, or even if the hijacker HAD one, although if he were later proven to be The Guy Who Got Away With It, then you could look back and say 'ah-HA!' Until then, it means zip and is a negative on Christiansen being the hijacker.

On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

they also might of thought he had a wig on to cover his looks more....VS being bald


skyjack71

Oct 2, 2012, 7:53 PM
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On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

You are being jerk! This is one of the few photos that show Duane with the curly hair. My hair has always been the same. I used to be able to keep it sleek and with whatever curl I chose, but all I had to do was get into the humity or rain and I had ringlet and waves. Now I just have old peoples hair - kinky or I sleek it back with a product.

Twist and Twist to make things appear as you want them. Show us a picture of Kenny with his toupee or with hair after age 45.
Curly or Straight - but at 45 Kenny was definitely BALDING very badly.

Another rainy day and the hair is wavy in this one, but just on top.
This picture was taken in the 1980's approx 83.


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skyjack71

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Georger has been absent lately, but thought he might need to be reminded of the photo I labeled OLD GROUCH.

Try the OLD Grouch - I dare you to show a witness this photo and tell her it was an old Cooper. There is something about this photo because Duane was startled by the camera and it caused an EXPRESSION not usually seen by others. Since it was Christmas at home he had NOT GROOMED his hair so it was a little wavy in the photo.

The hair is not the issue in the photo, but OTHER thing are!! George, it is not the fact that he has sideburns and from the angle which is the angle the stewardess viewed Cooper - the ears do not appear to be large like some photos and the expression on his face - well, you know one of the stewardess tried to describe a similar expression the artist was unable to depict.


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georger

Oct 2, 2012, 10:04 PM
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Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...
Gray said marcelled hair - he apparently got this
from some file?


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RobertMBlevins

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Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

Gray said marcelled hair - he apparently got this
from some file?
Seriously...you will have to ask him. That was from the passenger Robert Gregory, the owner of the painting company. (Pg 92 in Skyjack) All I know is that Gray said he was allowed to read the original FBI witness reports. I *think* it was SA Thomas Eng who granted him the access in Seattle. I would email Gray on this because it's a legit question that he might answer.

As far as Gregory's description, it was just one of many that varied greatly, if you believe Gray's interpretation of those reports. I can't say 'cause I haven't read them. His main point in pages 90-93 is about the different descriptions given by these witnesses. This was the biggest surprise (to me) when I read the book. I thought almost everyone agreed on most major points, and that's how they came up with the sketch. Gray casts doubt on all of that. Yeah...someone should ask him to clarify.

This email link is completely open to the public:

dbcoopersjump@gmail.com

Complete quote on Gregory's stuff from Skyjack:

Quote:
"Marcelled," Robert Gregory, the paint company owner, tells the agents who interviewed him. The marcel wave is an old French hairstyle created by hot irons.

As co-owner of a paint company, Gregory pays attention to details, especially colors. Gregory says the hijacker's suit was not brown or black. The color was russet, a reddish brown. And the suit, he tells the feds, had wide lapels. Which was strange. Wide lapels are out of style.

Gregory also noticed the hijacker's hair. It was jet black, and a greasy patent leather shoe polish shine to it. The hair was so dark it could have been dyed. The man's skin was also 'swarthy.' Perhaps he was Mexican-American, or had American Indian blood.

And about how tall?

Not that tall, Gregory tells the feds. About five foot nine...'


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