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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 2, 2012, 6:46 PM
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Maybe this is some one playing around; but I got an e-mail from a person claiming to be a Lawyer representing two of the slandered individuals mentioned in this thread. They wanted the screen shots and PM's mentioned in this thread.

If real, good for them! If not, well, it should be!

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 2, 2012, 7:00 PM
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In reply to:
Maybe this is some one playing around; but I got an e-mail from a person claiming to be a Lawyer representing two of the slandered individuals mentioned in this thread. They wanted the screen shots and PM's mentioned in this thread.

If real, good for them! If not, well, it should be!

Matt

well I guess the TRUTH will finally come out, just as the person in question always claims...the truth lmao


RobertMBlevins

Oct 2, 2012, 7:11 PM
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Christiansen had little to no hair on top. This presents a problem with his fitting the description as possibly being the hijacker. Sure...we have two witnesses claiming Kenny owned a toupee, and for some strange reason back in May of '72 the Seattle FBI started checking out wig and toupee shops as part of the Cooper investigation. (Source: Bremerton Sun article previously posted). Neither really proves Kenny owned one, or even if the hijacker HAD one, although if he were later proven to be The Guy Who Got Away With It, then you could look back and say 'ah-HA!' Until then, it means zip and is a negative on Christiansen being the hijacker.

On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...


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mrshutter45

Oct 2, 2012, 7:26 PM
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Christiansen had little to no hair on top. This presents a problem with his fitting the description as possibly being the hijacker. Sure...we have two witnesses claiming Kenny owned a toupee, and for some strange reason back in May of '72 the Seattle FBI started checking out wig and toupee shops as part of the Cooper investigation. (Source: Bremerton Sun article previously posted). Neither really proves Kenny owned one, or even if the hijacker HAD one, although if he were later proven to be The Guy Who Got Away With It, then you could look back and say 'ah-HA!' Until then, it means zip and is a negative on Christiansen being the hijacker.

On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

they also might of thought he had a wig on to cover his looks more....VS being bald






georger

Oct 2, 2012, 10:04 PM
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Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...
Gray said marcelled hair - he apparently got this
from some file?


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 2, 2012, 10:58 PM
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In reply to:
Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

Gray said marcelled hair - he apparently got this
from some file?
Seriously...you will have to ask him. That was from the passenger Robert Gregory, the owner of the painting company. (Pg 92 in Skyjack) All I know is that Gray said he was allowed to read the original FBI witness reports. I *think* it was SA Thomas Eng who granted him the access in Seattle. I would email Gray on this because it's a legit question that he might answer.

As far as Gregory's description, it was just one of many that varied greatly, if you believe Gray's interpretation of those reports. I can't say 'cause I haven't read them. His main point in pages 90-93 is about the different descriptions given by these witnesses. This was the biggest surprise (to me) when I read the book. I thought almost everyone agreed on most major points, and that's how they came up with the sketch. Gray casts doubt on all of that. Yeah...someone should ask him to clarify.

This email link is completely open to the public:

dbcoopersjump@gmail.com

Complete quote on Gregory's stuff from Skyjack:

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"Marcelled," Robert Gregory, the paint company owner, tells the agents who interviewed him. The marcel wave is an old French hairstyle created by hot irons.

As co-owner of a paint company, Gregory pays attention to details, especially colors. Gregory says the hijacker's suit was not brown or black. The color was russet, a reddish brown. And the suit, he tells the feds, had wide lapels. Which was strange. Wide lapels are out of style.

Gregory also noticed the hijacker's hair. It was jet black, and a greasy patent leather shoe polish shine to it. The hair was so dark it could have been dyed. The man's skin was also 'swarthy.' Perhaps he was Mexican-American, or had American Indian blood.

And about how tall?

Not that tall, Gregory tells the feds. About five foot nine...'


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 2, 2012, 11:37 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

Gray said marcelled hair - he apparently got this
from some file?

Seriously...you will have to ask him. That was from the passenger Robert Gregory, the owner of the painting company. (Pg 92 in Skyjack) All I know is that Gray said he was allowed to read the original FBI witness reports. I *think* it was SA Thomas Eng who granted him the access in Seattle. I would email Gray on this because it's a legit question that he might answer.

As far as Gregory's description, it was just one of many that varied greatly, if you believe Gray's interpretation of those reports. I can't say 'cause I haven't read them. His main point in pages 90-93 is about the different descriptions given by these witnesses. This was the biggest surprise (to me) when I read the book. I thought almost everyone agreed on most major points, and that's how they came up with the sketch. Gray casts doubt on all of that. Yeah...someone should ask him to clarify.

This email link is completely open to the public:

dbcoopersjump@gmail.com

Complete quote on Gregory's stuff from Skyjack:

Quote:
"Marcelled," Robert Gregory, the paint company owner, tells the agents who interviewed him. The marcel wave is an old French hairstyle created by hot irons.

As co-owner of a paint company, Gregory pays attention to details, especially colors. Gregory says the hijacker's suit was not brown or black. The color was russet, a reddish brown. And the suit, he tells the feds, had wide lapels. Which was strange. Wide lapels are out of style.

Gregory also noticed the hijacker's hair. It was jet black, and had a greasy patent leather shoe polish shine to it. The hair was so dark it could have been dyed. The man's skin was also 'swarthy.' Perhaps he was Mexican-American, or had American Indian blood.

And about how tall?

Not that tall, Gregory tells the feds. About five foot nine...'

Skyjack 71 says in part:

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'As far as I know Gray did NOT get this from the FILE, but some of the witnesses he interviewed...'

NO. My best information is that Geoff Gray met in Seattle with Special Agent Thomas Eng and was allowed to view the witness reports.

If he had interviewed the witnesses in the present, he not only would have SAID so....but he would have quoted their comments for the present, as well.

There is none of that in Skyjack for the witnesses quoted between pages 91-93. It's obvious he got that material from another source...like the Seattle FBI.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 3, 2012, 12:32 AM
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I don't usually double-post, but I've been giving thought again to holding a DB Cooper Whatever Thing at the Auburn Avenue Theatre next August.

Now...I know a lot of you out there in ThreadLand gave me the 3rd-degree because I canceled that idea last year for Auburn Days. But here's the deal: ALMOST NO ONE WAS INTERESTED. I put up a webpage on it for six months, and got TWO EMAILS.

That's right. So I canceled the idea. Anyone with a grain of sense would have done the same. However, with the proper support I might be willing to entertain this for the second weekend of August 2013. But I have to see some REAL interest or forget it.

The Ave seats 250, has a huge pull-down screen, and a big stage for panel discussions. AB always fronts the free refreshments at the Snack Counter. Gayla passes them out. Most people think we hired her for the day, when in reality she's The Prez. Not of everything. Just AB. (*laughs*)

One of the things I want to do is collaborate with a couple of different people on a short film that covers everything truly known about the hijacking, and all the known suspects. I mean ALL of them, the ones at WIKI, even if they've been eliminated. I have great equipment and Wondershare. It can be done. I could organize this to actually work, but not with negativity and certainly not without cooperation.

People don't want to hear that Ken Christiansen might be the hijacker, not by itself. They want to hear the entire DB Cooper story from all sides, all suspects, all angles. And that includes the Seattle FBI and their efforts to solve the case.

There are some benefits to participating. For example, core organizers will get a free box seat and lunch at Emerald Downs, a photo op, minor TV on a cable sports channel, and you can see the horses up close and maybe do some betting on the races. The main event is the Pioneer Queen race, held by Auburn Days and the track co-operatively. Anyone on the Auburn Days committee gets the royal treatment. As chairman for the Auburn Theatre event each year, I'm allowed to name a limited number of folks to attend Pioneer Queen.

Trust me, this is a fun thing. I won fourteen bucks above what I paid for parking, although you can park free if you're willing to walk. And walk.

This is something which cannot be done by just one person, or even the AB staff. It is much bigger than me, or anyone in this office. I see it more as a Northwest thing. Smile

There will already be something next year guaranteed to pack the house. AB is working with the Auburn School District on our Young Writers' Project. Three kids will be signed to contracts/royalty agreements for the best three books subbed. Two will be published for Kindle, the first place winner for Kindle and six/nine paperback. Top three will be announced in the media before the event...but not the order of the winners. That will be done at the theatre. Exact time during that Saturday is still not set. Doing something for kids always brings a crowd. And why not? It's a nice thing.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 3, 2012, 1:06 AM)


377  (F 666)

Oct 3, 2012, 2:53 AM
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Jo wrote
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If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?

Perhaps fire fighters or paramedics?

Priests and investment bankers were removed from the list years ago.

Lawyers never were on the list.

I tell my son that he can trust skydivers. I wouldn't say the same thing to my 19 year old daughter.

377


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Farflung

Oct 3, 2012, 8:07 AM
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The ever reliable and honest Skyjack71 asks:

If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?”

As you have pointed out dozens of times, the FBI is incompetent and constantly engaged in cover-ups. So it’s a strange question about law enforcement, considering the source of the question.

Who’s the most trust worthy and heroic in the twenty first century? This guy:

http://jacksonville.com/...ages-lawsuit-against

Yep, this is our new Sgt York, Audie Murphy and Superman all rolled into one. He’s the result of what society has to offer as an example of the finest character, role model and courageous of individual, a nation of 360 million can produce. Gaze deep into the mirror which reflects what America has become.

For this ‘man’ was witness to a middle aged male, sodomizing a pre-teen, orphan in a college shower and sprung into action like any of us would, by going to his office, finishing his work day, then going home to call his father for advice on what to do. Can that much gallantry possibly exist in one person? There must be thousands of explanations for an adult male, savagely raping a child who has no parents. Perhaps he was simply trying to demonstrate what ‘could’ happen if the boy was ever in a bad situation.

Thanks to Mike McQueary, a lightning fast, ten years later, had this crime reported. His father must be a superb example of humanity to suggest his son report this to the college, and let ‘them’ deal with it. Who says the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree? Poppycock.

Imagine the will it must have taken to keep cashing paychecks from that same college for a decade, after seeing what the boss does to little kids. Hero simply isn’t strong enough of a word to describe our new age Super-human. Who on this thread would dare suggest they could even carry McQueary’s ethical gym bag? I thought so.

In answer to the original question of “who can you trust”, I say Mike McQueary, or should it be ‘Sergeant Audie McQueary Superman’? Yes.




Farflung

Oct 3, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Out of skyjack71’s last five comments, Duane Weber is mentioned a repetitive - 24 times; while no mention was made of “other suspects”, which she claimed as a primary concern. Strange, so strange (read: Not).

When will the “other suspects” be discussed? Or is “other suspects” simply a euphemism for Duane Weber, which allows for faux modesty and denial of steering the thread back to the thoroughly covered Duane? Yes (read: Yes).



The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” – Some wicked old, irrelevant dude
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georger

Oct 3, 2012, 3:22 PM
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Out of skyjack71’s last five comments, Duane Weber is mentioned a repetitive - 24 times; while no mention was made of “other suspects”, which she claimed as a primary concern. Strange, so strange (read: Not).

When will the “other suspects” be discussed? Or is “other suspects” simply a euphemism for Duane Weber, which allows for faux modesty and denial of steering the thread back to the thoroughly covered Duane? Yes (read: Yes).



The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” – Some wicked old, irrelevant dude

Wicked. Speed of Duane.jpg (111 KB)
Copy of that goes next to my Betty Page calendar
in the garage.

Laugh


mrshutter45

Oct 3, 2012, 3:43 PM
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You might be surprised to learn that hairstyling mousse only goes back to the mid 1980s. Mousse has been such a cultural presence, whether in original foam form or the now much more preferred gel that it seems to have always existed. In fact, there was an attempt at marketing hair mousse in the 1970s. It was officially called Breck Salon Hair Finishing Formula and it is quite possible that its ungainly name contributed to its rapid disappearance off store shelves and not in the good way. More likely is the fact that the let it all hang out hair styling of the 1970s just wasn't really as conducive to the properties of mousse as the conservatively coiffed milieu of Ronnie Raygun's Mourning in America. Leave it to the folks at L'Oreal to have better timing than the folks at Breck.




RobertMBlevins

Oct 3, 2012, 7:57 PM
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Out of skyjack71’s last five comments, Duane Weber is mentioned a repetitive - 24 times; while no mention was made of “other suspects”, which she claimed as a primary concern. Strange, so strange (read: Not).

When will the “other suspects” be discussed? Or is “other suspects” simply a euphemism for Duane Weber, which allows for faux modesty and denial of steering the thread back to the thoroughly covered Duane? Yes (read: Yes).



The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” – Some wicked old, irrelevant dude

Hate to admit it, but the same goes for Christiansen. That case has been presented. Pictures, testimony, documents available. I can't prove he's the hijacker. If I could, I would have done so already and you would see me on Letterman. So..time to move on to either another possible suspect, or some aspect of the case that actually has to do with the hijacking itself, or any events now surrounding it.

Jo wrote
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If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?

377:
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Perhaps fire fighters or paramedics?

Priests and investment bankers were removed from the list years ago.

Lawyers never were on the list.

I tell my son that he can trust skydivers. I wouldn't say the same thing to my 19 year old daughter.

I like what Steve McQueen said in the film The Getaway:

Quote:
'Who do I trust? (takes out dollar bill) THIS. In God I trust...'

Cool


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 3, 2012, 8:18 PM
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The PM's are out of hand.

The e-mail came to me, period. No you can not see it, no you can not e-mail the person. If true, I will gladly hep them.
If true, a couple of you will be served.
If true, a third party who has been watching you all in this thread will "win".

It is just a mater of truth. If you told a fable, stretched the truth, or insulted or implicated some one in in e FELONY, you made the mistake and will live with it.

If the e-mail is true.

I for one hope it is.

Matt


georger

Oct 3, 2012, 8:38 PM
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Hate to admit it, but the same goes for Christiansen. That case has been presented. Pictures, testimony, documents available. I can't prove he's the hijacker. ,
No but you can keep posting this shit 50 billion
times!

GIVE IT A BREAK!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOV ON.

yOU ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE FILTER SET STAGE
AND BEING GONE ON MY BROWSER-

CAN I DO THAT?

YES.

AH HELL ...

ITS DONE...

BYE BLEVINS, YOU'RE GONE


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 3, 2012, 9:39 PM
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In reply to:
Hate to admit it, but the same goes for Christiansen. That case has been presented. Pictures, testimony, documents available. I can't prove he's the hijacker. ,

No but you can keep posting this shit 50 billion
times!

GIVE IT A BREAK!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOV ON.

yOU ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE FILTER SET STAGE
AND BEING GONE ON MY BROWSER-

CAN I DO THAT?

YES.

AH HELL ...

ITS DONE...

BYE BLEVINS, YOU'RE GONE
PulllleeeeZe...

You want to 'filter' me out so you can't see what I post...and in which case I'll assume you can't respond?

After all the insults you've tossed my way for two years, and a couple of bannings? Yeah, I'm really gonna miss all that. How the heck did I get so lucky? You must be in a gracious mood this week.

I looked in the mirror. Guess I'm still here. You had me going there for a minute. Now you get cat pictures.


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Farflung

Oct 4, 2012, 8:15 AM
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Skyjack71 selectively states:

POO! I presented a NEW PHOTO and discussed that . NOT the SAME old SAME. I was presenting photo never presented before and want opinons on them IT WAS not more of the SAME OLE SAME!”

Farflung quotes self with:

“Out of skyjack71’s last five comments…..”

Was there a “NEW PHOTO” in the last five comments skyjack71 posted? NO, NO, NO, NO! So why quibble on this point? Because that’s what every person has done that has been caught red handed, 100% of the time, in my life-long experience. Deflect, deny, minimize and quibble. There was NO PHOTO associated with four of the five comments at all, so she violated her own demand by virtue of that, and selectively avoided the fact Duane was mentioned over twenty times. It WAS the “SAME old SAME” by bringing up Duane AFTER launching an admonishment how “other suspects” don’t get discussed. As if that was ever the issue hence my challenge. Skyjack71 bemoaned and complained how much time was being spent on Kenny (presumably because she is an expert on efficiency and time management (God help us all)) when “other suspects” aren’t being discussed. Well Duane has been talked about, orders of magnitude more than Kenny, so if there is any self-righteous indignation associated with suspect saturation, is most certainly would be the exclusive property of Duane.

Now it’s time to quibble, because that what these people do. She already deflected by suggesting “other suspects” out of an interest of academic purity, no doubt. Denied that she was steering the conversation back to Duane and attempted to minimize by stating that a new picture was posted.

Apparently the claim of it being acceptable to discuss Duane if a new photo is included, is somehow akin to talking about other suspects, even though it’s still the same hackneyed Duane who has had an inordinate amount of time ‘wasted’ on his background. While simultaneously chilling thread readers to the bone, at the potential nightmare of writhing agony and squandered time, where each and every photo of Duane will now be posted and analyzed to the point where the Zapruder film will appear to have been given a passing glance.

There have been quibblers throughout history, and their numbers have continually risen. I have an issue with Mr. Darwin over this phenomenon, unless some species actually devolve into a self interested group who communicate via passive aggressive speech patterns and denial. You can make all the multi-syllabic, non-diction claims you like, but ultimately the people you are trying hardest to convince of your righteous cause, already know precisely what you are. Quibblers.
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