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RobertMBlevins

Sep 28, 2012, 10:04 PM
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Sailshaw says in part:

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'The travel documents of 1971 were your passport and nothing else was kept of the record of leaving a country and returning to the country...'

This is not necessarily true in ALL countries, although it may have been true for the USA in 1971. Also, you have to wonder what would motivate a person living in Nepal, a country halfway around the world, to suddenly come up with a plan as DB Cooper did, leave two children and a wife behind in Nepal, and go to Portland to implement that plan.

Has anyone questioned whether Sheridan was a smoker? Pictures of him smiling do not show a guy with any sign that he ever smoked cigarettes. Just a thought.

Money never seemed to be a problem for Sheridan Petersen, either. I don't know his financial status, but his bio shows he never lacked for a job anywhere he went. Mostly he taught, or did consulting work, and he did this all over the world. His life, his general nature, and the known facts about him don't really lend themselves to a motivation to hijack a commercial airliner for money. Especially dressed in a suit and using chutes provided by someone else.

We also know Sheridan was an expert parachutist, unlike another (*unnamed*) suspect who hadn't jumped in more than twenty years at the time of the hijacking. It seems unlikely that Peterson would come so unprepared to try such a risky enterprise. And on a completely 'gut' note, this was a guy who was appalled by the violence in Vietnam and once worked with the civil rights movement, according to his bio. This also doesn't lend itself to someone who would threaten innocent people with a supposed bomb to obtain money. His life doesn't sound 'desperate' enough, and he states that the time he spent in Nepal was the happiest of his life.

The few known pictures of Peterson (some attached) show a man with what looks like blue eyes. In any case, they are very pale eyes.


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Farflung

Sep 28, 2012, 11:34 PM
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There’s no evidence that Kenny was a smoker. No pictures or ‘signs’ in his facial expression (whatever the ‘F’ that means). Remember the utter confusion and discourse caused when Lyle sent a picture of his father in WWI regalia? How refined can one’s photo interpretation skills regarding a smoker vs a non-smoker be when they can’t ID their suspect in a photo?

Then there’s the photo of some guy singing in a bar which is astonishingly captioned as ‘Kenny’ when Helen Keller could tell that was not the case.

Next contestant, sign in please.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 28, 2012, 11:49 PM
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There’s no evidence that Kenny was a smoker. No pictures or ‘signs’ in his facial expression (whatever the ‘F’ that means). Remember the utter confusion and discourse caused when Lyle sent a picture of his father in WWI regalia? How refined can one’s photo interpretation skills regarding a smoker vs a non-smoker be when they can’t ID their suspect in a photo?

Then there’s the photo of some guy singing in a bar which is astonishingly captioned as ‘Kenny’ when Helen Keller could tell that was not the case.

Next contestant, sign in please.

Multiple witnesses have testified that Christiansen was a lifelong smoker. In fact, pretty much everyone who knew him throughout his life. Helen Jones even knew the brand - Raleighs - and met with Pete Berg to tell him this. "He used to save the coupons," she said. Picture is of Kenny. This is from Lyle Christiansen. You could ask Helen Keller, but she's dead. Unimpressed

As far as the photos of Kenny's father. Lyle had only sent me (until that time) pictures of Kenny Christiansen. There IS a family resemblence, you know, between Kenny and Dear Old Dad. I posted them up as being Kenny. Didn't really check them that close. After it was discovered that the gear didn't match WW2, I called Lyle. He told me they were of Kenny's father. You're making a mountain out of a molehill...again.

Same question: Does anyone know if Peterson was a smoker? We know Kenny was. This question needs to go to Bruce Smith, who as far as I know, is the only person to interview him recently. Should have been one of the first questions he asked...


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Farflung

Sep 28, 2012, 11:59 PM
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Helen Jones did NOT know the brand; she said he smoked the cigarettes with the coupons. That narrows it down to around 30 brands. Where’s a photo with Kenny smoking or with a cigarette? Your witnesses have proven to be a bunch of Clydesdale drivers and liars. You must have a photo of this chain smoking fiend with a smoldering butt. There must be a picture of Kenny’s butt somewhere, perhaps Bernie would know?


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 12:11 AM
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Helen Jones did NOT know the brand; she said he smoked the cigarettes with the coupons. That narrows it down to around 30 brands. Where’s a photo with Kenny smoking or with a cigarette? Your witnesses have proven to be a bunch of Clydesdale drivers and liars. You must have a photo of this chain smoking fiend with a smoldering butt. There must be a picture of Kenny’s butt somewhere, perhaps Bernie would know?

Uh...yes she did:

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'When I showed up for the shoot at the library, Pete Berg came up to me with a big grin and told me about the crew discovering the hidey-hole in the attic of Christiansen’s old house.

That was surprise enough, but he had another. He said that Helen Jones had driven up to the Rattenbury shoot earlier that morning and tried to find me. Berg had come out and spoken to her, saying that I wasn’t due for a couple of hours, but that he would pass on a message if she wanted.

“I was wrong on something about Kenny,” she said. “He didn’t smoke Camels. When I smoked, that was my brand. He smoked Raleighs. I remember because he saved the coupons...”

Berg didn’t understand the significance of this until I told him about the butts the hijacker had left on board the plane....'

When you have some proof that the witnesses in Blast lied...I'm sure you'll present it, right? Easy for you to sit back and say that when you didn't do the interviews. Bernie Geestman doesn't count. He's a BORN liar.

As far as your claim on the Kenny picture from Shemya, see attached photo. I decided to attach it to this post as well, just in case you missed it.

Back to the same question, which really has nothing to do with Christiansen, but with another suspect: Does anyone know if Sheridan Peterson smoked? This was a known behavior of the hijacker, and a perfectly legit question.


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 12:25 AM
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You want credit for being able to spot some sort of ‘as of yet to be identified’ sign of Sheridan’s “Smoker’s Face”, but can’t tell a picture of Kenny or the difference between a WWI uniform and one from WWII? Everything you have been called out for that was wrong is ALWAYS trivial. She didn’t mean Camels because of the coupons? Wonder why she needed to go think (DB Cooper internet search) about that at home before her epiphany? Get BSed much? Yes.

Dan Cooper comic, Scott talking to Cooper, Northwest Airlines always going on strike…. Wrong, wrong, wrong! Then they become trivial where you insisted on the opposite earlier. Robert99 tells you the photo is NOT Kenny and you argue that it is. Georger tells you that Lyle said he never believed Kenny was Cooper on 920 AM, and rather than crosscheck the data and thank georger, you declare it is crap and it doesn’t matter anyway. What is the point? You fool only yourself.

Good to see you admit that you think that center photo is Kenny. So much for your ability to spot “Smokers Face”. You WILL regret that statement AND the image will become trivial along with all the other crap you have tried to shovel. Look at the photo….just look. Two wimpy creampuffs and a guy with a square jaw and shoulder and different hair line (as in he has one). You are going to eat it on this one also.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 12:38 AM
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You want credit for being able to spot some sort of ‘as of yet to be identified’ sign of Sheridan’s “Smoker’s Face”, but can’t tell a picture of Kenny or the difference between a WWI uniform and one from WWII? Everything you have been called out for that was wrong is ALWAYS trivial. She didn’t mean Camels because of the coupons? Wonder why she needed to go think (DB Cooper internet search) about that at home before her epiphany? Get BSed much? Yes.

Dan Cooper comic, Scott talking to Cooper, Northwest Airlines always going on strike…. Wrong, wrong, wrong! Then they become trivial where you insisted on the opposite earlier. Robert99 tells you the photo is NOT Kenny and you argue that it is. Georger tells you that Lyle said he never believed Kenny was Cooper on 920 AM, and rather than crosscheck the data and thank georger, you declare it is crap and it doesn’t matter anyway. What is the point? You fool only yourself.

Good to see you admit that you think that center photo is Kenny. So much for your ability to spot “Smokers Face”. You WILL regret that statement AND the image will become trivial along with all the other crap you have tried to shovel. Look at the photo….just look. Two wimpy creampuffs and a guy with a square jaw and shoulder and different hair line (as in he has one). You are going to eat it on this one also.

Do you REALLY believe that the investigation into the Cooper case, or even Kenny Christiansen, hasn't had a few mistakes along the way? LOL. Now that is certainly funny. If it were easy, the FBI would have solved the case long ago.

I don't care whether or not Lyle Christiansen may have told a radio station he 'thought' his brother wasn't Cooper clear back in '07. Excuse me, but how the hell would his brother know? Wasn't like Kenny actually told him, or sent him a few of the ranson bills. We didn't even begin investigating Christiansen until two years later. Lyle's opinion is moot, and like any family member who might be related to the hijacker, you cannot depend on their testimony alone. Otherwise, you might as well believe Marla Cooper.

Lyle lives in Minnesota. His brother lived in Washington state and maybe went back to Minnesota once/twice a year at most. Every single thing that Lyle has done (with the exception of that one possible radio interview) is to cooperate with the investigation into his brother. He doesn't know for sure, even today, and neither do I.

You constantly make mountains out of molehills. So what if I accidentally misquoted on Scott going back from the cockpit in the early version of Blast? Big deal. It has nothing to do with Christiansen or whether he was the guy. Not a bit. Just means, like others, that I made a mistake on a detail in the case. Like that's never happened anywhere...Crazy

If you watched Decoded, you also know that your claim on there not being a lot of strikes at NWA is not true. The NWA historian himself said that on the show, saying that people called NWA employees 'Cobra' because they were always going on strike. That can be checked, and I'm surprised you would say that.

I dunno. I will post the collage pic again. I think they are the same guy...Kenny Christiansen. On the really off chance that the center picture isn't Christiansen, he still served on Shemya with Geestman. And the other pictures, some not presented in the book, show the same guy as in the collage. I don't know where you get this non-resemblance stuff. Seems pretty obvious. You just don't like getting called out when you're mistaken.

I didn't say anything about 'Smoker's Face'. I pointed out that Sheridan's dental appearance in a picture didn't look like a smoker's. But that can go either way, depending on how often you had your teeth cleaned. The REAL question is whether he was a smoker at all...a question you dodged completely.


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 12:57 AM
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What I said is 100% accurate- “Northwest Airlines never went on strike”.

Remember you are mister semantics who loves to bend the truth till it screams. You now never cared what Lyle said on the radio? That wasn’t the case when georger first brought it up, you cared a lot. It was only when it became obvious that Lyle did in fact say those things that you sprung the rarely used trivia statement.

If screwing up Captain Scott’s conversation (as if to appear as a lie) is such a small issue, then why did you deny, deflect and blame it on Skipp? Sounds like you were dodging responsibility for fabricating that entire tale. Just like the woman who suddenly remembers the cigarettes as Raleighs, and how she drove at break-neck speed while unsuccessfully trying to suppress her tears and audible cries, savagely jumping a curb and locking up all four wheels to deliver this breathless message. What a complete pile of Captain Scott talking to Cooper again. This is a 40 year old piece of well ass raped history, which has no associated urgency, unless you are a drama queen.

I surprised you’re not following the Sheridan story. It progresses just like the Kenny BS.

Sheridan’s DNA doesn’t match the tie – The tie was put on by Cooper’s girlfriend.

Sheridan was in Nepal—That was a made up alibi.

People can confirm if Sheridan was in Nepal—Sheridan had an extra passport.

See? It never stops, it never stops. Logic meets fantasy and fabrication every time. So you want evidence of Sheridan’s smoking? Here it is—Sheridan was publically anti-tobacco, but smoked as part of his Cooper disguise. See how easy it is to play the DBC game? No facts or sources needed, just create your reality and then embellish and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, snack, repeat, repeat, repeat.


skyjack71

Sep 29, 2012, 12:59 AM
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Perhaps the FAT LADY is going to be singing pretty soon! You Think?

The Cooper Saga is coming to an end VERY soon and it could NOT come soon enough for me - I am tired.

So many twists and turns and so many yrs, but perserverance usually pays off.

No, I haven't put Weber in a chute! But I think the CASE is OVER!


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 1:02 AM
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Farflung says in part:

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'Remember you are mister semantics who loves to bend the truth till it screams. You now never cared what Lyle said on the radio? That wasn’t the case when georger first brought it up, you cared a lot. It was only when it became obvious that Lyle did in fact say those things that you sprung the rarely used trivia statement...'

I challenged the truth of Georger's statement about this alleged interview. To date, he hasn't presented a shred of proof that it happened, and that Lyle was quoted correctly. Neither have you. He also misquoted Geoff Gray and then tried to blame it off on others.

So...what exactly MAKES it true? Because Georger said it? Neither of you have presented proof. And if the NWA historian who went on Decoded says there were a lot of strikes at NWA, then why do you say there were not? Just wondering. According to records, one group of employees or another went on strike at NWA five different times between 1960-1972, and four times between 1960-1970.

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'Would you care to revise your statement, sir...'


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 1:17 AM
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That same idiot historian told you that Dan Cooper comics were in Shemya in 1951, correct? If yes, then he’s impeached as a total douche bag. You might want to use this type of filtration in your research.

Additionally, Northwest Orient Airlines was used as a whipping boy, for being hijacked by Kenny because of all the strikes according to this genius ‘historian’. Well surprise, surprise, surprise…. Mr. History blew it again.

Kenny should have had a diamond cutting, hard-on for the organization which caused all those strikes which would be……. THE APFA! That’s who goes on strike, not the damned airline. No airline has ever gone on strike and the idea is stupid. Did GM or Ford go on strike? Some historian you were talking to, what a total loser. Kenny should have been robbing the APFA HQ and not Northwest. It’s almost like someone is trying to force this story to work, where it simply doesn’t fit. No one in aviation would claim their airline was on strike, never. Except for the monster-tards, but they don’t ‘get it’ about life in general.

You were given the email of the ‘DJ’ and the radio station to check out georger’s story and became weak for some strange reason. If that is true, I would want to know, but then I’m just looking for the truth.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 2:02 AM
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That same idiot historian told you that Dan Cooper comics were in Shemya in 1951, correct? If yes, then he’s impeached as a total douche bag. You might want to use this type of filtration in your research.

Additionally, Northwest Orient Airlines was used as a whipping boy, for being hijacked by Kenny because of all the strikes according to this genius ‘historian’. Well surprise, surprise, surprise…. Mr. History blew it again.

Kenny should have had a diamond cutting, hard-on for the organization which caused all those strikes which would be……. THE APFA! That’s who goes on strike, not the damned airline. No airline has ever gone on strike and the idea is stupid. Did GM or Ford go on strike? Some historian you were talking to, what a total loser. Kenny should have been robbing the APFA HQ and not Northwest. It’s almost like someone is trying to force this story to work, where it simply doesn’t fit. No one in aviation would claim their airline was on strike, never. Except for the monster-tards, but they don’t ‘get it’ about life in general.

You were given the email of the ‘DJ’ and the radio station to check out georger’s story and became weak for some strange reason. If that is true, I would want to know, but then I’m just looking for the truth.

No, the historian at NWA did NOT say he saw the comic at Shemya. He said it was possible that a foreign comic could have ended up there, but he knew nothing about the comic itself. He simply said that flight crews often gathered whatever reading material they had on board and left it in the Day Room for the poor schmucks on Shemya. Of course, we know now from comparing Christiansen's dates of service on Shemya against the dates of publication on the comic that it's very unlikely he saw it there.

As far as the radio interview, it's not MY job to prove other people's allegations unless I am investigating that allegation, i.e. a supposed radio interview from 2007 where Lyle may have said this or that. It's the job of the person making the allegation. That should be obvious. If you were really looking for the truth, you would go to the source, not me.

I never claimed that Kenny could be the hijacker simply because NWA went on strike sometimes. And although you are right that entire airlines don't usually go on strike, you should know that when the mechanics go on strike, or other key groups of employees, that often means the planes remain on the ground. This has happened. And this means nobody works. You are splitting hairs.

Here's an excerpt from one of Kenny's letters regarding one of the NWA strikes:

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'I’ve got a job during the Christmas rush at the Post Office here in Renton, but it’s beginning to look like I’d better be looking for a job a little longer in duration. I was laid off again by Northwest on October 11th due to a strike by the flight engineers. Since I work on the jets, which are grounded, I am now grounded, too. So, I’ve been sitting, waiting for the strike to end, hoping to go back to work.
Now the peanut butter is getting low, so I’ve got to do something drastic, like get another job. All in all, it’s beginning to look like a bleak Christmas for me. I’ve been seriously thinking of taking a free pass on the airline and coming home, but I never dreamed Northwest could afford to let those $8 million dollar jets sit on the ground so long...'


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georger

Sep 29, 2012, 2:26 AM
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As far as the radio interview, it's not MY job to prove other people's allegations unless I am investigating that allegation, i.e. a supposed radio interview from 2007 where Lyle may have said this or that. It's the job of the person making the allegation. That should be obvious. If you were really looking for the truth, you would go to the source, not me.
Well it IS your job. You are the AUTHOR of BLAST -
yes? If a source pops up and says he has iron clad
proof Kenny was in DesMoines on Nov 24, 1971
and supplies you with the names, addresses, and
telephone numbers - then it is your job to confirm or
deny. - No ?

Instead, you called Lyle, we presume (or you said)
and came back with a denial saying 'Lyle doesnt
remember doing such a program', after you earlier
speech: 'Lyle never said any such thing - and I
speak for Lyle because: I have a contract with Lyle'

You cant have your cake and our cake, and Lyle's
cake, and all the cake in the world, and eat it all
too!

This part of what Geoff Gray meant by 'cant be
trusted'.

In other words, get off the grift.

On the other hand, it is good you are so open about
your dishonesty. This puts you in a different
catagory. I suppose your next line will be: "Sure I
lie and distort and misdirect and redirect ... the ends
justify the means!" Dictators all have the same
speech, and come back for more cake the next day
as if nothing happened. All is fair in love and books
and movie scripts - while preaching truth and calling
everyone else liars, on an average IQ no less!

And you WILL have a COMEBACK as you always do,
needing the last word as if that helps.

Pirate


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RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 2:32 AM
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In reply to:
Robert says: As far as the radio interview, it's not MY job to prove other people's allegations unless I am investigating that allegation, i.e. a supposed radio interview from 2007 where Lyle may have said this or that. It's the job of the person making the allegation. That should be obvious. If you were really looking for the truth, you would go to the source, not me.

Georger says:

Well it IS your job. You are the AUTHOR of BLAST -
yes? If a source pops up and says he has iron clad
proof Kenny was in DesMoines on Nov 24, 1971
and supplies you with the names, addresses, and
telephone numbers - then it is your job to confirm or
deny. - No ?

Instead, you called Lyle, we presume (or you said)
and came back with a denial saying 'Lyle doesnt
remember doing such a program', after you earlier
speech: 'Lyle never said any such thing - and I
speak for Lyle because: I have a contract with Lyle'

You cant have your cake and our cake, and Lyle's
cake, and all the cake in the world, and eat it all
too!

This part of what Geoff Gray meant by 'cant be
trusted'.

In other words, get off the grift.

On the other hand, it is good you are so open about
your dishonesty. This puts you in a different
catagory. I suppose your next line will be: "Sure I
lie and distort and misdirect and redirect ... the ends
justify the means!" Dictators all have the same
speech, and come back for more cake the next day
as if nothing happened. All is fair in love and books
and movie scripts - while preaching truth and calling
everyone else liars, on an average IQ no less!
No...it is NOT my job to prove your allegations with your (LOL) 'ironclad proof'. That is your job. I can't believe you are still going with that phony Geoff Gray quote, as well. Yada yada yada. You never provided any proof of that either...Crazy

I'll say this much. You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. I'm not angry at you about those comments you posted. I just think you're funny sometimes.


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sailshaw

Sep 29, 2012, 7:31 AM
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Blevins;

You say:
Has anyone questioned whether Sheridan was a smoker? Pictures of him smiling do not show a guy with any sign that he ever smoked cigarettes. Just a thought.
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My answer is yes a heavy smoker when at my home for a month and ten years before NORJACK. He agreed to smoke outside in the stairwell to keep the smoke outside my home.

Could he hurt someone? He was a machine gunner in the Marines during WWII on Iwa Jima. He could kill then and the threat on the skyjacked plane was only a threat. The bomb was a fake and he did the caper just for his own way of "beating the system" and the thrill of the perfect crime and to show he was clever enough to do it and to write his great American novel of how it was done (he was an English major in College and they usually have a desire to write the great American novel). I think his whole Nepal trip was to make the perfect alibi as far away from the scene of the crime as possible.

The planning that went into NORJACK was complete and over a long period of time to gather the necessary information for the caper. He thought of everything except DNA which was not used in those days by the FBI. That is why it is necessary that the FBI check out the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters. The DNA has been preserved under the stamps and envelope flaps for all these years. This is the last opportunity for the FBI to solve the case and so easy to do at a cost of less than $1,000 for the lab work. Sheridan learned in the Marines that only a well planned operation can be a success.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

PS Sheridan is the only suspect with the needed experience and right height (6ft 1") and Olive (not a sun tan) complexion.


mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 7:50 AM
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well, I still have the "X" chute question......

How many jumpers here are comfortable jumping without a reserve chute?

would you do this exact jump without a reserve chute?

was Cooper that stupid by taking the chute with the "X" and not knowing? he did destroy the good one?


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mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 9:15 AM
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alen G Cook wrote:
Thanks, Sluggo, and I hope that your health is on the mend.

A brief comment to make regarding the upcoming book about Kenny Christianson as D.B. Cooper. I don't want to make any statements about Skipp Porteus abilities, because I consider him a friend, a colleague in the business, and a competent professional. However, I long-ago discounted any connections between Kenny Christianson and D.B. Cooper. To make that assumption is a huge leap based on no tangible evidence. Kenny Christianson's involvement would require real scrutiny of a potential "insider's job." The airline world is a small community, especially back in 1971. Airline crews were on the move and ran across other company employees on a continual basis. The real D.B. Cooper would not possibly hope to get away clean if he worked with other employees of the same company. [Remember: Alice Hancock, Florence Schafner and Tina Mucklow were flying this route during November 1971 and they all were eye-witnesses].

The second thing is this: I was speaking on the air with radio host Mike Fitzsimmons (920 AM Spokane, WA) in November 2007, discussing the Cooper case. Mike got Lyle Christianson on the show and we debated about his brother being Cooper. I asked Lyle if Kenny ever made a confession to ANYONE about being Cooper. Lyle said no. Apparently, Lyle based his sole belief on his brother being the one because Kenny muttered that "he had a secret to devulge," He just couldn't say what the secret was. The real D.B. Cooper would have made a confession to someone. That is the basis for beginning an investigation. Additionally, Lyle made it pretty clear during our debate that he thought it "would be neat to have a movie made about his brother being D.B. Cooper."

Several months later during a chat with Skipp Porteus, Skipp told me that Kenny Christianson's secret was probably that he was gay. Even a cursory examination of Geoff Gray's article from October 2007, leaves you with the impression that Kenny Christianson was involved with young men (maybe even under-aged young men.


Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 10:35 AM
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RobertMBlevins in typical succinct and clear diction wrote regarding the source of the Dan Cooper comic:

“No, the historian at NWA did NOT say he saw the comic at Shemya. He said it was possible that a foreign comic could have ended up there……”

It’s all so clear now with this fine mesh research. It was “possible” for a “foreign” (presume not the same for domestic?) comic to have been at Shemya. Very different from the previous claim that there was Dan Cooper comics in the day room on Shemya. Where did that crap come from? The person who told you that must be ridiculed and taunted, for being such an epic ass munch. Since it was NOT the NWA historian, then who was it? Name of the source must be published so the overdue punishment can be delivered. Who made you humiliate and debase yourself RobertMBlevins? You must want revenge for the way you were used like a piece of comfort station tissue, and thrown on the floor as a final insult. He used you as nothing more than some sort of tool for his own perverse jollies.

You must remember that Marla used the same comic, except she accurately represented a time window in which it could have been in her uncle’s room. She was being honest and accurate as a LIVING, first hand, witness to the existence of the Dan Cooper comic. Much better than some second hand recall of some ‘cigarette coupons’ as evidence. This in comparison to the PUBLISHED and VERIFIED statement that Dan Cooper comics were on Shemya in 1951, where Kenny worked, which turns out to be one of many “fluid inaccuracies” (read BS).

Who told you about Dan Cooper comics on Shemya? Name this loser.
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georger

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No...it is NOT my job to prove your allegations with your (LOL) 'ironclad proof'. That is your job. I can't believe you are still going with that phony Geoff Gray quote, as well. Yada yada yada. You never provided any proof of that either...Crazy.
You cant handle the truth.


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RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 11:31 AM
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In reply to:
alen G Cook wrote:
Thanks, Sluggo, and I hope that your health is on the mend.

A brief comment to make regarding the upcoming book about Kenny Christianson as D.B. Cooper. I don't want to make any statements about Skipp Porteus abilities, because I consider him a friend, a colleague in the business, and a competent professional. However, I long-ago discounted any connections between Kenny Christianson and D.B. Cooper. To make that assumption is a huge leap based on no tangible evidence. Kenny Christianson's involvement would require real scrutiny of a potential "insider's job." The airline world is a small community, especially back in 1971. Airline crews were on the move and ran across other company employees on a continual basis. The real D.B. Cooper would not possibly hope to get away clean if he worked with other employees of the same company. [Remember: Alice Hancock, Florence Schafner and Tina Mucklow were flying this route during November 1971 and they all were eye-witnesses].

The second thing is this: I was speaking on the air with radio host Mike Fitzsimmons (920 AM Spokane, WA) in November 2007, discussing the Cooper case. Mike got Lyle Christianson on the show and we debated about his brother being Cooper. I asked Lyle if Kenny ever made a confession to ANYONE about being Cooper. Lyle said no. Apparently, Lyle based his sole belief on his brother being the one because Kenny muttered that "he had a secret to devulge," He just couldn't say what the secret was. The real D.B. Cooper would have made a confession to someone. That is the basis for beginning an investigation. Additionally, Lyle made it pretty clear during our debate that he thought it "would be neat to have a movie made about his brother being D.B. Cooper."

Several months later during a chat with Skipp Porteus, Skipp told me that Kenny Christianson's secret was probably that he was gay. Even a cursory examination of Geoff Gray's article from October 2007, leaves you with the impression that Kenny Christianson was involved with young men (maybe even under-aged young men.

Reading all of the above, a couple of things come to mind. BTW: Does this come from Gray, or was it from Galen Cook? Sounds like Cook. Let's get this straight. The same Galen Cook who swallowed the Janet Fable hook, line, and sinker for the Utah Standard Examiner? The same guy who thought the Cooper money was in a box up in Vancouver, BC? Same guy who used earlier pictures of his suspect to compare to the sketch but can't come up with one around the actual YEAR the hijacking occurred? Just want to establish that.

First, Lyle didn't say on the radio he didn't believe his brother was Cooper. Georger claimed that, but it turns out not to be true, especially if you are going on the statement I quoted above. I'm sure the old man (Lyle) wished that his brother WAS Cooper. No one has been able to prove that as of yet. Lyle would have no idea whether his brother was the hijacker. Kenny didn't say he was, and Lyle only saw Kenny once or twice a year. The only thing Lyle REALLY did was put other people onto investigating his brother.

Testimony from 'Mac' (Brian McWilliams, who lived off and on with Christiansen) in the Gray article states that Christiansen sometimes hung out with ex-Army buddies, but McWilliams also makes a point that HE was not approached by Kenny in an untoward way, and says Kenny helped young men occasionally by giving them money and a temporary place to stay. Nothing is mentioned about Kenny having sex with underage boys...which by the way...in Washington can get you many years in prison.

If Geoff Gray was supposedly so convinced that Christiansen was NOT Cooper...then why is a great deal of his book dedicated to the very possibility he WAS? In fact, the first chapter is all about Porteous, Gray, etc. When I first read Skyjack, I was surprised that Gray went on about Christiansen as much as he did, because Gray knew nothing about the investigation into Christiansen by AB and Porteous. This is because when plans for Blast went forward, Porteous cut Gray out of the information loop. BTW: This was the only thing Porteous did where I disagreed, because he did not tell me about it. Had I known, I would have contacted Gray and kept him updated while he was writing his book. When I met Gray last year, one of the first things I told him was that it was too bad we didn't interview the witnesses together, and I apologized for Porteous cutting him out of the loop. That's why I gave Gray the flash drive.

On the matter of whether Christiansen would have been recognized by other employees: Most of the people Gray interviewed who worked with KC hardly remembered him. Same thing when Porteous checked. Same thing when I checked, although I only spoke to two people, while Gray and Porteous spoke to a few more than that. Also, NWA used to keep the same crews on the same routes a lot, and Kenny worked the overseas Orient routes, while Flight 305 was domestic. In addition, we know Kenny only worked a couple of flights a month, on average, and that's when he was actually working. We also know that Christiansen did two things just after the hijacking that may or may not matter: He changed the way he dressed, and he stopped attending union meetings.

When Flo Schaffner examined photos of Kenny, she thought he might be a match, but she never said she recognized him as an employee. In fact, some of the people Kenny worked with responded with 'Kenny Who?' when interviewed by Gray. This is detailed in Gray's magazine article extensively. The NWA historian who was interviewed for Decoded (Bruce Kitt) admitted it was very possible that an employee could go undetected by others because of the way the crews worked. Kitt is the President of the NWA History Center in Minneapolis.

In Blast, there is a picture of the famous comic. This is what it says beneath the picture:

Quote:
'This comic was linked by the F.B.I. as a possible clue to the choice of name used by the hijacker. Nothing has been proven on it one way or another. Even if the hijacker was inspired by the comic to use the name ‘Dan Cooper,’ unless the comic can be linked to a specific suspect, it remains only an interesting speculation...'

Was the 'big secret' that Kenny was gay? NO. Christiansen's family has stated they all knew he was gay by the time he was sixteen years old. This is from Lyle Christiansen, and KC's nephew Bruce Christiansen. It wasn't a secret.

I can't prove KC was the hijacker. No way. But I wonder how much more BS I have to listen to from Farflung (said NWA never had strikes when there were four between 1960-1970), and Georger, (quotes Lyle wrongly from a radio interview). Farflung tries to split hairs by saying an entire airline never goes on strike. True enough, but if the flight engineers refuse to work, planes stay on the ground and NO ONE works. Same thing.

Georger likes to quote Gray telling him that I'm 'completely untrustworthy' etc. The truth is that Gray never said that. I met Gray only once, and I trusted him with every single file, document, and picture we had on Christiansen. He never had to trust me on anything, while I gave him everything and asked for nothing in return.

Later, when I confronted Georger on this supposed quote, he tried to blame it off on someone else.


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mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 11:40 AM
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I was trying to find the interview but came up empty, I found this from Sluggo's site, the comments at the bottom is what I posted, don't know if they are really who they say they are since they are just comments!

just thought I would post it.

http://sluggoblog.n467us.com/...nd-another-book.aspx


Farflung

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So ummm….. Who said there were Dan Cooper comics on Shemya? Don’t you want this person punished and disgraced, as he so richly deserves?

Give his name, he obviously lied or suffered some massive head trauma in the past. Do you want other ineffective authors to fall victim to the same person? I think not.

As with the strikes, NONE of them were by Northwest Airlines, but mechanics, pilots and flight attendant unions. Kenny should have been angered by the unions and NOT Northwest Airlines. The association with Northwest being the blame for strikes is lame and desperate, while becoming pathetic once the relationships are finally pointed out. Just like the Dan Cooper comics NOT being on Shemya. Someone either blew it (as a source) or someone just made all this up out of whole cloth. Which is it?

I would imagine RobertMBlevins would want to contact 920 AM, and investigate the interview using his unflappable expertise and find out if Lyle said he never thought Kenny was Cooper. Imagine all the endless gloating RobertMBlevins could wage against georger! How many times has RobertMBlevins claimed to be the FIRST person to suggest Cooper walked backwards down the stairs? Thousands and thousands? Here’s some winning lottery numbers: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,…… see what a clever boy? If any of those numbers come up, it will be ME who suggested them first. Gosh I’m cool.


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 1:00 PM
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Later, when I confronted Georger on this supposed quote, he tried to blame it off on someone else.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe
Your attempts to deny and re-interpret what I said...
It is what it is. It is what it was. And you are what
you are ... as evidence in two years of your posts in
this thread. A legend in his own mind -

Coming from the fool who told us there were 'optical
illusions in an airplane cabin' trying to change
physics to squeak Christiansen in ...

Nice try Marilyn. Keep playing the Fool.

Give Mike Fitzsimmons a call - he will set you
straight! Laugh


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RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 1:05 PM
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Farflung: Your questions have been asked and answered already with the exception of one:

'Who said the Cooper comic was on Shemya?'

Guilty as charged. Early on in the investigation, I made a real leap of logic that turned out NOT to be logical. After an NWA historian told me about flight crews coming from Canada, Europe, and the US to refuel on Shemya...and that these same crews often gathered up whatever reading material was on board and dropped it in the Day Room...I postulated that maybe Kenny saw the comic there. Especially after he says comics were REALLY popular with the boys on Shemya.

This turned out to be wrong, since I found out later that the date of the first Cooper comic and the dates Kenny served on Shemya probably didn't overlap. That's why such an assumption doesn't appear in Blast.

The REAL problem with the comic in linking it to Cooper is twofold:

1) It was a limited-distribution comic, only available in parts of Canada and in Europe.

2) Dan Cooper is a rather common name. Now, if the comic character's name had been 'Bartholomew Streiziak,' and the hijacker had chosen that name...then maybe you could assume the hijacker was thinking of the comic when he gave a name for his boarding pass. As far as Marla Cooper and her claim that good old Uncle LD had them posted on his wall? Her sister, mother, and brother all refused to confirm that...even though all three of them were at the house in Sisters. Oregon on that particular Thanksgiving. So you have to take her claim on that with a grain of salt.

You're still splitting hairs on the NWA strikes. The point is that when the NWA planes sat on the ground, the NWA employees did not work, ergo they got no money. Pretty simple concept there, Farflung.

As far as the 920AM radio interview, all I have to do is quote from (Cook's?) statement about it a few posts back. Show me where it says Lyle said he didn't think his brother was the hijacker. Face it, Georger made that up...along with his phony quote by Geoff Gray. I asked for proof on those statements, and he couldn't provide any. Seems reasonable to me.

Georger says in part:

Quote:
'Your attempts to deny and re-interpret what I said... It is what it is. It is what it was.

Coming from the fool who told us there were 'optical
illusions in an airplane cabin' trying to change
physics to squeak Christiansen in ...

Nice try Marilyn. Keep playing the Fool.

Give Mike Fitzsimmons a call he will set you
straight!'

If you're going to quote me, get it right. I said it 'might be difficult to judge someone's true height within the confines of an airliner cabin, rather than out in the open...' Besides, unless you are ready to call Geoff Gray a liar, he says that according to the FBI witness reports he was allowed to view, the height of the hijacker ranged from maybe five-nine to over six feet, depending on who was being interviewed. So what's the truth? I haven't a clue. The stews, the witnesses, agreed on only a few points. In fact, all three stews gave three different results from the FBI's facial recognition workbook. Gray also said that. Is he lying? I think you're just pissed off because I called you out on your phony quote by Gray, and the fact that Lyle said no such thing in a radio interview from five years ago. As if Lyle would actually KNOW if his brother was the hijacker anyway. Crazy

'It is what it is?' Well, what exactly IS it? LOL. You are the one who quoted the Fitzsimmons interview. You should call him. Do you think I am here to jump at your every unsupported claim? I think not.

And BTW, my name is actually Robert.


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mrshutter45

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Later, when I confronted Georger on this supposed quote, he tried to blame it off on someone else.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Your attempts to deny and re-interpret what I said...
It is what it is. It is what it was.

Coming from the fool who told us there were 'optical
illusions in an airplane cabin' trying to change
physics to squeak Christiansen in ...

Nice try Marilyn. Keep playing the Fool.

Give Mike Fitzsimmons a call - he will set you
straight! Laugh
is it possible we have this wrong about the high heels, maybe KC was wearing them, this could explain why they had to look up at him CoolWinkSly


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