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skyjack71

Sep 28, 2012, 9:53 AM
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National Personnel Records Center. Dated Sept 20, 2001.
I obtained this one AFTER I confronted the FBI.

The letter states;

Thank you for contacting the National Personnel Records Center. We are pleased to enclose the NA Forms 13038, Certification of Military Service. Since the military record did not contain a copy of a Report of Separation, the enclosed NA Forms 13038 are funrnished in lieu of the separation documents and will verify military service.

I requested additional information and WAS denied because I was NOT listed as a beneficiary. Hell I was only 3 yrs old when he was in the Army - but, the file was CLASSIFIED! The officer would give me NO information other than that I was NOT listed as a BENEFICIARY.

What I obtained was what Doug P. of US News and World Reports obtained - 2 yrs before. There WAS no breaking the barrier wall down...even by his widow...who personally went to the Veterans Office and made the second request. WHY is Duane's Army Separation Record NOT available to the WIDOW and EVEN THE DATE WAS left blank on the first paper that was obtained. I guess the records are just TOO old to access, but we had NO problem accessing the NAVY records...right down to the details.


Robert99

Sep 28, 2012, 10:55 AM
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In reply to:
National Personnel Records Center. Dated Sept 20, 2001.
I obtained this one AFTER I confronted the FBI.

The letter states;

Thank you for contacting the National Personnel Records Center. We are pleased to enclose the NA Forms 13038, Certification of Military Service. Since the military record did not contain a copy of a Report of Separation, the enclosed NA Forms 13038 are funrnished in lieu of the separation documents and will verify military service.

I requested additional information and WAS denied because I was NOT listed as a beneficiary. Hell I was only 3 yrs old when he was in the Army - but, the file was CLASSIFIED! The officer would give me NO information other than that I was NOT listed as a BENEFICIARY.

What I obtained was what Doug P. of US News and World Reports obtained - 2 yrs before. There WAS no breaking the barrier wall down...even by his widow...who personally went to the Veterans Office and made the second request. WHY is Duane's Army Separation Record NOT available to the WIDOW and EVEN THE DATE WAS left blank on the first paper that was obtained. I guess the records are just TOO old to access, but we had NO problem accessing the NAVY records...right down to the details.

Jo, Speaking as someone who has done my fair share of paper shuffling in the military, after hearing the story about Duane's reportedly receiving an Undesirable Discharge (which precludes any further military service, except maybe in the local stockade) from the Navy, assuming he was in the Navy in the first place, and then enlisting in the Army and also receiving an Undesirable Discharge from that organization, assuming that he was in it in the first place, I am not at all surprised to hear that there are some irregularities in his military paperwork.

I imagine that both the Army, Navy, and any other federal organization that had contact with Duane weber, would just like to forget that they had ever heard of him.

Based on the information that you have provided, there is no expectation that Duane would be eligible for any benefits as a veteran, so the Veterans Administration would have absolutely minimal records on him, or maybe none at all.

You are barking up the wrong tree when you try to get detailed military service records on Duane from the VA, assuming any exist in the first place.

Robert99


georger

Sep 28, 2012, 12:59 PM
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In reply to:
Georger:

Do you think that Sheridan in creating the "Perfect Alibi" could have thought up a better story than in Nepal in a mud hut and delivering his own child?

I dont know that it is an alibi - maybe he was there
or he wasn't, doing what he claims. That is a factual
issue which can be checked out (rather easily I
think).

Moreover, I have been to this area, and I have
friends who have spent considerable time in this
and related areas of Nepal and Tibet; so I know this
is not the closed remote informationless area some
picture it as being -

What I see in Petey is a person 'with lots of stories'
and a fertile imagination, idealistic, so his Nepal
story may be but one of a number of similar stories.
Either Petey was in Nepal at the time he claims, or
he wasn't. If he was there he was a known person -
for certain. He would be remembered and there
would be documents subtantiating his travel to and
presence in Nepal. That is the reality of this matter.

In the 1960s-70s it took considerable time and
planning to even enter this area - you didn't just
drop into this area from space. The usual route was
through northern India and travel permits were
required - a lot of paperwork and some luck.

If you know, tell me the route Petey took ... to enter
Nepal or Tibet ? Nobody travels by themselves in
these areas or escapes notice ... and survives.
This area is very tribal and people want to know who
you are and what you are doing, once your presence
is known. And your survival, especially longterm
living, literally depended on a network of people
and political conditions which often shifted. All of
that, just for starters - in the 60s and 70s...

His story is not impossible but would require a
network of support (in and out) and documentation
in one form or another, in the 1960s-70s.


(This post was edited by georger on Sep 28, 2012, 1:23 PM)


georger

Sep 28, 2012, 1:52 PM
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In reply to:
What's different about your work is you have
developed a model, and from that model you search
for suspects. Be well. MeyerLouie

Why cant you or SafecrackingPLF state and share
the model here?

And if you cant or wont why are you posting here?

It began with Safecracking backing Duane Weber,
as the most likely (modeled) candidate. It ends now
in silence.

The Shadow knows!

Crazy

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By model, I mean Safe's TTLOL model -- based on Occam Razor's principle/the Law of Parsimony -- the simplest solution is usually the correct one, based on proposed subjective probabilities, his "Cracking the Safe" problem that proposes his Discovery Axiom and Money Axiom; his 7 proposed solutions, his 4 premises/quadrants, his 3 proposed paradoxes -- these are all the ingredients he's assembled to define and explain his model. Like it or not, it's a model. Disagreeing with the premise, development, and conclusion of a model does not mean it doesn't exist.
MeyerLouie
Well, all models of anything are subject to tests of
completness, suffiency, consistency, et cetera ... if
they are going to have any application in the real
world; and Safe's suppositions, and his whole model
fails to follow Occam's Razor!

The test of any model of the type you are
advertising, is predictability. I cant see that Safe's
model passes that test insofar as predicting " new
facts of the Cooper case", or even predicting the
known facts of the case.

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/kk3n/ockham/Ockham.htm

Hell I would be happy if I could get this webpage to
just load and work, minute to minute, Occam to
Occam, !

Maybe Farflung will have something to say - ?

I cant see thsat Safe's supposition are any less
subjective and random than anyone elses, so far as
the Cooper case is concerned.

You say I am being unfair, throw dung against the
wall. Maybe you state what specifically Im missing -
in concrete terms ?

A simple statement of Safe's suppositions and
axioms and conclusions/paradoxes ... would be a
good place for you and Safe to start! We have been
waiting years for that, alone! Pending that, the
whole thing is just a game you play. Anotehr Cooper
Tease.


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skyjack71

Sep 28, 2012, 3:57 PM
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Regarding the Military Record:

REPEAT: What part of this DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

We have the detailed records from the NAVY with a bad conduct discharge - we have a very detailed record.

I have the letters HIS Mother received in reply to letters sent by her and their attorney trying to get the charges DROPPED from the NAVY.

SOMEHOW Duane was able to get into the ARMY, but when they found out about the Bad Conduct from the NAVY - he was then discharged from the ARMY as an UNDESIRABLE....but none of the papers on the Army are available just the fact he was there and originally had an open end date for discharge - ONLY after 2001 was there a close date added.

I was NOT trying to get BENEFITS. I was investigating my husbands past, but YOU WILL DO ANYTHING you can do OR SAY to make that enquiry look BAD!

I believe EVERYONE HERE GETS THIS but YOU! I had NO expectation of BENEFITS and WAS NOT APPLYING FOR ANY. JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT MY HUSBANDS PAST.

YOU ARE A REAL JERK and as FAR as I am CONCERN - on the LOW end of the HUMAN RACE. YOU continue to throw out INSULTING ASSUMPTIONS to make it sound like I was trying to get BENEFITS and that Duane was SOME KIND OF ANIMAL. You are the ANIMAL here - you continue to attack honest hard work to obtain facts about the past of Duane L. Weber.

WHY DON'T you spend this kind of TIME MAKING ENQUIRIES into your OWN SUSPECT instead of trying to drive your opinion regarding Weber into the ground?[

This is the 3rd to 5th time you have attacked me on this very same thing. IN FACT every time I have mention the records!

BELOW IS PARTS OF YOUR POST!

Robbie stated:
In reply to:
I imagine that both the Army, Navy, and any other federal organization that had contact with Duane weber, would just like to forget that they had ever heard of him.

JO STATES:
What do you have on your suspect?

Robbie stated:
In reply to:
Based on the information that you have provided, there is no expectation that Duane would be eligible for any benefits as a veteran, so the Veterans Administration would have absolutely minimal records on him, or maybe none at all.

JO STATES:
Have I said ONE WORD about trying to get benefits?

Robbie stated:
In reply to:
You are barking up the wrong tree when you try to get detailed military service records on Duane from the VA, assuming any exist in the first place.

JO STATES:
DO you ACTUALLY READ the post you reply to?


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Sep 28, 2012, 4:09 PM)


smokin99

Sep 28, 2012, 4:30 PM
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You are right. Nepal, not Tibet. But I didn't research Petersen through a magazine article, but through his own words, a bio he provided when he ran for a board position in the Windsor Unified School District in California. An excerpt...note dates given, jobs worked, and possible witnesses. (Highlights in bold are mine)

Lol....I give up. Follow closely.
What is the title of of the "bio"?

fwiw...The website that you linked has been posted on dropzone several times in reference to Sheridan Peterson. The "article" that Peterson wrote for the Sonoma County League of Women Voters is his autobiography. It is titled "Home Coming". http://www.smartvoter.org/...terson_s/paper3.html.

I see your point, but I also see the logic in 377's take on it.

However, my point was and remains - facts may be inconvenient or otherwise irrelevant to whatever point you are trying to make, but, jeez, if you're gonna put something out there that can be so easily checked, then check it. Otherwise just say you don't know.
It makes it so much easier and might give you more credibility when concerning facts that do matter. Now, go outside and play. SmileSmile


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sailshaw

Sep 28, 2012, 5:48 PM
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Georger:

You say:
He would be remembered and there
would be documents subtantiating his travel to and
presence in Nepal. That is the reality of this matter.

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The travel documents of 1971 were your passport and nothing else was kept of the record of leaving a country and returning to the country. So, if Sheridan wanted to show no record of leaving Nepal and returning after the DB Caper, he could get a replacement passport and travel to Portland and back on it with the only written record being on the replacement passport. He then chucks the replacement and produces the original for the FBI to look at showing he never left Nepal to do the DB Caper.

Today, that would not work as we have many computers that track when you leave and return using a passport. An alternate plan would have been to travel on a fake passport (easy to get in Asia for a few bucks).

Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.com

PS1 Checking out the 40 year old alibi would be certainly more difficult than just checking the DNA from the four letters and their stamps/envelope flaps (the ones sent to the news papers right after NORJACK).

PS2 Big Jim Whittaker is a friend of mine and I could set up a lunch with he and Bruce Smith at my YC to discuss Nepal and Sheridan's story and the ends and outs of back in 1971.


georger

Sep 28, 2012, 8:51 PM
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In reply to:
Georger:

You say:
He would be remembered and there
would be documents subtantiating his travel to and
presence in Nepal. That is the reality of this matter.

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The travel documents of 1971 were your passport and nothing else was kept of the record of leaving a country and returning to the country. So, if Sheridan wanted to show no record of leaving Nepal and returning after the DB Caper, he could get a replacement passport and travel to Portland and back on it with the only written record being on the replacement passport. He then chucks the replacement and produces the original for the FBI to look at showing he never left Nepal to do the DB Caper.

... just like going to Cassey's and buying a six pack.
(with a sheet over yourself for months!)

Have it your way - you will anyway, despite the facts
and experience of others (not to mention Nepal changing its border arrangements in 1971!).

Cooper promoters always stand alone, against the
world.


(This post was edited by georger on Sep 28, 2012, 10:45 PM)


Robert99

Sep 28, 2012, 9:05 PM
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In reply to:
Regarding the Military Record:

REPEAT: What part of this DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

We have the detailed records from the NAVY with a bad conduct discharge - we have a very detailed record.

I have the letters HIS Mother received in reply to letters sent by her and their attorney trying to get the charges DROPPED from the NAVY.

SOMEHOW Duane was able to get into the ARMY, but when they found out about the Bad Conduct from the NAVY - he was then discharged from the ARMY as an UNDESIRABLE....but none of the papers on the Army are available just the fact he was there and originally had an open end date for discharge - ONLY after 2001 was there a close date added.

I was NOT trying to get BENEFITS. I was investigating my husbands past, but YOU WILL DO ANYTHING you can do OR SAY to make that enquiry look BAD!

I believe EVERYONE HERE GETS THIS but YOU! I had NO expectation of BENEFITS and WAS NOT APPLYING FOR ANY. JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT MY HUSBANDS PAST.

YOU ARE A REAL JERK and as FAR as I am CONCERN - on the LOW end of the HUMAN RACE. YOU continue to throw out INSULTING ASSUMPTIONS to make it sound like I was trying to get BENEFITS and that Duane was SOME KIND OF ANIMAL. You are the ANIMAL here - you continue to attack honest hard work to obtain facts about the past of Duane L. Weber.

WHY DON'T you spend this kind of TIME MAKING ENQUIRIES into your OWN SUSPECT instead of trying to drive your opinion regarding Weber into the ground?[

This is the 3rd to 5th time you have attacked me on this very same thing. IN FACT every time I have mention the records!

BELOW IS PARTS OF YOUR POST!

Robbie stated:
In reply to:
I imagine that both the Army, Navy, and any other federal organization that had contact with Duane weber, would just like to forget that they had ever heard of him.

JO STATES:
What do you have on your suspect?

Robbie stated:
In reply to:
Based on the information that you have provided, there is no expectation that Duane would be eligible for any benefits as a veteran, so the Veterans Administration would have absolutely minimal records on him, or maybe none at all.

JO STATES:
Have I said ONE WORD about trying to get benefits?

Robbie stated:
In reply to:
You are barking up the wrong tree when you try to get detailed military service records on Duane from the VA, assuming any exist in the first place.

JO STATES:
DO you ACTUALLY READ the post you reply to?

Jo, YOU need to read both your posts and the posts you are replying to.

I did NOT say that you were trying to get any benefits from the Veterans Administration.

You apparently do not understand that the Veterans Administration and the military services are completely different organizations. If a veteran does not make any claims with the Veterans Administration, then the VA may not have any paperwork on him.

Since Duane's enlistment in the Army was fraudulent, and he was soon discovered and booted out of the Army, then there may be only very limited paperwork on him. And that paperwork would probably be at the military records facility in St. Louis, Missouri.

It is probably a legal question if Duane was actually in the Army in the first place in view of his fraud.

But don't blame the FBI, VA, Army, or any other governmental agency for a problem that Duane brought upon himself.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Sep 28, 2012, 10:04 PM
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Sailshaw says in part:

Quote:
'The travel documents of 1971 were your passport and nothing else was kept of the record of leaving a country and returning to the country...'

This is not necessarily true in ALL countries, although it may have been true for the USA in 1971. Also, you have to wonder what would motivate a person living in Nepal, a country halfway around the world, to suddenly come up with a plan as DB Cooper did, leave two children and a wife behind in Nepal, and go to Portland to implement that plan.

Has anyone questioned whether Sheridan was a smoker? Pictures of him smiling do not show a guy with any sign that he ever smoked cigarettes. Just a thought.

Money never seemed to be a problem for Sheridan Petersen, either. I don't know his financial status, but his bio shows he never lacked for a job anywhere he went. Mostly he taught, or did consulting work, and he did this all over the world. His life, his general nature, and the known facts about him don't really lend themselves to a motivation to hijack a commercial airliner for money. Especially dressed in a suit and using chutes provided by someone else.

We also know Sheridan was an expert parachutist, unlike another (*unnamed*) suspect who hadn't jumped in more than twenty years at the time of the hijacking. It seems unlikely that Peterson would come so unprepared to try such a risky enterprise. And on a completely 'gut' note, this was a guy who was appalled by the violence in Vietnam and once worked with the civil rights movement, according to his bio. This also doesn't lend itself to someone who would threaten innocent people with a supposed bomb to obtain money. His life doesn't sound 'desperate' enough, and he states that the time he spent in Nepal was the happiest of his life.

The few known pictures of Peterson (some attached) show a man with what looks like blue eyes. In any case, they are very pale eyes.


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Farflung

Sep 28, 2012, 11:34 PM
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There’s no evidence that Kenny was a smoker. No pictures or ‘signs’ in his facial expression (whatever the ‘F’ that means). Remember the utter confusion and discourse caused when Lyle sent a picture of his father in WWI regalia? How refined can one’s photo interpretation skills regarding a smoker vs a non-smoker be when they can’t ID their suspect in a photo?

Then there’s the photo of some guy singing in a bar which is astonishingly captioned as ‘Kenny’ when Helen Keller could tell that was not the case.

Next contestant, sign in please.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 28, 2012, 11:49 PM
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In reply to:
There’s no evidence that Kenny was a smoker. No pictures or ‘signs’ in his facial expression (whatever the ‘F’ that means). Remember the utter confusion and discourse caused when Lyle sent a picture of his father in WWI regalia? How refined can one’s photo interpretation skills regarding a smoker vs a non-smoker be when they can’t ID their suspect in a photo?

Then there’s the photo of some guy singing in a bar which is astonishingly captioned as ‘Kenny’ when Helen Keller could tell that was not the case.

Next contestant, sign in please.

Multiple witnesses have testified that Christiansen was a lifelong smoker. In fact, pretty much everyone who knew him throughout his life. Helen Jones even knew the brand - Raleighs - and met with Pete Berg to tell him this. "He used to save the coupons," she said. Picture is of Kenny. This is from Lyle Christiansen. You could ask Helen Keller, but she's dead. Unimpressed

As far as the photos of Kenny's father. Lyle had only sent me (until that time) pictures of Kenny Christiansen. There IS a family resemblence, you know, between Kenny and Dear Old Dad. I posted them up as being Kenny. Didn't really check them that close. After it was discovered that the gear didn't match WW2, I called Lyle. He told me they were of Kenny's father. You're making a mountain out of a molehill...again.

Same question: Does anyone know if Peterson was a smoker? We know Kenny was. This question needs to go to Bruce Smith, who as far as I know, is the only person to interview him recently. Should have been one of the first questions he asked...


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Farflung

Sep 28, 2012, 11:59 PM
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Helen Jones did NOT know the brand; she said he smoked the cigarettes with the coupons. That narrows it down to around 30 brands. Where’s a photo with Kenny smoking or with a cigarette? Your witnesses have proven to be a bunch of Clydesdale drivers and liars. You must have a photo of this chain smoking fiend with a smoldering butt. There must be a picture of Kenny’s butt somewhere, perhaps Bernie would know?


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 12:11 AM
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Helen Jones did NOT know the brand; she said he smoked the cigarettes with the coupons. That narrows it down to around 30 brands. Where’s a photo with Kenny smoking or with a cigarette? Your witnesses have proven to be a bunch of Clydesdale drivers and liars. You must have a photo of this chain smoking fiend with a smoldering butt. There must be a picture of Kenny’s butt somewhere, perhaps Bernie would know?

Uh...yes she did:

Quote:
'When I showed up for the shoot at the library, Pete Berg came up to me with a big grin and told me about the crew discovering the hidey-hole in the attic of Christiansen’s old house.

That was surprise enough, but he had another. He said that Helen Jones had driven up to the Rattenbury shoot earlier that morning and tried to find me. Berg had come out and spoken to her, saying that I wasn’t due for a couple of hours, but that he would pass on a message if she wanted.

“I was wrong on something about Kenny,” she said. “He didn’t smoke Camels. When I smoked, that was my brand. He smoked Raleighs. I remember because he saved the coupons...”

Berg didn’t understand the significance of this until I told him about the butts the hijacker had left on board the plane....'

When you have some proof that the witnesses in Blast lied...I'm sure you'll present it, right? Easy for you to sit back and say that when you didn't do the interviews. Bernie Geestman doesn't count. He's a BORN liar.

As far as your claim on the Kenny picture from Shemya, see attached photo. I decided to attach it to this post as well, just in case you missed it.

Back to the same question, which really has nothing to do with Christiansen, but with another suspect: Does anyone know if Sheridan Peterson smoked? This was a known behavior of the hijacker, and a perfectly legit question.


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 12:25 AM
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You want credit for being able to spot some sort of ‘as of yet to be identified’ sign of Sheridan’s “Smoker’s Face”, but can’t tell a picture of Kenny or the difference between a WWI uniform and one from WWII? Everything you have been called out for that was wrong is ALWAYS trivial. She didn’t mean Camels because of the coupons? Wonder why she needed to go think (DB Cooper internet search) about that at home before her epiphany? Get BSed much? Yes.

Dan Cooper comic, Scott talking to Cooper, Northwest Airlines always going on strike…. Wrong, wrong, wrong! Then they become trivial where you insisted on the opposite earlier. Robert99 tells you the photo is NOT Kenny and you argue that it is. Georger tells you that Lyle said he never believed Kenny was Cooper on 920 AM, and rather than crosscheck the data and thank georger, you declare it is crap and it doesn’t matter anyway. What is the point? You fool only yourself.

Good to see you admit that you think that center photo is Kenny. So much for your ability to spot “Smokers Face”. You WILL regret that statement AND the image will become trivial along with all the other crap you have tried to shovel. Look at the photo….just look. Two wimpy creampuffs and a guy with a square jaw and shoulder and different hair line (as in he has one). You are going to eat it on this one also.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 12:38 AM
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You want credit for being able to spot some sort of ‘as of yet to be identified’ sign of Sheridan’s “Smoker’s Face”, but can’t tell a picture of Kenny or the difference between a WWI uniform and one from WWII? Everything you have been called out for that was wrong is ALWAYS trivial. She didn’t mean Camels because of the coupons? Wonder why she needed to go think (DB Cooper internet search) about that at home before her epiphany? Get BSed much? Yes.

Dan Cooper comic, Scott talking to Cooper, Northwest Airlines always going on strike…. Wrong, wrong, wrong! Then they become trivial where you insisted on the opposite earlier. Robert99 tells you the photo is NOT Kenny and you argue that it is. Georger tells you that Lyle said he never believed Kenny was Cooper on 920 AM, and rather than crosscheck the data and thank georger, you declare it is crap and it doesn’t matter anyway. What is the point? You fool only yourself.

Good to see you admit that you think that center photo is Kenny. So much for your ability to spot “Smokers Face”. You WILL regret that statement AND the image will become trivial along with all the other crap you have tried to shovel. Look at the photo….just look. Two wimpy creampuffs and a guy with a square jaw and shoulder and different hair line (as in he has one). You are going to eat it on this one also.

Do you REALLY believe that the investigation into the Cooper case, or even Kenny Christiansen, hasn't had a few mistakes along the way? LOL. Now that is certainly funny. If it were easy, the FBI would have solved the case long ago.

I don't care whether or not Lyle Christiansen may have told a radio station he 'thought' his brother wasn't Cooper clear back in '07. Excuse me, but how the hell would his brother know? Wasn't like Kenny actually told him, or sent him a few of the ranson bills. We didn't even begin investigating Christiansen until two years later. Lyle's opinion is moot, and like any family member who might be related to the hijacker, you cannot depend on their testimony alone. Otherwise, you might as well believe Marla Cooper.

Lyle lives in Minnesota. His brother lived in Washington state and maybe went back to Minnesota once/twice a year at most. Every single thing that Lyle has done (with the exception of that one possible radio interview) is to cooperate with the investigation into his brother. He doesn't know for sure, even today, and neither do I.

You constantly make mountains out of molehills. So what if I accidentally misquoted on Scott going back from the cockpit in the early version of Blast? Big deal. It has nothing to do with Christiansen or whether he was the guy. Not a bit. Just means, like others, that I made a mistake on a detail in the case. Like that's never happened anywhere...Crazy

If you watched Decoded, you also know that your claim on there not being a lot of strikes at NWA is not true. The NWA historian himself said that on the show, saying that people called NWA employees 'Cobra' because they were always going on strike. That can be checked, and I'm surprised you would say that.

I dunno. I will post the collage pic again. I think they are the same guy...Kenny Christiansen. On the really off chance that the center picture isn't Christiansen, he still served on Shemya with Geestman. And the other pictures, some not presented in the book, show the same guy as in the collage. I don't know where you get this non-resemblance stuff. Seems pretty obvious. You just don't like getting called out when you're mistaken.

I didn't say anything about 'Smoker's Face'. I pointed out that Sheridan's dental appearance in a picture didn't look like a smoker's. But that can go either way, depending on how often you had your teeth cleaned. The REAL question is whether he was a smoker at all...a question you dodged completely.


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 12:57 AM
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What I said is 100% accurate- “Northwest Airlines never went on strike”.

Remember you are mister semantics who loves to bend the truth till it screams. You now never cared what Lyle said on the radio? That wasn’t the case when georger first brought it up, you cared a lot. It was only when it became obvious that Lyle did in fact say those things that you sprung the rarely used trivia statement.

If screwing up Captain Scott’s conversation (as if to appear as a lie) is such a small issue, then why did you deny, deflect and blame it on Skipp? Sounds like you were dodging responsibility for fabricating that entire tale. Just like the woman who suddenly remembers the cigarettes as Raleighs, and how she drove at break-neck speed while unsuccessfully trying to suppress her tears and audible cries, savagely jumping a curb and locking up all four wheels to deliver this breathless message. What a complete pile of Captain Scott talking to Cooper again. This is a 40 year old piece of well ass raped history, which has no associated urgency, unless you are a drama queen.

I surprised you’re not following the Sheridan story. It progresses just like the Kenny BS.

Sheridan’s DNA doesn’t match the tie – The tie was put on by Cooper’s girlfriend.

Sheridan was in Nepal—That was a made up alibi.

People can confirm if Sheridan was in Nepal—Sheridan had an extra passport.

See? It never stops, it never stops. Logic meets fantasy and fabrication every time. So you want evidence of Sheridan’s smoking? Here it is—Sheridan was publically anti-tobacco, but smoked as part of his Cooper disguise. See how easy it is to play the DBC game? No facts or sources needed, just create your reality and then embellish and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, snack, repeat, repeat, repeat.


skyjack71

Sep 29, 2012, 12:59 AM
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Perhaps the FAT LADY is going to be singing pretty soon! You Think?

The Cooper Saga is coming to an end VERY soon and it could NOT come soon enough for me - I am tired.

So many twists and turns and so many yrs, but perserverance usually pays off.

No, I haven't put Weber in a chute! But I think the CASE is OVER!


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 1:02 AM
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Farflung says in part:

Quote:
'Remember you are mister semantics who loves to bend the truth till it screams. You now never cared what Lyle said on the radio? That wasn’t the case when georger first brought it up, you cared a lot. It was only when it became obvious that Lyle did in fact say those things that you sprung the rarely used trivia statement...'

I challenged the truth of Georger's statement about this alleged interview. To date, he hasn't presented a shred of proof that it happened, and that Lyle was quoted correctly. Neither have you. He also misquoted Geoff Gray and then tried to blame it off on others.

So...what exactly MAKES it true? Because Georger said it? Neither of you have presented proof. And if the NWA historian who went on Decoded says there were a lot of strikes at NWA, then why do you say there were not? Just wondering. According to records, one group of employees or another went on strike at NWA five different times between 1960-1972, and four times between 1960-1970.

Quote:
'Would you care to revise your statement, sir...'


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Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 1:17 AM
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That same idiot historian told you that Dan Cooper comics were in Shemya in 1951, correct? If yes, then he’s impeached as a total douche bag. You might want to use this type of filtration in your research.

Additionally, Northwest Orient Airlines was used as a whipping boy, for being hijacked by Kenny because of all the strikes according to this genius ‘historian’. Well surprise, surprise, surprise…. Mr. History blew it again.

Kenny should have had a diamond cutting, hard-on for the organization which caused all those strikes which would be……. THE APFA! That’s who goes on strike, not the damned airline. No airline has ever gone on strike and the idea is stupid. Did GM or Ford go on strike? Some historian you were talking to, what a total loser. Kenny should have been robbing the APFA HQ and not Northwest. It’s almost like someone is trying to force this story to work, where it simply doesn’t fit. No one in aviation would claim their airline was on strike, never. Except for the monster-tards, but they don’t ‘get it’ about life in general.

You were given the email of the ‘DJ’ and the radio station to check out georger’s story and became weak for some strange reason. If that is true, I would want to know, but then I’m just looking for the truth.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 2:02 AM
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In reply to:
That same idiot historian told you that Dan Cooper comics were in Shemya in 1951, correct? If yes, then he’s impeached as a total douche bag. You might want to use this type of filtration in your research.

Additionally, Northwest Orient Airlines was used as a whipping boy, for being hijacked by Kenny because of all the strikes according to this genius ‘historian’. Well surprise, surprise, surprise…. Mr. History blew it again.

Kenny should have had a diamond cutting, hard-on for the organization which caused all those strikes which would be……. THE APFA! That’s who goes on strike, not the damned airline. No airline has ever gone on strike and the idea is stupid. Did GM or Ford go on strike? Some historian you were talking to, what a total loser. Kenny should have been robbing the APFA HQ and not Northwest. It’s almost like someone is trying to force this story to work, where it simply doesn’t fit. No one in aviation would claim their airline was on strike, never. Except for the monster-tards, but they don’t ‘get it’ about life in general.

You were given the email of the ‘DJ’ and the radio station to check out georger’s story and became weak for some strange reason. If that is true, I would want to know, but then I’m just looking for the truth.

No, the historian at NWA did NOT say he saw the comic at Shemya. He said it was possible that a foreign comic could have ended up there, but he knew nothing about the comic itself. He simply said that flight crews often gathered whatever reading material they had on board and left it in the Day Room for the poor schmucks on Shemya. Of course, we know now from comparing Christiansen's dates of service on Shemya against the dates of publication on the comic that it's very unlikely he saw it there.

As far as the radio interview, it's not MY job to prove other people's allegations unless I am investigating that allegation, i.e. a supposed radio interview from 2007 where Lyle may have said this or that. It's the job of the person making the allegation. That should be obvious. If you were really looking for the truth, you would go to the source, not me.

I never claimed that Kenny could be the hijacker simply because NWA went on strike sometimes. And although you are right that entire airlines don't usually go on strike, you should know that when the mechanics go on strike, or other key groups of employees, that often means the planes remain on the ground. This has happened. And this means nobody works. You are splitting hairs.

Here's an excerpt from one of Kenny's letters regarding one of the NWA strikes:

Quote:
'I’ve got a job during the Christmas rush at the Post Office here in Renton, but it’s beginning to look like I’d better be looking for a job a little longer in duration. I was laid off again by Northwest on October 11th due to a strike by the flight engineers. Since I work on the jets, which are grounded, I am now grounded, too. So, I’ve been sitting, waiting for the strike to end, hoping to go back to work.
Now the peanut butter is getting low, so I’ve got to do something drastic, like get another job. All in all, it’s beginning to look like a bleak Christmas for me. I’ve been seriously thinking of taking a free pass on the airline and coming home, but I never dreamed Northwest could afford to let those $8 million dollar jets sit on the ground so long...'


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georger

Sep 29, 2012, 2:26 AM
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As far as the radio interview, it's not MY job to prove other people's allegations unless I am investigating that allegation, i.e. a supposed radio interview from 2007 where Lyle may have said this or that. It's the job of the person making the allegation. That should be obvious. If you were really looking for the truth, you would go to the source, not me.
Well it IS your job. You are the AUTHOR of BLAST -
yes? If a source pops up and says he has iron clad
proof Kenny was in DesMoines on Nov 24, 1971
and supplies you with the names, addresses, and
telephone numbers - then it is your job to confirm or
deny. - No ?

Instead, you called Lyle, we presume (or you said)
and came back with a denial saying 'Lyle doesnt
remember doing such a program', after you earlier
speech: 'Lyle never said any such thing - and I
speak for Lyle because: I have a contract with Lyle'

You cant have your cake and our cake, and Lyle's
cake, and all the cake in the world, and eat it all
too!

This part of what Geoff Gray meant by 'cant be
trusted'.

In other words, get off the grift.

On the other hand, it is good you are so open about
your dishonesty. This puts you in a different
catagory. I suppose your next line will be: "Sure I
lie and distort and misdirect and redirect ... the ends
justify the means!" Dictators all have the same
speech, and come back for more cake the next day
as if nothing happened. All is fair in love and books
and movie scripts - while preaching truth and calling
everyone else liars, on an average IQ no less!

And you WILL have a COMEBACK as you always do,
needing the last word as if that helps.

Pirate


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RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 2:32 AM
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In reply to:
Robert says: As far as the radio interview, it's not MY job to prove other people's allegations unless I am investigating that allegation, i.e. a supposed radio interview from 2007 where Lyle may have said this or that. It's the job of the person making the allegation. That should be obvious. If you were really looking for the truth, you would go to the source, not me.

Georger says:

Well it IS your job. You are the AUTHOR of BLAST -
yes? If a source pops up and says he has iron clad
proof Kenny was in DesMoines on Nov 24, 1971
and supplies you with the names, addresses, and
telephone numbers - then it is your job to confirm or
deny. - No ?

Instead, you called Lyle, we presume (or you said)
and came back with a denial saying 'Lyle doesnt
remember doing such a program', after you earlier
speech: 'Lyle never said any such thing - and I
speak for Lyle because: I have a contract with Lyle'

You cant have your cake and our cake, and Lyle's
cake, and all the cake in the world, and eat it all
too!

This part of what Geoff Gray meant by 'cant be
trusted'.

In other words, get off the grift.

On the other hand, it is good you are so open about
your dishonesty. This puts you in a different
catagory. I suppose your next line will be: "Sure I
lie and distort and misdirect and redirect ... the ends
justify the means!" Dictators all have the same
speech, and come back for more cake the next day
as if nothing happened. All is fair in love and books
and movie scripts - while preaching truth and calling
everyone else liars, on an average IQ no less!
No...it is NOT my job to prove your allegations with your (LOL) 'ironclad proof'. That is your job. I can't believe you are still going with that phony Geoff Gray quote, as well. Yada yada yada. You never provided any proof of that either...Crazy

I'll say this much. You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. I'm not angry at you about those comments you posted. I just think you're funny sometimes.


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sailshaw

Sep 29, 2012, 7:31 AM
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Blevins;

You say:
Has anyone questioned whether Sheridan was a smoker? Pictures of him smiling do not show a guy with any sign that he ever smoked cigarettes. Just a thought.
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My answer is yes a heavy smoker when at my home for a month and ten years before NORJACK. He agreed to smoke outside in the stairwell to keep the smoke outside my home.

Could he hurt someone? He was a machine gunner in the Marines during WWII on Iwa Jima. He could kill then and the threat on the skyjacked plane was only a threat. The bomb was a fake and he did the caper just for his own way of "beating the system" and the thrill of the perfect crime and to show he was clever enough to do it and to write his great American novel of how it was done (he was an English major in College and they usually have a desire to write the great American novel). I think his whole Nepal trip was to make the perfect alibi as far away from the scene of the crime as possible.

The planning that went into NORJACK was complete and over a long period of time to gather the necessary information for the caper. He thought of everything except DNA which was not used in those days by the FBI. That is why it is necessary that the FBI check out the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters. The DNA has been preserved under the stamps and envelope flaps for all these years. This is the last opportunity for the FBI to solve the case and so easy to do at a cost of less than $1,000 for the lab work. Sheridan learned in the Marines that only a well planned operation can be a success.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

PS Sheridan is the only suspect with the needed experience and right height (6ft 1") and Olive (not a sun tan) complexion.


mrshutter45

Sep 29, 2012, 7:50 AM
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well, I still have the "X" chute question......

How many jumpers here are comfortable jumping without a reserve chute?

would you do this exact jump without a reserve chute?

was Cooper that stupid by taking the chute with the "X" and not knowing? he did destroy the good one?


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