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skyjack71

Jul 9, 2012, 4:29 PM
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So if you don't want to order this book through Amazon. com, maybe a friend of yours will do so and you can then repay them. Or perhaps a book store in your area will order it for you (and probably charge you more also).

Thank You _ I never thought about having someone else order it. I would like to get the 1st edition - that way not much has been altered or changed. The way the world is today - you buy a book and read it and then a couple of yrs later you pick up what is supposedly the same book and things ahve been sugar coated or stated differently.

Such as Grey wanted to know what he could change in the Paper-back to make me happier about the image he portrayed of me as a bar-pick-up and hick with a kerchief. I was very angry about this and I still am - evidently. My family is very unhappy about it also...none of us ever dreamed anyone would take my KY twang and make it fit the image of a slut and country hick....or that anyone would consider this a Comedy!

I may not have the intellect and degrees others in my family have, but I am not what he depicted.


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skyjack71

Jul 9, 2012, 7:52 PM
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I chose you to make this reply to tonight, but it is for eveyone of you who read this and who have followed this saga thru the yrs.

What I have tried to do is stay with the basics and MATTHEW CLINE has been instrumental in this, without attacking me. Thank you, Matt for shifting thru all of the trivial stuff. By your making me focus on what transpired in the very beginning has been a breath of fresh air.

What I told the FBI in the beginning and then entered JT who kept telling me NONE of this existed - nothing I was describing existed and that I kept changing the story. What I exchanged with Doug and what I wrote to him was before all of the media stuff, but JT distorted the things I kept trying my best to relate. His tactics basically was to undermine the locations.

Even to this day he will not admit that my little MT or hill existed and insists I claimed we were on the OR side all the way to Portland - he made me feel like I had lost my mind. He would twist and turn every word I said....I actually thought I was loosing my mind at that time - the stress caused me go every which way.

After the story broke the only objective by most was to discredit me and I do NOT know why. A lot of people got to me and filled my head with things that I was able to connect to Duane's strange life. Knoss came into it - and that was the worst part of it all...it made a mockery of me...I don't blame the FBI for ceasing any investigation into Weber at that time.

Then along came Carr who was no help at all - he just furthered the discreditations. He just would NOT look at the simple facts....no one really heard me until the last few days.

Perhaps the facts and dates are ALL just co-incidental, but that is what I am trying my best to do is keep to what I know and not what the theories have been. To dismiss the things told to me by others who only wanted to fire the Cooper Saga up. Duane's past was NOT beyond dispute. I, like the FBI and others looked beyond the very obvious for answers.

The last few day not being attacked by Knoss or JT and with individuals who are logically trying to help me find some answers has lifted this heavy load off of my shoulders.

We have gone back to where I started in 1996 - the memories and the things Duane did relate to me about his life....the things he told me and my memories and information Duane's family related to me and the things Doug Pasternac uncovered. Without Doug I would not have what Documentation I do have about Duane's criminal records and military records.

All of this goes right back to the time frames I felt needed to be disputed and discussed and investigated - NO one did that until NOW. 17 yrs later individuals are seriously looking at the simple answers and helping me to find my way through all of this.

Most individual know I compose my posts right here on the thread and then go back and edit out stuff that didn't need to be said and I make mistakes in dates and other details doing this, but that is the only way to do it - for me.


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skyjack71

Jul 9, 2012, 8:39 PM
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Jo, What do you mean when you call Duane a "CO"?

Conscientious Objectors - those who did NOT want to fight a war...you are aware of the CO camps?

Robert Blevins lives in WA and yet he denied the Bonneville Camp (this was not a CO camp). Why he could be oblivious to this I do not know...perhaps he did not read the thread prior to his making his entrance to promote his book.

This has been a LONG long long trip for me, but hopefully those of you who actually are able to sift through all of the garbage can understand why I believe Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. Even the CO's and the Black Jumpers has enlightened many of you...

It seemed like NO one was hearing me on this - I tried to explore it on the thread, but NO one wanted any part of it nor did the FBI agents understand what I was trying to say.

I still maintain the truth is so SIMPLE no one wants to believe it. Was Duane actually the one on the ground or was he the jumper? I believe from what I know and what he told me he had to be the jumper. When he made the comment about a certain location being where Cooper walked out of the woods, my reply was "How would you know that". He knew he had to back step and I think the comment he made about maybe his being the man on the ground was his way of doing that.

This was the ONLY time COOPER was mentioned on that entire trip!
Why? Cooper was not discuss even on the anniversaries and basically in the South - no new media coverage. If it was - he made sure I didn't see the paper as he did in 1980 when the money was found. He had purchased a new car after the trip to WA and I could not understand why. He said he got a good trade and had the money for the balance. This was an Oldsmobile cutlass - he bought this car in Ft. Collins or in Denver.

The 1980 announcement is made about the found money and the story is on the front page (a story I did not get to read). After he left CO he immediately bought a new car, but on credit...the Mercury. He went back to the South - and I am sure he checked to see how much the media was running articles on Cooper. He felt safe and came home for my daughters graduation and then left...very quickly. The moving truck I drove to AL with my daughter and a young man who was going to hike the Apalachicola...he relieved me of some of the driving and stayed with us for about a month until it was time to put him on a bus to meet the rest of his group.


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skyjack71

Jul 9, 2012, 9:03 PM
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Doesn't mean anything but the FBI has just released files regarding the monitoring of
a woman who worked for the Civil Right Commission in Memphis.

This was taken from the informant file of the late civil rights era photographer Ernest Withers who died in 2007.

All released under the court order to the Commercial Appeal which sued the FBI to unravel Withers' secret life as a "racial" informant.

His code number was ME 338-R was one of 5 paid informants.

Who were the others.
Did Sheridan Peterson know Withers? They were both journalist.

Robert99

Jul 9, 2012, 9:10 PM
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Jo, What do you mean when you call Duane a "CO"?


Conscientious Objectors - those who did NOT want to fight a war...you are aware of the CO camps?

Robert Blevins lives in WA and yet he denied the Bonneville Camp (this was not a CO camp). Why he could be oblivious to this I do not know...perhaps he did not read the thread prior to his making his entrance to promote his book.

This has been a LONG long long trip for me, but hopefully those of you who actually are able to sift through all of the garbage can understand why I believe Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. Even the CO's and the Black Jumpers has enlightened many of you...

It seemed like NO one was hearing me on this - I tried to explore it on the thread, but NO one wanted any part of it nor did the FBI agents understand what I was trying to say.

I still maintain the truth is so SIMPLE no one wants to believe it. Was Duane actually the one on the ground or was he the jumper? I believe from what I know and what he told me he had to be the jumper. When he made the comment about a certain location being where Cooper walked out of the woods, my reply was "How would you know that". He knew he had to back step and I think the comment he made about maybe his being the man on the ground was his way of doing that.

This was the ONLY time COOPER was mentioned on that entire trip!
Why? Cooper was not discuss even on the anniversaries and basically in the South - no new media coverage. If it was - he made sure I didn't see the paper as he did in 1980 when the money was found. He had purchased a new car after the trip to WA and I could not understand why. He said he got a good trade and had the money for the balance. This was an Oldsmobile cutlass - he bought this car in Ft. Collins or in Denver.

The 1980 announcement is made about the found money and the story is on the front page (a story I did not get to read). After he left CO he immediately bought a new car, but on credit...the Mercury. He went back to the South - and I am sure he checked to see how much the media was running articles on Cooper. He felt safe and came home for my daughters graduation and then left...very quickly. The moving truck I drove to AL with my daughter and a young man who was going to hike the Apalachicola...he relieved me of some of the driving and stayed with us for about a month until it was time to put him on a bus to meet the rest of his group.
Jo,

My dictionary defines a "conscientious objector" as "a person who for reasons of conscience objects to serving in the armed forces."

And you are saying that Duane Weber, the same person who stole the identities of others in order to serve in the military, was a conscientious objector?

Isn't the above a contradiction of terms?

And you are also saying that there was something known as "conscientious objector camps"?

If an individual could establish a "conscientious objector" status with the draft people, then the individual did alternate service of some kind.

Some COs served as combat medics in the military and I know of at least one instant where such a combat medic won the Medal of Honor during WW2.

Basically, these COs objected only to having to shoot at other people. They were shot at as much as your regular grunts and were killed about as frequently.

The only thing that I have heard of that could possibly be called a "Conscientious Objector Camp" is more commonly known as "prison".

Robert99

mrshutter45

Jul 9, 2012, 9:40 PM
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http://articles.baltimoresun.com/...rvice-conscience-war

might be possible.

Robert99

Jul 9, 2012, 10:29 PM
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What was the purpose of this camp? What activities did the 26 COs engage in? Was it a work camp or a punishment camp?

skyjack71

Jul 9, 2012, 10:39 PM
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Robert99 go back to school!

I did NOT say Duane stole identies to serve - I said nothing that resembled that. He was the extreme opposite of a CO he wanted to serve, but he was a "bad" boy and ended up in prison and the parents had "friends" and made arrangements for him - people who thought they could help him.
It was in a CO camp - but they also dealt with WAYWARD young men since it was a religion based organization How the family arranged all of this I do not know...but it did happen.

Check it out yourself!

Conscientious Objectors Camps
LOOK it UP! 1940's. They were all over the place.

Go to: Civilian Public Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and learn something. I don't know how to put the site address on here, but everyone else knows what I am talking about.


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skyjack71

Jul 9, 2012, 11:07 PM
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These are sites Snowmman brought to the attention of the thread and pictures I had seen before in 1984 in the book Duane brought home - stating that there WAS one of him but someone tore it out. The book disappeared and I never saw it again.

A friend had also pull these pics for me prior to my ever getting a computer in 2000. I assume he got them off the same sites I found later and that Snowmman put out for the thread. Agent Carr showed NO interest even when I presented pics of Duane that looked like one of the young men. None of the pic are of high quality.

I have explained before about trying to check these guys out.
2 I got no where because the names were so common..such as Max Miller.

One guy had 2 different names attached to his image in 2 different photos. The family of the one young man claimed their Uncle or their relative was NEVER in Camino, Ca. This is ALL old stuff. The other spelling got NO where. Melvin in one pic and Marvin in the other - the last names are similar but spelled differently. I was looking for the old navy pic of Duane standing but since I lost lots of things when the computer went down (they are here - just in a format I can open in the pics).

Also HOW many of you can stand the way the guy does in the Snow pic with his hand on his hip If you are left handed you just might be able to do it. Right handed individuals will find it very difficult. The names attached to the pics on the site - the family claims was NEVER in Camino, Ca. - One of the names is incorrect - so I found nothing under that.

My searches were done yrs ago and I have done new ones.


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BobKnoss

Jul 10, 2012, 4:28 AM
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BK wrote
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"Radios were all double as back-up providing the ability to triangulate from a fixed point to any location by signal directions. I was given an example and we were within 50 feet of our target in heavy fog from 500 miles."

No way. I know quite a bit about 70s radio direction finding technology, both civilian and military, nulling loops, Doppler, Watson Watt types etc, BK's DF accuracy claim is BS. Even phase interferometry techniques couldn't give you that accuracy at 500 miles. Not even close.

When BK strays into tech he stumbles: witness his claimed use of a chest reserve as a back mounted chute for the DBC jump. In radio direction finding he makes similar mistakes.

377

I may not be able to build a radio, but I was able to sit in the plane and watch NW pilot David Haapala fly his Mooney Executive dead nuts to Devil's Lake airport from Minneapolis by radio signals. Dave now owns an aircraft communications company. 50 feet is pretty accurate. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong. Everything I say is absolutely true. Especially the stuff I haven't said. Dave and Rataczak were good friends. Dave's father, Bernie, was an FAA official and on Nixon's Air Piracy Committee. I was with Dave and Bernie, et al, for three years (during the Cooper years.) McCoy vistied us in his Raul Rahaul eye patch disguise in Dassel, MN. Several Cooper discussions took place among us. Bernie is now passed. Just another small paragraph in history. Half a page in more actual quotes as part of my 50 pages. But you won't verify squat, because your objective is not the truth, it is to hide the truth. Chicken-shits! Citizens are not capable of knowing the truth?? But people like you are???? That is totally backwards. Who works for whom?

matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 10, 2012, 7:40 AM
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From the article:

"For the first time, the federal government, in conjunction with three religious organizations, established a system allowing conscientious objectors to perform alternative nonmilitary service: working in hospitals, maintaining state forests, fighting forest fires, serving as subjects in scientific research, or building roads, dams and park benches. The program grew to include nearly 12,000 men at 152 camps in 34 states and in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands and Chungking, China."

I would say for those who rely on Wikipedia as the source of fact, be careful, anyone can add, edit, and delete stuff, even fantasy can be placed in the stories. They do their best to keep that crap out, but it happens.

Matt

matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 10, 2012, 7:48 AM
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In reply to:
BK wrote
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"Radios were all double as back-up providing the ability to triangulate from a fixed point to any location by signal directions. I was given an example and we were within 50 feet of our target in heavy fog from 500 miles."

No way. I know quite a bit about 70s radio direction finding technology, both civilian and military, nulling loops, Doppler, Watson Watt types etc, BK's DF accuracy claim is BS. Even phase interferometry techniques couldn't give you that accuracy at 500 miles. Not even close.

When BK strays into tech he stumbles: witness his claimed use of a chest reserve as a back mounted chute for the DBC jump. In radio direction finding he makes similar mistakes.

377

I may not be able to build a radio, but I was able to sit in the plane and watch NW pilot David Haapala fly his Mooney Executive dead nuts to Devil's Lake airport from Minneapolis by radio signals. Dave now owns an aircraft communications company. 50 feet is pretty accurate. Don't try to tell me I'm wrong. Everything I say is absolutely true. Especially the stuff I haven't said. Dave and Rataczak were good friends. Dave's father, Bernie, was an FAA official and on Nixon's Air Piracy Committee. I was with Dave and Bernie, et al, for three years (during the Cooper years.) McCoy vistied us in his Raul Rahaul eye patch disguise in Dassel, MN. Several Cooper discussions took place among us. Bernie is now passed. Just another small paragraph in history. Half a page in more actual quotes as part of my 50 pages. But you won't verify squat, because your objective is not the truth, it is to hide the truth. Chicken-shits! Citizens are not capable of knowing the truth?? But people like you are???? That is totally backwards. Who works for whom?

Did you just implicate more innocent people in a felony?

Your Nixon fantasy has been debunked through and through, move on to a new story already.

Still with the name calling, grow up already. Your lack of intelligence, and common decency, is appalling.

You Radio Navigation comment is a mistake on your part. Your initial comment had all believe that from 500 miles you hit a target to with in 50 feet. Now you flew 500 miles, all the while making adjustments, (including outside help) to land at an airfield, accurate to 50 feet (that part is funny, he would miss the runway of he was that close to the VOR.

You should leave innocent people out of your story.

Matt


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mrshutter45

Jul 10, 2012, 5:13 PM
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I'm still waiting for Jimmy Hoffa to come into Bobby's nightmare of a story! Since Bob has claimed "whistleblower" status, I think it's time for him to actually blow into the whistle and not just toot his horn like he has been doing here with such a small audience, and such a big story Wink

Let's see if we can get the press involved in this "whistleblowers" TRUTHFUL story he claims he wants to tell and prove so bad Cool

went to your school, are you using school buddies

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ParrotheadVol

Jul 10, 2012, 8:40 PM
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Anyone heard from Dangerous Dan lately? I went back and looked and it looks like he hasn't posted since December. Don't know if any of you stay in touch with him or not. Just wondering when he was going to share his theory with us. I'm anxious to hear it, I like his posts.

skyjack71

Jul 10, 2012, 11:11 PM
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Anyone heard from Dangerous Dan lately? I went back and looked and it looks like he hasn't posted since December. Don't know if any of you stay in touch with him or not. Just wondering when he was going to share his theory with us. I'm anxious to hear it, I like his posts.

I checked him out yrs ago - seems like it was called to my attention by a local person in the Georgia area. So I made calls.

When Dangerous Dan came here he didn't even remember any of this and his story was the very same he recited yrs ago when they pictured him with a stack of money on a table in a bank.

He came to the thread making lots of promises - just as he did in the article and he even changed a little of the story. Something you guys do NOT know...an insurance company I worked for and Duane worked for had a OFFICE in his location.

I was only with that company for a short period of time and so was Duane. I was not there long enough to add it to my resume - the man who was the DSM was more interested in making me than teaching me how to sell insurance. I do not remember the name of the man or the name of the company at this time...I do not have tax returns going back that far for myself.

Duane kept his from 1968 till the yr. he died in 1995...well I kept the last one as I filed for both of us at the end of 1995. Why was Duane Weber so diligent in keeping copies of his tax reports with the W-2's attached?

I went to some of the 555 and Nickles site to see if I could recall any names he might have mentioned in our life together, but nothing stood out except 2 things and neither was NOT a name (I have always been terrible at remembering names).

The insignia - the patches - I had some of those - I sold them at the same garage sale I sold the piece of chute. I really can't remember what the patches looked like - the were just old patches to me. The patches were all different but they all related to jumping. A ride back into the past - what a ride this has been!

A lot of the guys here posted pictures of old patches, but the only thing that stood out to me was red flames on one - but I don't remember anything else about them. If only I had known then what I know today - I had a treasure trove of the past and I thought it was junk.

RobertMBlevins

Jul 11, 2012, 12:46 AM
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Interesting article from 1996, on the 25th anniversary of the hijacking. Many of the principles make statements I have not seen previously.

The first part of the article is the usual stuff. The better stuff is further DOWN. I found this quote to be the most interesting:

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'Himmelsbach, who is not most people, says, "Richard McCoy is not D.B. Cooper. He learned about Cooper's caper from reading newspapers. We established that McCoy was in Los Angeles on the night Cooper hijacked the Northwest plane. He wasn't Cooper. But, of course, you can't disprove it because we don't know who Cooper was.''

I wondered HOW they established that McCoy was in LA at the time of the hijacking. It's a natural question.

Right-click and select 'Open in New Window' (or tab) for best results.


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BobKnoss

Jul 11, 2012, 3:37 AM
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Jimmy Hoffa has more brains left in the bottom of Florida's swamps than you ever had. If it weren't for Google, you'd be circling the swamps in search of advice. Hint: Google is not a source of intel, it is an indiscriminate search engine. You are the dude that spent a week looking at a planted tie clasp that was never even on the plane!!! Can't even figure out the Government's program for pre-registration interviews by local draft boards!! Number two sloth, the yellow striped badger in disguise. At first I thought you had some potential at deducing truth with your information there was a tie clasp distributor who lived near McCoy. Then you dropped the ball. Just another hired hand? "Like to hear your hat roar", like my dad used to say. Never understood what that meant, but it fits with the jibberish we get from the book promoter, you, and the drum beater dude. The one who thinks he is an FBI gopher now. What a collection of minstrels. What kind of creature pulls this bandwagon? A swayback mule? Mr. Ed? Goofy? Wily Coyote? The janitor at Seattle?

mrshutter45

Jul 11, 2012, 4:00 AM
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In reply to:
Jimmy Hoffa has more brains left in the bottom of Florida's swamps than you ever had. If it weren't for Google, you'd be circling the swamps in search of advice. Hint: Google is not a source of intel, it is an indiscriminate search engine. You are the dude that spent a week looking at a planted tie clasp that was never even on the plane!!! Can't even figure out the Government's program for pre-registration interviews by local draft boards!! Number two sloth, the yellow striped badger in disguise. At first I thought you had some potential at deducing truth with your information there was a tie clasp distributor who lived near McCoy. Then you dropped the ball. Just another hired hand? "Like to hear your hat roar", like my dad used to say. Never understood what that meant, but it fits with the jibberish we get from the book promoter, you, and the drum beater dude. The one who thinks he is an FBI gopher now. What a collection of minstrels. What kind of creature pulls this bandwagon? A swayback mule? Mr. Ed? Goofy? Wily Coyote? The janitor at Seattle?

I can tell by your constant personal attacks that I hit a nerve, again, your little Haapala friend was a pilot for NW, but does not have a communications company, you once again switch information around to fit your needs.

TOG was not Bill Rataczak like you told Matt, keep slipping up, you have become rather easy to catch!!

your Dad sounds like just as much of a loser as your are!! probably why he killed himself.

your the dude that has spent years telling misinformation about a Hijacking that you want so hard to be a part of, so you lie and use friends to help your story,.

TOG TOG TOG


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mrshutter45

Jul 11, 2012, 4:45 AM
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"Google is not a source of intel" ???????


Mr. David Haapala serves as Publisher and Editor of FltTechOnline. Mr. Happala founded Air Economics Group in 1994 after retiring from Northwest Airlines. He has thirty-three years of experience as a Line Pilot, Instructor Pilot and Check Pilot on nine different aircraft. At Northwest, none were the 727-100

Now a president of Air Economics Group, Inc.

I guess it must of been the other David Haapala that worked at NW that has a aircraft communications company? and didn't go to your College, the same time you did?

"I owned a Mooney Executive 21" says Dave Haapala on Google, so we can't trust Google anymore? which Dave Haapala are you referring too? Wink Tongue Sly


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 11, 2012, 9:04 AM
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"Google is not a source of intel" ???????


Mr. David Haapala serves as Publisher and Editor of FltTechOnline. Mr. Happala founded Air Economics Group in 1994 after retiring from Northwest Airlines. He has thirty-three years of experience as a Line Pilot, Instructor Pilot and Check Pilot on nine different aircraft. At Northwest, none were the 727-100

Now a president of Air Economics Group, Inc.

I guess it must of been the other David Haapala that worked at NW that has a aircraft communications company? and didn't go to your College, the same time you did?

"I owned a Mooney Executive 21" says Dave Haapala on Google, so we can't trust Google anymore? which Dave Haapala are you referring too? Wink Tongue Sly

He doesn't seem amused by the implication.

Matt

georger

Jul 11, 2012, 11:37 AM
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Interesting article from 1996, on the 25th anniversary of the hijacking. Many of the principles make statements I have not seen previously.

The first part of the article is the usual stuff. The better stuff is further DOWN. I found this quote to be the most interesting:

Quote:
'Himmelsbach, who is not most people, says, "Richard McCoy is not D.B. Cooper. He learned about Cooper's caper from reading newspapers. We established that McCoy was in Los Angeles on the night Cooper hijacked the Northwest plane. He wasn't Cooper. But, of course, you can't disprove it because we don't know who Cooper was.''

I wondered HOW they established that McCoy was in LA at the time of the hijacking. It's a natural question.

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soh? more distractions/puffery?

what happened to your much advertised "Interview
with Rataczk"?

BobKnoss

Jul 11, 2012, 11:53 AM
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From the masters of sleuthing come the sloths of planted information to disrupt more truth. Give us another rundown on the tie clasp that never was, or the 305 notes that never existed, or the flight path that nobody saw, or the missing cigarette butts, drink glasses, magazines, DNA, fingerprints, chicken eyed stares from stewardesses, secrets kept by agents, shot undercover agents, fake VietNam medals, dead John Doe bodies, stand-in doubles, missing files, missing records, changed and deleted data, secrets, secrets, secrets. All to cover up a domestic smoke and mirrors operation to justify a Presidential Order to enact laws Congress would not pass because of unpopularity. And you guys still have to perfume the air after 40 years! Give it up. Get over it. Ruby Ridge and Texas, etc., it is just an ongoing display of too much power in the hands of a few that need the ceiling brought down on them once in a while. Oversight really stinks. And they buy your crap. Sad. REALLY sad.

matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 11, 2012, 12:36 PM
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From the masters of sleuthing come the sloths of planted information to disrupt more truth. Give us another rundown on the tie clasp that never was, or the 305 notes that never existed, or the flight path that nobody saw, or the missing cigarette butts, drink glasses, magazines, DNA, fingerprints, chicken eyed stares from stewardesses, secrets kept by agents, shot undercover agents, fake VietNam medals, dead John Doe bodies, stand-in doubles, missing files, missing records, changed and deleted data, secrets, secrets, secrets. All to cover up a domestic smoke and mirrors operation to justify a Presidential Order to enact laws Congress would not pass because of unpopularity. And you guys still have to perfume the air after 40 years! Give it up. Get over it. Ruby Ridge and Texas, etc., it is just an ongoing display of too much power in the hands of a few that need the ceiling brought down on them once in a while. Oversight really stinks. And they buy your crap. Sad. REALLY sad.

You may need a hair cut.

Matt

mrshutter45

Jul 11, 2012, 4:36 PM
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from the master of deception, the guy who claims a woman saw a man on the stairs of a airplane at 10,000 feet in bad weather with flares over PORTLAND, the master who claimed that TOG was Bill Ratacaak and still tries to weasel out of it, they guy who takes College buddies and implicates them into a Government cover up involving Bob and a DEAD guy! he is so masterful he thinks he can tell a story about a reserve chute being tied to the back of the hijacker on a Parachute site and get away with it, yes that's right folks Bob Knoss, the king of deception, born to disrupt and confuse, but his doom is in the near future Cool

RobertMBlevins

Jul 11, 2012, 5:04 PM
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Interesting article from 1996, on the 25th anniversary of the hijacking. Many of the principles make statements I have not seen previously.

The first part of the article is the usual stuff. The better stuff is further DOWN. I found this quote to be the most interesting:

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'Himmelsbach, who is not most people, says, "Richard McCoy is not D.B. Cooper. He learned about Cooper's caper from reading newspapers. We established that McCoy was in Los Angeles on the night Cooper hijacked the Northwest plane. He wasn't Cooper. But, of course, you can't disprove it because we don't know who Cooper was.''

I wondered HOW they established that McCoy was in LA at the time of the hijacking. It's a natural question.

Right-click and select 'Open in New Window' (or tab) for best results.

soh? more distractions/puffery?

what happened to your much advertised "Interview
with Rataczk"?

I wouldn't post that interview at Dropzone if my life depended on it. You want that interview? Go look for it. You've come down hard on everything I've posted...and NOW you ask for something from ME? Forget it.

As far as my last post, that was AN ARTICLE FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE...not 'puffery'. Not a claim about Christiansen, or my personal opinion on anything. Personally, I couldn't care less if you look at that, either.

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