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Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 1:24 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 1:28 PM
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"During the winter of 194445, the Japanese sent 9000 fire balloons toward the western coast of North America. It was believed 1000 succeeded in reaching the United States, and 300 were witnessed. After three days, each balloon dropped an incendiary bomb.[2] In order to conceal the efficacy of these attacks, the missions of the 555th was kept clandestine in nature. In addition to fires started by the enemy incendiary devices, the 555th fought numerous other forest fires. Stationed at Pendleton Field (site of initial training for the Doolittle's raid on Japan) Oregon, with a detachment in Chico, California, unit members courageously participated in dangerous fire-fighting missions throughout the Pacific Northwest during the summer and fall of 1945. The group engaged in over 1200 missions, earning the nickname "Smoke Jumpers" in addition to "Triple Nickles." The only fatality in the unit died while jumping on 6 August 1945."

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._%28United_States%29

The 555th is real, they did do the missions claimed. The arrived on the NW Coast in May of '45, stayed till the went east (late '46? iirc ) to be assigned to the 82nd eventually ('47).

Having met and spoken with many vets of that unit, as well as read the AAR's, and watched the various training and documentary films. I am pretty confident it is true.

Matt

Matt,

You are right about the 555th black parachute unit.

However, the Doolittle Raiders trained in the Pensacola, Florida area. Elgin AFB to be exact.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 1:55 PM
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Although the point of my post was the 555th. The confusion is understandable since that was the units assigned base upon receiving the mission.

"The 17th BG, then flying antisubmarine patrols from Pendleton, Oregon, was immediately moved cross-country to Lexington County Army Air Base at Columbia, South Carolina, ostensibly to fly similar patrols off the East Coast of the United States but in actuality to prepare for the mission against Japan. The group officially transferred effective 9 February to Columbia, where its combat crews were offered the opportunity to volunteer for an "extremely hazardous" but unspecified mission. On 17 February the group was detached from the Eighth Air Force."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

But, this whole side trip through history is mute, if there is no connection between the all black Paratroopers and the white Suspect.

Plus, it just adds to the chaff that fills this thread.

Matt


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 2:10 PM
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Although the point of my post was the 555th. The confusion is understandable since that was the units assigned base upon receiving the mission.

"The 17th BG, then flying antisubmarine patrols from Pendleton, Oregon, was immediately moved cross-country to Lexington County Army Air Base at Columbia, South Carolina, ostensibly to fly similar patrols off the East Coast of the United States but in actuality to prepare for the mission against Japan. The group officially transferred effective 9 February to Columbia, where its combat crews were offered the opportunity to volunteer for an "extremely hazardous" but unspecified mission. On 17 February the group was detached from the Eighth Air Force."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

But, this whole side trip through history is mute, if there is no connection between the all black Paratroopers and the white Suspect.

Plus, it just adds to the chaff that fills this thread.

Matt

You are right again.

Robert99


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 2:51 PM
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I respect your statements and thank you for the clarifications. The information I contribute was given to me by McCoy long before meeting Jo, so it was not built on her information, her information only confirms what I had been told. Mac told me he was looking for a patsy and chose JER.

Your post is NOT worthy of being repeated!

ENOUGH is ENOUGH! YOU know YOU did not tell me anything other than you knew Duane and claimed to have known the wife. I proved you DID NOT know the wife and you had NO idea she was still alive. Originally you never heard of TG and then you used his name as McCoy's. You kept expanding your claims and the garbage started to spew. When you found I was in contact with the wife of the day, you doubled back and claimed she might not have been his wife, but a FBI "type" who was supposed to "control" him. I know WHO was with him during those days.

I have had ENOUGH of your lies and fabrications. You knew NOTHING about Duane nor his friends. You created STORIES but had NO knowledge of Duane's wife or her family and you even had the time span wrong. You accuse her of doing a robbery and told Grey it was in the papers. NO records of an arrest existed and NO article in any newspaper.

I DID NOT VALIDATE YOUR STORY and never will.

You are totally incorrect about the truth of the matter. I DO NOT LIE LIKE YOU DO. Once you lie, your credibility is no longer accepted. In court when you lie, ALL of your testimony is THROWN OUT, as yours should be here. Your information can not be trusted. You are a serial liar. Your only saving grace with me is I know the difference. When you speak the truth it is consistent with what I know. You make me laugh with these reversals. Biggest problem is that you can't remember all the lies!! Red and white canopy, white canopy when you never saw anything. No fire tower, fire tower, milk can, milk pail, don't know Mac, leave him alone, "Once there was one, now there are three, find my wife and you will find me!" One after another, constantly. A person would have to be dumber than a frickin' rock to swallow your deceptions. And you want ANYONE to believe you? You are a LOSE CANNON. Nobody trusts what you might say, because you constantly lie. Practically every post about me contains lies. They are obvious. Scrambled eggs? No. Scorned payback? Yup.

I believe everything I present is the absolute truth. Most of it was first hand, or I explain it. I would say the same thing under oath. I am not an investigator, I am a witness. You don't seem to comprehend the difference. When I tell you that Duane was told to say that he didn't have a grudge against Northwest, he just had a grudge, I'm am telling you that those words were given to both of us at the same time, not that someone said that was the case. I heard the actual words same as Duane at the same time from the same person. Witness. No guessing, no investigation, no secondhand "I think", or "something like", I memorized it as instructed, for a specific purpose, and I am not wrong. There is one person who knows this to be fact and we have discussed it. That person was impressed. I have 50 pages of exact quotations, word for word of instructional conversation consistent with what transpired on flight 305. NOT he said, she said. It makes everything crystal clear. But it is of no value without that second signature. Ain't gunna happen. Go figure. End of conversation. Smile

You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true.

Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable.

It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing.

So by 1630 CDT, post the scans.

Tick tick tick tick...


Matt

Brrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiingggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!

Well, 1630 CDT, came and went, no response, no proof.
So there must not be 50 ages of notes.

I would suspect a few teaser pages that are hastily "assembled", yeah "assembled", might be posted and as more are "assembled" they might make it here too. Don't get writers cramp while you "assemble" those notes Mr. Knoss.

And yes you did log on and knew. See attached.

Matt


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mrshutter45

Jul 7, 2012, 3:39 PM
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Good one on the log in, would of been awesome to wait and hear him say he just read your comment, then hit him with the screen shot Cool

Still a good one, wonder how many keyboards he smashes a month Sly






matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 4:24 PM
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You're not answering the direct question.

Are you saying Duane faked his race, like he faked an identity, and served with the 555th?
Received training in any way from them?

Be CLEAR, no hints, teases, or baits, clear provable truth, only.

Your part regarding GEN Westmoreland makes no sense to me.

Matt




RobertMBlevins

Jul 7, 2012, 4:41 PM
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I am no longer a big fan of this thread (duh, I know) but I feel obligated to discuss a phone call and an email I received today from Doug Kenck-Crispin at Oregon Historian. That's the website where a lot of Cooper stuff takes place in the real world, mostly around Portland.

Doug says that Galen Cook is making an appearance down there soon. He also asked me what I thought of Cook's claims. Let's just say I was polite...but unbelieving. I sent him the PDF to Blast, a few pictures, and left it at that. Anyway, if any of you gung-ho Cooper Investigators want a chance to ask Mr Cook the hard questions on his claims, you can find out which tavern to show up at near the end of the month.

Details are at the website I linked above.

Crispin says that Cook will be mostly discussing the Cooper Notes that were sent to different media. Fine and dandy. Although I won't be going to this event, I suggest anyone who does ask Cook the following question:

Quote:
'Since William Gossett was an active-duty non-commissioned officer in the US Army at the time of the hijacking...have you attempted to discover WHERE HE WAS at the time of the crime?'

There ARE duty logs, etc. Smile


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Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 5:02 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


No! Same subject but completely different. The one I have seems to be a 1st hand account written on :
THE DROP ZONE
Virtual Museum

Probably a site put up and then later removed. I believe perhaps some the information in this 2 part story may have been a little more the US government wanted the general public to be aware of. I only found a copy of part 2, but maybe I will run into Part 1 later.

In fact when I was trying to find more about this is when I discover the DZ as we know it today. Several yrs later.


I found another correspondence dated 3/16/2000 and maybe what led me to the articles I found. The site was
historian@thedropzone.org (Patrick O-Donnell).

Jo, the article cited by Mrshutter is on the balloon bombs that the Japanese developed in response to Doolittle's raid on Japan. The bombs that were discovered were found from the west coast (CA, OR, WA, AK, and Canada) to midwestern locations in the USA. This is the only balloon bomb program that involved the USA during WW2.

You are apparently getting different stories mixed up with each other.

Robert99


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 6:04 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


No! Same subject but completely different. The one I have seems to be a 1st hand account written on :
THE DROP ZONE
Virtual Museum

Probably a site put up and then later removed. I believe perhaps some the information in this 2 part story may have been a little more the US government wanted the general public to be aware of. I only found a copy of part 2, but maybe I will run into Part 1 later.

In fact when I was trying to find more about this is when I discover the DZ as we know it today. Several yrs later.


I found another correspondence dated 3/16/2000 and maybe what led me to the articles I found. The site was
historian@thedropzone.org (Patrick O-Donnell).

Jo, the article cited by Mrshutter is on the balloon bombs that the Japanese developed in response to Doolittle's raid on Japan. The bombs that were discovered were found from the west coast (CA, OR, WA, AK, and Canada) to midwestern locations in the USA. This is the only balloon bomb program that involved the USA during WW2.

You are apparently getting different stories mixed up with each other.

Robert99

As well as trying to force connections to things that are not connected or even related.

Matt




matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 7:21 PM
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No more guesses, hints, and baits, come straight out with it.

Duane's failure to perform, in two services, do not add up as some one capable of pulling this off.

SO what if he was in a unit for training, and never finished with, that was called a CW unit.

I was a member of the 75th RGR RGMT (ABN) when I started my career, I am not Ranger qualified (broken ankle). But my record still shows the 75th as a unit I was assigned too.

So, stop hinting, and come straight out with it.

I don't think it adds up. I think it is just many criminal items coming to light after death, and being strung together for "closer".

Sorry, it is harsh, but that is what i feel it is. You got duped by a petty criminal and identity thief, and now are trying to figure out the whys of it.

Matt


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 9:08 PM
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As well as trying to force connections to things that are not connected or even related.

Matt

NOT forcing things not connected.

Information dated 3/25/2000

McNeil - Stilicoon Prison:
The black smokejumpers trained near Portland Or and did not go to Pendleton until later.

Stilicoon used prisoner for road work and forestry work. May of 1945 right after Duane was placed on parole - the inlisted them to help the firefighters - which were at that time Not called the Triple Nickles on a classified misss. The battalion left Camp HACKELL for Oregon. Sept. 1944 protland Or dateline headed "Firefighter use Parachutes" The story reported that "Crew have been dropped by parachute to fight man areas of the Northwest". A blistering summer sun indirectly caused fire in six areas in the last 48 hours. An eight man unit crew was dropped to fight a blaze in the Lost Hors Country of Idaho.
Other Parchutist were in the back woods of Chelan National Forest a 300 acre fire. A strand object on the ground form the air proved to be a Japanese bomb that had traveled across the Pacific on Hydrogen-filled ballons.
It woud remain a TIGHTLY guarded secret for a time.

Nov 44 fear of these balloon contained chemical-biological warfare devices. (Remember Duane was on CW RGNT in the army training). The 555 Parachute infantry battalion had acquired the neck name "Smoke Jumpers". The WA. OR project became knnown as "Operation Firefly", and these team rushed to forest fires and areas where there were suspected Japanese Bombs. FIREFIGHING was entriely a new experince for them.

Most of these jumpers had been trained at Ft Benning and were BLACK.

This was in a book about Stilicoon Prison (McNeil) The Pensacola Library acquired for me on loan. I could not remove it from the library.

What is the chance that with what Duane told me about Ft. Benning that he did NOT know some of these guys and with his Uncle being connected to CW and his short connection to CW that he did not become part of a ground crew...provided by the prison to assist them.

Since the Bonneville facility house some prisoners who worked the forestry - remember Duane was very familiar with the facility and spoke as though he had stayed there - (the people in Washougal told me there was always something going on there and the locals never knew what it was). I spoke to several individuals in the area and all told me the same thing.

Jo, You need to get your facts straight. I hardly know where to begin so I'll just jump in and start with the military smoke jumpers.

In the article you quote above, nothing is said about either military or black smoke jumpers.

According to the article that Matt provided a link to earlier, the 555th didn't arrive in Oregon until May 1945. They were based at Pendleton, Oregon with a detachment at Chico, California. This article is also the source of the error about where the Doolittle Raiders trained (which was the Penascola, Florida area).

There was no media censorship on information about the balloon bombs until after Newsweek magazine published an article on the subject in their January 1, 1945 issue. This is in the link that Mrshutter provided earlier about the balloon bombs.

What is the source of your claim that the Japanese used chemical and biological weapons on those balloons? Please list chapter and verse.

EVERBODY where I lived in Washington State at that time knew about the balloons. The information was publicly distributed. But no one said anything about chemical and biological weapons.

You need to start checking your facts and not getting things intermingled.

As far as Duane knowing black paratroopers at Fort Benning, there is no evidence that Duane was ever at Fort Benning in the first place.

There were probably 20 to 40 thousand people at Fort Benning on any given day in that time frame and the average soldier's world probably didn't extend past the next barracks building from his own.

Have you heard of Jim Crow who was alive and well at that time? It is very unlikely that blacks and whites socialized at Fort Benning or any other place in that area at that time.

Robert99


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RobertMBlevins

Jul 7, 2012, 10:59 PM
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I am no longer a big fan of this thread (duh, I know) but I feel obligated to discuss a phone call and an email I received today from Doug Kenck-Crispin at Oregon Historian. That's the website where a lot of Cooper stuff takes place in the real world, mostly around Portland.

Doug says that Galen Cook is making an appearance down there soon. He also asked me what I thought of Cook's claims. Let's just say I was polite...but unbelieving. I sent him the PDF to Blast, a few pictures, and left it at that. Anyway, if any of you gung-ho Cooper Investigators want a chance to ask Mr Cook the hard questions on his claims, you can find out which tavern to show up at near the end of the month.

Details are at the website I linked above.

Crispin says that Cook will be mostly discussing the Cooper Notes that were sent to different media. Fine and dandy. Although I won't be going to this event, I suggest anyone who does ask Cook the following question:

Quote:
'Since William Gossett was an active-duty non-commissioned officer in the US Army at the time of the hijacking...have you attempted to discover WHERE HE WAS at the time of the crime?'

There ARE duty logs, etc. Smile

On second thought, I know where the Jack London Bar is in Portland, and I see I am not particularly busy on July 25th, 2012 at 7:30 PM.

I think I will attend after all. I only have ONE question anyway. Wink




Robert99

Jul 8, 2012, 12:08 AM
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R99 writes:

There was no media censorship on information about the balloon bombs until after Newsweek magazine published an article on the subject in their January 1, 1945 issue. This is in the link that Mrshutter provided earlier about the balloon bombs.

Jo replies:

BULL it is well known they kept it secret for sometime and they didn't leaked it to the public in the beginning. It would have caused a panic. All of this is in that same damn article and in a very old book if your library can even find a copy of it. Like the Cooper case - detail get changed everytime some one want to do a book or a web page.

Jo, Quote your sources if you have any.

Let me repeat, there was NO panic among those of us who acually saw the balloon bombs pass overhead.

Ten year old kids are not afraid of anything!

And again, there was not any media censorship by the US Government about these balloon bombs until after the Newsweek article in their 01-01-1945 issue.

In addition to almost everything else you have been writing these past few days, I doubt that Duane had anything to do with the Bonneville Dam.

Grand Coulee Dam was conducting routine visitor tours during this same period. I was in one of those tour groups and only saw a few policemen, all civilians, each armed with a single 38 pistol (a six shooter). The only security that I could see was that the group was counted as it passed from one area of the dam to another.

If you want your claims to be believed, you should start posting sources that can actually be located. You and Knoss are in the same boat in that respect.

Robert99


BobKnoss

Jul 8, 2012, 7:25 AM
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"You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true.

Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable.

It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing.

So by 1630 CDT, post the scans.

Tick tick tick tick... "
___________________________________________

Matt Cline: You have proven yourself totally untrustworthy of handling sensitive information. Retarded is a polite term that I used in the past, but there is no good term to describe your opinionated attacks on the truth from Jo and me. Your complete lack of knowledge and assumption of planted evidence and false testimony is exemplatory of counter-intelligence at work. You definitely can not be trusted with my documents. They are bona facia evidence that support everything I have said. You would absolutely attempt to use them as "more character assassination evidence" against me. You are as predictable as your, "tick-tick-tick." I'd really like to carry on a discussion with a Mensa group instead of a Minstrel group. (Picture a bandwagon pulled by an official chicken-shit FBI cover-up crew. Picture Jo being towed behind in a Red Flier wagon, waving and throwing suckers to all the onlookers.) It would appear the Canadian Mounted Police made a prior entry in force, based on the residual evidence, or was it the Cooper bandwagon that generated that stenchful litter? Pretty obvious to everyone what the answer to that one is. Used oats cast no votes. Truth talks, horse shit walks.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 8, 2012, 8:26 AM
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"You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true.

Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable.

It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing.

So by 1630 CDT, post the scans.

Tick tick tick tick... "
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Matt Cline: You have proven yourself totally untrustworthy of handling sensitive information. Retarded is a polite term that I used in the past, but there is no good term to describe your opinionated attacks on the truth from Jo and me. Your complete lack of knowledge and assumption of planted evidence and false testimony is exemplatory of counter-intelligence at work. You definitely can not be trusted with my documents. They are bona facia evidence that support everything I have said. You would absolutely attempt to use them as "more character assassination evidence" against me. You are as predictable as your, "tick-tick-tick." I'd really like to carry on a discussion with a Mensa group instead of a Minstrel group. (Picture a bandwagon pulled by an official chicken-shit FBI cover-up crew. Picture Jo being towed behind in a Red Flier wagon, waving and throwing suckers to all the onlookers.) It would appear the Canadian Mounted Police made a prior entry in force, based on the residual evidence, or was it the Cooper bandwagon that generated that stenchful litter? Pretty obvious to everyone what the answer to that one is. Used oats cast no votes. Truth talks, horse shit walks.

Then you should walk.

You can't answer the direct question, because you lied. There are no notes. It was a lie, you got caught, again, simple.

I have held a security clearance far higher than you, since you never held one, any would be higher I suppose. That process alone, is why I know your story to be farce and so laughable.

And even if there was 50 pages of hand written notes, they would amount to nothing. Modern science would prove they didn't happen to be written at the right time, and would not have been from the none existent project. That is called a forgery in the art world.

That whole response above was just more of your fantasy, and is drivel. Plus you had to resort to name calling, very grade school play ground. Remember resorting to name calling and insults is a indicator of a lack of character, intelligence, and facts, to bring to the discussion.

Chief is laughing so hard, breathing is difficult.

At least Jo is proving, with evidence, where her ideas and notions come from, and as she does disproving your "case", BTW.

Jo's case at least makes a bit of sense, but I think Duane may have known, or thought he knew, the Suspect, not actually have been the suspect, the drawing of the suspect and Duane are just too far off. Plus, just being around those trained in some activity doesn't mean you able to do that activity. And of course it could all be coincidence, and mean nothing at all.

Matt


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