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Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 1:24 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 1:28 PM
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"During the winter of 194445, the Japanese sent 9000 fire balloons toward the western coast of North America. It was believed 1000 succeeded in reaching the United States, and 300 were witnessed. After three days, each balloon dropped an incendiary bomb.[2] In order to conceal the efficacy of these attacks, the missions of the 555th was kept clandestine in nature. In addition to fires started by the enemy incendiary devices, the 555th fought numerous other forest fires. Stationed at Pendleton Field (site of initial training for the Doolittle's raid on Japan) Oregon, with a detachment in Chico, California, unit members courageously participated in dangerous fire-fighting missions throughout the Pacific Northwest during the summer and fall of 1945. The group engaged in over 1200 missions, earning the nickname "Smoke Jumpers" in addition to "Triple Nickles." The only fatality in the unit died while jumping on 6 August 1945."

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._%28United_States%29

The 555th is real, they did do the missions claimed. The arrived on the NW Coast in May of '45, stayed till the went east (late '46? iirc ) to be assigned to the 82nd eventually ('47).

Having met and spoken with many vets of that unit, as well as read the AAR's, and watched the various training and documentary films. I am pretty confident it is true.

Matt

Matt,

You are right about the 555th black parachute unit.

However, the Doolittle Raiders trained in the Pensacola, Florida area. Elgin AFB to be exact.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 1:55 PM
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Although the point of my post was the 555th. The confusion is understandable since that was the units assigned base upon receiving the mission.

"The 17th BG, then flying antisubmarine patrols from Pendleton, Oregon, was immediately moved cross-country to Lexington County Army Air Base at Columbia, South Carolina, ostensibly to fly similar patrols off the East Coast of the United States but in actuality to prepare for the mission against Japan. The group officially transferred effective 9 February to Columbia, where its combat crews were offered the opportunity to volunteer for an "extremely hazardous" but unspecified mission. On 17 February the group was detached from the Eighth Air Force."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

But, this whole side trip through history is mute, if there is no connection between the all black Paratroopers and the white Suspect.

Plus, it just adds to the chaff that fills this thread.

Matt


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 2:10 PM
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Although the point of my post was the 555th. The confusion is understandable since that was the units assigned base upon receiving the mission.

"The 17th BG, then flying antisubmarine patrols from Pendleton, Oregon, was immediately moved cross-country to Lexington County Army Air Base at Columbia, South Carolina, ostensibly to fly similar patrols off the East Coast of the United States but in actuality to prepare for the mission against Japan. The group officially transferred effective 9 February to Columbia, where its combat crews were offered the opportunity to volunteer for an "extremely hazardous" but unspecified mission. On 17 February the group was detached from the Eighth Air Force."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

But, this whole side trip through history is mute, if there is no connection between the all black Paratroopers and the white Suspect.

Plus, it just adds to the chaff that fills this thread.

Matt

You are right again.

Robert99


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 2:51 PM
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I respect your statements and thank you for the clarifications. The information I contribute was given to me by McCoy long before meeting Jo, so it was not built on her information, her information only confirms what I had been told. Mac told me he was looking for a patsy and chose JER.

Your post is NOT worthy of being repeated!

ENOUGH is ENOUGH! YOU know YOU did not tell me anything other than you knew Duane and claimed to have known the wife. I proved you DID NOT know the wife and you had NO idea she was still alive. Originally you never heard of TG and then you used his name as McCoy's. You kept expanding your claims and the garbage started to spew. When you found I was in contact with the wife of the day, you doubled back and claimed she might not have been his wife, but a FBI "type" who was supposed to "control" him. I know WHO was with him during those days.

I have had ENOUGH of your lies and fabrications. You knew NOTHING about Duane nor his friends. You created STORIES but had NO knowledge of Duane's wife or her family and you even had the time span wrong. You accuse her of doing a robbery and told Grey it was in the papers. NO records of an arrest existed and NO article in any newspaper.

I DID NOT VALIDATE YOUR STORY and never will.

You are totally incorrect about the truth of the matter. I DO NOT LIE LIKE YOU DO. Once you lie, your credibility is no longer accepted. In court when you lie, ALL of your testimony is THROWN OUT, as yours should be here. Your information can not be trusted. You are a serial liar. Your only saving grace with me is I know the difference. When you speak the truth it is consistent with what I know. You make me laugh with these reversals. Biggest problem is that you can't remember all the lies!! Red and white canopy, white canopy when you never saw anything. No fire tower, fire tower, milk can, milk pail, don't know Mac, leave him alone, "Once there was one, now there are three, find my wife and you will find me!" One after another, constantly. A person would have to be dumber than a frickin' rock to swallow your deceptions. And you want ANYONE to believe you? You are a LOSE CANNON. Nobody trusts what you might say, because you constantly lie. Practically every post about me contains lies. They are obvious. Scrambled eggs? No. Scorned payback? Yup.

I believe everything I present is the absolute truth. Most of it was first hand, or I explain it. I would say the same thing under oath. I am not an investigator, I am a witness. You don't seem to comprehend the difference. When I tell you that Duane was told to say that he didn't have a grudge against Northwest, he just had a grudge, I'm am telling you that those words were given to both of us at the same time, not that someone said that was the case. I heard the actual words same as Duane at the same time from the same person. Witness. No guessing, no investigation, no secondhand "I think", or "something like", I memorized it as instructed, for a specific purpose, and I am not wrong. There is one person who knows this to be fact and we have discussed it. That person was impressed. I have 50 pages of exact quotations, word for word of instructional conversation consistent with what transpired on flight 305. NOT he said, she said. It makes everything crystal clear. But it is of no value without that second signature. Ain't gunna happen. Go figure. End of conversation. Smile

You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true.

Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable.

It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing.

So by 1630 CDT, post the scans.

Tick tick tick tick...


Matt

Brrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiingggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!

Well, 1630 CDT, came and went, no response, no proof.
So there must not be 50 ages of notes.

I would suspect a few teaser pages that are hastily "assembled", yeah "assembled", might be posted and as more are "assembled" they might make it here too. Don't get writers cramp while you "assemble" those notes Mr. Knoss.

And yes you did log on and knew. See attached.

Matt


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mrshutter45

Jul 7, 2012, 3:39 PM
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Good one on the log in, would of been awesome to wait and hear him say he just read your comment, then hit him with the screen shot Cool

Still a good one, wonder how many keyboards he smashes a month Sly


skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 3:50 PM
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"During the winter of 194445, the Japanese sent 9000 fire balloons toward the western coast of North America. It was believed 1000 succeeded in reaching the United States, and 300 were witnessed. After three days, each balloon dropped an incendiary bomb.[2] In order to conceal the efficacy of these attacks, the missions of the 555th was kept clandestine in nature. In addition to fires started by the enemy incendiary devices, the 555th fought numerous other forest fires. Stationed at Pendleton Field (site of initial training for the Doolittle's raid on Japan) Oregon, with a detachment in Chico, California, unit members courageously participated in dangerous fire-fighting missions throughout the Pacific Northwest during the summer and fall of 1945. The group engaged in over 1200 missions, earning the nickname "Smoke Jumpers" in addition to "Triple Nickles." The only fatality in the unit died while jumping on 6 August 1945."

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._%28United_States%29

The 555th is real, they did do the missions claimed. The arrived on the NW Coast in May of '45, stayed till the went east (late '46? iirc ) to be assigned to the 82nd eventually ('47).

Having met and spoken with many vets of that unit, as well as read the AAR's, and watched the various training and documentary films. I am pretty confident it is true.

Matt

The old article I have has NOT been cleaned up and there is NO way to retrive it in the world of the internet. I have the paper copy I made when it was first called to my attention in March of 2000, Anyone wanting a detailed copy of this will have to give me an address and I will mail copies of it.

One of the name mentioned in the later part of the article is General William C. Westmoreland. In February 1946 after 2 months of NO supervision and watching friends leave for home the 555th was relieved for attachment to the 13th Airborn Div. and attached to the 82nd Airborn. It retained its own authority to discipline and manage its own personnel matters.

Now to answer your question about Duane Weber. Duane had curly hair and a dark complexion - and could easily have passed as part white and part black. One of the things that made it difficult when he was growing up....how dark he got with sun exposure and the curly hair and the dark dark eyes.
The heritage was German.

I am enclosing a photo of a man who resembled Duane very much. He was a friend of Duane's and last I knew was 100 yrs old....this man is black, but appears more white. The two men even resemble each other.
Co-incidence probably. Duane also played the trumpet...but this is NOT a picture of Weber.

Well, I can't find it. I had computer problems and hope the guy did not remove those files. Will try later.


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skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 4:06 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


No! Same subject but completely different. The one I have seems to be a 1st hand account written on :
THE DROP ZONE
Virtual Museum

Probably a site put up and then later removed. I believe perhaps some the information in this 2 part story may have been a little more the US government wanted the general public to be aware of. I only found a copy of part 2, but maybe I will run into Part 1 later.

In fact when I was trying to find more about this is when I discover the DZ as we know it today. Several yrs later.


I found another correspondence dated 3/16/2000 and maybe what led me to the articles I found. The site was
historian@thedropzone.org (Patrick O-Donnell).


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 4:24 PM
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You're not answering the direct question.

Are you saying Duane faked his race, like he faked an identity, and served with the 555th?
Received training in any way from them?

Be CLEAR, no hints, teases, or baits, clear provable truth, only.

Your part regarding GEN Westmoreland makes no sense to me.

Matt


skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 4:32 PM
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Other prisoner with names same as other suspects and individuals known to Weber - not sure these name mean anything, but I wrote them down and the prison number just encase they might be connected to Duane and his actions after being released from Canon City in 1962.

Charles Wilson Coffelt 26757
John Collins 36357
James Brown 33502
James B. Brown 39203
James B. Brown 29729
James Roach 30382
Albert Ross 38201
Albert Ross 33211
Arnold Ross 30160

I don't know why I wrote these down, but obviously because the names had connections to Weber.

Ross was the married name of a woman Duane spent time with.

Brown - was the name of a man connected to Coffelt (a Cooper suspect.

Of Course the Coffelt - was to enquire if that was the Coffelt who was claimed he was Cooper.

This is available in the Colorada State Archives.

Trivial information - but I investigated any way I could find.


RobertMBlevins

Jul 7, 2012, 4:41 PM
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I am no longer a big fan of this thread (duh, I know) but I feel obligated to discuss a phone call and an email I received today from Doug Kenck-Crispin at Oregon Historian. That's the website where a lot of Cooper stuff takes place in the real world, mostly around Portland.

Doug says that Galen Cook is making an appearance down there soon. He also asked me what I thought of Cook's claims. Let's just say I was polite...but unbelieving. I sent him the PDF to Blast, a few pictures, and left it at that. Anyway, if any of you gung-ho Cooper Investigators want a chance to ask Mr Cook the hard questions on his claims, you can find out which tavern to show up at near the end of the month.

Details are at the website I linked above.

Crispin says that Cook will be mostly discussing the Cooper Notes that were sent to different media. Fine and dandy. Although I won't be going to this event, I suggest anyone who does ask Cook the following question:

Quote:
'Since William Gossett was an active-duty non-commissioned officer in the US Army at the time of the hijacking...have you attempted to discover WHERE HE WAS at the time of the crime?'

There ARE duty logs, etc. Smile


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skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 4:50 PM
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The former Camp Sibert Training facility was established in the spring of 1942 and was used for basic military training and for training in the use of chemical weapons, decontanmination procedures and smoke operations until early 1945.

Duane during his short stay in the army was attached to the CW - CHEMICAL WARFARE.

Does NOT one of you see how this links.

Duane is kicked out of the Army while the FAMILY is legally trying to get the BAD Conduct Charge off of his Navy record. The incident was off base and in a bar.

At any rate he wanted to be in the war effort so bad he some how got into the Army - until he was found out and then discharged as an Undesirable.

Work was not available for someone with that kind of record.
They were scorned and no one would hire them. He then uses Crime as a mean to survive. He is caught and then violates the parole and sent to McNeil. (I also have some article on McNeil no one is aware of which I will post later).

But, for some reason Duane is never placed into the population of McNeil according to the family.
The FBI on more than on occassion stated Duane was never in McNeil and yet Carr claimed McNeil as the source of the prints.

The Fire Bomb thing is in WA and his uncle helped develope chemical warfar in WW1 and was called back in WW2 around the same time as the Balloon Bombs.

I know this makes no sense to anyone but me...but it is there.
Why did the FBI conceal the McNeil Record until I called them on it - especially when Carr claimed it the source of Weber's prints!!!!!!!!!!!! And prior FBI had said Duane was never in McNeil.
Was he or wasn't he...the record I have states he was...and the family records state he was place into a special program with the assistance of family members or relative in the WA and OR area.


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 5:02 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


No! Same subject but completely different. The one I have seems to be a 1st hand account written on :
THE DROP ZONE
Virtual Museum

Probably a site put up and then later removed. I believe perhaps some the information in this 2 part story may have been a little more the US government wanted the general public to be aware of. I only found a copy of part 2, but maybe I will run into Part 1 later.

In fact when I was trying to find more about this is when I discover the DZ as we know it today. Several yrs later.


I found another correspondence dated 3/16/2000 and maybe what led me to the articles I found. The site was
historian@thedropzone.org (Patrick O-Donnell).

Jo, the article cited by Mrshutter is on the balloon bombs that the Japanese developed in response to Doolittle's raid on Japan. The bombs that were discovered were found from the west coast (CA, OR, WA, AK, and Canada) to midwestern locations in the USA. This is the only balloon bomb program that involved the USA during WW2.

You are apparently getting different stories mixed up with each other.

Robert99


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 6:04 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Yes.


No! Same subject but completely different. The one I have seems to be a 1st hand account written on :
THE DROP ZONE
Virtual Museum

Probably a site put up and then later removed. I believe perhaps some the information in this 2 part story may have been a little more the US government wanted the general public to be aware of. I only found a copy of part 2, but maybe I will run into Part 1 later.

In fact when I was trying to find more about this is when I discover the DZ as we know it today. Several yrs later.


I found another correspondence dated 3/16/2000 and maybe what led me to the articles I found. The site was
historian@thedropzone.org (Patrick O-Donnell).

Jo, the article cited by Mrshutter is on the balloon bombs that the Japanese developed in response to Doolittle's raid on Japan. The bombs that were discovered were found from the west coast (CA, OR, WA, AK, and Canada) to midwestern locations in the USA. This is the only balloon bomb program that involved the USA during WW2.

You are apparently getting different stories mixed up with each other.

Robert99

As well as trying to force connections to things that are not connected or even related.

Matt


skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 6:32 PM
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As well as trying to force connections to things that are not connected or even related.

Matt

NOT forcing things not connected.

Information dated 3/25/2000

McNeil - Stilicoon Prison:
The black smokejumpers trained near Portland Or and did not go to Pendleton until later.

Stilicoon used prisoner for road work and forestry work. May of 1945 right after Duane was placed on parole - the inlisted them to help the firefighters - which were at that time Not called the Triple Nickles on a classified misss. The battalion left Camp HACKELL for Oregon. Sept. 1944 protland Or dateline headed "Firefighter use Parachutes" The story reported that "Crew have been dropped by parachute to fight man areas of the Northwest". A blistering summer sun indirectly caused fire in six areas in the last 48 hours. An eight man unit crew was dropped to fight a blaze in the Lost Hors Country of Idaho.
Other Parchutist were in the back woods of Chelan National Forest a 300 acre fire. A strand object on the ground form the air proved to be a Japanese bomb that had traveled across the Pacific on Hydrogen-filled ballons.
It woud remain a TIGHTLY guarded secret for a time.

Nov 44 fear of these balloon contained chemical-biological warfare devices. (Remember Duane was on CW RGNT in the army training). The 555 Parachute infantry battalion had acquired the neck name "Smoke Jumpers". The WA. OR project became knnown as "Operation Firefly", and these team rushed to forest fires and areas where there were suspected Japanese Bombs. FIREFIGHING was entriely a new experince for them.

Most of these jumpers had been trained at Ft Benning and were BLACK.

This was in a book about Stilicoon Prison (McNeil) The Pensacola Library acquired for me on loan. I could not remove it from the library.

What is the chance that with what Duane told me about Ft. Benning that he did NOT know some of these guys and with his Uncle being connected to CW and his short connection to CW that he did not become part of a ground crew...provided by the prison to assist them.

Since the Bonneville facility house some prisoners who worked the forestry - remember Duane was very familiar with the facility and spoke as though he had stayed there - (the people in Washougal told me there was always something going on there and the locals never knew what it was). I spoke to several individuals in the area and all told me the same thing.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 7, 2012, 7:21 PM
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No more guesses, hints, and baits, come straight out with it.

Duane's failure to perform, in two services, do not add up as some one capable of pulling this off.

SO what if he was in a unit for training, and never finished with, that was called a CW unit.

I was a member of the 75th RGR RGMT (ABN) when I started my career, I am not Ranger qualified (broken ankle). But my record still shows the 75th as a unit I was assigned too.

So, stop hinting, and come straight out with it.

I don't think it adds up. I think it is just many criminal items coming to light after death, and being strung together for "closer".

Sorry, it is harsh, but that is what i feel it is. You got duped by a petty criminal and identity thief, and now are trying to figure out the whys of it.

Matt


Robert99

Jul 7, 2012, 9:08 PM
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As well as trying to force connections to things that are not connected or even related.

Matt

NOT forcing things not connected.

Information dated 3/25/2000

McNeil - Stilicoon Prison:
The black smokejumpers trained near Portland Or and did not go to Pendleton until later.

Stilicoon used prisoner for road work and forestry work. May of 1945 right after Duane was placed on parole - the inlisted them to help the firefighters - which were at that time Not called the Triple Nickles on a classified misss. The battalion left Camp HACKELL for Oregon. Sept. 1944 protland Or dateline headed "Firefighter use Parachutes" The story reported that "Crew have been dropped by parachute to fight man areas of the Northwest". A blistering summer sun indirectly caused fire in six areas in the last 48 hours. An eight man unit crew was dropped to fight a blaze in the Lost Hors Country of Idaho.
Other Parchutist were in the back woods of Chelan National Forest a 300 acre fire. A strand object on the ground form the air proved to be a Japanese bomb that had traveled across the Pacific on Hydrogen-filled ballons.
It woud remain a TIGHTLY guarded secret for a time.

Nov 44 fear of these balloon contained chemical-biological warfare devices. (Remember Duane was on CW RGNT in the army training). The 555 Parachute infantry battalion had acquired the neck name "Smoke Jumpers". The WA. OR project became knnown as "Operation Firefly", and these team rushed to forest fires and areas where there were suspected Japanese Bombs. FIREFIGHING was entriely a new experince for them.

Most of these jumpers had been trained at Ft Benning and were BLACK.

This was in a book about Stilicoon Prison (McNeil) The Pensacola Library acquired for me on loan. I could not remove it from the library.

What is the chance that with what Duane told me about Ft. Benning that he did NOT know some of these guys and with his Uncle being connected to CW and his short connection to CW that he did not become part of a ground crew...provided by the prison to assist them.

Since the Bonneville facility house some prisoners who worked the forestry - remember Duane was very familiar with the facility and spoke as though he had stayed there - (the people in Washougal told me there was always something going on there and the locals never knew what it was). I spoke to several individuals in the area and all told me the same thing.

Jo, You need to get your facts straight. I hardly know where to begin so I'll just jump in and start with the military smoke jumpers.

In the article you quote above, nothing is said about either military or black smoke jumpers.

According to the article that Matt provided a link to earlier, the 555th didn't arrive in Oregon until May 1945. They were based at Pendleton, Oregon with a detachment at Chico, California. This article is also the source of the error about where the Doolittle Raiders trained (which was the Penascola, Florida area).

There was no media censorship on information about the balloon bombs until after Newsweek magazine published an article on the subject in their January 1, 1945 issue. This is in the link that Mrshutter provided earlier about the balloon bombs.

What is the source of your claim that the Japanese used chemical and biological weapons on those balloons? Please list chapter and verse.

EVERBODY where I lived in Washington State at that time knew about the balloons. The information was publicly distributed. But no one said anything about chemical and biological weapons.

You need to start checking your facts and not getting things intermingled.

As far as Duane knowing black paratroopers at Fort Benning, there is no evidence that Duane was ever at Fort Benning in the first place.

There were probably 20 to 40 thousand people at Fort Benning on any given day in that time frame and the average soldier's world probably didn't extend past the next barracks building from his own.

Have you heard of Jim Crow who was alive and well at that time? It is very unlikely that blacks and whites socialized at Fort Benning or any other place in that area at that time.

Robert99


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skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 9:16 PM
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You're not answering the direct question.

Are you saying Duane faked his race, like he faked an identity, and served with the 555th?
Received training in any way from them?

Be CLEAR, no hints, teases, or baits, clear provable truth, only.

Your part regarding GEN Westmoreland makes no sense to me.

Matt


The General Westmoreland was there only because his name was mentioned in the artlcle and I was hoping someone might explain to me who this is and why he was mentioned in the Article.

I am not saying Duane FAKED an ID, but exploring the things he told me and my finding out they were true and the sequence of events per history was very possible. The rest of this answer is lenghty and within the story below.


FBI is very silent regarding the McNeil, but the file says he was there less than 6 month with probation in the summer of 1945 and then the family's claim he was in the Placerville area.

The brother worded it "with some people who thought they could help him find direction and to bring him closer to home". (The sister maintained he was never in the prison because of intervention by family friends or family in WA).

Duane's own words and what he told me in Tahoe indicate he did live in the mountains between Carson City and Placerville...I forget the name of the little town, but it is in writing some where in all of these file.

The FBI has refused to use photo ID to verify the guy in a couple of photos taken there was indeed Weber, but someone I found on my own ground says - yes, they are one and the same.
Comparing Navy photos which were the closest I had to the 1945 pics. The fact that he brought that book into our home and talked about this - and showed me these same photos, I know he was there.

I do know he went BACK to WA & OR - the things he told me and the 2 eye witnesses who placed him in The Dalles - was all I needed. They even told me where he washed dishes and the same place Duane talked about when he took me to dinner the night we stayed just out side of The Dallas. These guys at the senior center had NO idea who I was - I showed them only pictures of Duane. One brother told me this and then called his brother over and asked him where he remember the guy from - he said the same thing.

The Dalles was also where Duane talked about the FIRE DEPT and sweeping out a store in town.

He talked about a bar "the Guys" used to go to in Goldendale. He spoke of rock climbing in the area. He mentioned "they use to fly in and out to the airport just as he mention these same guys regarding the Redmond, OR airport.

Who were the Guys. Well, I know 3 of them went to Mt. Hood just as Duane told me and a story I told yrs before Snowmman introduced the pic in the thread I had already located on the computer a few yrs before and that Duane showed me in 1984 approx.

Duane told me about Karl the one whose guitar was always with him and his boots. He mentioned one of the guys was a rodeo guy. I do not remember if it was bull riding but something makes me think that.

Duane talked about the Dollar Corner Tavern and his knowing the man who owned it...and then something about a feed store or hardware across the street. When I was out there in 2001 that store and bar was still there, but changed hands. The feed store or hardware was a Used Furniture store - something like that. There were so many people with us it was hard to pay attention like you do one on one.

McNeil provided road workers and forestry aid and Duane worked in the same, I guess on a probabtion type thing and his buddies went to OR - he went also. Somewhere in the 4 missing yrs he goes to Chicago area and ends up in trouble but they loose him - he walks away from an honor farm. NO ONE person could know the N.W. the way he did if he was behind bars the entire time he was there and the family told he was there.

Nickles (your specific question):
Evidently he was in an area The Nickles were in as he started talking about things before we got to the WA line. He basically told me their history and also a couple of names, but I didn't remember those. He knew some of them personally. I have never read anything about their not being allowed in the restaurants and using wht boys to fetch their meals....and it was better than picking apples. (don't know why I remember the part about apples). Duane knew every airport in WA and OR and ID and he talked about the Indian Reservations in all of them. Indians and Blacks - with his complexion it was easy for him to hide among them.


He personally stated he could never go to a reservation and area below Cour de lane because of something that happened with himself and another BOY. So his using the word BOY I assumed he was still a very young man. I could never get the FBI to check the county records in those counties...and when I was out there I ran out of money and time before I got that far. So much to do and so little time.

He talked about moving equipment from place to place and specifically Indian reservations and airports.

He talked about a camp high up in the mountains above Seattle and to the East near ID.

More about the BLACK connection Duane had:

Now that picture I was going to post of a man who is a Black man and he lived in N.O. and played a trumpet - a man Duane used to know and he made a point to go see in 1980/1981 (I have pics so I would be able to give the yrs.

He made sure he deposited me else where and the guy was not there, but we went back the next day before we left and again the guy was not there, but he left a package for him. This man was alive at 100 a yr ago. What was Duanes specific connection to Blacks? Especially this man and the other one who was a shoe shine guy?

Remember my telling about the incident in VA when a woman wanted to know who the "N" was that took care of his pets and pool while they were on vacation. What the service guys and Duane did to that woman was actually hilarious. They invited both of them to a party the next day - and asked Duane and I not to come late. When we got there they introduce the "N" (Duane) to the neighbor and the room roared. Obviously that neighbor was a racist living in a military community and her words just did not set well with any of them....Duane was in on the plan. These guys were all much younger than we were so we were just good neighbors but they all like a good joke.



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skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 9:58 PM
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In the article you quote above, nothing is said about either military or black smoke jumpers.

Duh! I only gave you highlights and the site you found is not the culmination of sites and books I have collected. You claimed one place I went was were you went - NO they are not. That old site with the details is NO long out there.

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According to the article that Matt provided a link to earlier, the 555th didn't arrive in Oregon until May 1945. They were based at Pendleton, Oregon with a detachment at Chico, California. This article is also the source of the error about where the Doolittle Raiders trained (which was the Penascola, Florida area).

Well, the other article is different and I quoted it. The new writers come along - just like quoting the facts about the Cooper case, and before you know it part of history is lost...as the new generation is not concerned about the details. I am not going to dig the article up again and try to type that much...provide me with a mailing address and I will have a copy made and sent to you. I am unable to scan articles.

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There was no media censorship on information about the balloon bombs until after Newsweek magazine published an article on the subject in their January 1, 1945 issue. This is in the link that Mrshutter provided earlier about the balloon bombs.

BULL it is well known they kept it secret for sometime and they didn't leaked it to the public in the beginning. It would have caused a panic. All of this is in that same damn article and in a very old book if your library can even find a copy of it. Like the Cooper case - detail get changed everytime some one want to do a book or a web page.


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What is the source of your claim that the Japanese used chemical and biological weapons on those balloons? Please list chapter and verse
.

I have closed the book and my eyes are tired - as I said - send me an address and I will copy it and mail it to you. It was a great fear, but they turned out only to be something else....supposedly.

As for your racist remarks - take them and shove them where they will do you the most good.

This is something Duane and I had in common. I was born in 1940 and our schools were not segrated, but I was taught they were human just with a different color skin like other people all over the world. Duane never had one word bad to say about a persons color - he was color blind in that way...I never heard him use the "N" word - not ever.

The articles I have quoted are real and they did exist - perhaps they are no longer on the WEB as they used to be but they did and do exist and I made hard copies.


skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 10:20 PM
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No more guesses, hints, and baits, come straight out with it.

Duane's failure to perform, in two services, do not add up as some one capable of pulling this off.

SO what if he was in a unit for training, and never finished with, that was called a CW unit.

I was a member of the 75th RGR RGMT (ABN) when I started my career, I am not Ranger qualified (broken ankle). But my record still shows the 75th as a unit I was assigned too.

So, stop hinting, and come straight out with it.

I don't think it adds up. I think it is just many criminal items coming to light after death, and being strung together for "closer".

Sorry, it is harsh, but that is what i feel it is. You got duped by a petty criminal and identity thief, and now are trying to figure out the whys of it.

Matt

Now you are sounding like the FBI and until you see the STUFF it doesn't make sense and it takes days to go thru all of the stuff.

As for the Army stint it is NOT just the designation it is the letter John gave to me that Duane wrote his mother. The FBI didn't even bother to read the letter. Duane talks about the chemical end of this being ok.
His Uncle helped develope the damn stuff in WWI - he was a chemist...this has been proven by a forensic genealogists...who was trying to HOAX me (without my knowledge) and gave up after 2 yrs and decided to HELP me. When I was contacted it scared the crap out of me - I thought this person was a fraud or someone trying to steal my ID.
This person was for real and connected to a very very large university.

The papers even give the DATE the government requested the Uncle's services again and he did CS work for them in the chemical end of it when the BOMBS came into the N.W. That brief service ended when the Bomb thing ended. Duane's time in WA was during this same time frame. Duane told me about it and it turned out to be just like he said...he was there.

There is one thing about it I am not a BOB KNOSS. I am just not able to scan documents and I have approx 17 ft of paper trails along with the next 7 yrs having been kept on disks. I have to keep a storage unit for some of it....since I am getting ready to downsize and had to cut the clutter to get my home on the market.


RobertMBlevins

Jul 7, 2012, 10:59 PM
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I am no longer a big fan of this thread (duh, I know) but I feel obligated to discuss a phone call and an email I received today from Doug Kenck-Crispin at Oregon Historian. That's the website where a lot of Cooper stuff takes place in the real world, mostly around Portland.

Doug says that Galen Cook is making an appearance down there soon. He also asked me what I thought of Cook's claims. Let's just say I was polite...but unbelieving. I sent him the PDF to Blast, a few pictures, and left it at that. Anyway, if any of you gung-ho Cooper Investigators want a chance to ask Mr Cook the hard questions on his claims, you can find out which tavern to show up at near the end of the month.

Details are at the website I linked above.

Crispin says that Cook will be mostly discussing the Cooper Notes that were sent to different media. Fine and dandy. Although I won't be going to this event, I suggest anyone who does ask Cook the following question:

Quote:
'Since William Gossett was an active-duty non-commissioned officer in the US Army at the time of the hijacking...have you attempted to discover WHERE HE WAS at the time of the crime?'

There ARE duty logs, etc. Smile

On second thought, I know where the Jack London Bar is in Portland, and I see I am not particularly busy on July 25th, 2012 at 7:30 PM.

I think I will attend after all. I only have ONE question anyway. Wink


skyjack71

Jul 7, 2012, 11:05 PM
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 I wonder if the Libary can still get the book after 12 yrs.

Information dated 3/25/2000 as a summary of the book:

McNeil - Stilicoon Prison:
The black smokejumpers trained near Portland Or and did not go to Pendleton until later.


Stilicoon used prisoner for road work and forestry work. May of 1945 right after Duane was placed on parole - they inlisted them to help the firefighters - which were at that time Not called the Triple Nickles on a classified mission. The battalion left Camp HACKELL for Oregon.
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Sept. 1944
Portland Or dateline headed "Firefighter use Parachutes" The story reported that "Crew have been dropped by parachute to fight many areas of the Northwest". A blistering summer sun indirectly caused fire in six areas in the last 48 hours. An eight man unit crew was dropped to fight a blaze in the Lost Hors Country of Idaho.

Other Parchutist were in the back woods of Chelan National Forest a 300 acre fire. A strange object on the ground from the air proved to be a Japanese bomb that had traveled across the Pacific on Hydrogen-filled ballons.
It would remain a TIGHTLY guarded secret for a time.


Nov 44 fear of these balloon contained chemical-biological warfare devices. (Remember Duane was on CW RGNT in the army training). The 555 Parachute infantry battalion had acquired the nick name "Smoke Jumpers". The WA. OR project became known as "Operation Firefly", and these teams rushed to forest fires and areas where there were suspected Japanese Bombs. FIREFIGHING was entirely a new experince for them.

Most of these jumpers had been trained at Ft Benning and were BLACK.

This was in a book about Stilicoon Prison (McNeil) The Pensacola Library acquired for me on loan. I could not remove it from the library.

What is the chance that with what Duane told me about Ft. Benning that he did NOT know some of these guys and with his Uncle being connected to CW and his short connection to CW that he did not become part of a ground crew...provided by the prison to assist them.

Since the Bonneville facility house some prisoners who worked the forestry - remember Duane was very familiar with the facility and spoke as though he had stayed there - (the people in Washougal told me there was always something going on there and the locals never knew what it was). I spoke to several individuals in the area and all told me the same thing.


Robert99

Jul 8, 2012, 12:08 AM
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R99 writes:

There was no media censorship on information about the balloon bombs until after Newsweek magazine published an article on the subject in their January 1, 1945 issue. This is in the link that Mrshutter provided earlier about the balloon bombs.

Jo replies:

BULL it is well known they kept it secret for sometime and they didn't leaked it to the public in the beginning. It would have caused a panic. All of this is in that same damn article and in a very old book if your library can even find a copy of it. Like the Cooper case - detail get changed everytime some one want to do a book or a web page.

Jo, Quote your sources if you have any.

Let me repeat, there was NO panic among those of us who acually saw the balloon bombs pass overhead.

Ten year old kids are not afraid of anything!

And again, there was not any media censorship by the US Government about these balloon bombs until after the Newsweek article in their 01-01-1945 issue.

In addition to almost everything else you have been writing these past few days, I doubt that Duane had anything to do with the Bonneville Dam.

Grand Coulee Dam was conducting routine visitor tours during this same period. I was in one of those tour groups and only saw a few policemen, all civilians, each armed with a single 38 pistol (a six shooter). The only security that I could see was that the group was counted as it passed from one area of the dam to another.

If you want your claims to be believed, you should start posting sources that can actually be located. You and Knoss are in the same boat in that respect.

Robert99


BobKnoss

Jul 8, 2012, 7:25 AM
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"You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true.

Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable.

It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing.

So by 1630 CDT, post the scans.

Tick tick tick tick... "
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Matt Cline: You have proven yourself totally untrustworthy of handling sensitive information. Retarded is a polite term that I used in the past, but there is no good term to describe your opinionated attacks on the truth from Jo and me. Your complete lack of knowledge and assumption of planted evidence and false testimony is exemplatory of counter-intelligence at work. You definitely can not be trusted with my documents. They are bona facia evidence that support everything I have said. You would absolutely attempt to use them as "more character assassination evidence" against me. You are as predictable as your, "tick-tick-tick." I'd really like to carry on a discussion with a Mensa group instead of a Minstrel group. (Picture a bandwagon pulled by an official chicken-shit FBI cover-up crew. Picture Jo being towed behind in a Red Flier wagon, waving and throwing suckers to all the onlookers.) It would appear the Canadian Mounted Police made a prior entry in force, based on the residual evidence, or was it the Cooper bandwagon that generated that stenchful litter? Pretty obvious to everyone what the answer to that one is. Used oats cast no votes. Truth talks, horse shit walks.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Jul 8, 2012, 8:26 AM
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"You made this post just hours ago. Since we all know you can scan and attach items to your posts, I challenge you to prove this statement of 50 pages to be true.

Scan them, so they are legible, and post them in the next six hours, or accept that we will add this "50 pages" statement to the rest of the fact-less fable.

It does not serve your "cause" to call Jo a liar. It speaks to the Kettle/pot thing.

So by 1630 CDT, post the scans.

Tick tick tick tick... "
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Matt Cline: You have proven yourself totally untrustworthy of handling sensitive information. Retarded is a polite term that I used in the past, but there is no good term to describe your opinionated attacks on the truth from Jo and me. Your complete lack of knowledge and assumption of planted evidence and false testimony is exemplatory of counter-intelligence at work. You definitely can not be trusted with my documents. They are bona facia evidence that support everything I have said. You would absolutely attempt to use them as "more character assassination evidence" against me. You are as predictable as your, "tick-tick-tick." I'd really like to carry on a discussion with a Mensa group instead of a Minstrel group. (Picture a bandwagon pulled by an official chicken-shit FBI cover-up crew. Picture Jo being towed behind in a Red Flier wagon, waving and throwing suckers to all the onlookers.) It would appear the Canadian Mounted Police made a prior entry in force, based on the residual evidence, or was it the Cooper bandwagon that generated that stenchful litter? Pretty obvious to everyone what the answer to that one is. Used oats cast no votes. Truth talks, horse shit walks.

Then you should walk.

You can't answer the direct question, because you lied. There are no notes. It was a lie, you got caught, again, simple.

I have held a security clearance far higher than you, since you never held one, any would be higher I suppose. That process alone, is why I know your story to be farce and so laughable.

And even if there was 50 pages of hand written notes, they would amount to nothing. Modern science would prove they didn't happen to be written at the right time, and would not have been from the none existent project. That is called a forgery in the art world.

That whole response above was just more of your fantasy, and is drivel. Plus you had to resort to name calling, very grade school play ground. Remember resorting to name calling and insults is a indicator of a lack of character, intelligence, and facts, to bring to the discussion.

Chief is laughing so hard, breathing is difficult.

At least Jo is proving, with evidence, where her ideas and notions come from, and as she does disproving your "case", BTW.

Jo's case at least makes a bit of sense, but I think Duane may have known, or thought he knew, the Suspect, not actually have been the suspect, the drawing of the suspect and Duane are just too far off. Plus, just being around those trained in some activity doesn't mean you able to do that activity. And of course it could all be coincidence, and mean nothing at all.

Matt


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