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bozo  (D 10154)

Dec 21, 2007, 2:42 PM
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[I need for the 'Old Timers' to tell me if that is true. I wanted to hear it from more than one source and why I asked the Old Timers to respond.

I responded and you ignored me. Oh well.


mark  (D 6108)

Dec 21, 2007, 3:15 PM
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I asked the Old Timers to respond.

How old do I have to be to qualify?

The Navy never has run jump schools to see if their recruits were Army material.

The US Army Parachute Test Platoon validated the airborne concept in August 1940. The first airborne regiment (the 501st) wasn't formed until 1942, too late for even a motivated pre-Seal to join before getting court-martialed. The first jump school was organized at Fort Benning, Georgia in 1942.

Also, the pre-requisite for smoke jumper is experience as a wildland firefighter. Any documentation of firefighting experience?

Mark


low_pull1

Dec 21, 2007, 6:04 PM
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and he sends photo of himself "all dressed up" in uniform
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Do you have the photo? The uniform would have jump wings on it??

edited: The photo would not have wings if the 501s wasent formed until 1942


(This post was edited by low_pull1 on Dec 21, 2007, 6:19 PM)






redlegphi  (A License)

Dec 22, 2007, 7:00 AM
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Columbus is the home of Fort Benning, which, in turn, is the home of the US Army Airborne School. As far as I can remember, all of the DZs at Benning are on the other side of the river (in Alabama). Was he pointing towards Alabama when he said "Over there is where we used to jump."?
Also, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that he was not only allowed into the Army after being discharged from the Navy, but that he was made a paratrooper.




Orange1  (B 2638)

Dec 23, 2007, 6:17 AM
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Also - please note this --- in the 80's we went to Al. and we had to go thru Columbus for something...Duane took a swing South on the Georgia side and I do not remember how far we went, but he made this statement which I have told about before... and what he told me didn't make sense and now with this it makes less sense.

... After this he points to an area - and said "Over there is were we used to jump".

Jo, I don't recall you having posted this before? Forgive me if I have forgotten if you did, but if you hadn't... why wait till now, and why theorize about possible prison programs etc before posting this? Surely this comment would have been important enough to put in your very first post rather than waiting so very long?


redlegphi  (A License)

Dec 23, 2007, 10:47 AM
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I honestly don't think military paratrooper training matters one way or another. Static line jumps out of a C47 aren't anywhere close to a freefall out of a passenger jet. At most, military training would let him know what he didn't know about skydiving and would cause him to go get civilian training. I think putting him at a civvie DZ is really the important part, from a jumping factor.


mark  (D 6108)

Dec 23, 2007, 11:02 AM
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I honestly don't think military paratrooper training matters one way or another. Static line jumps out of a C47 aren't anywhere close to a freefall out of a passenger jet. At most, military training would let him know what he didn't know about skydiving and would cause him to go get civilian training. I think putting him at a civvie DZ is really the important part, from a jumping factor.

That would be true for smoke-jumper training as well.

Mark


Orange1  (B 2638)

Dec 23, 2007, 2:08 PM
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I think putting him at a civvie DZ is really the important part, from a jumping factor.

agreed, but so far (and it's been a very long thread in terms of both time and # of posts) we don't have him near any type of parachute at all Crazy ...






ltdiver  (D 20506)

Dec 25, 2007, 9:46 AM
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Merry Christmas, Jo! Smile

Lori




Ckret

Dec 31, 2007, 11:02 AM
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http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec07/dbcooper123107.html


bozo  (D 10154)

Dec 31, 2007, 2:10 PM
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http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec07/dbcooper123107.html
Cooper was no expert skydiver. We originally thought Cooper was an experienced jumper, perhaps even a paratrooper, says Special Agent Carr. We concluded after a few years this was simply not true. No experienced parachutist would have jumped in the pitch-black night, in the rain, with a 200-mile-an-hour wind in his face, wearing loafers and a trench coat. It was simply too risky.
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Ckret, I thought you had your shit together. If you wrote this you still dont have a clue about skydiving nor skydivers. Dude....its all about the risk.


Ckret

Dec 31, 2007, 3:38 PM
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I saw "Point Break."

I don't know the history of sport jumping, however, from the investigation in 1971 it was determined there would be few if any 45 to 50 year old's at a drop zone chasing the high. it is for this reason and many others that we came to the conclusion he is not one of you.

I am sure it is much different today, I am sure the sport is full of the over 40 group.


bozo  (D 10154)

Dec 31, 2007, 4:02 PM
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I saw "Point Break."
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Is this what you have based your skydiving knowledge on ??????? Get serious.
I hope youre kidding.
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I don't know the history of sport jumping, however, from the investigation in 1971 it was determined there would be few if any 45 to 50 year old's at a drop zone chasing the high. it is for this reason and many others that we came to the conclusion he is not one of you.
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And....thats one of the reasons youve never caught him.
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I am sure it is much different today, I am sure the sport is full of the over 40 group.
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I'm way over 40.


stratostar  (Student)

Dec 31, 2007, 4:09 PM
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I'm way over 40.

Yea and your idea of "chasing the high" is jump rope'n with your walker and playing grab ass on the nurses down @ the VA...........LaughLaughLaughTongue


bozo  (D 10154)

Dec 31, 2007, 4:20 PM
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Quote:
I'm way over 40.

Yea and your idea of "chasing the high" is jump rope'n with your walker and playing grab ass on the nurses down @ the VA...........LaughLaughLaughTongue


Ya just had to come and out me dint ya ? Wink


Guru312  (C 6814)

Dec 31, 2007, 4:21 PM
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I'm way over 40.

And I am way, way over 40.

Oh, and I'm still not DB Cooper.


Ckret

Dec 31, 2007, 7:15 PM
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yes I am kidding about the movie.

Bozo, maybe you posted and I missed it in this very long thread, but what information can you provide that points to Cooper being a sport jumper or a paratrooper. The whole point in going public was to get information and a new perspective.


labrys  (D 29848)

Dec 31, 2007, 7:28 PM
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This sport sees more than it's share of people doing things way over their abilities and training doing things they have no business doing all the time and I'm guessing that was as true 35 years ago as it is now.

Why would it be that far out of line to imagine a guy with no formal training but 1 or maybe 2 static line jumps thinking that they could manage to pull a ripcord and live? Someone with the balls to hijack a plane might have the balls to jump without a lot of practice, right?


Zing  (D 6343)

Dec 31, 2007, 7:38 PM
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Well, here's a perspective on Cooper being an experienced (to some degree) jumper.
An experienced jumper who hijacked an airliner in 1971 and requested specific sport-type gear (meaning a sport main and reserve parachute system) would realize that that action would point investigators toward looking for an experienced jumper. A relatively small population to sort through at that time.
At the same time, an experienced jumper would know that asking for multiple parachutes would get him a selection of gear, and he'd know that an emergency backpack rig, like an NB6 would suffice to make the leap.
I'd have no problems going off the airstair door of that airplane at 10 grand, 200 mph, in the dark with an NB6 emergency rig with a 26' Navy conical in it ... no prob at all for $200,000 1971 dollars.
Since neither harness was equipped with front-mount D-rings for a sport reserve, I'd cut up the good one to get the cords I need to secure the money, and I'd toss the phony front-mount training reserve out the door to make the cops think I bounced.
I could go on, but still I think Cooper's hijack plan was much better thought out than the FBI and a lot of jumpers choose to believe. I also think it more likely that he survived the jump than that he bounced.


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