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steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 6, 2002, 2:35 PM
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I was just wondering if anyone had a scary jump story from way back when? Steve1


quatorze  (A 39233)

Nov 6, 2002, 5:54 PM
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Not me personally but my Dad tells of when he was jumping in Colorado. There was a fellow jumper who would gear up and ride his motorcycle to the DZ. One day this jumper was cruising along on his bike about 50 mph and decided to see how long it would take for him to slow down if he popped his ParaComander.... well everyone who just had a shiver and a snicker run through them is right. The next thing the guy siad he remembers is looking at his motorcycle between his feet as it rode on down the road with out him. Now I don't know about you, but once I realized that I survived the afore mentioned incident I would a have calmly packed my rig and let the secret die with me. Not our friend, the rocket scientist, he comes to the DZ and tells his friends, " No shit, there I was...."

Not a skydiving story, but related and always good for a laugh when my Dad drops by the DZ for a beer.

Cheers
Christian


ernokaikkonen  (D 12)

Nov 7, 2002, 5:15 AM
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> Now I don't know about you, but once I realized that
>I survived the afore mentioned incident I would a have
>calmly packed my rig and let the secret die with me.

Dude! What's the point of stupid fuck-ups if you can't share them with your buddies?? Of course you tell your friends. And proudly embellish the story a little.Tongue


Kirils  (D License)

Nov 7, 2002, 6:11 AM
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Back in 1969 My buddy and I took turns jumping from his fathers "borrowed" C-150. We shared an army surplus t-10 rig and did low altitude jumps.
We took advantage of every opportunity possible, which included poor visability and windy days. One overcast and windy morning I dropped out and pulled at 2G. The wind quickly took me over the nearby reservoir. I was terrified as I saw myself approaching the icy cold water. I did not know how to swim at the time! My boots touched the surface and stopped my descent in only 8 inches of water. I had landed on a small submersed sand bar! A fisherman in a nearby rowboat came to my rescue.


steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 7, 2002, 7:52 AM
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Quatorze,
I remember a friend who used to race his morocycle to the DZ with a rig on his back. I often wondered what would happen if it opened.

I think one of the stupider things I have ever done is try to kick a dead cat in the road going about 40 on motorcycle. I never claimed to be too bright. Steve1


steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 7, 2002, 8:11 AM
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Back in the olden days a really experienced jumper might have three or four hundred jumps. In fact I didn't know anyone in our club who had more than about 500. In the early 70's we were able to order up twin beach or DC-3 from the smoke-jumper center at a low price. All we had to do was give them a call when we had enough jumpers. I remember lots of big way attempts with a DC-3 load of people, where a lot of the jumpers had less than a 100 jumps. None of us had automatic openers. Remember now, a big-way back then was anything over about 12 people. The world record formation then was about 30 people. The exits were often so strung out that at times you had to really strain your eyes to see where the star was building. It wasn't uncommon to have someone slam into you as you tracked toward the star. But you know no one ever bounced in the twenty five years our club was in Missoula. There were plenty of close calls and one mid-air plane collision that killed several people, but it was a miracle more didn't die back then. Hot gear back then was a B-12 container with a para-commander, Some people had pig rigs, everyone wore motorcycle helmets, and french jump boots. (hows that for a scary story). Steve1


steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 7, 2002, 10:18 AM
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Back in the 70's our DZ was about a 1/2 mile from our hanger, at the airport where we packed and took off from. When a load exited we would often watch from a distance. One day a girl left the plane and kept falling and falling and no one saw a canopy open. Everyone knew she had just burned in. Everyone jumped into vehicles and went racing over there. Apparently she had opened in a dip in the field and no one could see her canopy. Her only reply was, "I guess I was kinda low, huh." I don't think she realized how close she had come to death's door. This is how the story was told to me. Hopefully it's true. Steve1


steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 7, 2002, 2:27 PM
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We had a jump pilot back in the 70's who was an all around good guy. One winter Craig (the pilot) was shooting coyotes out of a farmers cessna. He asked me one day if I wanted to go along and shoot a 12 gauge out of the door, while he flew. I couldn't make it that day, but wished him the best. A few days later I heard that he had crashed. Apparently he and another guy spotted two coyotes. They flew over the one and got him. They circled back and were just about to shoot the other one when they hit the side of the mountain. The plane was totaled and they both ended up in the hospital. Then the Fish & Game gave them a ticket for illegal shooting from an aircraft. The next time I saw him was at a jump party. He was standing there with a cane and had two black eyes. The first thing he said was, "You still want to go coyote hunting?"

But that's not the end of the story. I kind of lost track of Craig over the years. Then one day I read his obituary in the paper. All it said was that he was killed down in Texas. Come to find out he had been flying guns down into Mexico. Someone murdered him on a gun deal gone sour, and threw his body down an out house. Too bad, he was a great guy. I never would have thought he'd get tangled up in something like that. Steve1


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Nov 7, 2002, 3:13 PM
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Steve, you've obviously done or been involved in far too many scary things.... But this is pretty scary:

http://www.dropzone.com/...i?post=271512#271512

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While I missed it, the pilot at Turners Falls SPC in the late 1970's flew the Beech under one of the bridges, legend had it. He was definitely crazy enough and physically skilled enough to have done it, too...

Wendy W.


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billbooth  (D 3546)

Nov 8, 2002, 9:13 AM
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      Although I made my first jump in 1969 on a 28' round, with a front mount reserve, with no pilot chute in it, no automatic opener, no RSL, and only about two hours training, I wasn't scared a bit. (Probably because I was 18 years old, and invincible.) What did scare the hell out of me though, was when I found out some 30 years later, that my instructor only had 6 jumps when he trained me.

I hit the ground so hard, it knocked me clean out...and when I woke up, I was greeted with the unbelieable sight of my jumpmaster trying to get my canopy back from a cow, which was in the process of EATING it. We got it back, patched up the new holes with more duct tape, and packed it up for my next jump.

Students nowadays have it far too easy, if you ask me.


flyhi  (D License)

Nov 8, 2002, 10:43 AM
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Learned to jump with the Trojan Sport Parachute Club at Fort Devens, MA. Then, the Army supported us by giving us a Huey for one fuel load once a month. Not wanting to stay too long, the pilots would give us one sortie, but not shut down between loads.

There was usually only about 10 or so jumping and we wanted to maximize our number of jumps. To do this, we would pack club rigs in addition to our own. In that way, we could get three or four jumps.

I remember going to the club one Wednesday of the week for our monthly Huey and packing one of the club PC's for me. The last step was placing the ripcord in the harness pocket. When I got to that point, I realized that the elastic around the pocket was stretched so many times, that it would not hold the ripcord. Being innovative, I put the ripcord in the pocket, and picked up a roll of masking tape. I wasn't too worried since it was government masking tape and not that strong. Of course to compensate, I used two wraps of it around the harness and through the handle, basically ensuring it wouldn't come out.

Because it was a military drop zone (Turner DZ, if anyone remembers), we had to go through a JM equipment inspection. When he came to me, he looked at the tape and asked if I really thought it was good idea. I told him it was better than having the ripcord floating free. He agreed and sent me off toward the helo.

Climbed to altitude (7500 was all we got back then), spotted and went out. Got to 2500 feet and pulled. The tape tore easily and the parachute deployed. Never had any doubts. Things were different back then.


Designer  (D 5771)

Nov 9, 2002, 6:33 PM
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OH Man,mine would curl your hair!Some of the stuff we did,I personally saw people do on or before we got into airplanes would scare the crap out of ya,NO THANKS!


skypuppy  (D 347)

Nov 10, 2002, 9:52 PM
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There was a case in the old days in Ontario when the pilot stalled the jump plane on jump run... He was the first one out the door. The jumpmaster followed him, leaving a B-licenced jumper to dispatch the two students in the plane.... The plane recovered and did a slow descent till it crashed not far from the dz.


skypuppy  (D 347)

Nov 10, 2002, 10:22 PM
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I went up with some friends back in the '80's to do a back-to-back-to-back - something we thought had never been done. This meant a 3-way freefall formation, followed by a 3-stack, after which we'd cutaway and do another 3-way before dumping our (round) reserves...

We meant to follow the rules, and so wore 2nd reserves on our harnesses... Things went all right in the initial freefall but we were slow getting our triplane together... by the time we were flying where we wanted to be we were below 4k, but we decided to continue...

We cut away one after the other in order to ensure the top jumpers feet cleared the lines before the next cutaway... I was the bottom, cutting away last... the other two were quite a ways below as I dove down...

At one point I saw Anvil come out of his dive, almost stop and I thought maybe they're going to dump, but he kept falling, so I kept diving past at Hawkeye, the low man...

I realised Anvil had given up as we went thru 1500', but Hawkeye was still falling so I kept going... I mean, we were using our reserves anyways...

Around 1000' I came out level and in front of Hawkeye and I wondered if he really wanted to do this or not... Hawkeye had black hair and a full black beard, and as I looked over at him 15 or 20 feet away, all I could see was his white teeth gleaming amongst all that black hair... He wanted to hook up too!!!

We flew together and hooked up about 700' a little offset so we just kept on going past each other into a track... Looking at the rye field below me I saw we were real low, and reached to dump... The handle wasn't there!!! Glancing down, I saw the weight of the 2nd (front-mounted) reserve had dragged my harness down a little on the first opening, before we did our stack... I refocused and pulled the handle...

I felt the reserve go out (Strong Lopo, with a diaper), but it wasn't slowing me down... Looking at the field below, I saw one spot below me from which waves were radiating out like a pond after you toss a pebble into it... I thought this was it - I could hear the people back at the dz saying 'he bit off more than he could chew this time!'... I could see my girlfriend's face in that one spot on the field that wasn't moving...

Then the diaper released and the reserve cracked open... I heard all screaming 'Yee-haww!!! Did you see that rye field???' Looking around, he was about 75' above and behind me... I started to turn 270 degrees (away from the 4-bush and around into the wind) but I didn't quite get all the way around before I landed... We were about a quarter mile from the dz.

After landing I gathered up my reserve and tried to stop shaking... Al came up and said 'Man, are we ever going to get shit! But man! Skypuppy, that was some jump!'

We walked back to the dz... Everyone was abuzz talking about us - some rushed up to congratulate us - they seemed to think we'd planned to open low! I say again, we planned to do the jump safely, but we seemed to be always too slow at each step, and we kept deciding to go keep trying instead of giving up and dumping... Like I said, we knew we going to use our reserves!!!

The DZO was out walking the runway when we got back... He'd seen too many people from that perspective who hadn't made it to be able to talk right away... When he got back we were grounded for a month, but we had to continue coming to the dz on weekends anyway, just so we'd hurt... The whole jump was on ground-to-air video, and if he heard of us jumping at another dz before the month was up, the tape would be sent to the national organization for action... Otherwise it would be destroyed...

I often wished I had a copy of that tape... BTW I really got shit from my girlfriend after that... I thought she'd happy I was still alive, but she really tore me a new one...

I've done BASE jumps from lower then that opening, but I've never seen anything since that looked like that ryefield did at terminal at about 300', after you've pulled everything you can pull and it still hasn't happened....

Blue ones...

Skypuppy BASE92


pilotdave  (D License)

Nov 11, 2002, 8:30 AM
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I heard one which I don't think I'd believe except that I heard it from a guy that was there, so I'm pretty sure it's true. The guy that told me the story was a jumper at Orange, MA back in the 60s (and hasn't jumped since the 60s). On one jump he was on a load with his brother and a student. His brother went first and he watched. He saw him deploy, but the canopy just streamered all the way down. He landed in the woods and just went right through the treetops and out of site. Realizing that he just witnessed his brother's death, he was just a tad freaked out. The student asked what happened, and he replied that it was nothing and off the student went. He had the pilot climb a little higher, then jumped himself. He drifted away from the DZ and was aiming to land on a golf course. As he touched down, a car came flying toward him honking the horn. The peole in the car were yelling "he's alive! he's alive!"

Turned out what happened is his canopy snagged on a tree. It bent the trunk over and he literally swung all the way around it, shredding his jumpsuit. His helmet fell down over his eyes. Someone nearby heard the crack of the tree breaking and came running out. The jumper was hanging from the tree not moving. The guy yelled up to him "are you ok??" He replied, "Am I dead? I can't see anything..." The guy told him to take the helmet off.

He ended up with nothing but scratches. When his brother (the guy that told me the story) got to him, he asked if he wanted to go to the hospital. He said "No. i want to go to a bar!"

Times were different. Thank goodness they've changed!

Dave


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steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 11, 2002, 8:32 AM
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Jim Ledbettor was one of the most experienced jumpers in our club back in the later 60's and early 70's. One day they went up to jump out of a cessna. He was sitting next to the door. A plane with a low wing came out of the sky above them and slammed into their jump plane. Jim and another girl were thrown free and ended up with open canopies. He didn't know if he had pulled or if the impact opened his chute for him. The girl had most of her head missing so the impact must have opened hers. Everyone was killed except Jim. He landed over the middle of Missoula in Loyola football field. Jim ended up in the hospital for several days, but was mostly unhurt. He was suffering from a lot of guilt though. Being the senior jumper he blamed himself somehow for what happened.

He again started jumping and things were going well until one day he had a hard pull and couldn't open his main. He opened his belly reserve going terminal and had a severely hard opening. He looked up to see his reserve full of holes. He rode this in and hurt his back. He ended up in the hospital again.

His wife finally talked him into giving up jumping, so he started flying his airplane a lot more than he had in the past. One snowy morning I remember waking up to a story on the news of a plane crash where all on board were killed. Jim was that pilot. He finally ran out of luck. Steve1


christoofar  (A 40633)

Nov 13, 2002, 1:37 PM
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Not me personally but my Dad tells of when he was jumping in Colorado. There was a fellow jumper who would gear up and ride his motorcycle to the DZ. One day this jumper was cruising along on his bike about 50 mph and decided to see how long it would take for him to slow down if he popped his ParaComander.... well everyone who just had a shiver and a snicker run through them is right. The next thing the guy siad he remembers is looking at his motorcycle between his feet as it rode on down the road with out him. Now I don't know about you, but once I realized that I survived the afore mentioned incident I would a have calmly packed my rig and let the secret die with me. Not our friend, the rocket scientist, he comes to the DZ and tells his friends, " No shit, there I was...."

Not a skydiving story, but related and always good for a laugh when my Dad drops by the DZ for a beer.

Cheers
Christian


And think...

If this happened BEFORE you were born... the little spermie he donated wouldn't have been there to create YOU!

You OWE your existence to a paracommander!!! LaughShocked


JDBoston  (D 26450)

Nov 14, 2002, 9:47 AM
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I think we have a winner.

Joe


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Nov 17, 2002, 5:43 PM
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well...... No _ _ _ _ !! there I was....Shocked...
check out post # 10 under heading "the truth about the para commander...." ( I had a R 3... release on me,,,,, upon landing....)
I also did a night jump 2 years ago where due to low/no winds a North bound landing pattern
had been established at the briefing.........I
was set up on final about 100 feet or so off the ground,,, when I caught sight of a flashing light off to my right,,and slightly ahead of me , coming basically right at me.......
front risered and shot through the "airspace of conflict" about 2 seconds before the novice night jumper came through the same chunk of air...He ate some of my "vortex" but made it through and landed off to my left and rear... When reminded of our plan to land North bound,,, he said,,,, "I thought I WAS going Northbound" hahahaWink One of the instructors on the load barked at the guy pretty good,,, I was just happy that I resisted the impulse to crank a low turn,,,,,. I was moderately scared but the other dude must have been really shaken,,,,,,,He only had under 100 jumps and said he only saw me after I streaked "in front" of him.....NEVER have seen that kid again......hope he's still skydivin'UnimpressedUnimpressed


billbooth  (D 3546)

Nov 18, 2002, 1:51 PM
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Turn back the clock to 1970. We all jumped Para Commanders. To keep the heavy spring loaded pilot chutes and sleeves out of the "turn windows" on top of the PC, we used 30 foot long bridle lines. This kept the "glob" of sleeve and pilot chute trailing way behind the canopy.

It was a normal rainy day in South Florida, and I remember thinking how hard it was to pack because everything was damp. Anyway, however it happened, two guys made a close pass to each other under canopy, and as they turned off, the ends of their bridles got tangled. There they were, at about 1500 feet, 50 feet apart, slowly rotating around each other.

The wind was light, so from the ground we heard one of them yell, "Fred, we're tangled. You'd better cutaway," Much to everyones delight, Fred hollered back, "F*** You John, You cutaway!"

This dialogue continued as we watched this "dynamic duo", totally oblivious to where they were going, rotate right over the 128,000 volt, high tension lines that went down the road adjoining the DZ. As luck would have it, one went on the near side of the power lines, and the other on the far side... And when we all got there, were suspended about 5 feet off the ground by their entangled bridles...believe it or not, beating on each other, and yelling,"You should have cut away...NO, YOU should have cutaway!"

There was nothing we could do, because if anyone touched them, we would complete the circuit to the ground. "Guys", I yelled from a safe distance, "Cut it out, and take a look at where you are." They both looked down, and then up at their smoking canopies, in the buzzing wires. They immediately shut up, and gave each other great big bear hugs, holding on for dear life. It was obvious that both of them needed to cutaway simultaneously, and soon...or they were fried. (I think "crispy critters" is the term the power company guy who showed up later to retrieve the melted canopies used.) If one of them was ahead of the other, by even one second, they were both dead.

Now remember, there were no 3-rings yet, and Capewells took 4 separate motions to release both risers. We all knew that getting two risers to go simultaneously was hard...so four risers releasing at once was, shall we say...highly unlikely. But with no other choice, they very carefully opened the safety covers, and put both thumbs in the cable rings...For the moment, the best of buddies, for their lives truly depended on each other.

I said, "Alright, I'll count to three. "One...Two..."Wait a minute", John screamed, Do we go on three or GO?" As soon as we quit laughing, I said, "On GO". Fortunately, they both cut away perfectly, hitting the ground with a single resounding thud, as their recoiling canopies crossed the wires and exploded in a very expensive fireball, knocking out the power to half the town. It had to be the most interesting canopy relative work I've ever seen.


steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 18, 2002, 8:25 PM
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Bill,
Great jump story! The thirty foot retainer lines bring back memories. The only two malfunctions that I had on my para-commander were both caused by having too short of a retainer line. Just as you mentioned, my sleeve and pilot chute tangled up in the modifications. It took me a while to figure out what was wrong, but I put a longer line on it and didn't have any trouble after that.

The power line story reminds me of Fred Sands (Owner of Lost Prairie). Back in about 74 he had a malfunction on his para-commander. He cut away and opened his round reserve. I can't recall the size, but I think it was modified. At any rate he ended up going through the power lines. He touched one line but fortunately missed the other. On the older power lines two wires were close together and one was a little further apart. He went through the wider space. If he had touched both, he would have been fried. He really lucked out that day. Steve1


pack40  (Student)

Nov 19, 2002, 5:12 AM
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Scary stories from Hungary:

We have an old ex-instructor in our skydiving club.
Many years ago he was a jumpmaster in a load.
Most of the novice jumpers whom he had taken up had 5-15 jumps.
So, he opens the door (Antonov An-2) directs the plane, looks back to the jumpers and says: "Bye-bye guys, you know how to jump out!" and jumps out!

There was another story quite Urban (Skydiving) Legend but might be true.

Military jump from a helicopter (Mi-2 or Mi-8) in the 60s or 70s. One experienced sergeant sits next to the door and falls asleep during the ride up. However they cancell the jump. The helicopter lands, but the engines (rotors) are still running. Somebody yells at the sergeant:
"Comrade Sergeant, JUMP!" The man quickly wakes up and with the same motion throws himself out.
Landing on the grass runway in a perfect arch!

Might not be true but its funny.


skypuppy  (D 347)

Nov 25, 2002, 9:08 PM
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This one reminds me of something that happened back in - it must have been '81. We were using round Sierra canopies in Innovator tandem containers (that's two canopy containers, not 2 person systems) for our students on static lines... The risers were set up with an RSL to ensure that the student didn't just cut away the main without pulling the reserve, and they had sentinel AAD's, I believe...

This one student had a lineover malfunction of his round main parachute and opened up spinning, not real fast, but he couldn't control it... As he got lower the spin increased - somewhere around 1500' he seemed to wake up and decide he should do something, so he pulled the cutaway handle.

From his perspective, nothing happened. Watching from the ground though, things got real interesting... The RSL was routed between the two risers of the main, and under the reserve housing... When buddy cutaway, the RSL caught under the back of his hockey helmet, forcing it down over his eyes and putting all his weight on the chin strap... Not being in the exact centre of the RSL, the canopy was further distorted and began spiralling harder.

The reserve pilot chute came out, but still being attached to the main there was not enuf airspeed to pull out the reserve, and it flapped around behind him with the locking bight still holding the reserve flaps closed... He was coming down just on the other side of the driveway, maybe 250 feet from the clubhouse...

At below 200' he decided this wasn't right, grabbed the RSL and pulled it from under the back of his helmet, then letting go and dropping free....

I thought I was going to see a bounce - the only thing that saved him was that the reserve pilot chute somehow had wrapped around the RSL on the descent, and as he fell away from the main, the malfunctioned Sierra acted as a large pilot chute to pull out the reserve before releasing...

He was open under the reserve at the height of the telephone posts along the driveway, landing about 10 or 20 feet into the field... When we got to him he was lying on his back in the field, saying over and over again, "F**k, I'm alive... F**k, I'm alive."

His buddy, who got out on the pass after him, had a more successful jump, other than the fact that ground control forgot about him as the malfunction unfolded, and he ended up landing on the roof of Farmer Love's barn, and sliding down into a pile of manure...

I don't think they ever came back...

Skypuppy


ernokaikkonen  (D 12)

Nov 26, 2002, 3:33 AM
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ShockedLaugh

Oh god, these stories are entertaining to read... Keep 'em coming.Smile


Thom  (D 1903)

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Two from Viet Nam
I was in a group of crazies in 1966-67 called the Saigon Sport Parachute Club jumping at Ap Dong. We used H-34's which is strange cause when you spot you can yell "5 BACK!".

The first incident was a 10,000 footer and at about 4000' I noticed that the DZ was being shelled!!! I seriously wondered if it was worth it to open at all or just get it over with but I wasn't that young or that stupid.

Next was a few weeks later when the crew chief ordered everyone out for some reason. We were down wind over a jungle canopy to the east of the DZ and no way could we get back. I spotted a small clearing maybe 25' in diameter and started towards it with my 28' cheapo. I had to work the target and put my M-45 Swedish 9mm submachine gun together at the same time. I land in the clearing but the canopy was in the trees and I was dangling a foot or so off the ground. I heard people running towards me and I almost shot three kids who came after me to carry gear or whatever formoney or cigarettes. They got my gear out of the tree and when I went to put some ripstop tape on some small tears from the tree, I found two small caliger bullet holes! Don't know when I got them
THOM


steve1  (D 23640)

Nov 28, 2002, 8:53 AM
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Thom,
Those sound like wild and crazy times in "Nam". I was never there but I did make a lot of static line jumps out of H-34's, here in the states, during the 70's. They kind of reminded you of a big grasshopper. I think the marines were about the last soldiers to use them. The Marine Corps always seemed to get the short end of the stick. Steve1


Thom  (D 1903)

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"Thom,
Those sound like wild and crazy times in "Nam".
I was never there but I did make a lot of static
line jumps out of H-34's, here in the states,
during the 70's. They kind of reminded you of a
big grasshopper. I think the marines were
about the last soldiers to use them. The Marine
Corps always seemed to get the short end of
the stick. Steve1"

REPLY:
Lets say the experience was UNIQUE! The DZ was also had as rock so you either did an excellent PLF or stood it up whichwasn't often in that heat and humidty. AP DONG was also the DZ for the Vietnamese 2nd Airborne Division and there was a small triangular fort on the DZ. The chopper could land right next to the packing area but we discourage that for obvious reasons.

Every time we jumped we were plagued by people trying to sell us everything from cokeacola to their daughters and these boys were all over who would field pack for you for a couple of cigarettes. Carry your gear back for another one.

The club had mostly Army in it, and a couple of Navy and Air Force but also some Aussies and American Civilians. The first CrossBow in Viet Nam didn't get jumped more than a few times. An American civilian brought it in and did a hook turn into a tree trunk and the H-34 had to fly him to the 3rd field hospital which left us without a jump ship for several hours.

By the way, the H-34 was Viet in VNAF colors and we paid the pilots a (5th) bottle of Johnny Walker each to fly for us, the chopper was free. I didn't drink so it was usually my ration for 5th's that got used up.

After TET in 1968 the club couldn't get the chopper anymore and the club folded I'm told. Love to hear more from anyone who jumped in Nam.

THOM
Still suffering from Post Traumatic Opening Shock!!Wink


steve1  (D 23640)

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I met a guy back in the 70's who started jumping. He had lost one of his legs due to bone cancer and he did his best to skydive. He finally had to quit though because the landings were just too brutal under round canopies. He kept injuring his only leg ankle and foot. He had all of our respect though. He'd ride a bike all over town, snow ski, kayak, and even skydive, all with one leg. A couple years later he started calling up all his jump buddies to say goodbye. His exact words were, "I'm about to go on the ultimate trip." He was actually joking about his own impending death. Apparently the cancer was spreading throughout the rest of his body. A short while later he died. I'd like to think, I had that kind of guts when my time comes. Steve1


steve1  (D 23640)

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I remember a girl, back in the old days, who started jumping. She was really small and not very strong. She worked her way up from static line to freefall. The only problem was that sometimes she wasn't strong enough to pull her rip cord. On one of her early freefalls she tugged and tugged on her rip cord, but it wouldn't open. Then she focussed all her attention on pulling her belly reserve rip cord, and after several tries it opened. Going to terminal with a reserve back then was no fun, because you would fall to the end of your lines, after the canopy inflated. But she was not quitter. Then the same thing happened a while later (her main wouldn't open, so she started tugging on her reserve until it opened.) So bruised and battered, she began lifting weights and got another rig that was easier to open. (I think one solution they tried was to put some teflon washers around the cones and under the ripcord pins.) Her nickname after all this was "Total". She made hundreds of jumps, and lived happily ever after. (believe it or not it's true) (this is not just another of my big windies)..... Steve1


airtwardo  (D License)

Jan 11, 2003, 3:46 PM
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When asked to sign off a logged jump for someone, if there is time I will often page back a little to get a some background feel of the person.
I'll never forget the last line of the entry on something like jump 50 in this young man's logbook...
"Only had 3 line twists left when I hit the powerlines"
I wonder if he's still with us?!


usedtajump  (D 6813)

May 1, 2003, 10:05 AM
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A 4 way demo into a football field supposed to be from 2500 ft but a cloud deck came in and the highest we could get was 800 ft. I was spotter and looking down thought no way we're going to do this but some impulse made me, like a dumbass, exit the aircraft. I landed with a one minute smoke canister that burned for 40 seconds after I was on the ground. Even the wuffos at the event were shocked and questioned the altitude. Amazingly, the other three guys jumped also and when they landed they were all highly pissed at me because we had jumped from such a low altitude. Everyone on the load knew the altitude and nobody forced anyone to jump. They didn't refuse the money paid them for the demo, thoughSmile


ManBird  (D 28001)

May 1, 2003, 10:19 PM
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How about getting out of a plane at 150' and successfully landing under an open canopy? I watched about four hours of old parchuting, BirdMan, and skydiving footage from British Pathé last night. I saw some amazing things, but I'd love to hear the stories behind some of these jumps.

Respect to anyone that landed a parachute before the PC. You f*¢kers are made of steel.


darkwing  (D 4164)

May 3, 2003, 10:10 AM
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Two items:

#1) We had a hot dog pilot. I used to bitch at him regularly for being too acrobatic. On a cross-country to another DZ in our old Beech D-18 he pretty much flew on the deck most of the way. He had to go up to avoid fences. I just layed down in the back because I was sure I was going to die and I didn't want to see it coming. Returning from the trip at night he did two full barrel rolls with a full load on board. It was pretty, but I still didn't like it.

... By the way, he's dead now.

#2) A similar hot-dog pilot did some zero-g and floated an observer up against the handle on the in-flight door on the C-182 on descent. The passenger fell out. She actually found the ripcord and had about a 2 second canopy ride.


airtwardo  (D License)

May 3, 2003, 10:23 PM
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20 some years ago I went Arizona to compete in the collegiate nationals with a group from my university. After the meet, we decided to drive over to another Az. dropzone that at that time had a bit of, shall I say an 'outlaw' image.
The ten of us wandered around for twenty minutes to kind of get the feel of the place as many jumpers do when they come to a new dropzone. Suddenly the WHAP of impact stops everyone in their tracks...not 30 yards from the clubhouse is a prone figure, no handles pulled. The first remark I heard was from a crusty old salt, with patches all over his jumpsuit covering tears, mismatched shoes, carrying a rig that was a dinosaur even back then....His comment:
" I don't know who spotted that load, but he's good!"
We all looked at each other, headed for the van and left for home, 2500 mile east.
Those Arizona guys were HARD!


steve1  (D 23640)

May 4, 2003, 10:05 AM
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Airwardo this is so sick, but yet so funny! I'm glad I wasn't there that day. I guess I have a sick sense of humor.

This story is second hand, but I guess there was a wuffo who went to a drop zone in the old days to watch. On the very first load that he watched, someone went in. Everyone was sick, except this new guy, who said, "damn I got to try that." He later went on to train and jump.

A lot of people bounced in the old days. I knew some folks who died that way. Luckily I've never been there to see it happen. I don't think that part of jumping would be any fun....Steve1


steve1  (D 23640)

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I knew some guys from Montana, almost 30 years ago, who moved to Arizona to jump. This was before Eloy and Coolage. Most of them were jumping at Casa Grande then. There was B.J. Worth, Hod Sanders, and a guy named Jeff Frangos. Jeff drove around in a black hearse. He called Sky Diving "Sport death". Actually the guy was a cool Dude and not nearly as crazy as all this implies. He may have spent too many years in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot though. At any rate Hod had been on a few loads (in Arizona) where a team-mate went in. I know Casa Grande had a terrible rep back then. Hod's wife Tina, told a story of watching a two way, go in there back in the good ole days. I guess I better quit, I'm starting to scare myself with some of these stories. At any rate is there anyone else out there who jumped in Casa Grande in the 70's? I hope I didn't exaggerate too much on these stories. Most of them I'm telling second hand, and I wasn't there......Steve1


skypuppy  (D 347)

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On my first trip down to Z-hills in '79 we had a crater party for a Canadian girl who'd gone in there within the last couple of years... According to the guys who'd been there, she hit within about 50 yards of the clubhouse... My buddy had spent the night before with this girl, and when she was getting geared up (she was a student) he went into the clubhouse to get an AAD-equipped reserve... When he finally came out with one the rest of the load had gotten impatient and given her one without an AAD and loaded up the DC-3 to jump... She spun in on her back, no pull... This was the fatality that left H***** saying, "I may not have been her first, but I know for damn sure I was her last!!!"

It was sort of scary going down there for the first time with about 19 jumps from a small dz... I remember there was a ding in the eaves of the clubhouse that was pointed out to me - from two guys who ran into each other at a few hundred feet and spun down only to bounce off the roof...


mikkey  (D License)

May 6, 2003, 6:03 AM
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OK - I remember 2 instructors doing a linked 2-way exit at 1000 feet with T-10 static line systems. For fun! Crazy Late 1970's when I first started.


usedtajump  (D 6813)

May 6, 2003, 6:52 AM
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Texas, lake jumps, 1983. A "known base jumper" who was also a regular at our drop zone took a static lined 20' round reserve out of a Cessna 206 going full speed across the lake at 150'. Opened horizontally, swung to vertical immediatly touching down in the water. What balls he had!!


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peckerhead

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Back in 1983 I was doing a 3 way and I was the last one going out of a c-182. I was still in the door (on my knees) when my main deployment bag went out the door and my main inflated over the tail. I had just over 100 jumps and it almost knocked me out.

I cut away and dumped my 22 foot round reserve at around 10,000 feet. I was 19 years old and scarred to death! I could not figure out what had happened, I just reacted.....My main was shreaded, the plane was damaged but he was able to land.

That was a long reserve ride, the uppers were cranking and I landed about 6 miles from the drop zone and was lost for some time. No roads, no help.

I can't believe I still do this.....


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lfhower  (C 5835)

May 8, 2003, 11:02 AM
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Second jump 1966 in the Phillipines out of a Phillipine Air Force C-47 over Canlubang which is a huge sugar plantation with 2 grass strips. My buddy goes out first and I follow, seems like I am going a lot faster than on the first jump, so I look up at a streamering TU7 and the lines are twisting down towards the risers and my buddy's canopy is getting real small real quick. I go for the belly wart reserve borrowed from the club, throw the handle away and let the bungies open the pack. Wham! Am under a small white round of unknown size. It had a pilot chute in it which wasn't supposed to be there for students. I saw the flash of white after the damn thing opened!! As I am hanging from the d-rings on the front, the main starts to fill with air and untwisting. Eventually landed in 15 foot tall sugar cane with both canopies laying on top of the cane. Third jump was clear and pull as I had shown I could pull a rip cord. Sure was exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!


steve1  (D 23640)

May 8, 2003, 12:08 PM
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That story reminds me of this one. Back in the early 70's there was this guy who could fall stable, but he always started spinning out of control. One day he came out to jump and needed a belly reserve. My locker pardner had one, so I loaned it to him. At any rate I was watching from the ground when he left the plane and started spinning. He pulled his main and ended up a perfect streamer. He wasn't trained to do a cut away, and pulled his reserve. Luckily they didn't tangle and the reserve saved his life. Then I realized this was my pardner's reserve that I had loaned him. When he got back to the hangar we discovered that the reserve had multiple burns and holes that needed major repair. This was caused by the reserve deploying against the lines of his main. And the end of the story is, the cheap-skate refused to pay for the repair work......Steve1


fergs  (F 383)

May 9, 2003, 12:19 AM
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[ At any rate is there anyone else out there who jumped in Casa Grande in the 70's? I hope I didn't exaggerate too much on these stories. Most of them I'm telling second hand, and I wasn't there......Steve1
Yeah, I jumped casa Grande in the 70's - it was 1976 and I was on a 3 month jumping vacation around the US. Stayed at Casa Grande (the Gulch) about a week. Evenings after a few beers were entertaining - the locals would take you on a "crater-tour", of the previous bounces. Yes it was a long tour. Someone had "the arm" - a mumified forearm and hand, clutching a ripcord. Ghoulish!!!!

But it was great jumping there - everyone was friendly and visitors were welcomed as brothers.

At the end of that trip I busted my femur in Antioch (Cal) under one of the original ring-and-rope strato-stars. We didn't understand what a gust induced stall was - took a few of getting busted up to finally recognise a danger of these ram-air rockets, hahahah.

Cool

fergbird


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 9, 2003, 5:06 AM
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First I would like to say...this is my favorite thread and hope to read a lot more stories of the bad 'ol days. I can not contribute 'cause I have only been
around 10 yrs and any scary stories I tell could get
me or my friends locked up! So....who can provide
a picture of a silkworm( CRW ). No I have never
tried to do it. Has anyone even seen it done( don't
sound that hard).
....mikeSmile


Gadget  (D 20099)

May 13, 2003, 10:16 AM
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Maybe it's a somewhat stupid question but what is a silkworm?Blush


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 13, 2003, 8:25 PM
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2 Stack ( CRW) lower canopy has very large cells like
DC-5 or XL Cloud, Top guy/gal enters center cell feet first up to chest line...smiles for camera. Landing it is not recommendedWink. I know where there is an XL Cloud. I have never seen a pic...maybe it's a myth...but if it works in cartoons...it's good enough for me.
...mike
P.S. It all about good pictures!Cool


airtwardo  (D License)

May 14, 2003, 5:57 PM
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I remember a picture like that in Parachutist years ago...


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 14, 2003, 7:36 PM
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In reply to:
I remember a picture like that in Parachutist years ago...

Maybe I did see a picture?...my short term memory=toast!
...mikeCool


skypuppy  (D 347)

May 14, 2003, 8:24 PM
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I think there was such a pic in one of the Skies Call books - probably II or III.


murrays  (C 1285)

May 14, 2003, 9:31 PM
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Skies Call 2, photograph number 31.

I wonder who the dude inside the bottom canopy is? I believe that photograph 105 is the first 8-stack and the same guy docked last on it. Obviously an early CReW dog guru.

Anybody know? His canopy is a 5 cell, Star most likely, ans is orange and black.


markharju  (D 23828)

May 15, 2003, 7:34 AM
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Wow, what a great thread! Cool


tbrown  (D 6533)

May 16, 2003, 9:29 AM
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That would be Norton, he and Steve Haley from Antioch were great pals who did lots of crazy CRW antics together. Norton was also a commercial pilot, as well as a bona fide member of the Hells' Angels. His plane disappeared over the Pacific ona flight to Hawaii and he's officially presumed dead. Norton is mentioned in Ralph "Sonny" Barger's autobiography, Barger calls him Norton Indian, because Norton liked the old Indian bikes.


tbrown  (D 6533)

May 16, 2003, 9:44 AM
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The scariest thing I ever saw was at the 1978 Nationals in Richmond, during the boogie on 4th of July weekend. There were no winds, so everyone was getting out almost straight overhead, and on this one load somebody had a really obvious streamer malfunction. This person was just thundering earthward and we were all yelling "cutaway ! cutaway!", but the jumper kept falling, lower and lower and people were screaming "pull !". We got that sickening feeling you get when it dawns on you that you're about to see a fatality, and because of the spot being overhead, she was going to smack in right among us. And then, when all seemed lost, probably around 500 ft or so, we actually saw her THROW OUT A PILOT CHUTE, which lifted a bag off her back and deployed a Strato Star, which opened probably about 50 ft. off the deck. She landed seconds later without ever taking off the brakes. Everybody sort of went, "wait - that's a hand deploy, that's a main canopy, what's going on here ? - OH MY GOD !"

The poor woman was hysterical, she just sat there crying, but was unhurt. She'd been unable to pull her pilot chute out of the pouch, so she gave up on it and pulled her reserve. The reserve had exploded on opening, the canopy looked like somebody had run over it with a lawnmower. All the way down she'd struggled to get that pilot chute out and finally found the adrenaline to yank it free at the last possible moment.

If anything, this incident taught me the value of NOT cutting away a perfectly good main. If she'd have pulled her 3 ring she would've died.


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 16, 2003, 9:45 AM
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Murray
I wonder if I could talk Sport into doing a little CRW this
summer? (I got some bad ideas and need the pics for my web page).
...mikeSmile


murrays  (C 1285)

May 16, 2003, 3:05 PM
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Mike,

I don't remember if Sport was ever into doing CReW...I don't think we could ever get him to grab nylon.

For everybody else, Sport is a Canadian skydiver that likely had one of the wildest PFF experiences of all time...so this Scary Stories thread is maybe a good place to share it. This happened in the mid-80's.

Sport and his fellow dz owner, John Addison (who was just killed in a motor vehicle accident a few weeks ago) took this guy up for his first PFF jump. (Cessna 182) Sport was secondary, John primary. They launched off the plane...Sport told me, "You know, he was kind of a big guy, but it seemed we really had to give him a jerk to get him off the airplane...then we realized why...."

One of the student's risers had snagged the jump door handle and ripped the door off the aircraft. It immediately started beating John and Sport as it whipped around above the student. Sport let go and dove to opening altitude so that he could order the ambulance as he figured this was going to have a very bad outcome. I believe John then dumped the student out.

The main opened and started spinning. The student tried to cutaway but the cables were impossible to budge because the riser had a zillion twists in it. He eventually pulled his reserve...a round reserve....which snaked out and opened. He landed under the round reserve towing his main and the aircraft door.

Aside from some bruises and minor cuts he was fine.

Get Sport to tell you the story this summer...it'll be much better than my description.


Casch

May 17, 2003, 9:51 AM
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And the moral of the story, "You break it, you buy it" Laugh ok that was dumb. Anyway, funny story, poor guy


mikkey  (D License)

May 17, 2003, 6:38 PM
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I remember seeing a video from Russia in the 80's where a jumper with a double mal is coming down on top of the packing area. You see some of the jumpers grabbing a big plastic "sheet" (used to pack on) run like fire fighters when catching people jumping of buildings, and actually catching the jumper and reducing the impact enough for the jumper to survive. (sounds impossible but it is true). If I remember right (it is many years ago I saw it) - a lot of nylon out (reserve and main) but entangled - so probably "medium" speed.


Casch

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NFW! That would be something to see, if you can dig that vid up, you gotta post it. Until then, I don't believe you Tongue


mikkey  (D License)

May 17, 2003, 6:53 PM
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For all of you who don't have this classic book, here is the picture:
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murrays  (C 1285)

May 17, 2003, 8:34 PM
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True story....but I think it happened before the 80's as I saw stills from the movie in a book about the time I started jumping in 1980 so I think it happened earlier. Good thing the spot was right overhead!!


mikkey  (D License)

May 18, 2003, 3:21 AM
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Just a foot note. For anyone interested in skydiving history and wants to get a picture of the time when Parachuting became Skydiving, i.e the 70's - then get this book (Skies Call2 - Andy Keech - ISBN 0950334111) It has amazing pictures and so many "firsts" or nearly firts. Base (the first from El Capitan), Tandem, large CREW stacks, large formations, first throw out PC et. etc. Really, really interesting book.


(This post was edited by mikkey on May 18, 2003, 3:24 AM)


murrays  (C 1285)

May 18, 2003, 1:31 PM
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I found Skies Call 1 and 2 available from some eBay booksellers, used copies for a fairly reasonable price. (I already had 3 but had lost 2 somewhere in my travels.)

As you point out, 2 covers a transition period when many new things started happening...1 is the end of the beginning...S&A, rounds being replaced by RW and squares. They are all great books.


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 19, 2003, 8:20 PM
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Murray
This weekend I drank beer,swapped war stories,and even skydived with Sport. It was a good time!

P.S. re: CRW. He said something about using a gun to defend himself , if I ever came near him with an open parachute!Wink


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 19, 2003, 8:43 PM
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For all of you who don't have this classic book, here is the picture:

Mikkey
Thanks for the picture man. I am looking at photos
taking from the movie by Gennadi Ikonnikov, featuring Yuri Belenko's double malfunction and landing on the tarp stretched out by his fellow jumpers. Very messy looking mal with high rate of decent!


Casch

May 19, 2003, 11:35 PM
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you gotta post those!CoolShocked


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

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 Casch
I will scan them when I get the scanner hooked up again. There are some other wild photos in this book too!
...mikeSmile


Casch

May 20, 2003, 11:02 PM
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Nice, I may just have to break down and buy it


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

May 21, 2003, 9:52 AM
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Casch



clicky clicky

...mikeSmile


Michele  (B 26874)

May 21, 2003, 12:53 PM
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Dear holy shit.

Oh man. Oh shit.

Nothing else to say. Except thanks for posting that.

Ciels-
Michele


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

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Michele

Glad you liked the photos. click again?

...mikeCool


indigoSkye  (D License)

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I had a Strato-Star in 1977, that was a "reefer," meaning that it had a reefing line that ran through rings, all around the underside of this early square. This line terminated at the top center of the canopy, at the bottom of the (spring) pilot chute.
So you would pack as a usual square but this reefing line had its own place on top, yeah, maybe 35 feet of it above the canopy. It was in lieu of a diaper, I kid you not.

At 7000 feet, on my hundredth jump, one pin from my main container let go, releasing the pilot, which wagged happily at me, at the top of that LOOOOng line. That was all that came out! And I had a belly reserve. Falling feet first and rapidly.

So I grabbed that reefing line with everything I had, and pulled it aside to the left into some kind of parody of a gymnist's Iron (half) Cross, so that I could dump the reserve with my right hand... handle in the center, pulling UP. I can't believe it was possible to hold that line with my left arm out straight like that, but there was no choice, I HAD to get the line out of the way of the reserve. So I held it somehow.

The reserve snaked by that long reefing line & opened as usual.

When I landed, one of the guys said to me,

"Well, why didn't you try pulling the MAIN handle? It would have pulled out the other pin from the main container and let the Star out."

Well, I never liked round numbers anyway.


airtwardo  (D License)

May 21, 2003, 5:36 PM
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What kind of container was it?

I had my 'rings & ropes' cloud stuffed into a 'stylemaster' ...but that was a 3 pinner!


DYEVOUT  (Student)

May 21, 2003, 5:55 PM
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Quote:
Glad you liked the photos.

HOLY BALLS !!

[I must have this book]

As a rookie - "This Thread Kicks Ass"


airtwardo  (D License)

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Not really a scary story but a memorable one for me....

I was living in San Diego, going to make my first BASE jump that night from atop an building to remain nameless in Los Angles.
Rode my motorcycle up to Elsinore to see some friends and get some positive energy, midmorning I headed into L.A.

I stopped for some refreshment at an establishment near LAX, you know, the kind of place that requires a lot of dollar bills...
As fortune would have it...this happened to be the day that the Rodney King softball team was found
" Not Guilty "
To the sound of gunshots and the smell of burning automobiles, I ascertained that perhaps this was not the best place for a small town midwest
white boy to be cruising the streets 1/2 toasted on a motorcycle...

Back home to my beach front condo, watching the news that evening, I get the " Where the hell are ya!?!?" call. "It's a go man...all the cops are busy tonight!"

...On the road again....

I find myself on a roof looking out over what can only be described as Armageddon...sirens and red lights flashing, fires burning, gunshots ring out constantly in the distance. Since I was # 3 of 3 going, I had a few moments to stand alone on that tiny corner of concrete overlooking the chaos that is...
"? The End Of The World ? " Unsure

The sights, the sounds, the smell...the thoughts going through my head at that moment are forever ingrained in my being.
Stepping into the abyss... for one precious second, I had never felt so alive !

I was Chuck Heaston and this was Omega Man.

Then it was...Oh Shit! Get in the game!! Head up, knees bent, get ready to throw........ Oh wow, look at that, -my accelerating reflection in the windows next door....... OH YEAH!!! THROWWWWWW!!!

The plan was to open high...check canopy, left turn over the wires, middle of the near empty, dark street, flare and land as close to the awaiting 'getaway' van as possible.

What happened was... Unimpressed
Opening shock...reach for the zoo handles while glancing at my suddenly, remarkably beautiful 7 cell....BAM------ball o' dirt !

OUCH........Where'd that come from?! Oh, Yeah.....Planet.

Sitting there on my soon to be bruised ass... Crazy
Running quickly through my " Aw Shit" checklist :
5 times 5 equals 10... no 20... no...25 ...fuck it, I hate math,
both eyes working, teeth intact, toes wiggle, fingers grip....balls still situated front and center, no unexpected solids or liquids in their vicinity...
Oh yeah...BREATH!

From the darkness behind me, I hear in sultry sexy southern belle drawl,
" Are you OKAY? That was fantastic! You're incredible! Can ya do that again?!"
(....words I often hear from women this time of night.) Wink
and then-
" Ya want me to help ya?"
(...ahhh, NOT words I EVER heard, -Honest!) Smile

Turning around I lock eyes with a 6 foot tall, cropped haired, too well muscled...' woman in comfortable shoes ' as we refer to ladies of her obvious sexual orientation where I come from...in an LA County Sheriffs Department uniform....

Aw Shit checklist #2 ;
I wonder if a bailbonds man will take American Express?!

As Ms. Dixie helps me gather my gear, she says- " Yer buddies are over yonder wait on ya, bring 'em back I wanna meet 'em."
...Oh...sure...okay...I'll be right back, I mumbled over my shoulder as I jogged to the van.

"What took you...the cops will be here any time now" my 'buddies' chastised....
Nah, they're already here, I said...we gotta roll!

After celebrating back at that 'Dollar Bill" place...green bottles on me!
I was sitting on my Super Glide at a stoplight a couple blocks from an on ramp....405 south.
I raised the visor on my helmet, looked into my eyes with the rearview...
Pondering the reflection with satisfaction, a car pulled up along side me...
Several young 'gentlemen from the neighborhood' were looking at me, though admiring my bike, they seemed unimpressed with it's paint job, I'm sure I heard something about the ' Wrong Color!'....I guess they were up early so they could go deer hunting, they were well enough armed.
I looked to the driver, ( hopefully the 'alpha male' ) and gave a quick nod.

I heard him say to his crew, " He awl rite...he cool. " CoolCoolCool

As the light changed and we both went on our way, ......I couldn't help but agree with him!

One of the best days of my life!


steve1  (D 23640)

May 22, 2003, 11:05 AM
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Airtwardo,
Great story! Tell us another one......Steve1


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

May 22, 2003, 12:50 PM
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THAT was a great story.


Michele  (B 26874)

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Quote:
click again?

Nope. The first one scared me. Tongue

Airtwardo, thanks. Having been in the middle of the riots without ever having conceived of BASE-ing (let alone skydiving), I remember those days well. You have bigger balls then I do. (Well, you know what I mean....) first BASE into the heart of a burning city...man oh man...

Ciels-
Michele


airtwardo  (D License)

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Airtwardo,
Great story! Tell us another one......Steve1

You want another one?

I've been around since Christ was a Corporal, so I have a million of  'em!
This one's more funny that scary:

I've been jumping with a professional demonstration team for over 20 years.
We do a lot of airshows and special events all over the United States.
Our biggest 'feather' is being the opening act at EAA's AirVenture Oshkosh, every year since 1984 ....considered the largest airshow in the world.

We do the usual stuff...super large flag, smoke, banners, McGruff the Crime Dog jumps with us,  blah blah blah...

15 years or so back, we got the brilliant idea that in order to keep our act interesting and marketable....we should do something that no one else on the performer circuit was doing.

Keep in mind that these guys are some of the most seasoned and talented jumpers one could every hope to meet, but....  "ain't none of 'em wound real tight"   if you get my drift....that being said, it was really of little surprise to me that the agreed upon addition to our 'menu' of acts should be;

FIREWORKS! Crazy

...Oh yeah, that's a great idea!     ...Hey, does anybody know if F-111 burns, or just melts!

A considerable amount of time and expense went into the research - development and testing of what we just knew would be our showcase act.
After finding suitable products, designing and building somewhat user friendly systems...endless training sessions and discussions about 'what if '

...It's SHOWTIME! Shocked
We'd been doing the night act for over a year, and had refined it to the point that it proved to be as impressive as we'd ever hoped.

So...it's 9:00 PM, I exit at 6500 AGL....# 3 in a stick of 4.
We're dispersed in a line down the runway over some nameless airport near Atlanta.

The choreography of the act dictates a 10 second exit spacing between jumpers and a 3 second delay...we all open up and fire one of the three ' pull to light' signal flares in a steel bracket on the left foot.
This really illuminates the canopy, and allows us to easily move into our relative positions for the performance. Cool
All four of us are over the centerline of the runway...facing into the crowd line, roughly 500 yards apart.
.....How the show generally progresses from there is...
On radio cue from the team leader, ( ground based ) we begin to fire the large silver & gold fountains mounted inside of these big, heavy steel brackets strapped to the right leg....
In slow deliberate order from left to right, down the show line...
After we're all " burning " we steer at each other,  2 guys on the left working together,
... 2 on the right doing the same. The idea is to make two big X's in the night sky with the trailing sparks from the foot-fountians....that takes a couple of minutes, and if done correctly, you've changed places with the guy you're working with.

Again, facing the crowd, we then lower down these HUGE fountains carried in a belly wart...the pyro is mounted on sections of log-chain, the stuff burns through steel cable!
Once lowered, the bombs are fired off all at once and we all start to spin down...the pyro burns in the air for a while and creates a beautiful candy cane effect.

But on this night...

" No Shit, There I Was"  
I'm in position....left foot signal flare burning away, I hear in my earpiece the radio comm. from Team Leader on the ground,
"Number 1,... fire!"
I look waaaay down the runway to my left at jumper #1, and see this bright flash...
followed some seconds later by a thunderous   KABOOOOM!!  which rocks the canopy so much...#1 looks like a rag doll on the end of a string.
I then hear from the ground...
" Number 2,...FIRE! "
another horrific flash...followed by an even louder KAAABOOOOMMM!
This time I actually felt the Shockwave.
" son-of a BITCH !!! " I hear coming from # 2
...and he WASN'T using his radio!

" Okay...Number 3.....FIRRRREEE ! "
I hear from our faithful leader....( conveniently on the ground I might again add )

Now remember...when you're doing all this shit in the air, it's gets ' real busy ' to say the least!
At this point, muscle memory and the adrenaline factor take over.

I have both toggles in my mouth...holding half brakes to keep from wandering over the crowd...
with the flashlight taped to my head I'm setting the arming switch to enable the firing system...
left leg is kicked back as far as it will go in order to minimize the blinding effect the burning signal flare has on my eyesight....
right leg pushed out in front of me as far as it will go to keep the bombs on THAT leg from catching an errant spark...
All of this is happening in a matter of seconds...it's practiced tirelessly both on the ground and with inert pyro in the air.

Timing in ' show business ' is everything...and after all, I AM A PROFESSIONAL! Smile

Just as my thumb is about to press the 'Fire' button....
I hear that little voice in the back of my head....
That same little voice that has helped me along so many countless times...

" What are you DOING ! ? .... what are you...
A FUCKING LEMMING !?! " - my voice said.

I pinched my throat mike,
" I...ahhh......it......ahhhh......hey ground,
...this thing won't fire...I must have a short...
...hey # 4.......GO AHEAD....."

From the team leader I hear, Okay....# 4....You Fire!

I look over to my right...waiting for one of my airshow mentors to either show us all 'How it's done ' or turn into yet another fireball in the sky...Shocked

Just as I was starting to feel those pangs of guilt for being such a pussy, letting the team down,
...the shame of defeat.

I hear ole L.B. ( jumper # 4 ) come back on his radio...
with a 'Letterman like' whinny giggle;
"Heeeheeeeheeeeheee, ahhh...hey ground-- mine won't fire either...."

The show isn't working, ...team leader stressfully asks " Do you have a short too # 4 ?"

" No...........YOU DO!
........A SHORT FUCKIN' MEMORY!
....DIDN'T YOU JUST SEE THOSE OTHER TWO GUYS? "

There was no immediate answer from the ground....the only word that came across the radio was a whispered, sarcastic; "Asshole" !
To this day I can't say who said it...or to whom....

I was laughing so hard...I blew snot all over my altimeter !

We all opened the bellywarts, fired up the 'candycanes' and started to spin! Cool

Later...while signing autographs, this older whuffo type guy asks me...
" Who were the two guys with the dynamite charges? "
" Oh...that's them over there," I pointed....
"The two with the LIMP!" Pirate

Take a look at the attached PICS for a better illustration of what I'm talking about...that's me or the far right.

http://www.libertyteam.com
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steve1  (D 23640)

May 22, 2003, 10:10 PM
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You tell the best stories, Artwardo! Keep them coming.....Steve1


AggieDave  (D License)

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Dude, that's freak'n awsome!
Tell us more, tell us more!

I want some stories of Christ when he was a mess cook!Tongue


airtwardo  (D License)

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You tell the best stories, Artwardo! Keep them coming.....Steve1
SmileSmileSmile

...Then there was the time we were doing a show using the "Red Baron's Pizza"
Srearmans as jump platforms.

The four Stearman airplanes make a low pass over the crowd...castor oil smoke ON.
They climb up to 3500' and get into a circular formation over our exit point....
On cue all four simultaneously go inverted....the jumpers falling from the forward cockpit to do 10 second delay, then going into our 2nd act of the show.

So there I am...all 6 foot 4 inches of me, two 270 sqft canopies on my back...big bulky smoke brackets on each foot...3 military M-18's on both....

Damn near had to use K-Y and a shoe horn to get IN the thing....Now I'm rather anxiously fidgeting about....trying to figure out how to get OUT!

I hunched my shoulders together....pulled my knees up and tried to center them away from anything in the way.
Looking back at the pilot...I tilt my head like a confused puppy dog...as if to ask,
" This look all right to you? "
He gives me that confident ' fighter jock ' nod that ALL them airshow pilots must practice for hours....

In the next instant...we're upside down...and I'm hanging there, by one leg....hung up on something inside the old bird.

My custom made, super duty, professional grade, smoke brackets are factory equipped with a quick-release system specifically designed to safely get it away from me...or in this case me from it....

Only problem is....I'm hanging upside down at an indescribably uncomfortable angle...twistin' in the wind at 150 MPH !!!

Pushing against the side of the fuselage to try and steady myself...
I see the pilot....still stone faced and remarkably cool, considering....
Reaching forward toward the toe of my boot....can't tell from my vantage what he's doing, but suddenly his hand quickly pulls back....his eyes now much larger and intense than a moment before.

Looking back now, it was truly a sight to behold....something right out of the 30's
His soft helmet, Fly-man bugeye goggles, handlebar mustache blowing in the wind....
Even upside-down it was cool...

He cut the power way back....it's almost quiet now...and the twisting around is lots less violent......" If you wanna keep that leg as a matched set, he yells to me....
Get it the fuck outta my airplane!! "

And with that he punches the stick forward....diving the airplane...and floating me back 'up & in" ....freeing the hang-up and floating me " Zero G " away....

I learned two very valuable lessons that day....
( 3 if ya count that redhead in the bar )

# 1...never try anything in the air you haven't thoroughly practiced on the ground.

# 2...never eat ' Tombstone ' Pizza.... Wink


chuteless  (D 41)

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Thats a great story, you sure know how to recruit base jumpers who havent had that thrill yet. You should work for the recruiting office of the US Army. GREAT STORY. Keep em coming. those are what I call stories to charge your battery.SlySly


airtwardo  (D License)

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Come on Liz!
You've got more stories than even I do!!!

Lets hear 'em!!!


indigoSkye  (D License)

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Oh, I blush, Twardo... Blush What would you like to hear about?

How about Plugging-In?? Does anybody remember that??? AKA "Indoor Reverse-SpeedStar Boogie"

It is a stormy day at the DZ... the plane is all tied down and the manifest window is very desolate...
the pilot has gone home to his wife & kidz. There is NO hope of jumping any more... and nobody will volunteer for the next beer run. Yet.
Let's Plug IN!

First, you take an extension cord, and cut off the female (sorrry Ladies, I am one also) end, separate and then strip the two wires, leaving 2 bare ends. Then, get everybody into a circle, holding hands. The person next to each of the bare ends of this wire is the conductor. One will plug in the cord now. The circle of people complete the circuit... and volia, you are all Plugged-In!

This exercise has been known to strengthen many different muscle groups, while also being entertaining. And, like many exercise programs, the dropout rate is high. But this one still feels pretty good, until the next-to-last person hands the other bare wire end to the only one left in the line...

Yeee-Haaawwww! Someone please please pull the plug, all this juice has just made me...


... OOh ooh oops, gotta go cant wait seeya Shocked


Ah, DISCLAIMER: Don't try this at home, folks... it requires an ex-Strato-Star jumper to survive that last big Zap.

Or were you hinting about the story of Chuck Yeager in his sweaty jogging attire?? Some SHORTS, all right!!! ...next time. Maybe. Bribe me.


indigoSkye  (D License)

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Okay, Okay, here's the last one for tonight; I have a hot date:

Pete M. of Tahlequah, Oklahoma: "Help me, Help me, there's a bug in my ear!"

Another no-jump windy day. We were all sitting around the packing table when Pete suddenly jumped up and started totally losing it! He was foaming at the mouth, raving and jumping all over, running in circles and screaming, "Help me, help me, there's a bug in my ear!!!," and he was really wild. So I tackled him and sat on top, and got two guys to sit on his legs and hold him down, and another guy to go and fetch some water in a cup.

We got him with his head sideways and I poured a little water in his ear... and the thing flew out in such a hurry, we all jumped back.

Ya, it was a bug, all right. About 2 centimeters, with long, hard wings that buzz. AN EARWIG!!!

Pete's story continued. I moved to another state, joined a jump club there, and became a parachute rigger. Every September, the club hosted the Labor Day Boogie. As a club member I was expected to perform some work for this meet, so I volunteered for the Rigger's Check-In. Before anyone can buy registration tickets to jump there, they must have their gear checked by a rigger. We make sure that it is safe, and to see that the reserve parachute is sealed, and has the proper packing dates on it.

I saw Pete, waiting in my line. This was about 20 years ago, hard to believe it's been that long, but I am still laughing about it, every time I think of it.
When he came up front, I said to him, very quietly, "Pete M___ of Oklahoma?" He agreed, and I said, "I'm Lizard, your ex-jump-student... from Tahlequah. He said, "You're a R-rrrigger now???" and I said
"Pete, twenty dollars, right here, right now, or I will jump up on this table and take this microphone, and tell every person in five miles about that Giant Cock-A-Roach you had in your ear a few years back, and how we had to hold you down to get it out."

Pete whispered to me that it wasn't a cockroach, it was an earwig. (true). I just said, "It's a cockroach NOW, and it's fifty dollars now, too." That money would almost pay for 4 jumps from one of the larger planes, or for one from the helicopter.

Pete tore his pocket half off, getting his wallet out, believing that he really did have to pay me for not telling. It turned out that he had a guilty conscience anyway, because his reserve was out-of-date.
Guess who got paid to re-pack it? Cool


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
Dude, that's freak'n awsome!
Tell us more, tell us more!

I want some stories of Christ when he was a mess cook!Tongue
Back when he was a mere mess cook...
his favorite line was-
"Don't load up on bread...we got fish coming"
I think he used it later in his career as well!Wink


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
You tell the best stories, Artwardo! Keep them coming.....Steve1

Well.... Okay, If you insist.Angelic

I was looking through some old pictures, trying to find one of my trusty old Para-Plane for another thread in this section.
When I came across some old pics that reminded me of a jump that was less scary for me than everyone else there.

File this one under: Better to be Lucky than Good!

A little background-
It was 1979 and I was the Captain of the " Jumpin' Dawgs"
Southern Illinois University Skydiving Team.

A few of us on the team had the credentials and skill to do demos, and we'd worked out a deal with the university to perform at many of the home games as a warm-up to the festivities.
At different times I'd brought in the 'Game Ball' , dog biscuits for the school mascots,
the head coach's 'missing' game plan....
Rah Rah stuff.

It got our club attention, which increased membership...which fattened my wallet, since I'd worked out a deal with the local DZO for a nice cut of all the static-liners I brought in a taught.

The game in question was a most special opportunity for us as a team
...and me in particular.

It was the Home coming game for that season, and despite the lousy team we had.
It was to be a monster event in town.
It was also Parents Day, meaning not a lot of empty seats in the stadium.
And...for the first time ever!
We would be jumping at half time instead of as the warm-up monkees.

The day of grand expectations had arrived...
I'd gone to what for me at the time, were extreme measures to;

"Pull off a crowd pleaser"

-My folks had driven 350 miles to check out where all the money was going...
Got them front row seats for the game.

-Stayed up most the night prior to see that the pilot buddy we convinced to 'borrow' a university plane was suitably lubed to follow through.

-Utilized my by then well honed skills with whiteout and a copier to make all pertinent paperwork in order.
(is there a statute of limitations on USPA insurance fraud?) ....ahhh just kidding.

- Re packed my reserve in the trunk of my car.

- made DAMN well and sure that this Tall, Blonde, Bumpy in all the right places....
(get this) CHEERLEADER type, pixie babe...
...that I had met at a party two nights before,
and played slap & tickle with most of the early morn with... before being thrown out sliding into third...
...whom, I quite slyly I should add,
agreed to...
'drop it on' for part of the game and watch her cheer on the team,
...was still expecting me to come see her steal the show with her new routine.

...3rd base my ASS!
I had some show stealin' to do myself!!

-A lotta guys don't like to jump smoke...it can be messy and is a little dangerous.
I'd jumped a lot of smoke...even back then,
with the demo team from my home DZ.
Problem was, the club was 350 miles north and so were my smoke brackets.

A fellow team member and engineering student, had contrived the smoke bracket to end all smoke brackets... and agreed to lend it to me for the day.

The thing was beautiful; stainless, aluminum, heavy nylon webbing...
....and safe!

Three separate ways to cut it away if there was a problem.
You could even set it up to fire the 2nd smoke with a kick from the other foot!
( these engineer guys are something, us undeclared dudes just party and chase babes)

All pretty much going to plan...
If you don't count that odd color the pilot face keeps turning.
...And why's he keep askin' to borrow my helmet?

We had some trouble strapping him in the plane,
so now we're a bit late, no time for a wind drift.
I can see the flags on the stadium and they're still...

The 1/2 time whistle has blown, the band is beginning to form into the diamond shape that it will hold until we touch down within.

At 3500 feet ...
Dead nutz over the 50...CUT!...C-YA!!
And we're off-
5 second delay... ripcord out...
(yes, a ripcord!)
...canopy check,
The other two guys begin to form up on me...
I "am" the Captain after all!
I reach down to fire one of the two yellow smokes...and...

HOLY SHIT!!!!

...There it goes! The bracket to end all brackets has performed flawlessly!
....pull the grenade pin, it and figures your in trouble
...breaks apart into the 3 purposely designed, masterly machined, close tolerance matched pieces.

And with the burning M-18 showing the way...
Is now screaming down toward a statuim full of waiting to be impressed people.

My initial emotion was terror...
- All demo jumpers know rule #1 : don't hurt anybody!

To religion...
-God I hope it doesn't hit anybody....That I know!

To the skydivers standard, Gallows Humor...
-It'll smack the blonde pixie right in the melon,
..no real threat of damage there!
...but it will ruin her 'routine' and I'm never gonna get a chance to break Roger Marris's record!
(remember, this was '79...Mac was still in rubber pants)

I'm drifting way out of position watching the end of my career unfold
...the other two guys blissfully unaware of my minor mishap, are yelling to me to "spin it down!"...

...spin it down...
..hell I might as well just cutaway and track for a soft spot on the blonde.
...nobody would even mention the smoke bomb if I did THAT!

At around 1800 feet I'm right over the goal post.
...south side of the field.
A yellow cloud seems to be emanating from near the wall behind the posts,
It's definitely inside the stadium
...but looks like nothing going on in that area...

Surely if id beaned a customer, there would be some frantic activity there... right ?!

Maybe, with all this clean livin' I dodged a bullet....

We all three landed safely, on time and on target
...just as advertised!

The crowd went wild...the band was relived!
( looked nervous as we pounded in among 'em)

Dragging our gear to the sidelines, I curtly explain to my fellow skygods just how well the jump REALLY went.

When... off in the endzone...POP!

...smokebomb # 2 starts burning...
( Hey!...the auto-kick start really works! )

Maybe if we ignore it, it will just all go away...

...I'm packing on the track that circles the gridiron.
...gotta suck out every bit of glory you can ya know!

My Dads standing next to me just beaming
...behind him I see this doughnut warehouse with a badge, carrying the remnants of my bracket & bomb combo in his paws...
being escorted toward me by Southern Illinois University's director of athletics...
Old number 40 for the Chicago Bears....Gayle Sayers!

Though always a big fan, I'd never met Mr.Sayers...( I cried during 'Brian's Song' )
...and wasn't really looking forward to our impromptu introduction.

Maybe if I ignore him...he just go away!

"Hello, I'm Gayle Sayers...are you enjoying the game?" # 40 asked my dad.
" It's great" pops answers, " But I really came to see my son jump in."
"Yes, they do put on quite a show for us"
Gayle says looking at me...

I'm on my knees trying to close my container, putting on the best Brian Piccolo
impression I can...
playing the 'sympathy' card.

Mr. Sayers then hits me with more cool than 'Shaft' could ever touch...
"I was explaining to officer "krispycream" here,
...that you drop these in as wind indicators for landing direction...
and that you ordinarily pick them up after the game."

Err Ahhhh....YEP! That's right! ...Ahhh, After...
But I can take it right now...Thanks!

My dear old dad, knowing every bit of what's going on here...never misses a beat...

Gee Gayle, mind If I get a picture...
hands me his camera...and puts his arm around Sayers.

...Hell, at that point, even "I" almost wanted to hug Mr. Gayle!!

I stayed for the rest of the game
...hey, ...front row seats!

The folks took my friends and I out for a great dinner, before they hit the road for home.

The Cheerleader came along too...
Couldn't get over how I wasn't kidding when I said I'd "drop-by." Cool

...Oh Yeah,
Remember that legendary time when "The Babe"
...pointed out to left field?

.....YEP!

... YARD! Wink
A Long Distance DINGER!!!

Sometimes it really is better to be lucky than good!
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Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

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You write really well -- I'm sure I've had interesting stuff happen, and I don't think I could ever make it sound that cool.

Of course, it's never been quite that interesting, either...

Wendy W.


chuteless  (D 41)

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this is an unusual story that happened, I believe, near or at Orange Mass, about 25 yrs ago. A Cessna took off with two students and jumpmaster. The JM dropped the first student on static line, and made a second pass for the next student, also on static line. He thought he'd make a separate pass for himself after dispatching the student, but he failed to notice one of the static lines was wrapped around his foot. The line was attached to the rear leg of the pilot's seat, and whern the JM dfove out the door, he went 15 ft and stppoed. The static line was firmly around his foot, and he had no knife, and likely couldnthave reached his foot while swaying back and forth anyhow. The pilot thought the guy was long gone, and began his descent. The JM realized he was going to be dragged along the runway, and his only chance was to open his chute, and possibly lose his leg as it pulled out of the socket. Nevertheless, thatwas better than being killed in a long drag. He pulled the ripcord, and the chute opened, but pulled the seat right out of the aircraft, and from under the pilot, who found himself flying while sitting on the floor. The pilot managed to land the plane, but the jumpmaster drifted down to the DZ with the pilot's seat hanging 15 feet below him. The seat hit the ground, and the JM landed on it and broke his leg. Alls well that ends well. A true story.Cool Bill Cole D41


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 7, 2003, 3:52 PM
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Jim,
The guy on your right in the second picture, what is his name,
Sparky


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Jun 7, 2003, 6:24 PM
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Well, it was Turners Falls, MA, not so far from Orange. It was not the jumpmaster (Marc James) but another jumper (George McCulloch) who got the static line entangled. George was probably in his mid-70s at the time. Otherwise, roughly true.

HW


airtwardo  (D License)

Jun 7, 2003, 9:28 PM
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Wasn't there a picture in one of the mags. back then showing the seat hanging below the jumper prior to touchdown???

I seem to remember a poor quality black & white with a brief explanition of the incedent...

Had to be that one...couldn't have happened more than once could it?? Shocked


chuteless  (D 41)

Jun 8, 2003, 6:29 AM
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Thanks for the update Howardwhite: If it wasnt tghe jumpmaster, who dropped the static line jumpers, and wouldnt it likely have been the jumpmaster to be last to leave the aircraft. However, as I said, I had heard about it, I wasnt there, and my memory genes are now 71 yrs old....and it seems some of them are still working reasonably well. Bill Cole D41


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Jun 8, 2003, 7:02 AM
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I think there was only one static liner. The other two were jumping into the Old Stone Lodge, an after-jumping watering hole a few miles away. I don't remember any pictures and doubt that there were any, but The Spotter, a regional newsmagazine, certainly published an account.

HW


chuteless  (D 41)

Jun 8, 2003, 9:22 AM
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I once knew of a dropzone in Ohio, where they had a farmer close by who hated jumpers and jumping, especially when they landed on his farm. It was referred to as "shotgun alley" because the old man would sometimes fire one just to let them know he hated them. One day a jumper landed on the farm while the old man was riding his tractor doing what farmers are supposed to do. The farmer saw him and drove over ( as thejumper thought) to have a talk with him about the landing on the farmers place. The tractor putted right up the jumper while he was stowing his lines in a daisy chain, and the tractor stopped right on top of his Paracommander canopy. The farmer turned the key off, and put it in his pocket, climbed off the tractor, an walked towards his home...diappearing from the amazed jumper's sight as he stood there in his harness, holding the lines to the trapped PC. Eventually, the jumper left his gear and got back to the DZ and called police. The cops came, and talked to the farmer, but he wasnt interested in giving the guy his PC back. After many hours of on again-off again negotiations and agreemenst that the jumpers would stay off his land, the farmer backed his tractor up, releasing the canopy. The jumpers made sure they didnt land there again. I imagine the old farmer had them worried for awhile though. BILL COLE D41


jbrasher  (D 5166)

Jun 10, 2003, 6:02 PM
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A little further back (late 60's?) there was a picture of an airplane hanging below a jumper in Russia or England. Blush
Check one of Poynter's books circa 70-80.

Canopy hung up on the plane and the jumper deployed chest mounted reserve (no cutaway) and lowered the whole thing including a pilot and at least one other jumper (maybe 2). Only injury was to the pilot.

Sometimes it is better to be lucky.


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

Jun 10, 2003, 7:47 PM
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I have that pic...and it is one of the reasons I jump a round reserve!
.....mikeCool


skydiver52  (D 27096)

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My first two jumps took place in the canal zone in 1972. the majority of ground school was, as you can imagine, plf. At this DZ the north end of the runway was used by TTC (tropical Testing Center) and had land mines planted to determine the life in the tropics. Leaving the plane, static line, you could look one way and see the Pacific, and the other way and see the Atlantic, all you had to do was hit the ground in the middle, except the land mines. My first jump went fine, the second one, the next weekend, I jumped a chute packed by a fellow student. Left the cesna and went fetal, hit the side of the plane, chipped a tooth, and opened under severe line twists. Came out of the twists and realized I was going downwind, started to turn, way too low, and hit the ground hard, next to the only tree in the entire DZ. Upon landing, my belly mount reserve deployed dragging me for a distance. I picked up my gear, dropped it off and left the sport. In 2002 I took a friend for her first tandem, for her birthday, not to look like I was afraid, I decided to try the sport again. She was the first one out, good thing because I would have never jumped except I would have been too embarrassed not to after she did. Scared the hell out of me. But, the next week we started AFF, we both are flying cameras and loving every weekend. Sometimes I regret not staying in the sport, but, am glad that I got back in now that the equipment is so much safer.


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Jun 15, 2003, 2:01 PM
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In reply to:
A little further back (late 60's?) there was a picture of an airplane hanging below a jumper in Russia or England.
Check one of Poynter's books circa 70-80.

Canopy hung up on the plane and the jumper deployed chest mounted reserve (no cutaway) and lowered the whole thing including a pilot and at least one other jumper (maybe 2). Only injury was to the pilot.
It was in England. They actually made TV movie whit use of real footage from actual accident. I watched it 2 years ago.
It was so unreal to see skydiver under the round canopye and the cessna hanging below him. And they all were injured except the guy that deployed reserve.
I'll try to dig out the movie, I have a friend working on local TV station that showed the movie.


airtwardo  (D License)

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Quote:
Sometimes it is better to be lucky.
Red, White and Blue Skies,

John T. Brasher D-5166

In reply to:
Cool
Yeah John,

It is OFTEN better to be lucky! Shocked
Don't know if you remember me... Angelic
We're shared some air together way back when.

Air Trash Rules! Cool

Red, White & Blues to you 2 ! Wink


chuteless  (D 41)

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not so much a scary story..but a true one: I knew 2 jumpers who planned to make a "kitten pass" in freefall. They left the aircraft, and the cat scratched the guy holding it. All three landed at different places on the dropzone. 1 cat scratch.....scratch 1 cat.FrownFrown About the same time, (mid 1960s) we were sometimes able to get M-18 smoke bombs. In Canada, Canadian Industries Ltd made smoke bombs, but they were "EXCEPTIONALLY" hot. I gave one to Joe, and told him to wire it to a stick, that it would get so hot you'd make a hospital trip for repairs if you tried holding it. He later gave it to Norm, and told him, this is a VERY COOL smoke bomb. You can hand hold it all the way to the ground. They left the aircraft at 12,500 and Norm pulled the firing pin release, like a grenade. Joe watched him as the bomb began to get warm. Norm put it in his other hand, soon back to the first hand, and finally threw it. Smoke trailed all the way to the ground, and by the time the fire had been put out, it had burned 4-5 acres of grassland. Joe told me, and we laughed for monthsSlySly,Norm shook his head in disbelief. Oh for the good times.. Bill Cole D-41 CSPA licence. LOL


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 15, 2003, 10:47 PM
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Jim,
Have you heard of "Air Trash". I have been Trash for over 20 years. Next time you are out this way I invite you to an Air Trash parking lot party.
Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

Jun 16, 2003, 3:04 AM
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Sparky-

Of course I've heard of the Trash!

Remember...I darn near lived at the Elsinore DZ back in the 80's

D-22, Bob & Mj, Basher, Lyle jr., mongo, tony b, patty,
...I know I'm forgetting a bunch...

(no brain cells...all left in the air trash parking lot parties)

I have shows this week and next...
Lets plan something when we both have time and I'll fly out!
I would love to party with you guys!!! CoolSmileBlushAngelic


jbrasher  (D 5166)

Jun 16, 2003, 6:23 PM
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Come on out to Perris the 1st Saturday of each month; it's AirTrash day Wink

Check out airtrash.com also.


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Bill Delly (sic?) now jumps here at Raeford, as does John Terry; both Air Trash.

Chuck


freakydiver  (D 26421)

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Are you freakin serious? Galye freakin Sayers??????

Your story really hits home for me, did my share of partyin down at SIU not to mention I'm a Bears fan unfortunately.

All I can say is, my jaw is dropped and I can't say squat!

Not to mention your LA BASE story. Simply unreal.


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In reply to:
Come on out to Perris the 1st Saturday of each month; it's AirTrash day Wink

Check out airtrash.com also.
John,
Are you going to be a Taft Sat.
Sparky


Genn  (D 22590)

Jun 20, 2003, 6:50 AM
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Hank Bungay now jumps with us at the Ranch


chuteless  (D 41)

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way back when....some guys would do a hook up, and one would reach over and pull the ripcord on the other guys chute, waving as he alone continued the freefall. Other jumpers would sometimes switch someone's capewell releases, so that when the chute opened, the unsuspecting guy was flying his canopy backwards..made for some interesting landings....Bill Cole


Genn  (D 22590)

Jun 20, 2003, 8:47 AM
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Although this hasn't happened to me, but my friends tell me many a stories about when they used to pull each other's cutaway handles in freefall.CrazyLaugh


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friends tell me many a stories about when they used to pull each other's cutaway handles in freefall

I must've jumped with a really tame bunch of folks. Our idea of a trick was to do the flour in the container thing, or pretend to trip over their lines while they were packing.

I'd've gotten really pissed if someone had ever pulled my cutaway for me as a joke.

Wendy W.


Genn  (D 22590)

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Not too long ago my friend had spaghetti in his reserve...He's still gets a little pissy over it!Laugh...


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Messing with another's rig is a good way to make enemies in a hurry, but I know it does happen. We rented a DC-3 (back in the 70's), and were all geared up and on our way to Spokane for a jump meet. We planned to jump into the meet. Someone asked the president of our club if he had checked his rig. He took off his rig and it did look a little smaller than usual. He openned it on board and found that someone had packed up some kind of cargo chute inside that was about 14 ft. in diameter. The guilty parties then stepped forward with his proper Para-Commander canopy, and helped him put his rig back together while in flight. This was supposed to be a joke, and lot's of people did laugh heartilly, but I still don't see much humor in it. I'd hate to have anyone messing with my rig. I think I'd get real pissed in a hurry.....Steve1


Genn  (D 22590)

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I know but that's how most of my friends are. They only do it to eachother. Everyone has pretty much been on good behavior now for a while. But sometimes they get bored, as do I, and do stupid shit. However, I always give myself a full gear check before my jumps. It only takes a few seconds.


beej  (A License)

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In reply to:
Although this hasn't happened to me, but my friends tell me many a stories about when they used to pull each other's cutaway handles in freefall.CrazyLaugh

anyone doing that to me would be guaranteed a smack in the mouth on landing.Unimpressed


jbrasher  (D 5166)

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No


chuteless  (D 41)

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The handles I was referring to was the ripcord to activate the other guys MAIN, not his reserve. This was Capewell release days, not 3 ring . , The guy might be open on his main at 8000 or 6000 feet. He just didnt get much freefall on that jump LOL


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Jun 21, 2003, 9:04 AM
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I understood what you were saying -- I was replying to the post about pulling the cutaway as a "joke." When you're jumping out of a Cessna, there just isn't a lot of concern about other loads opening with you, is there?

Wendy W.


chuteless  (D 41)

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Hin Wendy: I may be guilty of some pranks, but I would NEVER EVER do the cutaway/reserve opening on a guy like that. Take care..Bill


Genn  (D 22590)

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Maybe were just nutzCrazy..but here's another one I found funny.

Awhile back at the Herd. There was a full otter load at altitude on jumprun. My friend (John Doe) flicked the two switches and turned off the engines. The pilot panicked and ordered everyone out the plane. End result...everything was fine and nobody was injured.


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On that tone, here's a second-hand one that I've had confirmed at least once. So that must make it trueSmile

There was a pilot at a club DZ who was really anal about the aircraft; really anal. Others would fly it too, but he took a very personal interest.

So when a new, but very experienced pilot came out and began flying for the DZ, they set him up.

Full load, of course. But lightweights.

After all the jumpers leave, another body exits the airplane and dumps very quickly. The airplane begins to fly away very erratically, and of course our friend the anal pilot gets really excited. Airplane eventually disappears.

Of course, it was a mannequin under canopy, and the airplane landed at another airport.

Wendy W.


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Just plain and simple great, you have definitely made my day on this site....


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In reply to:
Are you freakin serious? Galye freakin Sayers??????

Your story really hits home for me, did my share of partyin down at SIU not to mention I'm a Bears fan unfortunately.

All I can say is, my jaw is dropped and I can't say squat!

Not to mention your LA BASE story. Simply unreal.

What??
There was partying going on at SIU ??
NO WAY ! Wink

If you were down there in the late 70's... Cool
I was the bouncer at 'Hangar 9' with the red eyes!!

Yeah...Gale Sayers, my dad still has the picture I took that day hanging in his den.
I also have his signature in a log book.

Sometimes I can't believe I actually got out of there with a degree...and no felonies! ShockedUnimpressedCrazy


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I just got back from two weeks on the road, had a demo in the Sacramento area and then went to Alaska to cheer on my honey in her 5th marathon of the year!

Doing the show in California I was reminded how nice it is to have a pilot that is on the ball as far as Parachute Demonstrations are concerned.
We were jumping from a C-45 (Twin Beech)
An immaculate "Photo Re-Con" version, totally outfitted with the actual equipment called for in that configuration.
Even down to the 'Plexiglas' plates in the floor...great for spotting!
And the driver was just a pleasure to work with!
I would have never guessed he wasn't a full time dropzone pilot.
After going through a pre-jump briefing, the only thing I had to say to him was
"5 right" and "C-YA"
He had us perfectly over our exit point, right on the air boss's hack every time...

Unfortunately...that's not always the case!

Doing performances at Air Shows and special events these past 20 some years has afforded me the opportunity to jump from some memorable and historic aircraft, as well as introducing me to some rather...shall we say 'interesting' pilots!

Like the time in Oklahoma we found out a bit too late that our pilot was a former member of the U.S. Aerobatic team...after rolling the 206 on jump run!

Or the time in Ohio the pilot said "Screw This!" and walked away.
After watching us go through our Emergency Procedures concerning someone's fireworks igniting inside the aircraft prior to a night show...
Took the better part of an hour to convince him...it hardly EVER happens!

Rolling off the wing of a Ju-52 at 1100 ft. over Gary Ind. because the pilot....never mind!
(Waay to long of a story)

Once we almost high speed taxied into a fuel truck that the pilot hadn't seen move in front of him...

And who could ever forget the time I sat there...face glued to the window,
just sure I was going to make the lead in video for "You Gotta See This"
As a Harrier missed his intended line for the 'Low / Slow' sideways pass...
And went right over the top of our bird, staged near a runway intersection...
Blowing 5 gallon bags of jelled gasoline and sticks of dynamite... (used for war bird special effects) ...all around us!
...I wouldn't say that my life flashed before my eyes, but I was certainly glad I stuck to my 'Low Residue" breakfast that day.

But none of those comes close to the time I was in a plane crash...and minutes later did a show...well as least part of one!

No Shit...there I was...KNEW I was gonna die!

We were in a C-45...yet another clean show quality war bird.
All geared up to do our Night Pyro Fireworks / Parachute display...
As I detailed in a prior post in this thread, this act requires a lot of heavy, awkward, cumbersome gear.
Movement is taxing and difficult...each action inside an aircraft has to be thought out so as not to bang your bombs into another jumpers.
There is no such thing as a comfortable position when outfitted in this manner.

It's dark out, hot, with gusting winds, I'm sitting nearest to the open door awaiting the usual run up prior to take off..
When suddenly the sound of two radial engines with the throttles fire-walled quickened my already rapid pulse rate...

"Geeze buddy, a mag check would have been nice!"

Accelerating faster than we had on either of the two previous jumps that day, definitely had my attention peeked...
and with four of us, each laden with 100 pounds of gear sliding into each other...
I tightened my helmets chin strap and put on my patented 'concerned...but cool' mask.

As grass, dirt and the shards of the breaking runway lights we were running over flew past the open door...
And I noticed that I was getting a really neat panoramic view of the entire show line as the tail of the now out of control aeroplane swung wildly back and fourth,

I changed masks...putting on my..." I bet this never happens to Golfers face! "

Just about the time any sane person would have pulled the plug...
shut her down and had a little board meeting about the events transpiring...

I realized that, true to form...there weren't any sane people in this lifeboat!

I recall a tremendous amount of engine noise...shouting and bouncing about the inside of the aircraft..
We were like four cats inside a dryer.

I had already popped the quick releases on my leg brackets, undone one side of my belly wart fireworks container and was pulling the quick releases on my parachute leg straps when the team leader yells at me...

" You're taking off your PARACHUTE! "

"I KNOW!" I yelled back..."This ain't a plane crash....it's a fuckin' TRAIN WRECK! "

I was fully prepared to roll out of that moving disaster area...
if I could only get hold of something near enough to the door to assist in my exit.

...In the years after that incident, I've gone both ways as to if this action was correct given the situation...
I do know that things were going bad...

And seconds later...got even WORSE!

I remember being slammed down into the floor...then bouncing up 0-g style...
I was looking forward at the cockpit and realized two things very quickly.

1) We were now airborne
2) The right wing was bouncing around more than Pam Anderson's swimsuit.

...Think I'll just hook up these leg straps again...

ya know....

"BOWLERS never go through this either!"

The Pilot yells back, " I'm coming around..I'll try to land"

Just as I'm thinking to myself, ...TRY to land ?
Hell dude...you can't even TAKE OFF!

One of the more experienced guys on the team yells to him,
" No, Climb...we'll get out! "

He did...and we did!
Leaving for the most part our fireworks with him...

I won't say how high we got...or which handle I pulled at exit.
I will say we all landed safely, in the same general area and about the same time...
Aircraft INCLUDED!

No need for the 'Low Residue' meal this time...
I was scared 'shitless!'

...The final 'bump' we later found out was us impacting a berm as we crossed a runway.."the skinny way"
The gear compressed, dinging the right side prop...well more than dinging it as the photos from the next morning show.
If you look hard you can see me in two of these PICS.

Demos are great!

...Make a skydive, get a check!!!


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Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

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Rolling off the wing of a Ju-52 at 1100 ft. over Gary Ind. because the pilot....never mind!
(Waay to long of a story)

Come on. You know you want us to beg you -- I'm not proud Smile

Great story

Wendy W.


airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 1, 2003, 5:45 PM
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Rolling off the wing of a Ju-52 at 1100 ft. over Gary Ind. because the pilot....never mind!
(Waay to long of a story)

Come on. You know you want us to beg you -- I'm not proud Smile

Great story

Wendy W.
Hehehe...I'm too tired to write anymore!Tongue
Hey Wendy...coming over to Buffalo Bayou Park on the 4th?
Great fireworks....
AND SKYDIVERS! Wink


Zenister  (A 42)

Jul 1, 2003, 8:04 PM
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Rolling off the wing of a Ju-52 at 1100 ft. over Gary Ind. because the pilot....never mind!
(Waay to long of a story)

Come on. You know you want us to beg you -- I'm not proud Smile

Great story

i'm not either...i'd love to jump one of those...since i doubt i'll get the chance you have to tell...


NickD  (D 8904)

Jul 2, 2003, 10:46 PM
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Rig Before Rating . . .

Working for Don Muma down at Otay Lakes in Southern California a hundred years ago it’s New Years Eve and we cap the days jumps by pulling Jim Perry’s Helio Stallion up on the grass and blasting the stereo we’d just installed. Don came running out and yelled at us and rightly so as he’s sowed a fine grass in an era when grass meant everything in the desert.

So the next morning we quit and flew away.

“I hear Deborah Blackman is re-opening Elsinore.”

“Let’s go there.”

The Stallion is a brute of a single engine turbo-prop tail dragger controllable down to thirty knots and used by the CIA during Vietnam to delivery whatever into small jungle clearings.

We do a short field landing at Gillespie Field for some Jet A and the controller is talking when he hears Led Zeppelin blasting on the stereo behind us and says, “Cool.”

We landed on the dirt in Lake Elsinore around sunset and Debbie came running out to greet us and she said, “Okay,” looking at Jim, “You are my chief pilot, and you,” now looking at me, she says, “You are my chief instructor.”

We follow her into the fading light and I’ll never forget Jim looking my way and saying, “Timing is everything.”

Fast forward two years and Tandem rigs are appearing on the market for the first time. Debbie buys one of the first Strong tandems. The first day we had it, after Debbie put it all together, as it came component wise, Mark Hewitt and another fellow who’s name I can’t remember took the rig up for it’s first jump.

After getting out of the Beech D-18 at 12.5 neither one could get the drogue out and going through 1500 feet at tandem terminal Mark, who’s up front is reaching up over his left shoulder and clawing for the reserve ripcord handle he says later, “ I’m looking at right where we’re going to crater.”

Finally up-top gets the drogue out. The only problem now is he’d already pulled the drogue release and the brunt of a tandem terminal opening almost breaks Mark’s neck and as he lies limp in the harness he hears, “Shit, we gotta cutaway.”

After landing safely under the reserve we all figured the rule in tandem jumping is always use the main, even if you blow it up, as so you don’t use the reserve going too fast , and blow that up too.

Debbie had paying customers lined up already for the next day and she took the broken main home and Betsy Rossed it back together. The next morning I woke to her asking me to go up and jump it and make sure it is alright. A for real continuity check. “

Sure, no problem, it’s just another rig.”

Ernie Villanova and a bunch of Elsinore regulars are doing a early morning demo as I sit back on the floor of the Beech and contemplate just what the heck all these handles do. A few Rw loads get out and I walk toward the door. “Get the drogue out,” is all I’m thinking because that’s what started those other guys problems.

Stepping out the door, I grin at Ernie, reach back and throw out the drogue. Like I was doing a hop and pop. All of a sudden I felt myself stable but not arching. Wow, I thought, that drogue is so big you don’t have to arch, I was just hanging.

It’s then I notice the horizon is right above my toes and I look over my should and there’s the Beech right behind me. I’d thrown the drogue over the tail, and I’ll never forget when my brain told my body I was in tow.

Nothing bad was happening at the moment and I remember thinking don’t make the next mistake that will kill you.”

I looked down on the myriad of handles and deduced none did what I needed to do.

I looked again at my feet and the horizon is sinking as I wrapped the elevator of the Beech and she’s nosing over, Bobby said later, “It pulled the yoke full forward and I couldn’t pull it back, at first I thought you Knuckleheads had figured a new way to mess with me.”

Meanwhile self preservation is clicking in and I figure, okay, we’re still high, but if it starts going hey wire I’ll cutaway first and then pull the drogue release. It would mean leaving Bobby with the mess, or, if the main inflated the end of him when it pulled the tail from the aircraft.

All of a sudden I came off.

I arched and flipped over and looked at the altimeter and saw all that nonsense that started at 12.5 took until 8000 feet to sort it self out. I looked up over my shoulder and see 15 feet of bridle and no drogue.

I thought I’d better start now.

I reached and pull the student ripcord and it comes a ways and stops. I pull until I’m afraid I’ll break something and throw it away. I grab the tandem master’s ripcord and it too comes out a ways and then jams. I’d pulled both cables through the grommet on the drogue Three Ring release when I was in tow. I looked at the altimeter and decided that no matter what was happening at 4000 feet I was going to pull the reserve handle. That way I’d have some time to hack on things with my hook knife if it all went wrong.

I went back to pulling on the drogue release. At about six thousand feet I finally forcibly managed to clear one of the cables. I could feel the side flaps of the main container hitting me and tried to push the huge bagged main away from me. However, it went without a pilot chute or drogue in slow motion as I watched one and then another stow come off the bag until I looked again and I’m coming up to the point where I’m thinking about looking for the reserve handle when bam I get a opening on the main.

After landing Bobby and stare at the dents I put in the horizontal stabilizer of the Beech and all agree we got away with one.

Debbie deducted $80 from my next paycheck to cover the cost of the drogue I destroyed.

Watch it . . . .

Nick
D-8904


airtwardo  (D License)

Jul 2, 2003, 11:59 PM
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!!! HANG ON GANG...NICK D is IN THE HOUSE !!!

SmileCoolCoolSmileSmileSmileCoolSmile

This guy as more stories than all of us put together!

I think I started working for Don right after you left.
At least I remember hearing about you from him!Shocked

And speaking of Gillespie field...weren't you on one of those backyard keger jumps we made into Santee?


CornishChris  (C 102981)

Jul 3, 2003, 12:54 AM
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Truly terrifying. Great story though!!!!


jbrasher  (D 5166)

Jul 3, 2003, 6:05 PM
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Come on Son, tell us about the REAL exciting onesWink


sneaky

Jul 5, 2003, 4:22 AM
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great story Bill !!


indigoSkye  (D License)

Jul 9, 2003, 8:24 PM
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Geez Twardo, it is a miracle that you lived long enough to produce offspring! Wink


indigoSkye  (D License)

Jul 9, 2003, 9:03 PM
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I have no clue now. But the front mount reserve was a flat thing about the size that my computer processor is now. It was supposed to make you fall slower (than an old wart like you had).
It had a strange setup for opening. a soft webbing handle at center top had a cable with 2 pins, holding 2 nylon loops which threaded through the container from back to front. the other end of each of these loops was attached to a spring which was supposed to pull the loops out quickly. That worked well as long as the knots in the loops were on the spring side, and NOT on the pin side. That resulted in a lock that was not possible to open as the grommets through which these loops were fairly small.

One time I had a 5 foot tall former DI who was a master rigger, repack it. I asked him if he wanted the instruction booklet and he said "Nah, it's just like any other reserve only flatter." So I jumped it for about 6 months til my guilty conscience caught up with me & I returned it to the same rigger for another repack.

We had this thing... dump your own reserve before your repack, watch the pilot chute jump out, feel the way it pulls. So like a good little skydiver I did; it felt a little tight... guess what?

NO OPENsies! The knots were on the pin side. The ex-DI blushed up to his flattop crewcut and said "uh, uh, uh" about a dozen times & was still standing there as I picked the thing up & headed to the car to drive it to another rigger... any other rigger.

Handsome Dave ended up with it, maybe it will end up in some museum someplace.

So later, even though my repack pricing policy was always $20/ I pack, $30/you watch, $50 you help, I remembered...

& always accepted anyone's instruction booklet even if it was a rig I knew well or had the notes for.

It was royal Blue, Twardo. It was better than a belly wart which looks small on you but

Not me.


CornishChris  (C 102981)

Jul 28, 2003, 4:33 PM
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I am sure everyone agrees with me that we should rally around the old timers (apologies) for some more stories to not let this thread die. It has been my favourite thread here and I would love to hear some more...


Kramer  (B 27138)

Aug 6, 2003, 9:19 AM
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Ditto, let's hear some more, fellas.

-Kramer


chuteless  (D 41)

Aug 6, 2003, 11:12 AM
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I made my first jump 41 years ago yesterday....the same day Marilyn Monroe died. I dont believe there was any connection between the two things. Bill Cole D-41


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 8, 2003, 2:50 PM
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Congrats on the anniversary! Cool

No connection with the Monroe thing huh?!

The way I heard it...

She was pissed about not being forever remembered
among skydivers as
" Mae West " is....

Once Bill C. started jumping, she snapped!!!!!! Wink


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 10, 2003, 7:01 PM
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I am sure everyone agrees with me that we should rally around the old timers

In reply to:
Okay...
That's it!
NOW I'm Pissed!!!WinkWinkWink

Where is my cane?
I'm gonna whack that guy!Smile


n2skdvn  (B 22375)

Aug 11, 2003, 5:58 AM
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Where is my cane?
I'm gonna whack that guy!

whoa gramps dont get too riled up!!! come on it's nap time for you...Tongue

on the serious side i like listening to the "old timmers " a good book to read is "flying with their pants on fire " by tom craighead good read!!!!


chuteless  (D 41)

Aug 11, 2003, 7:13 AM
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actually, I asked her to leave John Kennedy for me...and she declined. I often wondered why...she could have been in the back seat of that car in Dallas, but no, she gave up a jumper andf for what I ask ??????????CrazyCoolWink


poppenhager  (D 47)

Aug 17, 2003, 9:01 AM
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Chutless,That did happen,but was at Turner Falls,Ma.and the aircraft was a Howard DGA.The pilot had to land it standing up.I don't know how as Howards were a bear to land (with a seat)!!!!
D-47


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Aug 17, 2003, 11:00 AM
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was at Turner Falls,Ma.and the aircraft was a Howard DGA

Sorry, Pop, but it was a 182, though Turners had a couple of Howards at various times.

Spoken with some authority because I knew all of the participants except, maybe, the student.

HW


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 17, 2003, 7:03 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Chutless,That did happen,but was at Turner Falls,Ma.and the aircraft was a Howard DGA.The pilot had to land it standing up.I don't know how as Howards were a bear to land (with a seat)!!!!
D-47
Quick, who can tell me what DGA stands for?
Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 17, 2003, 7:44 PM
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DAMN GOOD AIRPLANE!


hagalo  (D 5989)

Aug 18, 2003, 1:57 AM
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Heard a story once about a jumper in south Florida on his 3000 jump spotting a load long, tracking back, opening low with a PC and landing in the peas while the rest had a long walk in the swamp. Anyone know the details of this rumor? (Pop?)


tonybrogdon  (D 12855)

Aug 18, 2003, 4:54 PM
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Hello Jim and John;

One of my scariest jumps happened over Otay Lakes in San Diego when we were reorganizing and forming Perris Valley Skydiving Society, Inc. In summer, 1985. I had just purchased a new rig from Sandy Reed and it had a new 9 cell called a Nimbus and a Paraflight 5 cell reserve. I was unfortunate enough to have opened over a 900 foot hill, had a tremendous hard opening breaking 5 lines. My altimeter said 1800 feet so I tried to steer towards the DZ then my canopy collapsed on me. I cutaway, then my reserve ripcord and patiently waited for it to open. I found out later (after getting a recall notice) the patterns had been switched at the factory causing a slow opening. My canopy fully opened with just enough time for me to pull down hard on the risers for a very hard landing. Meanwhile, after finding my cutaway main I climbed the fence to the road heading downhill to the DZ when I saw a fire truck approaching. They yelled out “did you see the guy who didn’t make it?” I found out shortly after getting back to the DZ the fireman was referring to me. The people at the DZ saw my body in free fall go behind the hill with a streamer for a reserve. From their angle, they saw me go in. Realizing then how close I had actually come.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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DAMN GOOD AIRPLANE!
Jim,
Should have known you would know.
Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 19, 2003, 6:28 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
DAMN GOOD AIRPLANE!
Jim,
Should have known you would know.
Sparky

In reply to:
Wink


skyhpp  (C 840)

Aug 20, 2003, 1:14 AM
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Hi - I bought a 230 sq. ft "Pursuit" in 1983, and also had an incredibly hard opening that resulted in three broken lines.Pirate (In defence of the manufacturers, it was a CRW canopy designed to open quickly)

In a moment of sheer stupidity, I opted (foolishly)Blush to try land the thing in the peas (where it was nice and soft), but with one side of the canopy semi-collapsing on me, my descent rate was rather fast.Shocked I ended up having to land short of the peas on a hard gravel road, and luckily pulled off my best PLF ever - got away with "only" a MASSIVE purple/blue bruise on my left thigh.Pirate

The people on the ground said the opening sounded like a rifle shot, and when they saw me decide to land the canopy, they called the ambulance!

There were several other line break incidents at the club at that time, with many canopies (including mine) having to be re-lined. The incidents were attributed to a bad batch of lines being used by some manufacturers at the time.

Never had a problem after the re-line, but I learnt to pay great attention to rolling the nose when packing!


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Aug 20, 2003, 1:51 PM
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Best thread ever


skyhpp  (C 840)

Aug 21, 2003, 1:57 AM
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A demo jump to remember....

We get to the airport for a demo only to find that the aircraft's throttle cable had broken Mad- there we were with only 30 min. to jump time and no plane - stress levels were understandably high!

We see a 206 land and decide to take a chance - we run up to the pilot, begging him to take us up in his plane (chances of success normally 0.1 %). To our surprise, this really cool looking pilot (shades and all)Cool says "Sure, as long as you don't mind off-loading some cargo..."

We couldn't say yes quickly enough, and helped him take the door off, then got completely spooked when we saw the cargo - two COFFINS!! (and they weren't empty!)ShockedShockedShocked

With as much respect as possible, we took the coffins out and leaned the door gingerly against them (all this out in the grass next to the runway), and got in the plane - we were all scared shitless, sitting where there had been coffins only moments before - we felt really bad "disturbing the dead" in order to do the jump - it all seemed so wrong (just how far are you willing to go for your sport?) Needless to say, there was not one word during take-off - just thousand yard stares...Crazy

As we got airborne, we REALLY got spooked when the most awful smell filled the planeUnsure - we were convinced that it was something left behind by the coffins, or the corpses.......now we were even more quiet - I will never forget the "what the hell are we doing" look on everyone's faces!!

During all this, the pilot says not one word - just flies straight on, looking cool in his shades, calmly pocketing the cash for the flight...Cool - this dude could just as well have been Dracula!!

Finally got to the DZ and jumped - a split second after opening there was the loudest thunderclap and lightning strike I have ever heard - really close!Shocked UnsureThere could only be one explanation - this was God deciding to smite the heathens that had disturbed the dead - my heart was in my mouth!!

To our suprise we all survived the jump and landed safely - and within five minutes rain started pelting down - talk about fine timing!Turned out that the pilot had decided to land at our airport to wait out the storm that was on it's way.

We rushed back to the airport to help the pilot re-load his "cargo" and put the door back on, but by the time we got there the coffins and door were gone and so was the plane - suddenly it all seemed like a dream!!

Never found out who the pilot was and have never seen him again - crazy! We then discovered the reason for the smell in the plane - the airport was right next to a sewage farm!!

In retrospect it is all so funny - while it was happening, it was impossible to maintain our cool skydiver images - of course the pilot had no such problem....CoolSmile


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 22, 2003, 9:40 PM
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UnimpressedUnimpressedUnimpressed

"Cough...Cough...'

Blue Skies...Black Death??? Wink


AggieDave  (D License)

Aug 22, 2003, 9:42 PM
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This is the best thread EVER!

Guys, keep these stories coming, this is great!

These are good enough it would be cool to compile them into an actual hardbound book to sell. It would sell too!


(This post was edited by AggieDave on Aug 22, 2003, 9:42 PM)


mcrocker  (D License)

Aug 25, 2003, 10:21 AM
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TurnersFalls MA?

That would be the French King bridge (Rt. 2), pretty damn big and high. I know someone who flew a bird dog (Single Engine, high wing tail dragger army spotter plane) under it once. I know someone who BASEd off it (Hi Willy). He didn't get any video because the videographer was filming the skinny dippers when he heard the chute open.


Unutsch

Aug 25, 2003, 11:45 AM
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He didn't get any video because the videographer was filming the skinny dippers when he heard the chute open.

LaughLaughLaugh

this reminds me on a demo jump to a huge concert on a skiing slope some 3 years ago (i know, i know, not the old days ;-)): instead of concentrating on the landing, i looked at 2 very hot chiks with their big breasts looking up at me out of their tight tops, thus totally forgetting i was near the time to flare... so i flared to late, landed hard, and sprained my ankle, but not enough to not dance the whole night away... but the pain i had in the morning forced me to take 2 pain killers prior to jumping...

mmmm, breasts, got to love them Wink


howardwhite  (C 3896)

Aug 25, 2003, 4:39 PM
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I know someone who flew a bird dog (Single Engine, high wing tail dragger army spotter plane) under it once.

Well, other, larger aircraft with many more people on board have reportedly flown under it alsoTongue

HW


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Aug 25, 2003, 7:06 PM
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Yes, Howard informed me I was wrong about its being the Beech Blush. What can I say -- it was a long time ago, and before I got there...

Probably not the smartest stunt ever pulled.

Wendy W.


skyhpp  (C 840)

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IGNORANCE IS BLISS - 1974

All of 18 years old, fresh from school, and lining up for a challenge – to complete the military static line course at 1 Para Batallion, S ASmile. We were certainly challenged, having to endure a two week physical training course from hell – and all this before doing ANY jump training!!Pirate

Having got through the PT course we went through seven days of ground training before doing our first jump! We were DRILLED till all the procedures and checks were coming out of our ears – we practiced exits, canopy control, landings, water landings, tree landings, reserve drills etc. etc. till we could do everything with our eyes closed.

The big day finally arrived – our first jump!! We were all pretty tense, Unimpressedbut still looking forward to finally doing what we had been trained for. Our course leader then destroyed any confidence that we might have had by calling over a chaplain to pray for us all before undertaking this incredibly dangerous task! Crazy(thanks!!). It didn’t help that he was standing in front of an ambulance that was on it’s way to the DZ……….Unsure

After a particularly quiet ride to the airport, we were kitted up with our state of the art 28ft. diameter military rounds (NO modifications – just a small hole at the apex – steering by means of risers only!), with trusty front-mount round reserves as back-up - what more could one want?Wink

We donned our “lightweight” steel helmets, and walked with a spring in our step in our “jumpers” – heavy duty boots with a one inch thick sole. We were told that because it was our first jump, we were going to get “extra altitude” – all of 800 ft! SmileSounded good!

The chaplain then proceeded to follow all 28 of us into the Dakota Unimpressed– he was not going to jump, but was coming along for moral support! The jumps took place in sticks of four, and I was in the second last group – it seemed like forever before my turn came! After each group had jumped, the chaplain gave the remaining jumpers a huge smile and a thumbs up – ok for him – he didn’t have to jump!!

When I finally got to the door, all seven days of ground training went out the window Blush– I was shit scared and was doing something very stupid – no-one was going to convince me otherwise!!! I totally screwed up my exit (because I was secretly trying to leave the plane and get back in at the same time!) and somersaulted out the Dak….the canopy opened but with mega line twists, and I spent almost all of my 30 second canopy ride kicking out of them. I remember coming in backwards under my trusty unmodified round flying machine and then thundering in – got up with a smile - I was still alive!!SmileSmileSmile

Met up with the rest of the group – we were beside ourselves with joy and relief, and couldn’t stop talking about the jump. A friend of mine confidently declared that jumping an unmodified round from 800 ft and thundering in backwards was DEFINITELY better than sex!! Tongue (The entire group of 18 year old “hugely experienced” sex machines instantly agreed!)Sly

By the end of our ten jump static line course we were ready for anything - we had done jumps from the Dakota as well as the Hercules, two jumps with kit, one night jump and one “show-jump” – our graduation jump where all our parents came to watch. We could PLF backwards, forwards, sideways, though bushes or whatever (if we were seen to even attempt a stand-up we could be thrown off the course!) – it was an incredibly tough yet thorough introduction to parachuting, and in retrospect I am glad I went through it – after those jumps and with that equipment, anything that followed could only be better!

I remember going for my first jump at a civilian club and being totally rattled by the fact that no-one was screaming, stomping, shouting, checking equipment etc…..everyone was trying to RELAX – in the plane, in the air – ALL the time!! Took some getting used to!


steve1  (D 23640)

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Reminds me a lot of the five jumps I made at Ft. Benning in the spring of 1970. I was 19 and full of piss and vinegar. I wrote scared shitless in my jump log for the first one. Actually I was scared shitless for all five. Lot's of great memories.......Steve1


hagalo  (D 5989)

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This jump occurred during August 1980 over Eustis Florida. On jump run at 11,0000 feet the twin engine Beechcraft was lumbering in the direction of what turned out to be a very quickly developing thunderstorm north of the DZ. After the cut I followed front and rear floaters (Swede Rundquist, Carey Webb) out into center floater position. Before we could say EFS the plane started to move up and down with intense cycles. I can still see the other eight jumpers lined up holding on to each other with their backs pressed to the roof, eyes big as saucers and their legs moving in a running motion but not touching the floor like a big caterpillar.Shocked

Then they all crashed to the floor where they could not move. Had it not been for the gravity of the situation it would have been comical. My reaction was to hang on to the plane hoping these cycles would stop so I could let go with out hitting the tail.

Looking to the right I saw the rear floater was gone then a moment later after looking away I felt something to my right and the rear floater was back again. Faster than the thought “How did he do that?” could go through my mind we hit a down cycle and he went up with his legs and arm fully extended over the aircraft still holding on to a handle with one hand then came back down slamming into the side of the plane next to me on the following up cycle.Tongue

Soon after, at the top of an up cycle, I was slung off of the aircraft along with the front and rear floaters. It is not very often you get to see the topside of the jump plane in freefall but on this jump I watched the Beech disappear into the soup from above.Shocked

Much of the freefall was spent on my back because of the stinging raindrops but at 5000 feet I saw Swede and we made a two man. Everyone made it back safe and sound but a bit frazzled.Smile


AggieDave  (D License)

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we hit a down cycle and he went up with his legs and arm fully extended over the aircraft still holding on to a handle with one hand then came back down slamming into the side of the plane next to me on the following up cycle.

Damn, you can't even get rides like that at Six Flags!


indigoSkye  (D License)

Sep 4, 2003, 4:29 PM
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...opening low with a PC and landing in the peas while the rest had a long walk in the swamp.


Oh that is soooo old. Of course... there is one of us accuracy bugz at every DZ! It gets you out of trouble for opening low. Really... try it sometime. '-D

When in doubt, whip it out. If that doesn't work, then
as we always said,

Track for the Peas. ;)


hagalo  (D 5989)

Sep 13, 2003, 8:57 PM
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Hurricane Isabel reminded me of Gary Depuis, previous owner of the Deland PC, making a jump into the eye of hurricane Donna when it passed over Deland in 1960. Crazy


poppenhager  (D 47)

Sep 14, 2003, 5:57 PM
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Hurrcane Donna 1960 passed east to west across south florida.I was at north perry airport in hollywood,fl.holding my c-180 down during that one.D-47
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airtwardo  (D License)

Sep 14, 2003, 6:52 PM
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Hurrcane Donna 1960 passed east to west across south florida.I was at north perry airport in hollywood,fl.holding my c-180 down during that one.D-47
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So you're saying that one belongs in the
"Urban myths in skydiving"
thread?! Wink


nightjumps  (D 23385)

Sep 14, 2003, 9:00 PM
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Two weeks of training and in jump week at Benning. How many times did we practice, One thousand, Two thousand, three thousand, four thousand...

My first jump is a C-141 and I'm first in the door. I look out the door and I'm thinking, "This ain't no 1250 feet, I can see the leaves on the trees."

Smacked on the ass and as I leave...Did you know it takes a four thousand count to say, "Dear God, please let this son of a bitch open.?" Wink


hagalo  (D 5989)

Sep 15, 2003, 8:46 PM
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Jumping into the eye of hurricane Donna may be a myth. The story came to me second hand from Jim Godwin (D-126) and he could have been pulling my leg or Gary Depuis pulled his and it got passed on.Blush

I did check on a few things before posting and found that Donna’s path did take it over Deland, Florida in 1960 and based on longitude and latitude coordinates it looks like the eye did pass over the airport. Of course that comes a long way from verifying a myth.

http://www.umbc.edu/ges/Geog480_HurricaneWebPage/fullres1960.html

A clip from a Deland publication.
“Longtime residents still talk about Hurricane Donna, which spun winds in excess of 180 mph before slamming into Southwest Florida and traveling northeast across the state. The eye of the storm in 1960 passed over DeLand with wind gusts of 99 mph, still the highest hurricane winds ever recorded in Volusia. Donna was still at hurricane strength when it veered over Flagler Beach, taking about 80 feet of the Flagler Pier with it.”

Unfortunately they did not mention any parachute jumps.Frown

If anyone can confirm or deny this myth please let me know.


poppenhager  (D 47)

Sep 18, 2003, 2:36 PM
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I heard it was a guy making his 5,000th out Bill Sweet's Load Star with 28 others on board.At about 4000ft looked like they were going to pull some crapp on this jumper so out the door he went.The spot was'nt long they just weren't ready yet.It seems to me it was on 12/31/72.-47
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poppenhager  (D 47)

Sep 18, 2003, 3:30 PM
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Alzheimers must be setting in, your right,I had forgotten that Donna first passed through south florida towards the northwest and into the Gulf and turned back across floida again.South Florida had 120mph winds which did my family Everglades hunting camp in.You can ask Gary about the jump since he is still lurking around Deland some where.He may have done it though,since he jumped off the old Deland Tower 3 stories above the concrete breaking both ankles.He would have been about 16yrs. old then. D-47
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mccurley  (E 663)

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Hey I remember that one happening, don't remeber who was involved but I think it was either at PAT or at the old drop zone just north of Markham

Looked up your profile and think I remeber you from the Coldwater dropzone where they used to call me Easy. (Unfortunatley this nick name had every thing to do with motorcycles and not sex life)


mccurley  (E 663)

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There was a case in the old days in Ontario when the pilot stalled the jump plane on jump run... He was the first one out the door.

This is the one I was refering to.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 5, 2003, 8:33 AM
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I posted this in another forum, but thought
I might archive it here, a more 'suitable' place.
CoolWink

**************************************

Years ago when I was in college, I worked as an
Instructor at a good sized DZ in the Midwest...

We had a fairly new Wuffo pilot, trying to build hours.

The guy was wound a little to tight and really
needed to loosen up a bit, Angelic
especially considering the skydiving environment
of the late 70's.

The DZO was a real laid back, funny guy with an unusual
and dry sense of humor, to say the least! Tongue

One morning, a young black guy signs up for
the staticline course...
An anomaly back then.

I was in the hangar, teaching him along with a class
of 8-10 other newbies...
When I overhear the new pilot ask the DZO
why you don't often see
Afro-Americans involved in the sport...

The DZO answered,"Too many rednecks I guess..."
And slyly winking at me told the pilot,
"I don't care if Twardo runs the class...
Just don't let him put that guy out...
His old man is a "Grand-Dragon!" Wink

With a concerned look my way,
the pilot nodded in agreement.

Later that afternoon..
In the rush at the end of the day to get
all the students jumped,
our wuffo pilot hero...
Didn't really notice until I had closed the door
on the 182 that the smaller student I had placed
behind his seat was indeed the gentleman
earlier discussed... Unimpressed

The "OH SHIT" look on his face was priceless!!!

I could see concerned hesitation in his eyes...
As I patted his shoulder saying,
"Come on.. let's go, 3 more loads before it gets dark!"

...After putting the first three students out
on separate passes,
we're coming around again setting up for jump run.

As I'm guiding the last student into position,
the pilot for the first time ever...
Reaches over and opens the Velcro flap
on his backpack, and studies the static-line
and break cord configuration...

It seemed like he was doing this for my benefit
more than anything else,
since I'm sure he had no idea what he was
looking at anyway...
Could've been welded shut and he wouldn't have
known the difference!

Final corrections given, student poised on the step,
I'm squatting in the jumpmaster position
as I yell over the noise starting the count...

REMEMBER...HARD ARCH...!

READY.....!

SET.......!

I look to the pilot...
Handing him the unhooked end of a static line
from one of the prior students...told him;

"Hold this!" SmileSmileSmile

Then returned my attention to the student...
"GOOOOO!!!!"


Mr. Pilot couldn't have had a tighter grip on that hook
if 'he' were out the door, swinging on the end of it! Sly


The student in question, totally unaware
any of this was going on
performed flawlessly!

And stuck around to become a talented regular...
Had a couple hundred jumps there when I finally
graduated school and moved on.

The Skydiverdriver loosened up considerably
in the weeks after!
Often even joining us at the mockup for 'safety meetings'
when jump operations concluded.


AlanEllis  (D 10320)

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I can remember several scary if not stupid things I've witnessed over the years.

1. Lake City, FL - 1981: We were all students and we showed up to jump at this fly-by-night drop zone. The DZ operator, who was also the pilot, was there by himself and didn't have a JM or any other jumpers there. When he found out who had the most jumps among us (12), he made that person the JM while he flew the plane. After we left the plane (via static line), the DZ owner/pilot JMed our 12-jump "JM" while he flew the plane. The first guy down ran the "arrow" for the rest of the students.
2. Somewhere Wink, FL - 1982: Drinking beer all day at the DZ including packing, in the plane, and under canopy. We would stuff our jumpsuits with cans of beer and see how many we could guzzle while under canopy. Luckily, the parachutes were much slower then.
3. Somewhere Wink, FL - 1984: While doing a Mr. Bill jump, a pilot chute was thrown over the horizontal stab of a 206. The bridle cut the end off the horizontal stab and the pilot barely landed the plane. That one cost me some bucks.
Somewhere Wink, OK: 1997: I was doing a tandem when the AAD accidently fired at 1000'. I grabbed the cutaway handle and watched the bag drop off and the reserve begin to inflate. When the reserve began to inflate, I chopped the main. Unfortunately, I forgot to tell the student to let go of the main toggles. All I can say is that I am here to write this.....barely.

There are a couple of more, but I have to wait until the statute of limitations run out. Check back in a couple of years.


(This post was edited by AlanEllis on Nov 5, 2003, 11:05 AM)


Erroll

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2. Somewhere Wink, FL - 1982: Drinking beer all day at the DZ including packing, in the plane, and under canopy. We would stuff our jumpsuits with cans of beer and see how many we could guzzle while under canopy. Luckily, the parachutes were much slower then.
Nothing to do with scary, rather a lesson in physics: I took two beers stuffed into my jumpsuit on my 100th. I opened at 10k, took out a beer and popped the tab to celebrate. Three quarters of it promptly squirted up into my face! I waited until I was at 3k before I popped the second - almost nothing lost. There was a lesson in there somewhere...Smile


steve1  (D 23640)

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Airtwardo's story reminded me of another one when I was in Jump School at Ft. Benning. Some of the Black Hat's (instructors) back then were sometimes kinda sadistic. I have vivid memories of the 34 ft. tower, probably because I went out of it so many times until I finally could do it right. I always had an elbow out too far or my hands weren't placed just right, and they'd send me back up to do it again. I had the risers slap me so many times behind the ears that they were both bloody. (really).....and I guess I was lucky I wasn't recycled. Some said it was scarier than jumping. Some said they made it exactly 34 feet because that was the scariest height of all, and there was nothing below it but hard packed dirt. You jump out of it as many times as I did and it was not really that scary, but the first few times were kind of tough. Well anyhow one of the first jumps out of it there was this guy ahead of me who forgot to hook up one side of his risers. The black hat up there was screaming at us the whole time and he finally shouted "stand in the door" and this kid, ahead of me, did as he was told and took up a good exit position. I'm sure his heart was going pitter-pat because I know mine was. Then the black hat showed him the riser's that were unhooked on one side and then shoved him out the door. The other side was hooked up though, and he ended up bouncing down the trolley cock eyed. I'll bet he remembered to hook things up right the next time. And we all lived happily ever after.....Steve1


airtwardo  (D License)

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Airtwardo,
Great story! Tell us another one......Steve1

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Upon some philosophical reflection,
I'm reminded that sometimes we must
relearn some of the simplest lessons...

File this one under:
Never judge a book by its cover.

It was just at sunrise on a chilly and damp morning,
I hadn't gotten any sleep because of a long ‘put away’
memory being unlocked and replayed,
because of where I was and what I was there to do.

There was a stiff breeze from the East
blowing in across the Mississippi.
Making the weather feel worse that it probably actually was.
In truth, the air tasted exactly like it did
the last time Id stood here.
I reached up touching with one hand,
the stainless steel was icy,
...just like I remembered.

I laughed out loud, thoughtful of the ongoing paradox.
A thing of genuine beauty, a work of art
that I never could look at.
As the first ray of sun graced its peek,
the entire St. Louis Arch seemed
to sparkle and come alive.

20 years before, a fellow skydiving instructor,
a mentor and a friend died here
after trying to land on top.
With his wife watching from below and
his best friend looking down through
the open door of a Cessna cockpit...

“This is my favorite time of day to be here.”
Words that snapped me back into the present,
came from a squeaky hillbilly voice from behind me.
Looking at the source of the interruption,
I see what looks like ‘Jabba the Hut’
in a Park Ranger Uniform.

My inner voice mimics Jerry Seinfeild’s whine,
“Hellooo NEWMAN!”

The park is empty,
but Ranger Bob starts into his spiel...
“It's a parabolic arch, 630 feet tall...”

“Yeah, I know” I said,
“And 33 feet across at the narrowest point”
(A little tight...I thought to myself.)

“Oh, come ‘round here often?”

No not really,
It's been a while... I'm from out of state.

What brings yawl back?

Well, I'm on the parachute team that will be
jumping here this weekend for the show.
Just thought I’d look the place over.

“Ya know... that's somthin’ ah always...”

As I turned up the setting on my ‘bullshit filter’,
I thought to myself...
Hey dumpling, 3 inches taller and you'd be round!
Best you stick to riding herd over the tourists...

In a somber mood and wanting to be alone,
I gave him a quick nod and turned to walk
back to my car.
‘Simba’ following on my heels,
goes back into his canned mantra...

“This parabolic arch,
because of it’s design characteristics
and slick construction material,
actually acts much like an airplane wing...
creating unseen and often violent
vortices of wind turbulence...

“Oh yeah?” I said digging for my keys, “Great!”

He continued in a mindless monotone,
“It'll flip yer perryshoot round
like ‘yasina’ turnanaido'.”

Gimme a break Sneezy,
I’m thinking, ...Somewhere in town,
Snow White's got an empty chair at the breakfast table.

“How many jumps did you say you had?” I asked,
as I shut the door and started to drive away.

...Nothing worst than an “Expert Wuffo” I said to my self,
Give some people a fucking badge...

Later that afternoon we were scheduled to do a
Flag jump into Cardnial Stadium
prior to the start of a baseball game.
We wouldn't be able to do a practice jump into the
actual landing area as we like to do for stadium jumps,
but we could make one into the park next to the arch
where we would be landing the next few days
during the Air Show.

We could at least get to see the stadium from the air,
and get a general feeling for the winds...
and ‘knock the dust off’.

2500 feet in the 206,
throwing a WDI at the top of the St.Louis Arch...
that lands someplace in Nebraska...
We decide to take the spot WAY out...
Over the river into Illinois in fact!
Which was fine with me, for some weird reason,
I just don't like exiting over water...
Any water... Any time!

Four of us do a hop and pop from 4500’
and form up in a line heading across the
‘Mighty Miss’ toward the “Gateway to the West”

Though not a performance per say,
we did trail long Red, White and Blue banners
just to give those that happened to notice
something to look at.

Going across the river headed toward the city
was an indescribable experience,
St.Louis is a beautiful city and visiting downtown
in this manner is highly recommended!

As we near the Missouri side,
the park is busy with vendors and promoters
setting up their equipment for the 4th of July
celebration and Air Show.

Not crowded just busy...

I was tail end Charlie on the line and was delighted
to see the #1 guy go straight through the arch
1/2 way between the top and the ground...
I was half a mile back and to be honest
the perspective gave me a cold chill.
A chill that was instantly washed away as I set up for
my approach to ‘Run the Arch’

I was on an even level with the observation windows
at the top center and made eye contact with some people
taking pictures from inside...
the whole thing was awe inspiring,
and I was laughing and hoopin’ at the top of my lungs...
riding 1/2 brakes to slow it down and make
the ride last as long as possible.

About 100 yards past the monument that;
“Will be here longer that the Pyramids”
(...more ‘canned’ Ranger quips)

I started into a slow 180* hook
to get headed into the wind and set up for landing.

When...
SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT WARNING!

You guessed it!

First... I’m looking at my pilotchute...FROM BEHIND!
In the next instant...
I'm falling backwards toward the collapsing nose...
transfixed on how the slider is climbing back up the lines!

Hell..If I had a pull-up,
I could get this thing repacked before I LAND!
Talk about a time-saver!

Taking a wrap to hopefully assist...
I buried the steering lines to initiate a stall,
and at least get me back below some of this nylon...

Landing AFTER your parachute,
packed or not, ...is still bad form!

Knowing from years of competition accuracy
how to “pump” a stalling / sinking canopy
to stabilize and recover...
I started flapping like a gooney bird.

Fortunately I was using a 260 sqft. 9 cell,
the same rig I’d intended to take into the stadium
later in the day.
I actually hit straight down,
with no forward or backward drive
from the parachute or winds.

I stood there for a few seconds...
UN puckered...took a DEEP breath,
and wondered if I’d perhaps missed
a page or two in the “SIM”...

As the four of us were walking back up the hill
toward the equipment van,
comparing ripped jumpsuits and scrapped helmets,


Who should I spy
but my Park Ranger Acquaintance
from the sunrise stroll...

“ Ahh tried ta tell ya!” he drawled,
“ Ah bin watchin’ perryshoot guys tryin’ to land here
fer tin years now, nobody believes me!”

“Only happens when da win is from the East...
like today, but I tells ‘em all...
an all of ‘em think I’m jest a dumb country boy!”

Ya know...
EATING CROW isn't 1/2 bad...
smothered in adrenaline ‘Hot Sauce’!!

....I took “Officer Davis” to the van where I outfitted him
with a team pin, patch, hat and a tee-shirt.
As I repacked for the afternoon jump,
we traded tales like old friends,
I told him about the jumps both today and 20 years ago...
He told me about demo jumpers "dielemmas" at the
Archway Park that he'd witnessed and assisted with
going back a decade.

We exchanged business cards and handshakes,
and I recalled something my dad said to me years before,

Listen to more to WHAT someone is telling you,
and less to how and why they say it!






*****************************************

Stadium jump went great!
The grass is so perfect...
Depth perception is off, much like over water.

That and I was somewhat distracted just prior to landing...
Some movement caught in my peripheral vision
caused me to look left...

I still get kidded about the astonished expression
on my face, when I recognized my 50 foot head...
Live feed on the ‘Jumbo-Tron!!!”



Make a Skydive...Get a Check!


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steve1  (D 23640)

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I used to make some demo jumps in the old days. Anyone with more than a hundred jumps and a para-commander was usually invited. Well anyhow after a 25 year lay off I started jumping again. For some reason I figured I still knew it all. After all I used to go on all the big loads in the old days. A big load back then might have been a 12-way. Well anyhow I bought one of these new fangled square canopies, and I figured I'd start making demos again. Of course I didn't know what in the hell I was doing.

So I told the school I worked for that I'd jump into the football field for everyone's delight. An old jump buddy that I jumped with 30 years earlier had an airplane and volunteered to fly. He'd been out of the sport a long time too and probably didn't know anymore than I did.

The foot ball field was kind of down in a hole with tall cottonwood trees on the south with a hill and buildings on the east. And then the wind came up (from the south). Of course I didn't have a clue that the wind might collapse a canopy in this kind of situation.

The wind was about 15 knots when we took off, and getting worse. I had a good spot. I left at about 6,000 and after opening I did enough spirals to make myself sick. Everything was going according to plan and I was putting on a good show for everyone. The kids were hooping and hollering and the folks I worked with were grinning, and then I hit this turbulence from the trees. Suddenly I have this sickening falling sensation as I am setting up to land. My canopy had collapsed. I didn't know you should pump your brakes, in fact I wasn't even sure what was happening. And then just as quickly it re-enflates and I come in for a landing on the football field.

Some people say that you get smarter with age. After reading this story, we all know that isn't always the case......Steve1


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 10, 2003, 9:20 AM
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Steve
Your story reminds me of a time our college demo team
was going into the football stadium as a pre game warm up.

My roommate who had a couple hundred jumps
and a diamond wing attitude,
just flat would NOT play the winds going
into the stadium.

No matter which way the winds were blowing,
he would ALWAYS set up on the South end of
the field over the score board and 'sink' until he
felt he could run it in and make the 50 yard line...

On one occasion there was a brisk crosswind for
this type of approach.
Deep into the brakes his canopy all but
completely collapsed...

Instead of "pumping" the brakes together he wildly
punched them one at a time

Left..Right..Left..Right...

This only made matters worse and he was
TOTALLY out of control,
with what looked like four cells of a seven cell
Para Plane open and flying....

One of the few times in my life that I actually
hurt myself LAUGHING... SlySmile

He hung the canopy on top of one arm of the goal posts...
swung around about three times
and then CUT AWAY while still doing the Maypole! Shocked

Legs swim kicking and arms flailing...
he damn near made a STAND UP! Laugh

The Applause from the crowd continued for 15 minutes
as a male cheerleader shinnied up the post
and removed the 'decoration'. Cool


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AggieDave  (D License)

Nov 10, 2003, 10:49 AM
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He hung the canopy on top of one arm of the goal posts...
swung around about three times
and then CUT AWAY while still doing the Maypole!

Legs swim kicking and arms flailing...
he damn near made a STAND UP!

The Applause from the crowd continued for 15 minutes
as a male cheerleader shinnied up the post
and removed the 'decoration'.

And I'm sure the Whuffos in the stands thought that it was all part of an act.

Did yall get any media coverage from that one?


chuteless  (D 41)

Nov 10, 2003, 10:57 AM
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After posting a remark or two on the Ghoulidge thread, and feeling quite upset inside, I thought I'd add something to this thread, which might make me feel better inside.

Once when making a demo jump at a football game in Ohio, another jumper named Luicas and I drove to the airport to get readty. We found that the aircraft we had was a Cessna 170, a small taildragger. The seating room was not condusive to two guys with large sized rigs but we crambed our way into the back seat like sardines.

The pilot taxied out onto the grass strip, and did his engine runup.

He turned and looked at me and said, " she's only hitting on one magneto"

Hell, one is good enough....lets go for it I told him, and he poured the fuel to it and we began bouncing down the runway.

I think the aircraft may have been borderline to overloaded, but we kept going. Soon we were about run out of grass runway, and we werent up. I could see cars on the road that indicated where the runway stopped, and to make it worse, there was a large willow tree and an advertising billboard on the other side of the road, and about 35 ft between them.


We lifted off slowly, but the sign and the tree challenged our climb out.

The pilot banked the aircraft and neatly slipped between the sign and the tree.

He striaghtened out and turned to look at me, and all three of us were grinning like cats that had just raided the fishbowl.

real neat, I calls it....adrenalin just apumpin

WinkLaughSly

Gosh I miss those days !!!!!


Bill Cole D-41 Canada


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 10, 2003, 3:25 PM
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Did yall get any media coverage from that one?
In reply to:
Actually there was a shot of the canopy on the post in the student newspaper..which I have a few copies of somewhere...most likely in a pile at my folks house where I dumped everything in '81 after graduating...
Should go through that stuff someday! Unimpressed


AggieDave  (D License)

Nov 10, 2003, 3:29 PM
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You really should dig all your stuff up out of your boxes, write a book and have pictures. That'd be a great book.

Possibly get other jumpers to do the same, funny stories, etc, with pictures and such.

That'd be a kickass book!


usedtajump  (D 6813)

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Did yall get any media coverage from that one?
In reply to:
...most likely in a pile at my folks house where I dumped everything in '81 after graduating...
Should go through that stuff someday! Unimpressed

Well bud, you better get over there NOW and get what you want. Ask me how I knowMadFrownUnsure


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
You really should dig all your stuff up out of your boxes, write a book and have pictures. That'd be a great book.

Possibly get other jumpers to do the same, funny stories, etc, with pictures and such.

That'd be a kickass book!

Quote:
I have 25 years worth of aviation 'treasures' Smile

Signed posters from airshows all over the world..
new unworn event tee shirts...from shows, boogies..etc.
(Including one from the FIRST 'Freak Brother Convention.)
Skydiving and aviation artifacts...
Thousands of photographs...

I'm payin' 100.00 a month for a storage unit in San Diego
full of stuff that I never got around to moving here to Houston! Unimpressed

My honey is a notable aviatrix in her own right...
Airline Pilot, Air Racer, Air Show Performer, Aerobatic competitor...
(Lousy Cook) Shocked
We just don't have ROOM for the stuff we pack rat away!

I always figured I would open a bar when I hang it up,
and wallpaper the place with this junk...

And yes Dave...
I WILL serve Shiner! Wink


krkeenan  (C 7860)

Nov 13, 2003, 10:27 AM
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Great Thread - Thanks.
Here's an old one...
As a young Texas jumper in 1972, I made a trip to Elsinore, the Mecca of skydiving in those days. I was on an RW load going up in the Twin Beech. There were no seatbelts on jump planes, then, nor were jump doors seen very often. I was sitting in the back looking out the door as we started the takeoff. As the tail came up, I could feel it swing one way, then past the center the other way, then farther back again.

It was much later, after I became a pilot and had flown Beech a D-18, that I really understood how a ground loop works. The simple version is that the center of gravity is behind the landing gear, and if you're not careful, it tries to spin the airplane around.

After a couple swings of the tail, we broke loose into a ground loop. This was essentially a series of 360 degree turns while going down the runway at about 60-70 mph. Everyone was hanging onto rivets with their fingernails and everything else they could grab. I watched out the door as the entire airport went by several times, and the left wingtip got closer and closer to the ground. I figured that if that wingtip touched down, we could start to cartwheel. Luckily, that didn't happen, and we spun to a stop. Everyone's eyes were huge as we all looked at each other- freaked out and speechless. We couldn't even see anything outside because of all the dust stirred up by the plane.

After the pilot caught his breath, he yells. "Is everybody OK ?" We said we were, so he runs the engines back up, and taxis back to the end of the runway. I figured that was plenty of excitement for the moment, and we were probably going to take a break and check the airplane. Nope. He turns the plane around at the end of the runway and starts the takeoff again. This time, it went OK, and I thought, "Geez, these are sure some hard-core bastards out here." It turned out that the jumper who was riding in the copilot seat was a friend of the pilot, so the pilot was letting him make the takeoff. Presumably, they both learned something from that incident.

Kevin K.


steve1  (D 23640)

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Now that's a scary one!.....Steve1


krkeenan  (C 7860)

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What's really weird is that I was back at Elsinore a year ago for the first time since then (30 yrs.). I was telling some people that story, and it turns out that one of the guys I was doing CRW with had been on that load that day.
We got a hell of a laugh over that.

kevin


cruzlite  (A 44192)

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This one takes place in the 80's at a dz somewhere in the mid-west...
We go up to do a 4-way out of the 182, I'm spot & hang...I climb out, hang & look left...
The next guy out(who has only one good eye) is on the step, however he has left his pilot rapped around the the flap handle, and is unaware of it...
At this point I decide to "hang" around...
Time stands still as I make eye contact with the pilot-
I will never forget the look on his face Shocked
Without hesitation he reaches down, unrapps the pc,
and throws it down & out the door...
The guy on the step VANISHES .5 secounds later. I mean this guy DISAPPEARS!
I look back, the tail is still there, & 2-out is under canopy & turning.
So we go ahead & make a 3-way, break, turn, track,
& open...
Before I can get my brakes off, something hits my canopy, then goes past, & I'm thinking altimeter.. cause its (by now) so small...
I follow it down as far as I can & mark it's spot, then walk back (1/2 mile) to dz...
I walk up to this guy wondering if he has any idea how lucky he is, & ask him hows he doing...

"Great but I lost my helmet"


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This is no way as scary as some of the shit here but it is my story.

Back in '79 at Monks Corners, SC. I was doing my third or fourth static line on a T-10. I was last out of the plane and the method for telling you were to steer was a big arrow on the ground. When it was in use they uncovered the tip and it was bright orange so you would see it. Well I leave the plane and look up to a good canopy and then look down to a gray arrow. I try my best to steer in what I think is the right direction. After what seemed like an eternity I see people running across the ground to the arrow and uncovering the tip and spinning it around. Long story short I land on the road base driveway about 20 feet from a building with a corrugated steel roof. They had forgotten that there were four students in the plane.

Guess it was better than my friend who landed in a tree the same day! Cost him beer.


airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 5, 2003, 9:53 AM
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In another forum:
Someone was asking who carries a hook knife,
and if they've ever used one...

My answer fits better here than there! Wink



I always have at least one on every jump...

Usually I have one of those junk plastic two-finger jobs attached to the Velcro on my wrist altimeter,
and a 'Jack the Ripper' in a sewn pocket mid thigh.

I've used a knife twice...
Once to cut some lines over on a square reserve...
I cut 3-4 lines and got most of the spin stopped before smacking the ground 5 feet from the water at Elsinore.

A bit scary...but! Unsure

The first time was back in the mid 70's...
I was 19 and jump mastering a student load out of a 182...

I had a student in tow.

He was slowing spinning at the end of the static line
and was not showing any signs of consciousness.

Back then, procedure was...
If the student were conscious and aware,
they were to put both hands on their helmet
signaling to the jump master that they were 'ready'.

The jump master was then supposed to cut the
static line and the student would pull the handle
on the front mounted reserve. Cool

But...
If the student was 'out'...
The jump master was supposed to use the carabiner
we all carried on the main lift web, to attach himself
to the static line...
then slide down it to the student in peril.
Grasping the students reserve handle
you then cut the static line and deployed the
incapacitated jumpers reserve.

This "John Wayne" fantasy script was actually in
The Jump Masters Handbook! Smile
Who ever wrote this wet dream had obviously never
tried to do it because when I did...
there were a few 'problems' involved. Frown

(Another 'No Shit...' story) Angelic

First...
The student is not only a heavy weight on the
end of a rope, but there is air speed drag involved too...
pulling that static line extremely tight across the floor
and around the corner, down the fuselage.
Rather difficult to 'clip' on it, I contortion myself half
on the step, half in the plane,
...bloodying my fingers until finally getting attached.

Then...
I'm sliding ass over earlobes down the static line
smashing face first into the still spinning student.
Our bodies are 180 degrees out of alignment,
both of us facing away from the relative wind,
both slowly pin wheeling, winding the static line up
'rubber band' like.
I can't reach his reserve handle in this position
and looking down during the rotations,
I can see that we're descending,
no doubt from all the drag we both are now causing.

Followed by...
At this point self preservation mode kicks in...
I figure he's a gonner 'cause we're out of options and
using all the strength I have left to push myself away somewhat from him,
trying to get a clear swipe at the yellow rope
and be sure I don't get any of my harness with the blade,
...I feel this...
KaaSnappp...and he's gone!Smile

I guess the combination of my pushing off in terror,
and the ever tightening winding static line...
broke what ever was holding the container closed.

Finally...
As I watched the sleeve come off his back,
and lines unstow...
I feel this "Boink" and get a sharp snap through my body.

"Summptin' ain't right here..."Unimpressed

The student's gone, O.D. Green T-10 catching air...
and I'm sill swinging like Tarzan behind the 182!
There is a bunch of white material slapping my boots...
and this M-A1 Pilot Chute in my crotch!

Since I had a blue "Hot Dog" Pilot Chute on my main,
I figured somehow I'd popped and shredded my reserve!


Time really does slow down in these situations and I was thinking remarkably clear considering...Blush

I figured at this point, one of two things could happen.
I cut the static line and go for the main,
hoping it clears the remnants of my 23 foot
Tri-Con Reserve.
..which obviously I can't 'release' and,
I'm getting too low to hack at with the hook knife,
that I suddenly realized is still firmly clutched
in my teeth... where I put it while back on the plane's step when this adventure started.

Or..

I can land / crash with the plane,
and hope getting dragged at high speed down
the grass strip doesn't kill me. Pirate

We're in a right hand descending turn right over the
' Peas' , low enough that I can see the guys all looking up
and pointing.
..some moving vehicles away to give the pilot
all the room possible to bring it in.

"Screw IT!" Tongue

And I cut the static line.
..dropping my knife and nailing the main rip cord with both hands.
..closing my eyes as I flipped / cart wheeled away.

An instant later...
I'm in the saddle, Rainbow 252 over my head.
..in perfect position for an accuracy run at the disc!
Roughly 5 to 600 foot off the deck...

Well,
I made the pit, missed the disc.
..nothing left in my arms to sink or flare the canopy!

After I stopped shaking, and we starting putting
together what had transpired...

I was getting chastised for not pulling my reserve
since I was so low.
..I yelled back that I no longer HAVE a reserve,
citing how it was damaged during the ordeal...

The club's president then walks up to me...
(still wearing my rig)
...and pulls my reserve handle.
I stand there dumbfounded as it unloads off my back
onto the ground!?

WTF? Unsure

What happened was...
Someone...
(no one would come forward)
...had mistakenly used white 'Tack-Chord' instead of
'Break-Chord' when setting up several of the rigs.
There were 2-3 wraps on each of the 4 closing loops
and 5-6 wraps on the 'Bridle / Static Line' connection.
..on 2 other rigs in the bin. Shocked

Our wrestling match somehow blew the student
container open, and as he fell away.
..the weakest point remaining was the sleeve retaining line, which tore apart allowing the T-10 to open clean,
"Free Bag" style.
..leaving the sleeve and pilot chute still attached
to the static line.
The M-A1 bridle caught up against the carabiner clip on
my harness, the white cotton sleeve flapping in trail.

When I cut the line...the drag from the mess cleared everything away from me and I was simply in freefall
rather low...
...with an undamaged and workable rig!

...And the REST on the story;
The student was fine, and in fact most likely didn't know anything out of the ordinary had even happened.
..until he started picking up on the 'debrief' going on.

The pilot thought I had become disabled.
..and was headed to the open / plowed field
across the runway from the peas.
He has going to cut the static line up on his end
at around 500 feet.
..being a real considerate type,
he didn't want the guys to have to walk to far
to find my body! Cool

Shortly thereafter...we invested in these rather
new fangled dealies...from Snyder.
AOD's they were called back then.

We all decided if anything like what happened
to me occured again...
We'd just cut the static line from the aircraft...
A hope old Steve knew what he was doing with
'them Sentential things!" Angelic

The following week someone found one of those
orange rubber handled hook knives in the grass
next to the target area.
..I told him it was mine, could I please have it back.

He said there's no name on it, how do you know it's yours?

How?...

"Look at the fuckin' teeth marks in the handle!" Sly


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chuteless  (D 41)

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I was always told that the knife was to slit your throat before you mushed into Mother earth.

Gosh, ya learn somethin every day on DZ.com.

Bill Cole


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
I was always told that the knife was to slit your throat before you mushed into Mother earth.

Gosh, ya learn somethin every day on DZ.com.

Bill Cole

LOL! Smile

Ya know, Bill...I'd always heard that too! Laugh

A friend told me that's how to keep yourself off
the "Incidents" page in "Parachutist" magazine...

With a slit throat...you didn't die skydiving! Cool

Of course before long...Unimpressed

"Parachutist" would be offering that;

"Failure to properly sever the jugular in a timely manner,
was the cause of this skydiver to be killed upon impact...
Proper familiarization, training and utilization of approved safety equipment.
i.e. a hook knife, would have prevented this skydiving fatality.
It is up to each individual participant to take
measures to maintain their EDGE!"


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jerry81

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It's been said before, but Twardo, you should write a book! Actually, a lot of this thread could be compiled and printed out (dz.com Publications present; No Shit, There I Was... TongueLaugh)

But tell me, do you have any of those nine lives left at all?




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In reply to:
But tell me, do you have any of those nine lives left at all?

Quote:

I wonder too sometimes!
Tongue


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usedtajump  (D 6813)

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"If the student was 'out'...
The jump master was supposed to use the carabiner
we all carried on the main lift web, to attach himself
to the static line...
then slide down it to the student in peril."
------------------------------------------------------------

What balls he has ladies and gentlemen. Giant, brass ones that you have to haul around in a wheel barrowShocked

I had heard of that rescue method but you are the only one I ever heard of who actually inplemented it.

Yep, enormous, harry, pendulous.........


cruzlite  (A 44192)

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STOP!
Your killin me .... the tears are rollin... oh sh#!
I just p#@!%% my Pants


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Back then, procedure was...
If the student were conscious and aware,
they were to put both hands on their helmet
signaling to the jump master that they were 'ready'.

The jump master was then supposed to cut ...

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The way I remember it and the way I trained my students was this;

If you're concious then put your left hand on top of your head and the right on the reserve... If you're unconcious then put both hands on your head.

jon


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In reply to:
"If the student was 'out'...
The jump master was supposed to use the carabiner
we all carried on the main lift web, to attach himself
to the static line...
then slide down it to the student in peril."
------------------------------------------------------------

What balls he has ladies and gentlemen. Giant, brass ones that you have to haul around in a wheel barrowShocked

I had heard of that rescue method but you are the only one I ever heard of who actually inplemented it.

Yep, enormous, harry, pendulous.........


Quote:

Really Jer ?! Laugh

I've spoken to a few instructors from that 'bygone' era...
that utilized the procedure, with varying degrees of
success and similar outcome.

As far as your 'Big Harry Balls' comment...Tongue
I respectfully submit to you that at the time, I was merely
following the recommended procedure I had been trained in.
Believing my training and actions would successfully
bring the event a happy ending...
...after all if it was in the manual,
it must have happened enough for it to be addressed.

No...
I think the real 'Grande Balls' award goes to the instructors that follow a flailing student below their recommended
'hard deck' in life saving attempts that go
against recognized procedure. Cool

But then again...Unsure
You may have something there!
I finally figured out where I thought I might know you from,
We do indeed have a few mutual acquaintances...
From stories recalled, with consideration of your experiences;
I certainly can understand your comment
within the context you undoubtedly meant it. Wink


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Take it as a compliment of the highest order.Wink I'm sure that at the time, that proceedure seemed very practical and sane but, but .....but ..... well.... uh....God what were we thinking?ShockedLaugh

Edited to ask "where and who?"Laugh


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airtwardo  (D License)

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Take it as a compliment of the highest order.Wink I'm sure that at the time, that proceedure seemed very practical and sane but, but .....but ..... well.... uh....God what were we thinking?ShockedLaugh

Edited to ask "where and who?"Laugh

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Smile
If only we knew then what we know now huh?!

If you'll notice...
I included the fact at the very BEGINING of the
story, I WAS 19!Angelic
Weren't we ALL bulletproof at that age?!Crazy

I wouldn't even attempt something like that anymore..
But at the TIME...sure SEEMED like a good idea! Unsure

Actually what we did following that clustermuck...
was to add a D ring to the back section of the static lines,
near the end snap...the idea was to clip a belly mount reserve to the line...grab the ripcord..and cut the static line!
Hoping the cross connectors...and the D ring would hold on and basicly 'teather' the student down under the spare reserve kept in the plane during student operations.

Looked kinda Rube Goldberg to me...
But I sure wasn't ever gonna Tarzan that rope again!! Shocked


tonybrogdon  (D 12855)

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In twenty years of skydiving, the scarest thing I witnessed was on a demo I organized in downtown Enseneda, Mexico. I was on the first load of 50 skydivers because I was the only one who actually knew where the DZ was. In the attached picture the target was on the bottom right, a x'd circle in a parking lot across from the Corona Hotel. ( Its another story why I was the only one who knew where the spot as ). We flew 2 DC-3's and a single Twin Otter directly from Lake Elsinore crossing the border directly to Enseneda. Without my knowledge, a Mexican skydiver from Enseneda had managed to board one of the DC-3's in Lake Elsinore. He was on the last pass of the last airplane. Everyone on the ground was celebrating what an historical moment it was when all eyes became focused on the Mexican skydiver who had twisted his legstrap and wasn't able to pull out his pilot chute. Anyone there who witnessed this would tell you we could see him strugling for his pilot chute literally to the last second when he went for his reserve, which we found out later he had packed with mutiple line twist. When it came out 200 feet from the ground in a stall position he impacted on the roof of a car on the parking lot, slid down the hood and was standing up in front of the car as I arrived expecting to see a lot of blood. I ask him was he okay, he brushed me aside and said, " I'm okay, I have done this before?"
Then he walked over and began repacking his reserve on the dirt parking lot. A Mexican two star Air Force General who witnessed the event, not knowing it was one of his own, was very upset at me. The next day as we were preparing to leave, he requested to see me for an explanation. Every demo after that, I was required by the authorities, to prove that every skydiver had a "D" license.
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airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 8, 2003, 1:27 PM
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Tony

Was that the one you organized into the new hotel?

I was on that one! Cool

Oh...and remember 'Hot Springs' ?? Wink


slug  (B License)

Dec 8, 2003, 3:43 PM
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When it came out 200 feet from the ground in a stall position he impacted on the roof of a car on the parking lot, slid down the hood and was standing up in front of the car as I arrived expecting to see a lot of blood. I ask him was he okay, he brushed me aside and said, " I'm okay, I have done this before?"

Sounds like a emergency procedure worth rememberingWink

If your have to land hard in a parking lot, go for the trunck or hood of a large car and some of the impact will be absorbed by the inclined sheet metalPirate.

The car owners might have collision or comprehensive insurance coverageShocked the jumper could pay the owners deductableWink which would be less expensive than the ride to the hospital.Sly

R.I.P.


SkyPsycho

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Maybe were just nutzCrazy..but here's another one I found funny.

Awhile back at the Herd. There was a full otter load at altitude on jumprun. My friend (John Doe) flicked the two switches and turned off the engines. The pilot panicked and ordered everyone out the plane. End result...everything was fine and nobody was injured.


i know this is a wayyy old post, but someone posted a link in a recent post, and its alot of good reads......

i was on that load........yer friend was with my group riding copilot. i was at the door......noone relayed pilot said get out, but when that engine sputtered, i had the door open before anyone even knew what the hell happened........had that plane not stayed level, i was outta there.........we were nowhere near the dz either.....


tonybrogdon  (D 12855)

Dec 16, 2003, 10:45 AM
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Hi Jim;

No, the one I was describing was in Enseneda, Mexico. It was our first event after reopening Elsinore. The one at Murretta Hot Springs was fun one though.

Tony


airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 21, 2003, 12:48 PM
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Hi Jim;

No, the one I was describing was in Enseneda, Mexico. It was our first event after reopening Elsinore. The one at Murretta Hot Springs was fun one though.

Tony

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Tony-

You invited my room mate 'Mark' and I on
one sometime around then...
(another Elsinore reopening) Wink

We took the DC-3 down and jumped into
some newly built hotel right on the beach.

I remember the jump well, as it was the
2nd jump on my new...
Red-White & Blue, * 21 cell * 'Excalibur'
and it being just the 2nd time I'd ever
'PRO' packed...

SURE! SlyBlush

Why NOT do a demo over the
Pacific Ocean!? Shocked

The spot was well off shore...
After our 8 way, I turned, tracked & dumped...
only to watch my new 'investment'
flutter away for 1500 feet before opening!

Easily making the beach...
I did get some flack about opening low... Angelic

I just wanted to be sure that if I chopped
it, I would be close enough to recover it and
swim everything back in...( cough cough ) Crazy


oldfart

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  This doesn't count as a skydiving story either but it reminded me of something.My dad joined the Army in 1936 and served 4 years.When his hitch was almost up in 1940,he and his buddy were watching the 101 st Airborne train at Fort Benning.He and his buddy talked to the recruiting officer who told them to be back in the morning to sign up.They both wanted to reenlist but weren't sure what branch they wanted.
Both my dad and his buddy ended up getting roaring drunk that evening and picked up a couple of hookers.They forgot all about the 101 Airborne,instead my dad opted for the Coast Guard and spent D Day skirting the North Atlantic on the Destroyer Escort USS Savage.This was hazardous enough duty as had he had gone and joined the paratroopers,he probably would not have survived.My sister 's and my own existence are due in part to alot of alcohol and some hookers who happened to be in the right place at the right time.


katieangel

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Hey - I am from Missoula, jumped there in the late 70's in the summer. My name was Melinda Wolfe - my dad is still there, the orthodontist - Deloit Wolfe.
Missoula was fun but not as crazy as my home DZ - Sheridan, OR, Ted Mayfield, Elevator, - now all gone.
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steve1  (D 23640)

Feb 7, 2004, 7:56 PM
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Katieangel,
I started jumping in Missoula in about 72'. I'm terrible with names and may have jumped with you. I also jumped at Sheridan at times and recall Ted Mayfield and Elevator well. The jumping is shut down in Missoula now. Everyone in the area jumps at Stevensville, which is owned by Hod Sanders. He started jumping in 72 in Missoula. B.J. Worth started in about 70 there also. Bring your rig if you get back to the area. It'd be fun to see you again...Steve1


Magikchild  (D 26990)

Feb 11, 2004, 4:06 AM
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 I spoke with Gary yesterday and, although he was initially evasive, he stated that he had indeed jumped the eye of Hurricane Donna, but said "Kinda, we only went to 2000 feet though."
He still works on aircraft around the DeLand airport.
He asked why I wanted to know & I told him about the thread. He laughed & said " Don't tell anybody, I dont want people to think I'm crazy"
Lemme know if you wanna know more & I'll ask him.


Surf

Feb 12, 2004, 7:47 AM
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I don't know if Gary is married, but if he is I know his wife sits in the back of the car, as his balls are riding shotgun.

If you can get the whole story from him (or get him here to post it himself) I'd be indebted.


Casurf1978  (A License)

Feb 12, 2004, 4:37 PM
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BEST THREAD ever. Newbie here and some of these stories scare the crap out of me. Especially the mexican dude one and the other one where Air has to slide down the S/L. JESUS. Also I'm learning at Elsinore and until recently was not aware of the history of that DZ, also didn't know it was reopened back in the 70's.


jonstark  (D 8298)

Feb 12, 2004, 7:19 PM
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I would be willing to bet that Doopie never married.

He sure is a character!!!


jimp

Feb 14, 2004, 1:21 PM
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From a newspaper clipping about 1971

"Who put that plane there?"

Wolverhampton, England

Two men and a woman leaped from a plane at 10,000 feet yesterday, only to discover there was another plane immediately below them.

The two men - Michael Bolton, 33, and
Michael taylor, 30 - both hit the plane and had miraculous escapes.

Bolton crashed through the fabric body of the de Haviland Rapide and landed on the floor of the passenger compartment. Both his wrists were broken.

Taylor landed on the tail of the plane and parachuted to safety, landing with leg injuries.

The woman, Sally Caine, 26, using a free-fall technique, managed to steer clear of the plane as hundreds of air show spectators watched the drama.

End of article.

As I remember, this was an early British large star attempt, 15 or so, and there were three aircraft in formation. These three lucky folks ( or unlucky, depending on your point of view) exited an Islander which had drifted out of formation on exit.


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winsor  (D 13715)

Feb 20, 2004, 7:07 AM
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In reply to:
Steve, you've obviously done or been involved in far too many scary things.... But this is pretty scary:

http://www.dropzone.com/...i?post=271512#271512

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Also:
While I missed it, the pilot at Turners Falls SPC in the late 1970's flew the Beech under one of the bridges, legend had it. He was definitely crazy enough and physically skilled enough to have done it, too...reply]

Three of the people on the plane said "go for it!" The fourth was not amused, and turned him in to the authorities.

In the hearing he was asked if he would do it again, and he responded "yeah."

Wrong answer - they pulled his ticket for life.


Blue skies,

Winsor


bravoniner  (B 8305)

Mar 3, 2004, 2:00 PM
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Turn the clock back to 1970 ... maybe '71: I was hanging off the strut of our club's 180 as the rest of a three-way (we called 'em a "3-man" back then) got positioned in the door. Otto, our jump pilot, was always good for an occasional thrill. This time, for reasons unknown, he really lost it -- pitching up hard and rolling to the left. Everybody got tossed out or off. Once I rolled face-to-earth I was stunned to find the jump plane directly below me in a fully developed spin. I was still way sub-terminal, so the closure rate wasn't breathtaking. But I grabbed a hard track and watched anxiously as the horizontal separation slowly kicked in and took me out of immediate danger. (No RW this jump!)

I KNOW there was some follow-up discussion with Otto but, for the life of me, I can't recall the specifics of what was said. What I do remember is that it took a LONG time for everything to unpucker.

Bravoniner


chuteless  (D 41)

Mar 3, 2004, 2:30 PM
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With a name like OTTO he probably flew ME 109 or Fock-wolf 190 during the war. LOL

A very dear friend of mine died a few years ago, he was the last surviving German pilot of W W I, 102 yrs, 10 months.

I have two other friends (still alive who flew ME 109 and Focke-Wolf 190 aircraft, both great guys.


bravoniner  (B 8305)

Mar 3, 2004, 2:40 PM
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Naw, Otto was just an ol' beerdrinker from Milwaukee. He flew like a maniac, but it was lung cancer that finally took him some years back.

We have a licensed, active member of our glider club (still sits in back and instructs) who flew a Fiesler Storch for the Luftwaffe. Gunter is well into his 80s and way too tough to hang it up.

Bravoniner


slug  (B License)

Mar 4, 2004, 11:35 PM
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We were jumping rounds on a farm in Ks and someone decided to locate the pea gravel pit 100 yds or so from the road and power lines that ran next to the road. Due to the prevaing winds are approach would be righ over the power lines.

We were young and dumb and didn't understand how bad those little lines on the wooden poles could be. We probaly lucked out some by missing the DZ. But we did have some close calls no injuries but did shut off the power to the next town once. After I left the area a s/l student landed in the lines and got hurt "very bad" in front of her kids and family.

Once were were drivng from the same DZ to another one that had a twin beech and passed by Big transmission lines steel towers etc. Damn they were close to the DZ and it didn't take a rocket scientist to know they were very bad. This was around 1970 and most of us were vets, the army guy in the car a ex LRP SP? guy says no problem want me to blow it?.Crazy.

LMAO couldn't tell if he was serious or not uh no thats ok will just have to miss them or die.

The few jumps we made there we never got close to those lines. Wish I could have said the same for those little sissy looking one's at our home DZ.

Young and dumb. Of couse we were trained what to do in case we went thru the lines but I think that was wishful thinking.

R.i.P.


lawrocket  (Student)

Jun 17, 2004, 3:57 PM
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BUMP

Best thread ever.

I want more...


macey  (B 101902)

Jun 18, 2004, 3:39 AM
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Hi, I know Mike quite well (he put me out of the Rapide as when I was a student in the 70's). Apparently, the Rapide pilot's reaction was "Where the f**k did you come from!".

Mike still jumps, he was CCI at Redlands (UK) until last year.


skybill  (D 6009)

Jun 18, 2004, 6:28 PM
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It's true. Photo sequence is in an old Scare-a-chutist and or Lyle Cameron's SkyDiver mag. I have them buried in my archives.


RogerRamjet  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 10:04 AM
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I made a lot of jumps out of that plane...

Hey Pops, since this is scary stories thread, I heard one while I was jumping at Z-Hills in the 70's about your plane losing a whole landing gear with jumpers and having to land at McDill (foam). Was that a tale, or did it really happen?


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Jun 25, 2004, 10:53 AM
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your plane losing a whole landing gear with jumpers and having to land at McDill (foam). Was that a tale, or did it really happen?

I remember reading the article in Parachutist, complete with pictures -- I'd say it was real. But I thought it was Tampa Bay skydivers (of course, that may have been Pop's plane). I remember the Tampa Bay because when I next went to visit my grandmother in Clearwater, I looked for the DZ in the phone book. Couldn't find it.

Wendy W.


markd_nscr986  (C 11969)

Jun 25, 2004, 2:11 PM
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Well,there I was skydiving hard...........
This happened at a Zhills meet in the late 70's (78?)
Going for a 24 way out of a lodestar based in Stormville,N.Y.........spotting was slow,people were unorganized lining up....floaters were slow getting out and.......the plane began to buffet........Mr No.24 starting screaming(like a girlTongue)"he's losing it,he's losing it,get out, get out!!!!!Well the plane went tail down attitude and the power came back on....the 3 floaters blew off and a panic scramble for the door ensued I was # 9 and floated out the door got big and went over the tail.......people were everywhere.....the "lodestall "passes me in freefall nose to earth at this point with landing gear down people still dribbling out of it.Started looking around say a 4 way on the horizon tracked over and closed 6th or so...built to a 8 or 9 way round......lodestall recovered about 5 or 6000 ft(we had started at 15k)everyone made it to the ground and started congratulating themselves on making it out alive and adjourned to a local saloon for some tuborg gold.....moral of story.....dont pile up a bunch of people for any length of time in a slow moving lodestall!!!


RogerRamjet  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 2:21 PM
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your plane losing a whole landing gear with jumpers and having to land at McDill (foam). Was that a tale, or did it really happen?

I remember reading the article in Parachutist, complete with pictures -- I'd say it was real. But I thought it was Tampa Bay skydivers (of course, that may have been Pop's plane). I remember the Tampa Bay because when I next went to visit my grandmother in Clearwater, I looked for the DZ in the phone book. Couldn't find it.

Wendy W.

Entirely possible, remember this was 30 years ago and I got it 2nd hand. Let's see, Tampa Bay Skydivers... I think that might have been the group at State Road 54 and I-75. There were only so many groups around the area at that time, Z-Hills (commercial center at the time), Riverview, SR54, and the Sod Farm near 301 in Tampa. Maybe another old-timer will remember the facts better.

It also makes sense because I think Pop and his operation are/were too far South for MCDill, he probably would have gone to Homestead AFB for foam landing.


(This post was edited by RogerRamjet on Jun 25, 2004, 2:22 PM)


nitrochute  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 8:47 PM
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tampa bay parachute ranch was run by mac macgraw.i remember seeing the story about the landing gear falling off in flite in parachutist circa 1978.also mac was the only survivor from a 1966 jump plane crash at united p.c. in pennsylvania.he was jumpmastering a load of novices for the first Mid Eastern Parachute Association (MEPA)meet of the year.it was a pilot who was just starting to fly jumpers in the Howard DGA 15(this was his first day). shortly after takeoff ,around 500 feet a.g.l.,the aircraft entered a dynamic stall,and went over onto its back.mac was in the jumpmaster seat with his reserve off on the floor. ( the right seat had been turned around so he was facing the rear of the aircraft) .as the aircraft went over he reportedly shouted "follow me" and actually left the aircraft with the door strait up.his para commander(PC) barely had time to open.only one other person made it out but deployed his main canopy and impacted on line stretch.the air craft with 4 on board (and full fuel) exploded and burned on impact.at the time, mac reported that when he left the pilot had the yolk in his gut and full right rudder.


poppenhager  (D 47)

Jun 27, 2004, 4:13 PM
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Windy is right,it was Tampa Bay Skydivers and it did happen.C-182 right main gear separated when jumpers were standing on it during exit.Mac Mcgraw was the pilot.
Pop D-47


pa2themd  (D 852)

Jun 30, 2004, 3:07 AM
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WOW!!!!!

Thanks to all for sharing....can we have some more??? It took me two days to read this instead of working and studying and my tummy ached from laughing so much!!

If we had to pull any of this shit now...I guess my grandchildrens, grandchildren will never be allowed near a DZ!!!Smile Never mind under canopy!

Thanks to those who came before us, whom we now learn from and look up to!!Smile


skybill  (D 6009)

Jul 6, 2004, 11:22 AM
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Scary Stories!!! They are all scary, just some more than others!! New Years Eve '63-64' don't remember which, Ben and Barry Seal are going to make a "New Year Jump" leave the Piper Tri-pacer 30 seconds before midnight and open 30 seconds after midnight. This was at Hammond Airport Louisiana at that time DZ for Southland Skydivers and Louisiana Skydivers and other Jump Bums. The jump went as planned, they exit, freefall, do a night 2-man, separate and dump. Ben gets open and Barry has a Total!!!! He shakes the rig (remember boys and girls this is early 60's B-4 harness, chest reserve and a "NAVY NB-8" container!! It had a stifiner accross the top under the top cone to help flatten out the pack.) The pilot chute was caught under the top cone and down Barry goes!! They were probably a bit low? but time flys when you're having fun! Barry shakes the rig a couple of times and rolls over as he goes for his reserve. He pulls the ripcord and tosses out the reserve(remember, no pilot chute) . The ground was right there and "BAM" Barry thought he bounced!!! He was on the deck and quite alive! Got out of his rig and was running around, jumping up and down yelling,"I'M ALIVE, I'M ALIVE!!" This happened at the north end or runway 36-18 and most of us ground crew were at the south end. A bunch of us get in Billy Bankston's convertable and head to the "Scene" Barry is running around still yelling "I'M ALIVE!!" and some of us check out his gear. From the harness, the main (28' 7-TU) was open and colapsed (no wind!) just like normal. The reserve was stretched out and still folded with about 2/3rds of the lines out just like it was on a table being packed!!!!!! When Barry rolled over the wind blast blew his pack open and started his main deploying, it got open just above the deck!! His strung out reserve just settled to the ground as I said. He probably got primary opening shock and hit the ground!!! Close? Yeah, I'd say that was close. Don't know where Ben is these days, Barry Seal was involved in some strange deals, got killed years later and that's another story. As for the jump, I was there and I saw it. As I remember, also in attendance were Numan Gill B-1929 ( my later to be first jump instructor) Ken Gillard, Billy Bankston, Ben and Barry's dad and younger brother Wendell and a few other "spectators."


chuteless  (D 41)

Jul 6, 2004, 1:59 PM
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I attended the boogie at SGC in May of this year. Before going to Xenia, I visited an old friend Gary Freeze, once known as the Buckeye Gypsy Moth.

Gary would often come to Ontario and make demos with me and I would go to Greensprings Ohio and make demos with him.

I hadnt seen Gary for 30 years (1974) and when I visited him in May, he told me he had had both hips replaced "twice". This was the result of a demo back in the mid 1970s. He is now in constant pain and waddles like a wounded duck when he walks.

It was a local jump in the Greensprings area, and he had a main chute malfunction.

He quickly cutaway, and pulled his front mount reserve chute, and it stayed in the pack.Crazy

Gary drove it with his fist, and it came out somewhat reluctantly, but the canopy although it was a streamer behind him, refuse to inflate.

He grabbed the lines and shook them, and the reserve finally opened close to the ground, and began to osscillate wildly.

Gary hit the pavement flat on his back, and was hurting badly.Frown

He later made a few more jumps, before finding out he had cracked his pelvis, and for some medical reason, the blood flow wasnt getting to the hurt spot, so it wasnt healing as it should have.

When I was at SGC, I met a mutual friend, Paul Nineinger, a man now 68 yrs old. He and I sat on the porch of SGC and we were discussing Gary's malfunction, and Paul told me that Gary had left out one key factor when he related the story to me.

A few days before Gary made the jump and had to use his reserve, he had made another jump, and landed in some water.

Being as it was February, his reserve was frozen shut, and that was the reason both the container and the canopy refused to open when he cutaway a few days later.

When Paul told me this truth, I laughed for a week, and vowed to visit Gary again and kick his butt for using a frozen reserve.

On a night jump many years ago, one of those nights with no moon, and no light from any other source, Gary jumped carrying a flare inside his jumpsuit which he intened to light after opening, and let hang on a 15 foot line below him when under the canopy. This would give him some light as he approached the ground.
. Since the night sky was as black as the insides of a bruised crow, Gary couldnt see his instruments, so guessed he had fallen long enough and opened his chute.

He pulled the flare from his jumpsuit, and struck the ignitor, and the flare burst into a red glow. Gary threw it hard beneath him, and the flare bounced of the ground, just as he hit the earth himself.

Close....but close dont count.


airtwardo  (D License)

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Since the night sky was as black as the insides of a bruised crow,

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Bill...I so badly want to ask just
HOW you know what the inside....Blush

Never mind! Sly


RogerRamjet  (D License)

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Ok, scary stories from the past, lets see. Somehow this didn't scare me nearly as much at the time as it does now....

Z-Hills, circa late 1973, 4 man RW jump from a 182. Jim Thrasher is flying, don't remember the other three jumpers, but I was on the jump. We're on jump run, I get out and hang from the strut with just my toes on the step. Two jumpers on the step, one poised in the door. We start the count, 3, 2,... right about there Jim yells "have a good jump!" Or.. that's what I thought I heard... 1, go! I let go and immediately go face down and look right into the eyes of two guys looking right back up at us from within a twin (something fairly small) about 30 feet below us. They were about 50 feet below the jump plane going in the opposite direction. Jim was yelling "Don't jump!" as loud as he could. Oh well, we missed them, but not by much. Somewhere on an aircraft forum, some old timer pilot is leaving a message about the time some skydivers almost dropped into his plane.....


FlailingJohn  (Student)

Jul 14, 2004, 11:10 PM
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Thank you for this thread. It gives a perspective to us newbie jumpers just how far the sport has evoultionized in in the past 20 or more years.

Indeed best thread ever!!!!



^^


skybill  (D 6009)

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See the Video!!!!!!!!!!! Sinko-D-Mayo (05MAY85) ScareusValley, Fielding Fiasco (Night) Forty-way Attempt Sunset Practice Load!!!! N157Undertaker DC-3 and the Twin otter A/C involved. 57U is suppose to take off first and the otter will "catchup!!" Jerry Spencer is videoing a student on a tandem. Lots of ground shots and then we get to the plane. As was common back then, Jerry gets in the door and begins to film the takeoff. We taxi out to the north side of the runway all the way to the end out in the dirt. Skip turns 57U around and starts the takeoff roll. Jerry is filming from the door. I'm up by the bulkhead sitting by the left side window watching the action. The engines are singing, we're picking up speed and then BANG SPUTTER SPUTTER LOTS OF ORANGE (FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) The left engine is broken free from the mount just hanging by some wires and cables and it's on fire. Skip shuts everything down and we roll to a stop. Everyone keeps their cool and Al Krueger is by the door taking charge saying, "You out, you out, you out...) came my turn, I was gone!! We ran out into the field and within what seemed like no time at all everyone was out!!! The plane was now engulfed in flames, Jerry is still out in the field with the camera still runing!!!!!
You really have to see the video!!!!!!!!
After it rains, if you walk out to just past the end of the asphalt where 57U burned you may still find pieces of the melted aluminum in the dirt. Kick around, you'll find something. Then look down the runway to the south. If we had gotten off the ground before the engine blew, ...............??????


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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Everyone keeps their cool and Al Krueger is by the door taking charge saying, "You out, you out, you out...) came my turn, I was gone

Bill,
That was Chet Bennett at the door.
Sparky


skybill  (D 6009)

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Thanks Sparky!,
I stand corrected. Things were sure happening fast for those few seconds! Thanks again to "Bad man Bennet!!"


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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Bill,
When you going to make it out to the west coast.
Sparky


hottamaly  (D 15263)

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I just saw Chet the other day, he looks good.


tonybrogdon  (D 12855)

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Sorry it has taken so much time to respond on this one. You are right about the hotel on the beach in Enseneda. It was after the one first descibed above. The one one you mentioned we helped open the Baja Country Club south of Enseneda then made two jumps on the beach of the Baja Beach and Tennis Club (same owners), the second being at sunet. That was an exciting time jumping onto the pennsula.


skybill  (D 6009)

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Hi there 986,
Funny about Loadstalls, they have problems on the ground as well as in the air!!!! Drag your brain back to the SCR Stumbles, Elsinore, Labor Day Weekend '75. Besides the Beeches and Howards in attendance, someone brought in a "Loadstall!!" I think it was Larson and Schaffer's from Casa Grande (anyone remember for sure who???) Anyway, we're having fun at the Stumbles and there is a wind change now "to the lake" so the airplanes taxi down to the far end and takeoff toward the hanger!! 'Twas fun, people would get in the middle of the "approach" between the hanger and the ghetto cheering as the planes tookoff and passed overhead!!! I was hanging out at the old covered packing tables talking to Chuck Knight and his girlfriend Cissy when the Loadstall comes by the gaspumps at high speed, brakes screeching and smoking, people scattering out of its' way and comes to a stop just inches from the chain fence!!!! The jumpers in the plane make a mad dash exit "And Do A Ground Star!!!" Pandemonium insues and the Loadstall is the center of attention!! On takeoff run (lake to hanger) at about Vmc (the speed at which the aircraft is suppose to fly with the {critical} engine out!!)[yeah right!!] the Loadstall blew a jug "just" before liftoff or thereabouts!!!!!! The pilots did a great job stopping the plane and thank the almighty nobody got hurt!!! The Reaper swung hard on that one!! Or was it only a practice swing?? That was the end of the Loadstall jumps for the Stumbles. I have some slides (35mm) I took right after the plane stopped. I'll try to get them scanned or whatever and post them. Any hot tips on how to repro slides to disc ??


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markd_nscr986  (C 11969)

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Hey Bill......I think it was Larsons????I did make some dives out of a C195 he had at casa gulch and tried to talk him into making a dive out of his heliocourier......needless to say,I wont repeat the language he used to reply to thatLaughLaughI will scan some more of my stuff in ( probably this weekend if I get time,be in my "gallery")No clue on slides to a disc......only way I know of is slide to print then scan print..........


Raistlin

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I guess year 2000 makes it old, right?

Anyway, our DZO was asked to do a stunt for some show. The stunt was to imitate a helicopter emergency exit, the door is stuck, and he kind of knocks the door out with his legs, slides out with it for a few seconds standing on it (like skysurf), then breaks off and deploys. The door is basically a 6x6 (maybe less) feet sheet of metal.

Exit altitude was 7k. They modified it - gave it a 3-ring release so he could stand on it. The first take went uneventfully. They asked to do a second take. He kicked the door out, slided out with it, and could not release the door to get away from it (later found out his shin was somehow blocking the 3-ring - it doesn't take much pressure to hold it y'know)

He decides to throw his main which was a Velocity 84 (ack). The air bubble above is pretty big so first two tries the pilot chute would just fall back onto the door. The third time he threw it out really far and it deployed his x-brace, but gave him an awful spinning momentum, so he is now spinning really fast, and the Velo opened with about 5 twists. By this time the centrifugal force gives him a hard time cutting away - which he does - and pulling the reserve - which he doesn't.

He spun all the way to the ground on the door. The Cypres did not fire.

It was March. There was some snow on the ground still. He lived. He had a blue face and blue limbs from all the spinning, and internal injuries and broken bones, but he lived (in the end he had more injuries from spinning than the impact).

He still jumps, a living legend...


skypuppy  (D 347)

Aug 25, 2004, 7:38 PM
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Name ???

not to poke fun at or make trouble, I just think he did really well in a bad situation... My hat is off to him...


Raistlin

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airtwardo  (D License)

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Well,there I was skydiving hard...........
This happened at a Zhills meet in the late 70's (78?)

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My Zhills story~

It was a year or two before your's...

I went down to Florida from Illinois with a
bunch of club members for some mid-winter
jumping and consumption drills. Wink



I didn't have a whole lot of jumps at the time,
and this was my first venture into BIG airplane
skydiving.

Gut gear..Bell helmet...faded Para-Gear jumpsuit,
looking around skydiving's Mecca...
~ I was a tad self conscious to say the least,
feeling WAY out of my element. Unsure

Staying both wide eyed and invisible,
I was the brunt way of too many jokes and good
natured kidding about my gear and experience...

Being the only guy on a round (Pap) I was
always first out of the DC3 in hopes of shortening
the walk back to the drop zone...

In the aeroplane on takeoff roll for yet another
60 second, 'one way' solo RW jump, I was looking
around at the guys close to me...thinking;
"Some Day....!"Blush

The guy across from me, in the jumpsuit with the
Golden Knight and US Parachute Team patches,
taps on the altimeter / stopwatch plate affixed to
top of my reserve..and winks saying~

"At least you're always on time for lunch!"

...which brings quite a laugh from all on board
that were close enough to hear.Frown

We're climbing through about 9 grand...
1/2 the guys are 'sleeping'... some talking,
some deciding if it's time yet to start getting
the rest of their gear on...

I'm staring at my GK tormentor thinking
to myself how if we were back in MY element...
a football field or a boxing ring...

I'd unceremoniously mop the floor with him
for further bruising what was left of my ego...



...When...Shocked




I thought I heard / felt / censed...
something 'different' about the aircraft.

Almost no one else seemed to notice, except
for 'GI Joe" across from me...
who quickly strapped on his helmet and
tightened his harness...

I followed suit...but really didn't know why.

"Be ready...do what I do" he said to me
with a nod, and as if on cue-
A jug or two on the right engine lets loose!

"WE'RE OUTTA HERE!" he yells slapping my arm
as I dumbly follow him out the door.
I'm trying to get stable looking back up at
the ole '3' as black smoke pours from
behind the old girl...when from nowhere
~almost as if rehearsed...Cool

My NEW best friend grabs my hands and gives
me the warmest smile I'd ever seen.
We (he actually!) broke it into a line
so we both could look up at the plane
as a comical trail of people...helmets...gloves...
everything imaginable FINALLY begins to rain
from the wounded bird.Crazy

I looked at the 'dashboard' on my reserve
to check altitude when my favorite RW partner
nods and mouths "NOW!" Smile
so I smiled and dumped...

I opened around 4500' and with the winds...
landed spitting distance from the peas !!!

A pack job and a Ham Sandwich later ~
the rest of the load starts walking in...Mad

WHERE THE HELL did you get out!?
one of the hikers asked us...

"Beats ME" my buddy said nodding my direction...

"I just followed the 'KID'...he seemed to
know the drill." Sly



The rest of the vacation went GREAT!


"Hoop" loaned me a 'real' parachute to use
the rest of the week...
somebody GAVE me a real jumpsuit!

And....I even got my SCR!!! Cool

My "Solo RW" ~ Being 'Invisible' ~
days were over,

................FOREVER!!




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mjosparky  (D 5476)

Dec 26, 2004, 6:14 PM
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Staying both wide eyed and invisible,

6' 5" or 6' 6" or so, how and the hell do you stay invisible at that altitude wearing gutter gear?TongueSmile

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somebody GAVE me a real jumpsuit!

Paul Gorman is the only one I can think of back then that would have a jumpsuit to fit you.Shocked

Another example of how you can learn by listening to the more experienced jumpers.Sly

Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

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6' 5" or 6' 6" or so, how and the hell do you stay invisible at that altitude wearing gutter gear?

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Sure...

I may fly like a Man Hole Cover~


But I'm "STEALTHY" Tongue


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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I may fly like a Man Hole Cover~

But a "Man Hole Cover" with "Cool". After all, you have been to Kill Devil Hills.Cool

Sparky
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steve1  (D 23640)

Dec 27, 2004, 10:42 AM
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Great story Airtwardo! Tell us another one.....Steve1


lawrocket  (Student)

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Great story Airtwardo! Tell us another one.....Steve1

I don't think anyone tells stories as good as Airtwardo. Thanks to him, "Yard! A long distance dinger" has entered my vocabulary.

And steve, this is easily the best thread ever.


airtwardo  (D License)

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After all, you have been to Kill Devil Hills.


Quote:

http://www.dropzone.com/...jpg&img=&tt=


Notice how my leg is trying to make
the monument...invisible!? Tongue



That's one demo story that won't end up
in THIS thread!

The smoothest, safest, fastest building 20way
anyone could ever hope to be in on...Cool

Considering it was thrown together using
a bunch of PRO Rated demo jumpers...

~ 'Old Guys' ~

... that had for the most part NEVER MET...
much less jumped together!

Roger Ponce is simply amazing! Angelic


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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In reply to:

After all, you have been to Kill Devil Hills.


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http://www.dropzone.com/...jpg&img=&tt=


Notice how my leg is trying to make
the monument...invisible!? Tongue



That's one demo story that won't end up
in THIS thread!

The smoothest, safest, fastest building 20way
anyone could ever hope to be in on...Cool

Considering it was thrown together using
a bunch of PRO Rated demo jumpers...

~ 'Old Guys' ~

... that had for the most part NEVER MET...
much less jumped together!

Roger Ponce is simply amazing! Angelic


That was one hell of a demo. Out at 12.5 and broke a 7 grand. Open at 5,600. Thanks for the slot.

Sparky


airtwardo  (D License)

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That was one hell of a demo. Out at 12.5 and broke a 7 grand. Open at 5,600. Thanks for the slot.

Sparky

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Hey...they said they wanted the BEST! Wink


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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CoolCoolSmileTongue


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

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On my first trip down to Z-hills in '79 we had a crater party for a Canadian girl who'd gone in there within the last couple of years...

My brother, CrazyRick, has a picture of the crater she made - perfect outline in the ground of her body position at impact.

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... I remember there was a ding in the eaves of the clubhouse that was pointed out to me - from two guys who ran into each other at a few hundred feet and spun down only to bounce off the roof...
Yep...that "ding" was left there purposely for two reasons - to show "what could happen" and to emphasize the balls it took to skydive.


airtwardo  (D License)

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Tongue
In reply to:


Great story Airtwardo! Tell us another one.....Steve1


Quote:

I've been on the road for a few weeks,
ran into someone I hadn't thought about
for a while.

We all meet people throughout our lives
that make an impression on us.
That for one reason or another seems to 'stick' in our memory forever.
Skydiving has more than it's fair share of those types of individuals.

~ This old dayz story is about one such person...

My first jump instructor.

A little background:
I had always wanted to try jumping as long back
as I can remember.
I was probably about 5 or 6 years old and my dad had an old P.O.S.
J-3 Cub, he and I would go to local 'Fly-In' events around the Midwest.
The main reason I would go along was to hopefully get to see some 'Parachute Men' that often would entertain at these small events....

I think they called themselves
"Demo Jumpers"...Wink

And they were really the only part of the aviation experience that held any interest for me.
My father always gave me everything he
could find about skydiving to read.

Fast forward to the mid 70's ~

I'm 18...
Wild & Crazy by anyone's measure,
I actually LIKE it when my dad tells people I'm
" a bubble and a half - away from level "

After street racing one summer night in my
'67 Goat Rag top, with a guy my age in a
brand new Trans-Am...
We stop at a bar to 'talk cars' when I see
a belly wart on the front seat of the T-A...!Cool

An hour and a 12 pack later...
I'm signed up for a FJC on the Saturday next.

The dropzone is located 35-40 mile from home,
in the middle of a farm in central Illinois.
Black tops, gravel roads...turn left at the second cow....Crazy

A real hard place to find...in fact, I get there
almost an hour late for the in progress class,
which consists of one other guy...

A fellow FJ student that is as shocked to see me
as I am to see him!
Just back from Vietnam, we'd sat next to each
other in some High School classes.

"What are YOU doing here?" we asked each other!

My initial introduction to the course Instructor
was a stern-
"You're LATE...go through it with us, but if I don't think you're ready you can pay again and take the class over!" Unsure

He's a relatively short, fat, bald guy...
early 40's, in a business suit.

We're jumping off a picnic table next to
a grass strip, in the middle of a corn field
~ mid August...
and this guy is wearing a TIE!

Before long, it was apparent that this guy was,
in addition to being a VERY experienced jumper,
multi talented, successful, and
EXTREMELY intelligent!

I'm talking "NASA" smart here...
chart topper in the IQ drawer.
I know people like this...
and they tend to scare me a little.

Human brain mush can only hold so much "stuff"
...usually when someone has most their mush in one drawer,
some other drawer doesn't get enough.
It's all about balance.

The class continues on through the morning,
again...having read everything I could about the subject,
I believe I've 'caught up' and then some, in
regard to the material.
I have given all the due respect I believe the
scene calls for to "Mr. MENSA"
...but the tone and manner in which he
continues to address me has me ill at ease.

He just looks and talks to me 'different'
than the other student,
and it's REALLY getting on my nerves!

I got 100% on the 3 page exam...and
we get the command to 'Gear Up'.

Hot and uncomfortable in my canvas jumpsuit,
B-4, T-10, 28' no-mod, no-pilot chute
reserve, (THINK about that for a minute)
the nervous realization finally set in...
(oh shit!)
WE'RE GOING!

As the three of us walk to the 182, I ask if
there is anything
I need to know about operating the AOD...
(nothing about it was mentioned during the course)

"OKAY...That's it! "Mad
My instructor bellows at me...
"WHO ARE YOU?!"
"Do you now,
or have you EVER... worked for any law enforcement
agency....City, County, State, or Federal...
including the FAA????"

HUH....?! ME...??Angelic
I'm confused, what the hell is he talking about?

My USMC buddy starts laughing, telling him
...No Way!
I know him, the only time he's associated with
law enforcement,
~he needs BAIL money!Sly

How then do you seem to know so much about all this stuff, the "I" barks at me...
I never mentioned the Sentential...
much less called it an AOD!

Oh...well I've been doing my homework,
I've ALWAYS wanted to try skydiving, I said.Blush

We stood silent just looking at each other for
several moments...hard core eye contact!

In that second, the mood calmed and,
...I actually got a smile.

Big guys go first, he said...you are last in...!
........And we're off.

I'm sitting in the student position,
back to the panel next to the open door as we bounce along the uneven grass strip, finally
breaking ground.
The adrenaline is really pumping now,
and I'm wondering if I'll 'like' skydiving~
...or if I just like the IDEA of skydiving!

I'm afraid of heights...
and my knee hanging out the open door
has my heart in my throat. Unimpressed

WHAT have I gotten myself into ?!

...Breathe deep, calm down, and from NOW ON,
be more careful about what you WISH for,
I tell myself.

I'm staring down at my reserve,
there is a grass hopper on it looking back up
at me, reflecting a similar terror in it's eyes!

Probably never been up this high before I think...
all the while trying not to notice the wind tangling
up the laces on the worn out jump boot,
that has somehow come undone.

As my car keeps getting smaller and smaller,
...ever further away.Frown

The Instructor slaps my leg, ask if I'm okay...?

Damn..he IS fat!
His head squishing out of all the possible sections
it can, of the yellow hockey helmet.
His eyes now wide and intense,
he grins at me like a kid in my neighborhood
that had to ride the 'Short Bus' to the 'Special' school...!

Hummm.....!
Same fucking helmet too, I think to myself.

WHAT HAVE I GOTTEN MYSELF INTO~
I mentally scream to the grasshopper,
who by now is hanging on for dear life to
the exposed springs of the worn pack opening bands on the reserve...
...that in my mind surely must contain nothing
but the 'stash' this Bozo is so worried about
some cop finding.

Taking notice of the deep relationship I'm developing with my insect soul mate,
'Crazy Eyes' plucks my little buddy
from his perch...
holding him gently in two fingers, he proceeds to open his mouth and with a wink,
bites the lil' bugger in HALF...

Then gingerly replaces what's left of the kicking bloody mess back on my RESERVE!Shocked

My gaze goes from the twitching legs and guts
in front of me to the devils own grin in a Cooper helmet before me, and then back again.

...Suddenly I'm calm, as it finally hits me.

Oh...I get it...to be a skydiver...Cool
Ya just gotta be FUCKING CRAZY!

Everyone I know tells me I got THAT covered!

So I stare BACK into those un nerving blinkers
that are popping out of the
fat bald grinning bastard in front of me,
who just happens to hold the likelihood of my continuing earthy presence in his hands...
and return his wink as I open my mouth,
~and pop in the 'leftovers' of his in-flight meal.

" FUCKIN' A...! "
he yells to the pilot~
"If this kid wasn't a skydiver when he got here...
He's one NOW!"Tongue

A few minutes later,
some very important things in my life
happened in very quick succession....

Standing on the 182's wheel looking back in,
I understood why it was I had been looking
forward to this for so long.

Throwing my arch to the wind,
I kept eye contact with my instructor
until I actually felt the snap of the break cord separating from the static line.

Total awareness like never before,
I knew the EXACT instant that I no longer was connected to the plane...

...I know because it was at that moment that I got "Hooked"

That I ... was Home!





If that were the story in itself...
it would have merit regarding the original subject
of this post.
~Someone that you meet that has a permanent lasting effect on your life.

So seldom does it go both ways.

In an odd twist...
conflicting destinies joined through unexplainable quirks of fate..
.the improbable alignment of some obscure
planets somewhere no doubt.

That day...
I made my very first jump, opening an amazing door in my life.
Actually, we all made two that first day...

The 2nd jump later that afternoon, was the
LAST jump my F~J~I ever made!Unimpressed

When he got out of bed that morning he surely never thought it would be his LAST day of jumping for the rest of his life.

In so much as I couldn't have conceived that morning, I would be started on a path of a life centered on jumping.

No...
it's not what you're thinking,
he's still with us...in fact we still talk about 2-3
times a year...ran into him a couple weeks back.

It's spooky when we thought about the story
of 'our' relationship.


That it's because of him that I'm a skydiver.

~And it's because of me...he's not.

Funny how things work out sometimes.


(This post was edited by airtwardo on Feb 9, 2005, 1:29 PM)


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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Twardo,

Once again, a great story. I just know you are going to tell us why your hockey helmeted FJI was never again to jump because of you. Right.CoolTongue

In reply to:
B-4, T-10, 28' no-mod, no-pilot chute
reserve,
(THINK about that for a minute)
the nervous realization finally set in...
(oh shit!)

This is what it looks like coming out. Yahoo! Are we having fun yet.Tongue

Sparky
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RogerRamjet  (D License)

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In reply to:
Twardo,

Once again, a great story. I just know you are going to tell us why your hockey helmeted FJI was never again to jump because of you. Right.CoolTongue

In reply to:
B-4, T-10, 28' no-mod, no-pilot chute
reserve,
(THINK about that for a minute)
the nervous realization finally set in...
(oh shit!)

This is what it looks like coming out. Yahoo! Are we having fun yet.Tongue

Sparky

Yes it is, and if that isn't just after exit, it's going to hurt too....


jonstark  (D 8298)

Feb 9, 2005, 8:31 PM
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That it's because of him that I'm a skydiver.

~And it's because of me...he's not.

Funny how things work out sometimes.

You gonna give us the rest??? Please?

jon


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Feb 9, 2005, 8:49 PM
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Wow, I haven't seen that photo in years. As I remember, it is Ken Rounds and the photo by Ralph White over Lancaster, CA; yes????
Actually, the next photo in the sequence is even better with that look on his face.


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
(THINK about that for a minute)

Quote:

I'm refering to the fact...
that there was an AOD on it! Crazy

...That was one reason the guy was questioning
my background.

I asked a lot of questions that most FJS wouldn't...

Like~ What, no pilotchute!Shocked

...and were the T-10s' modified with
a 7 TU?Wink

He thought I was a 'ringer' from another DZ...
or WORSE!Sly


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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In reply to:
Yes it is, and if that isn't just after exit, it's going to hurt too....

The way the canopy is blowing up around him instead of blowing back towards his legs, I would say he is 8 to 10 seconds out at least.
And it is going to hurt like hell.Shocked

In reply to:
Wow, I haven't seen that photo in years. As I remember, it is Ken Rounds and the photo by Ralph White over Lancaster, CA; yes????
Actually, the next photo in the sequence is even better with that look on his face.

I confess, I took the picture form PPM Vol. I. It looks like it could be lancaster, but it was before my time.Tongue

Sparky


flyingferret  (D 27715)

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Now...we have to now...why isn't he??


steve1  (D 23640)

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This story isn't a scary one but it kind of ties into some of the stuff Airtwardo mentioned in his story.

It's amazing the comradery and bond that develops between skydivers. It must have something to do with the danger that is shared or something else too abstract for me to figure out.

Last Christmas I went skiing with my family at a distant ski run which I had never been to before (Discovery Basin). There isn't any jumping going on in Montana that time of year so I figured I might as well do the next best thing and ski.

We got to the run early. My daughters wanted to sleep a while in the truck before hitting the slopes. I figured the heck with that, and decided to get a few runs in on my new fangled shaped skiis.

It was a beautiful morning. The sun was shining and you could see for miles riding up on the lift. And then I heard this boisterous laugh from someone above me on the lift. There was something familiar about that. Then there was that laugh again. Somebody was definitely enjoying themselves.

When we got to the top of the mountain I skiied over to this guy to get a better look. He turned his helmeted head and there was Andy, the guy who put me out on my first freefall, almost 35 years earlier. With a big smile he stuck out his big paw to give a shake. Then he said, you remember Karna don't you. I turned the other way and there was Karna Sunby. The only person in our club who jumped a Thunderbow. I'll be darned. She used to be a stewardess when the rest of us were college bums. I hadn't seen her in about 25 years. She had a little gray in her hair, but she was still a good looker.

I explained to Andy that I didn't know any of the runs, so he said, "come ski with us, and I'll show you the hill." So for several hours that morning we were kids again having fun. Whenever someone wiped out we'd wait for them while they got up. When not flying down the hill we told old stories, and asked about other old jumpers and skydives made long ago. And we did take a lot of breaks. None of us were marathon athletes any more.

Then we came to this yellow tape. One of the better runs was closed off. Andy said we really need to ski this. Karna said, "I don't know?", and she had since enough not to come with us. So there Andy and I went....Racing down through untracked powder, almost waist deep in places. A couple of old dogs trying to show the world we could still do it, and then sneaking back in the lift line before anyone could holler at us. On the ride up, there was Andy's loud laugh, and that big hand to shake. "By God we did it!" and then another laugh....Just like the old days after a successful jump.

Andy went on to explain there were a couple of other old jumpers coming up Guazzo and Max (who we jumped with in the 70's). They were all staying down at Andy's cabin on a lake. Come on down he said, "I've got lot's of room." I felt bad to explain I had other commitments.

We weren't the only skiiers that were skiing together that morning. Karna had her nephew. Andy's son was skiing with Russ Berree's boy. (Russ is another old jumper from the past.) My daughters were undoubtedly on the mountain someplace by then, enjoying their snow boards. It was good to know there was another generation coming up, who were a lot like us. Someday they'd take our place, (even if they didn't jump like some of their crazy relatives did.)

It was kind of hard to say goodbye. Maybe this was the last time some of us old farts would meet up again. Whenever I looked at Andy I couldn't help but think he looked a lot like my old Grandpa. He probably felt the same about me.

So if you know an old jumper you haven't seen in a while, get in touch with them. You probably miss each other more than you think.....Steve1

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JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

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This was the center photo in a 3-photo sequence of the deployment that appeared in Skydiver Magazine in the summer of '64; not sure exactly which month.
The first photo is of Ken Rounds in freefall with nothing out and reaching for the reserve ripcord; the second photo is the one shown here; and the third photo is Ken at line stretch and with a substantial grimace on his face.
Like I say, for trivia night down at the tavern.


NickDG  (D 8904)

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Three Golshen Events . . .
(I might be spelling that wrong)

This is no reflection on her, she's a good pilot, and one of the most beautiful woman I've ever met, this is just "stuff" happens.

Event one – We took off from Elsinore with a first freefall student (first jump off static line) and the student, a young lady, refused to jump. We made another pass, while I talked to her, but it was no go, and when a woman says no, I take it seriously. I switched off her AOD and we came down and landed. By now the student was very upset with herself and we exited the plane and are standing next to the tail but just outside the propblast.

I don't think there is anything harder for a student than walking back in with un-used gear still on their backs, so I started removing it. Goshen didn't realize we were still there and gunned the motor and hit the left rudder. Suddenly the tail is swinging our way and I had just enough time to push the student out of the way, but the horizontal stabilizer hit me hard. Golshen felt the impact, shut down, and came running. She was very apologetic, but in the end it was my own fault. The student made her jump later that day and is still jumping today.

Event two – We'd just dropped a load of static line students and were coming down to get another. We approached the runway over the lake and we're just starting to flare. I was on my knees looking out the windshield when I saw another aircraft rolling for take off in the opposite direction. I yelled it out and Golshen fire-walled it, but now as the nose came up we lost sight of the other plane. We missed each other by feet. The other AC didn't have a radio and never saw us.

Event Three – We took off with a full load of static line students and were turning onto jump run and I had one student hooked up and sitting in the door. A piston rod let go and blew through the side of the engine case. Oil was spraying all over the windshield and blowing in through the open door, the vibration felt as if we are about to throw a prop. Golshen looked at me and shook her head.

I pushed the hooked up student out the door and put the other two out on their reserves while Golshen is shutting things down. I left at 1500-feet behind the Dairy thinking Golshen would follow. (The AC really felt like was about to come apart). She managed to land on the runway and everybody is shaken, but okay.

All three events happened in a two month time span and Golshen and I spent some time trying to figure out which one of us was marked. But, in the end we chalked it up to a new phrase that was in the lexicon at the time. Shit happens . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194


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markd_nscr986  (C 11969)

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Picture this....

Flying to Tahlequah for the nationals 1976 or 77???? from Austin

4 of us in a Cessna 210Wink

Rick W left seat,Me right seat,Big Al in the back with Barbara .We had all our gear with us,except Barbara,who didnt own any yet.

Took off from Austin,weather was perfect,got close to Dallas and begin running into isolated T-storms,north of Dallas,weather is getting worse,vis is dropping,air turbulence increasing........we are dodging cells headed for northeast Oklahoma.We miss Tahlequah on visual,the weather was so bad,and are somewhere over Nortwestern Arkansas (nothing but treesUnsure),fuel not an issue yet but will become one real soon,Rick finally flips on the ADF figures out we are 40 or 50 miles past the airport,starting to rain real hard now..........I see Al rummaging around in the cargo area of the 210.....
He pulls out his rig,but doesnt say a word.....I begin to think about getting my rig out......Barbara is looking around nervously,then I look at her and say........

You know Barbara,there are 4 people in this airplane but only 3 parachutesShockedTongueLaughEveryone in the aircraft except Barbara burst out laughing.......

She didnt appreciate my warped sense of humor......

We found the airport a short time later and Rick shot a perfect landing in a driving T-storm.

It took a couple of drinks later that evening,but she finally accepted my apologyAngelic


mwr  (D 4864)

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This happened back in the late 70's at a DZ in
Charlotte Michigan. A load of us went up in the
182 for a four way. Things may have changed
in the years since, but back then it was popular
for some jumpers who thought they knew better
to load the plane in various stages of dress.
Some would walk on with the jumpsuit and rig in their
arms. Others with a jumpsuit on and the rig riding
their shoulders, and others all geared up ready
to exit.

Our ride up was uneventful and the exit went
as planned. Our hero was wearing a Stewart
Sweethog container system with a square main and
round reserve. In freefall, we were so focused on
completing formations that not even the jumper
himself noticed that he had forgot to put the
leg straps on
... that is until it was time to open.

The jumper whipped out his pilot chute and as
opening occurred, slid down the harness until the
junction at the main harness caught in his armpits.
This was opening shock #1.

Due to uneven loading on the risers, the jumper had
a malfunction. From my perspective some 30 yards
behind and above, I could tell a cutaway was ahead
and thought something didn't look right, but things
happened so fast I didn't realize at the time how
wrong things were for the guy (in?) the harness.
Somehow he managed to cut away the main and
deploy his reserve without falling out. Opening shock
#2.

He rode the rest of the way down grabbing harness
with crossed arms, unable to control his direction. The
landing was brutal but he was so rattled he didn't even
care. He was incoherent most of the rest of the day
and almost gave up jumping. Even thinking back
on that day, as I write this, it makes my pulse race
and palms sweat. We crucified ourselves for not
doing gear checks, but it happened. and maybe others
can take home a lesson.


dropzonefool

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We crucified ourselves for not
doing gear checks, but it happened. and maybe others
can take home a lesson.
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A few months ago I was sittng in student position in a very small 182. I was crammed in so tight I figured I would not be able to get up on my knees on jump run and not get a gear check. At about 7 grand it started raining and the pilot decended to land. He was able to taxi in to the hanger so we could all get out of the plane and be dry. I was the first out and as I stepped out my reserve pop top hit the step of the cessna! If I would have climbed out from a seated position in the plane at 10 grand I and the rest of the load probobly would have been screwed.


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
That it's because of him that I'm a skydiver.

~And it's because of me...he's not.

Funny how things work out sometimes.

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You gonna give us the rest??? Please?

jon


Quote:



Had to give that one some thought...Angelic

It's actually a not very pretty story.

I didn't before,
and won't now mention the guys name for
obvious reasons....
but the "Cliff Notes" version may give someone
else a chance to consider possible consequences.
So often, too high a price for doing
"somethin' dumb".

Like I said above, the guy had a real
impressive brainpan, and after our jumps that
day he, the other FJS & I sat watching the other
club members enjoying their day in the sky.

As I may have mentioned in some prior posts,
the place I started jumping and hung out at
for 4-5 years in the 70's was a small 'private'
club....
re; Outlaw!

They taught students and did demos only
as a means to provide fuel & maintainance
funds for the club owned aircraft.
If you were a club member...
there was no cost to jump, but you were
expected to assist with students
and / or demos.

I fit in well there because I've also been known
to play a bit fast & loose with the rules from
time to time.....
...then anyway. Wink

It hadn't bothered me at all to have to hold
the pilot's beer during the taxi - takeoff
segment of my 1st jump...
and it most definitely wasn't his first of the day!

They weren't TOTALLY bonkers...
"Students" couldn't partake until after their
load...Errr....
at least not FIRST JUMP students anyway.Blush

So...
we're pounding down the Buds...(ahh..yeah)
all afternoon and into the night.

It was great finally getting to be a part of parachuting.
My instructor and I hit it off fantastically following
the initial uneasiness.

He had tons of stories, and took the time to
explain in detail EVERY question I had about
the sport.
He was very into the psychological aspects and
the personality types of skydivers.

He really liked how when he was trying to
mind fuck me with the bug eating...

I threw it right back at him.Cool


He was also rather impressed with the
'survival kit' I kept in the trunk of the GTO...
and seemed to be making it his goal to finish
all of everything I 'travel' with...
.... I guess we ALL were!

By Midnight...
most everyone else had left the area save the
three of us and one other 'hardcore' club regular...

After many HIGH speed passes down the runway
in my Goat,
and shooting all the .45 ammo I had with me
at the Vodka, Gin & Jack Black bottles we'd
emptied, we realized we could still make last
call in the bar at some podunk farm town
about 8-9 miles from the DZ.

With the top down, and all 425 horses of a
Pontiac 'Super Duty' 455 pulling us at .8 mach!
...we made it in time for a 1/2 dozen or so,
PRIOR to last call.

Looking back...
Disaster was imminent!
Each one of us trying to out-impress the other.
The 4th guy, the other club member was
actually EATING his beer glass after every round! Crazy


Man....I just KNEW I was gonna love skydiving!
SlySlySly



3am back at the drop zone,
plans were made regarding us students
making a couple more jumps later that day..
...Sunday.

And we went on our way...

My Instructor center punched a light pole
about 90-100 mph...
In downtown Davenport, Iowa.

He was only 3-4 miles from his home,
had made it 40 some miles to there, WITHOUT
hitting anything, which is the real miracle!

I'd made it the same distance, in the opposite
direction...considerably higher rate of speed
without a scratch.

The other two guys slept in the peas.

I made S/L jumps 3 & 4 on Sunday with
another "I" ...then went to the hospital to see him.

He'd broken his "thing"...Unsure

...EVERYTHING!

Was hospitalized 4 months, with another 6
of rehab...


But.....there's MORE!

I didn't miss a weekend of jumping the rest of
the year, and often went to the Quad Cities to
visit him...

We were like brothers, this guy was a
3 digit "D", an I-E, R-E, a National Judge...

a SKYDIVER! Cool

I was his 'proto gee' so to speak...
jumpmaster, demo jumper...in the sport
under a year.

We'd talked a lot about everything...Unsure
...everything except that night.

About a year after the wreck, he came back
out to the DZ , not to jump...YET,
but to socialize.
The sun was down and the beer was cold, and
for the first time we began talking about
'that night'.

Always a 'deep' thinker, he was explaining to
me how the problem was..he didn't know what
fear was...

That he had NEVER felt fear in his life...
yada yada yada...and that the lack of fear,
he realized, meant he had no real 'limits'.

(That ideology can kill a person!)

...and he felt "I" had the same problem.

(Trust me..I don't!) Sly

I said it wasn't lack of fear
that almost killed him..but a lack of
BLACK COFFEE! Tongue

(He'd since that night quit drinking)

And HELL dude...hop in my car....you're sober,
I'll prove ya wrong!

We strap in the Lil' GTO and make a pass down
the grass strip, about 80 mph,
I punch the emergency brake and crank the
steering wheel,
we're spinning like a top on the damp grass
...come to a stop...looking over I smiled
and said,
~ How 'bout it....YOU SCARED?!?

Ahhhh...He was!

Dumb thing to do, because he got real quiet...
sat away from everyone for an hour or two...
freaked him out! Unimpressed

I apologized a few times...it was ignored.

Running low on Budweiser...
I was 'volunteered' to make the beer run,
and talked him into taking the drive into town
with me.

Promising to 'be good', which I was! Angelic

On the way back....out of no where,
...I get punched between the horns, and he
steps out of my car at 50 mph!
I slam on the brakes in time to see him
leaping over the fence and into a cornfield,
we're like 5 miles from the DZ...10pm.

I told the story back at the DZ...
(HAD to get the beer back, they were WAITING!)
Everyone just figured he'd eventually turn up...
his car was there.

Yup!...he did,
6am the next morning he was pounding on a
local farm house...sans chothing...wanting to use
their phone since he'd lost his keys! Frown

Back in for another "Tune Up" with the lab coats...
Recommended he avoid stressful situations
-at all cost!

He'd bruised his melon major leauge,
pin balling off the light pole after going
through the wind screen.

I guess it must have really shuffled his
note cards pretty good...!

I didn't see him again until he came out to
present me with my Gold Wings...years later.

I thanked him and told him how I really owed
him a lot, he said the same to me...

He'd gone on to other things,
life is good and he was happy...!




~He Lied~


(This post was edited by airtwardo on Feb 12, 2005, 9:02 PM)


jonstark  (D 8298)

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He'd gone on to other things,
life is good and was he happy..!




~He Lied~
Too bad. Weird how the strange stuff happens to the bright ones. Glad I'm a dimwit sometimes. Haw!

jon


yarpos  (D 373)

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here you go, I inappropriately put this in the middle of a safety day thread , not realising (not in US) that was a serious discussion.

***********

In my my first skydiving career I seemed to accumulate power failure/bail out incidents:

Jump 1 Australia (really 1, 1st static line) C182, noise stops completely 20ft of the deck, luckily on a long asphalt runway so he just put it down again. Not great gliders C182s but good enough!

Much later on one visit to the US, spluttering smoking Beech D18 at Coolidge, 10 grand so we calmly line up and do the dive

A week later spluttering (but non smoking) beech D18 at 5 grand at Greene County Louisiana, everyone decides to leave slightly less calmly

A year later again a Beech D18 in Oz at 3 grand(I'm not getting in another one of those suckers, as much as I love em....are they still flying? US guys?) pilot gets sick in flight and is barely conscious...smart arse at the door just yell "I'm going for help!!" and leaves....errr we figure he's lazy enough not to just get out just anywhere so we "must" be over the DZ, so we all leave , much less calmy than I recall any off my unplanned US exits; but then we are lower and unconscious pilots conjure up really bad mental images compared with spluttering engines. He was right! right over the top, thanks Bob.

not quite in the same category but I also managed to be on a load where a student sitting in the door of an Islander (twin engine , high wiing, mini otter style, non turbine) has his front mounted reserve fall on his lap. The period in which everyone looked at it and froze seemed to last 30 mins but I expect was 1 second. His instructor started to push him out, there was a large bang and he was gone. The side of the plane had opened up like the big guy upstairs had attacked us with his giant can opener.

You know, typing this I wonder why I am still alive and returning to jumping...I guess I like the thrillsCrazy

BTW everybody survived (Islander boy was injured but it was minor when you looked at what he did to the plane, I assumed he was dead) and also....no animals were injured in the making of these experiences.

If anyone wants to start a thread re formation loads and exiting only to almost go through the windscreen of a miss-placed chase plane...I can contribute

BS and may you have as much luck to you as I have had

Steve

PS: related story , I was "courting" the neighbouring (to the DZ) farmers daughter. I was at their place and a C182 passes over head near exit hieght (3 miles straight line to the DZ), splutter cough...4 bodies appear..land in front yard and I am there for DZ taxi service, no probs. Talk to pilot that night in the pub, still pissing himself laughing (sorry dont know the US term)...he said the engine coughed started to fail, he felt OK as he had plenty of glide time to the DZ, turns around to say " I'll take you blokes back to near the DZ and then I'll put it down"... all he sees is a flurry of containers(rear view) and he is sitting in an empty plane. Nothing like decisive thinkers....actually he thought it was cool , one less thing to think about and he could focus on putting it down, which he did.


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airtwardo  (D License)

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Great story Airtwardo! Tell us another one.....Steve1


Quote:

"It wasn't as close as it looked...HONEST!"
Angelic



I got a call to do a 4th of July demo last year
here in my hometown.

I've gotten to do the demo for the past few
years, jumping with a PRO team based close by.

It's a huge event and has gotten bigger and
better with every passing year.

This time organization and coordination were
at a premium!

The team was to meet a few days prior to
the performance so we could be scrutinized
by representatives from the Navy.

The idea was for us to jump with the
American Flag an hour and change before
sunset.
The timing had to be precise.
The presentation was to be in conjunction
with the starting of "The Judds" concert...

The Flag landing had to be timed with the last
note of the National Anthem,
because mere seconds later a group of 4
NAVY F-18's would be doing a
low level flyby over the concert crowd...
Cool

The promoter sold them on the concept
boasting that we the jumpers could easily
make the hack's 20 second time window.

We took and hour to plan the logistics out
and went up to make a few 'practice' jumps to
show those concerned that in fact we would be
able to land where and more critically...

WHEN we said we could.


The first test jump was within nine seconds...
the second jump was right at two!

"Close enough for us " we were told
and we packed up happy and confident we
would do as well or even better come show time.


I dropped the wife and kids off
mid afternoon to enjoy the carnival and
various other events going on through out
the Independence Day Celebration downtown
and headed to the local private airport we
would be staging from.

After checking our parachutes, flags, smoke
and carefully going over the plan several times
we're off!

I'm spotting the load...
we all have air to ground comm. in our
helmets, which we continue to check as we que
for the drop.
The pilot has a digital stop watch in front of him
on the dash, mine is mounted next to my
altimeter.

The exit altitude will be 4000' feet AGL with a
free fall to 3, the spot is over a clear area at the
far end of the crowd allowing us to fly in a semi
stacked formation over the area, landing on the
far side into a Police controlled LZ not far from
the stage.

After several 'practice' orbits it's finally time
for the HOT RUN!

Everything is going as planned....
I make some minor corrections and call for the cut.
As I'm rocking forward out the door with one foot
on the step...

The pilot yells to me~ "ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!"
Shocked

Now I've been doing this long enough to know
the P.I.C. has the final word...and that one of
the major rules of doing demos is;
When in doubt ~ DON'T get out!

But the clock is ticking...and to be sure I yell
to the driver,
"DID YOU SAY...NO GO?!?"

YES! he shouts back, intently immersed in ATC comm. on his David Clark's.

WE HAVE TRAFFIC INBOUND...he says to me,
WE'RE ON A HOLD!

ARE YOU SURE? I again asked him...
There is SUPPOSED to be inbound traffic!

"Civilian Chopper" he calls back to me.

We're in a slow turn heading back to the
jump run staging area, frantically trying to
get this all cleared up when the show boss
yells at me on the helmet radio...

The Chopper is 3 miles clear...he's filming you... you're LATE!
GO!.....GO!....GOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Crazy

We're WAY off spot by now...

I call for 90 RIGHT!
and look back to the other jumpers shouting-
we are LATE,
Spot is SHORT,...TAKE IT DOWN TO 2 GRAND!!!

And roll out the door in the turn, forgoing
any kind of a cut!

These guys are all REALLY GOOD demo
jumpers and know that shit's gone sideways
and everyone instantly reverts to the
JUNGLE RULES mode.

I'm tracking hard in the opposite direction
of the flight path to give everyone as much
room as possible during opening.

In the saddle at 2
...I check my air and rapidly begin to deploy
my smokes, riser turning to get me back
over the LZ.

The flags are out...
I can hear the National Anthem through my
ear piece as the show boss is urging us to
"GET IT DOWN GUYS...GOTTA GET IT DOWN!"


I figure I'm in fat city since the smokes
are burning and I'm in a radical spin right
over the open LZ...
I catch a glimpse of the flag bearers for
a millisecond during each rotation as I
drop way below them and glance
at the stop watch....

........plus 45 seconds!


DAMN! .........WE ARE GOOD!
Sly


I stop the spin and level out at around 500'...
I'm cheating toward the front of the LZ to give
as much room as possible to the other guy's
that should be above me headed this way....

Some movement catches my attention off
to the right and I go into 1/2 - 3/4 brakes
and check for traffic all around me.

As I start a left to final...straight in front of me...Ahhh...
'at least' a couple hundred yards is a
gray helmeted, dark visor Hornet Jockey...
looking right at me shaking his head
in disgust.

As I pull my sunglasses down to hang
around my neck in preparation for landing~

(looks dumb turning low to avoid a scratch in the lens)

~The thunderous exhaust noise following
a couple seconds behind the fast mover
has me thinking how I have GOT to get
a helmet cam for these things!
Smile

Setting up my flare...Hummm!

Wonder how those guys beat me DOWN!



......We're signing autographs by the stage
as the concert begins.

Surrounded by kids and well wishers
I keep looking past them at my darling
sweetie, who's glare is burning a hole in my forehead!
/Mad\


She's staring at me like I'm wearing one of
her nighties...
I've seen this look before...
~(NOT for THAT reason!)~
Blush

...and it's NOT GOOD!
Unimpressed


Fortunately...she knows the drill.

She's a professional pilot with over 20,000
Hours and use to perform at air shows
herself.
She's watched me perform at hundreds of
events over the past 10 years...
and holds off on the impending 'Shit Storm'
until we're off together alone.


"WHAT WAS THAT!" she demands...
"You can't do CRW with fighter jets!!!"


"Everybody ELSE has 3 feet of front risers
getting down, the flags look like 'down planes' behind them...
...and there you are 'lolly gagging' the view!"


(Like I said..she KNOWS.....!)
Frown


"Errrrr.....WHAT!?"
I sheepishly try to defend myself,
"I saw him and I had PLENTY of room!"
Laugh



"OH YEAH???" she sternly retorts....
"What about the one BEHIND YOU!?!?!"



"Oh.....Ahhhhh........Behind Me?"
Unsure


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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Now that is my kind of demo. You should have tracked the guy down and had him sign your log book.
CoolAngelic
Sparky


steve1  (D 23640)

Mar 2, 2005, 2:37 PM
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I've got to get a PRO rating some day. I'm an exhibitionist at heartCrazy.....Steve1


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 2, 2005, 4:01 PM
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In reply to:
I'm an exhibitionist at heart....Crazy.Steve1

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Oh Yeah...?
Angelic


Me Too...!
Blush










~~~Wanna borrow one of my wife's nighties....!?
Tongue


steve1  (D 23640)

Mar 2, 2005, 8:02 PM
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Wanna borrow one of my wife's nighties....!?
Tongue

Oh no, I have my own!.....


skypuppy  (D 347)

Mar 3, 2005, 4:34 AM
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Sounds like a jump I was on once. We were doing the Canadian International Air Show in Toronto Labor Day weekend, not sure what year, could be any between about 88 and 93/94.

Anyway I remember being in a biplane transitioning to a biside between 1500-1000 feet and watching one of our other pairs doing the same about 400 feet below us when - DANG! - wasn't that a hornet that just flew past in between us!

My buddy started to freak out a bit 'Did you see that?"

Well I'm not blind, but I think if he can see us he'll miss us and if he can't I doubt we can get out of the way anyway, so we might as well go on with the show.... So we did a downplane and got the hell out of there.

I think we got the horses ass award that day for being about 20 seconds late.....


airdvr  (D 10977)

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While we're on the subject... 4 way chunk exit from a 182. As the jumper in the crotch is getting out his container opens and his PC goes over the leading edge of the wing. In the video you see the #2 jumper trying to make him aware then he's gone in an instant, over the leading edge of the wing. This puts the plane in a nasty spin but the pilot does a good job recovering. Leaves a nice sized dent in the leading edge. Jumper is unconscious at 10,500. Chest strap is shreaded but his only injury is a severely strained neck and back. I talked to him about it later and he said he could see the PC and bag, lines unstowing...his thoughts at that point..."this is really gonna hurt".

Older jumper in his 60's...had a habit of pulling his chest strap so tight his main lift webs were almost touching. 4 way dive...all zoomies (me included). I noticed when we got up to get ready Jack had the smell of liquid courage on his breath. Never saw him during freefall. When we landed we saw his canopy way high...6-7K. Never thought much of it...must have pulled high. This was the first time he had brought his wife to the DZ...I remeber her sitting in his car reading a book or something. About an hour after we landed she comes up and asks if anyone had seen him...here's what happened:

Jacl opened in a track and his chest strap shreaded. He did a front flip out of his harness and was hanging by his legs upside down at 7 grand. With no way to control the canopy it put its tail into the wind and headed west. Found the biggest tree in the woods...about 70 feet up. Jack told me later he was hanging there and it was hot so he tried to get out of his jumpsuit. In the process he fell about 15 feet upside down and broke his collarbone. When we noticed he was missing the 182 was sent up to search. When the fire department got there it had been about 2 hrs. They got a rope up to him. He put it around his shoulders and then fell out of the tree. The rope slipped up around his neck. His lips were blue and he was almost unconscious when they finally got his to the ground.

First dive of the day out a skyvan. No one had taped those nasty looking hooks that kept the rear door on. 4 way chunk exit. I was diving. On set I ran to the back and dove...into a sea of blue fabric and lines. The door hook got caught in a girls container and ripped it open on exit. In the vidoe you can actually see the canopy open for a split second in the plane as I dove into it. Managed to get myself free of the canopy only to look up and see the lines wrapped around this girl's neck. I watch her struggle. I'm helplees to do anythng as I'm about 15 feet below her. She finally gets the lines off and cuts away. I turned and dove to the formation Tongue. Afterwards she has a 3" ring around her neck that is raw from the line burns.


dreamsville  (D 25528)

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Back about 4 years ago at ZHills. We were on an 8 or 9 way RW dive. One was an older guy about 80. He had jumped with us before without a problem.

We exit the plane at 13.5 and build the formation. The older guy is now missing, and for the longest time no key is given for the second point. We break off and track, and after opening we see the older jumper under his reserve.

What happened: after exit, the older jumper ended up in a spin on his back, saying he was unable to get stable. The jumper had been directly behind me during his ordeal. I couldn't see what was going on but some of the others could (edited to add this). Finally, at about 8,000, he goes for his reserve and lands uneventfully. I never saw him after that and don't know if he is still jumping.
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airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 26, 2005, 11:04 AM
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An...uh...Interesting and cute story
with a lesson...
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SwampThing  (D License)

Mar 27, 2005, 1:17 AM
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What would the lesson be?


airtwardo  (D License)

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In reply to:
What would the lesson be?

Quote:

I'll leave that one for Sparky!
WinkCoolAngelic


wartload

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Not all that scary, but ...
Some years ago I dropped by a DZ that I visited from time to time, but hadn't gotten up that way in over a year. Two guys were packed and ready when I got out of the car, so we decided to make that a load for the 170.
None of us knew each other, but I knew the pilot well. One of the other jumpers was from a university club--he and I decided to do a 2-way. The third was a visitor from the UK who just wanted just to make a solo freefall.
As we got to the plane, the college guy asked what licenses we had. I didn't have one, so he (with a B) announced that he would be jumpmaster. Ok, I thought ... and the pilot grinned at me. We got to 12,500, over a broken (generous use of the term) layer of clouds at about 6,000, and the pilot told college guy to open the door and see if he could see anything. He did, and the guy from the UK immediately left the plane.
College guy's face turned pale. I wiggled up to the door and there wasn't anything showing below but white. "Want me to spot this one?" I asked college guy, and he nodded. Through a crack in the clouds I luckily caught a quick glimpse of a drive-in movie screen that was pretty near the DZ, made a good guesstimate as to where the DZ should be and gave the pilot a slight correction (big fields, even if we were out a bit).
College guy and I got out, hooked up, and held it through the layer of clouds, then broke off and opened. The spot turned out to be (luckily) right on. We landed ok, as did the plane. The pilot and I were laughing about the "jumpmaster" looking so scared, and then we remembered the guy from the UK.
It was a definite "oh sh**!" situation. The DZ owner sent cars out in all directions, but couldn't find him. About 2 hours after the jump a local farmer showed up with our friend ... he'd planted his canopy in a tree, had to leave his whole rig there, lost his logbook, watch and altimeter climbing out of the tree and walking out of the woods. He found a road after over an hour of bumbling around in briars, but didn't have any clue where his gear had been left.
He wasn't at all happy. It turns out that he wasn't paying close attention and, when the pilot told college guy to open the door, he assumed that we were over the spot ... so he departed expertly.
I think that they spotted his canopy from the air a few days later and were able to get it back for him, but no sign of his other stuff.


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 1, 2005, 8:18 PM
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Hi Wart,
Lesson to be learned,"Leave your watch(don't need no stinkin' watch, look at the sun!) and wallet in the car. Carry a quarter (to call) or your cell phone. Put $20.00 with your reserve data card so whoever gets to your crater first at least gets a case of beer on you. (you're dead so what the ....)


skypuppy  (D 347)

Apr 2, 2005, 5:13 AM
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Takes more than a 20 to buy a case of beer in Canada -- or are you talking US money?


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 2, 2005, 6:37 PM
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Hi Pup,
Was thinkin' U.S. $ but as you say, like gasoline, the price of alcohol keeps going up!!!


wartload

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Good advice, but that was the pre-cell phone era and I don't think there was a pay phone in the county back then. On the other hand, a case of beer could be had for about $5...if you weren't picky ... and we weren't.


skybill  (D 6009)

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Hi wart,
Must have been like the early 60's or something. DIXIE BEER was $0.99/ 6pak so $4.00/case is about right. Gas was 29.9 cents/gal.!!!! 7500' was $3.50!!!!


slug  (B License)

Apr 3, 2005, 10:34 PM
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Hi wart,
Must have been like the early 60's or something. DIXIE BEER was $0.99/ 6pak so $4.00/case is about right. Gas was 29.9 cents/gal.!!!! 7500' was $3.50!!!!

Hi Folks

Compared to the increase in the cost of Jumping (gear, lift tickets etc) over the last 40 years, the relative cost of beer has gone downUnsure

Who's buying the next roundSmile

R.I.P.


wartload

Apr 4, 2005, 5:48 AM
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Actually, early 70s ... but gas and beer were still still pretty cheap. Stuff like Miller and PBR were $1.25 a 6 at the grocery store. Bud was $1.35 a 6. 7.500' was up to about $4.50 - 5.00 then.

The owner of the jump plane that our club used worked for a travelling evangelist* as a combination organ player and bus mechanic. About once a year they'd go out to "Fleece the Flock" in the western part of the country, leaving NC with cases of cheap cigarettes stacked up to the windowsills, and returning with Coors (then unavailable on the East coast). The Coors sold back in NC for the then-unheard-of $1 a can. (*The last I heard, this guy was still running a "church" out of his busses.)


Premier SkymonkeyONE  (D 12501)

Apr 4, 2005, 6:44 AM
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Hell, well into the '80s you could still jump a Cessna (which is all most places had other than twin-bos) for a dollar per 1000 feet where I lived. My roomates and I would pitch in together at lunch everyday and buy a CASE of Old Millwauke at the PX for $3.85 in 1983. That was back when you could still have a "two beer lunch" in the Army. It was also back when they had titty dancers during lunch in the Yntema Club on Fort Bragg! It was very convenient being able to walk 100 feet from the HALO barn (and the SF Engineer committee) on Smokebomb Hill for a proper lunch in 1984.

Chuck


RogerRamjet  (D License)

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Scary story: I worked at the Z-Hills commercial center in 1973-74. I believe this took place at the '74 Thanksgiving meet. Pop-Top reserves were popular at the time and the SST piggy back rig was popular as well using a pop-top style reserve container on the back.

Now, I owned a pop-top front mount before moving on to the Wonderhog when I went to work for Booth and I got very good at packing them. It follows that I was pretty good with the SST too...

As the meet got underway, a girl came into the loft with a SST rig and said "I hear you can pack these into more of a wedge shape than this and I'd like to have you do that for me." I said I could have it done in about an hour and she could just leave me the rig to which she replied ok and left. I inspected the outside of the rig and other than the reserve being "lumpy" looking, found no exterior problems so I proceeded to do the fish scale pull test I always do. The pull force was no issue, BUT... when the pilot chute took off to the end of it's bridle, I could see that this person would have died if she had needed her reserve, for there screaming out at me were four temporary pins complete with red flags still in the temorary closing loops! They had been neatly packed under the pilot chute and it's cap and could not be seen from outside. I looked at the packing card (she had been jumping this pack job for about a month) to see who the rigger was and realized he was on the dropzone.

I got the Master Rigger (Jeff Searles who also owned the center at the time) and the ASO (Jim Hooper) and we discussed the situation for a few minutes before calling in the rigger. When he came in, I asked him to look at the rig on the table and when he did, he actually turned completely white (I had never actually seen that before, only heard about it). He just looked at us and said "I've been having nightmares about where those temporaries were for a couple of weeks now..." I just said (I never really learned how to hold back) "Didn't you learn the first rule of packing? Count your tools when you start, count your tools when you finish, if the count's don't match, open the reserve back up!"

It was decided among us NOT to tell the jumper involved. I re-packed the reserve in the correct manor and she picked it up without further problems.

I don't think Jeff and Jim reported the incident (I left that to them of course). I don't know if that was good or bad, but I do believe that guy counted his tools from that day forward!

I have seen other scary things as a rigger, but that incident really re-enforced the reasoning behind some of the things Jeff had tought me in the riggers course.


efs4ever  (D 7014)

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I've had two different riggers leave packing tools in my tandem rig. Both of them realized the error of their ways after FINALLY counting their tools. Mad Each of them contacted me immediately (like the next day...) and opened the rig up to get the tool. The first rigger GAVE me his trusty ole paddle. Crazy


BillyVance  (D 18895)

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In reply to:
Hell, well into the '80s you could still jump a Cessna (which is all most places had other than twin-bos) for a dollar per 1000 feet where I lived. My roomates and I would pitch in together at lunch everyday and buy a CASE of Old Millwauke at the PX for $3.85 in 1983. That was back when you could still have a "two beer lunch" in the Army. It was also back when they had titty dancers during lunch in the Yntema Club on Fort Bragg! It was very convenient being able to walk 100 feet from the HALO barn (and the SF Engineer committee) on Smokebomb Hill for a proper lunch in 1984.

Chuck

Heck, I remember when it was $12 to 10K feet in the ol' C182 at my first home DZ in the mid 90's... and gas was still hovering around the $1.00 per gallon mark... Sly

Your time still sounds a lot more fun though... Laugh


RogerRamjet  (D License)

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In reply to:
I've had two different riggers leave packing tools in my tandem rig. Both of them realized the error of their ways after FINALLY counting their tools. Mad Each of them contacted me immediately (like the next day...) and opened the rig up to get the tool. The first rigger GAVE me his trusty ole paddle. Crazy

Paddles or Fids as we called them scare me a lot less than temporary pins, but at least the riggers were able to contact you. Back then, I think you contacted people by calling them at home, no cell phones, no email, etc. He realized his temporary pins were missing, but probably had no way to contact traveling jumpers on their way to Z-Hills for the annual Turkey meet. I'm just happy she wanted a streamlined pack job that particular day....


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Apr 5, 2005, 9:05 AM
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So for the temp pin story -

Do you think that rigger is now likely MORE careful and particular than an average rigger because of that incident?

or is he more of a risk because of the that incident?

I like to think it's the first, that this will hammer a lesson home more effectively than any number of speeches, etc.

(It's a matter of how he learns his lessons and owns up to the responsibility)

In other words, was it a good or a bad thing that he didn't lose his rating that day?


And that was the scariest story so far in this thread.


RogerRamjet  (D License)

Apr 5, 2005, 9:14 AM
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In reply to:
So for the temp pin story -

Do you think that rigger is now likely MORE careful and particular than an average rigger because of that incident?

or is he more of a risk because of the that incident?

I like to think it's the first, that this will hammer a lesson home more effectively than any number of speeches, etc.

(It's a matter of how he learns his lessons and owns up to the responsibility)

In other words, was it a good or a bad thing that he didn't lose his rating that day?


And that was the scariest story so far in this thread.

Well, first off, this was 31 years ago, I don't even remember who the rigger was (nor would I say here). I think the odds he still rigs or jumps are low based on how many people I jumped with at the time are still jumping...

Personally, I think he learned his lesson right there. I have never seen the color leave someones face so fast and he looked like he'd just killed someone. I believe he was from Michigan as was the young lady, so I had no way to know anything more about him.

Rigging courses in those days were not structured much. There were a basic set of items that the FAA required you know, but I was tought to count my tools before and after by Jeff Searles, the master rigger who trained me, not by any requirement in the FAA documents or in Poynter's manual.

When I get a chance, I'll add my 2nd scariest riggers story.


efs4ever  (D 7014)

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This photo supposedly shows an impact crater at either Perris or Elsinore that happened over 20 years ago. It was in a photo album, and I just snapped a picture of it.

Anyone know the validity of it or the story behind it?

Unsure
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RogerRamjet  (D License)

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In reply to:
This photo supposedly shows an impact crater at either Perris or Elsinore that happened over 20 years ago. It was in a photo album, and I just snapped a picture of it.

Anyone know the validity of it or the story behind it?

Unsure

Well, I'm no expert (thankfully), but it looks fake to me. Where did the grass go? The depressions I've seen were just that, the area was depressed, but if grass was there, it remained.

I suppose someone could have removed it to keep the reminder that the sport is dangerous a little more visible over time though....


murrays  (C 1285)

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The only impact crater I saw ... the grass was removed by the force of impact ...it was a patch of bare ground surrounded by grass.... so that photo may be real. It's an awful deep crater...must have been fairly soft ground.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Apr 5, 2005, 1:14 PM
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This photo supposedly shows an impact crater at either Perris or Elsinore that happened over 20 years ago. It was in a photo album, and I just snapped a picture of it.

Anyone know the validity of it or the story behind it?

Unsure

I would say "Bull shit". I have jumped at both for over25 years and have never heard of it.

The torso may leave a depression that deep but not the arms and legs.

Sparky


steve1  (D 23640)

Apr 5, 2005, 2:40 PM
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Heck, I remember when it was $12 to 10K feet in the ol' C182 at my first home DZ in the mid 90's... and gas was still hovering around the $1.00 per gallon mark... Sly
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I can barely remember a few things from the early 70's. A cessna ride to 8,000 ft. was $3.50. A reserve repack was only $5.00, but you needed one every 60 days. I think beer was around $5.00 a case. A complete set of used gear (28 ft. round, 24 ft. round reserve in military containers, might be $150. A new mark 1 para-commander was around $300. Even us poor bastards could afford to jump back then...Steve1


steve1  (D 23640)

Apr 5, 2005, 2:49 PM
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So for the temp pin story -

Do you think that rigger is now likely MORE careful and particular than an average rigger because of that incident?

or is he more of a risk because of the that incident?

I like to think it's the first, that this will hammer a lesson home more effectively than any number of speeches, etc.

(It's a matter of how he learns his lessons and owns up to the responsibility)

In other words, was it a good or a bad thing that he didn't lose his rating that day?


And that was the scariest story so far in this thread.

I recall committing a major error when I first started out rigging back in the 70's. It probably would not have been fatal, but could have been, and it scared the hell out of me.

I assembled and packed a round reserve in a chest pack. Everything was fine, but I forgot the cross connector. If someone had cut away, the butterfly snap could have come unhooked causing the risers to be hooked only on one side. A small chance, but a big error none the less.

I realized my mistake the next day after a long thinking process, and repacked it immediately. It made me think hard whether I wanted to be a rigger after that. It also made me a lot more careful whenever I did rigging work.

This sort of thing probably happens more than you realize, because noone wants to admit such a major screw up....Steve1


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 5, 2005, 8:55 PM
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Hi efs and all,
Yes that is a true crater!! Annie Helliwell and I left Perris for Ghoulidge a couple of daze after Christmas one afternoon and this joker went in right after we left. It was Christmas of 83. I have several photos ot this crater too. He went in just north of where the new hanger is now. As the story goes, he was jumping (his second) wih his daughters who he had given first jump courses for Christmas. He went in and his family sued. Of course the lawyers got ahold of the coroners report and it seems that he had a little blood in his alcohol system!!! (Get it??) From what I heard, he made a lousy exit and had a lousy mal which he did nothing about. (at that time Perris had the SOS red pig rigs so all he had to do is "Pull the red handle!!!) Any way, it had rained so the ground was relatively soft and the way he dented the earth, it did kill the grass. unfortunately I don't have a scanner so I can't post my photo's right now but if you bug me enough, I'm sur I can find one.

PS I don't have a photo of it but the crater that Rick Nelson (not of Ozy and Harriet) made south of the canal was even better. That's the one that Doc johnson made the plaster of paris bird bath out of and that's another story!!!!!!!!!!!!


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 5, 2005, 9:02 PM
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Hi Spark,
Yes it happened, read my other post.


jbrasher  (D 5166)

Apr 5, 2005, 10:08 PM
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I put around 500 jumps on my first piggyback a Starto Star Wedge container w/ a Starto Star naturally and an unmodified 24' round as the reserve. Never had a cutaway but I lent the rig to a friend so he could make his 1st square jump in 1975. Well, we didn't do much in the way of checking him out; hell, we where still pretty new to these things and never mentioned/thought about end-cell closures which happened a fair amount of the time but were no big deal.
He thought otherwise and used the shot and a halfs and landed my reserve.
I was a little pissed but thankful he was OK.
He said the cutaway went fine but that the reserve took a little while to open.

The reason was the the MA-1 pilot chute still had the temp pin keeping it compressed so nothing left the container until he rolled unto his side.

The temp pin alos put a hole in the apex of my reserve.

Well, we showed this to Gary Douris who was the manager at the time and he got that devilish grin of his (if you;ve seen it you know what I mean) and called the guy who'd packed the reserve and told him to get his ass over to the airport because the FAA wanted to talked to him about the bounce caused by his pack job.
Well, when he got there he found out the mistake he'd made and that the call had been a lesson for hm to learn.

He did; I'd let him pack my reserve again.


bch7773  (C License)

Apr 5, 2005, 10:51 PM
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that looks too perfect to be real... it might have been where someone bounced but then they dug it bigger or pulled out the grass.


RogerRamjet  (D License)

Apr 6, 2005, 2:50 PM
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When I get a chance, I'll add my 2nd scariest riggers story.

While working at Z-Hills in 1975, I got saddled with the safety check of rigs for the annual Turkey meet. This guy shows up to have his rig inspected and when I take a look at the harness, I just about fall over. Have you been jumping this? I asked to which he replied, "yeah, I have about a dozen jumps on it. Well, if you inspect your harness, you will see that critical junctions are sewn with a particular pattern. We used to call it a double diamond, though it is more of a quad diamond. His harness was sewn with a pattern resembling an "N" instead. I could not believe he had not dropped right out of the thing on the first jump. I have attached (I think) a crude example I drew in paint to illistrate.

The first pattern is what should be, the 2nd is what he had....


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wartload

Apr 7, 2005, 8:58 AM
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Care to share who the manufacturer of that rig was?


RogerRamjet  (D License)

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Care to share who the manufacturer of that rig was?

To be quite honest, I don't remember, but I think the guy worked for the maker of the rig and did the sewing himself. At that time, nearly all the custom gear being jumped was NOT TSO'd, Wonderhog, SST, Eagle, etc., no TSO's on any of them. It was something of a lax time FAA wise....


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markd_nscr986  (C 11969)

Apr 7, 2005, 1:36 PM
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Definitely not "entirely" real based on the ones I've seenFrown

Looks like someone did a little excavating


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 8, 2005, 10:11 AM
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Hi Mark,
Yes it is real. Read my above post. I saw it too.


murrays  (C 1285)

Apr 8, 2005, 4:10 PM
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PS I don't have a photo of it but the crater that Rick Nelson (not of Ozy and Harriet) made south of the canal was even better. That's the one that Doc johnson made the plaster of paris bird bath out of and that's another story!!!!!!!!!!!!


hehehe...So, the story I was told in 1985 (by a Perris jumper who now lives in Sweden) about the bird bath crater is true! Until now I was never completely sure that I wasn't being had.


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 8, 2005, 6:20 PM
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Hi Mark again,
The only "Excavating" done in the crater was done by the guy diong it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really. To all who have doubts, I can only say,"You shouldda' bin' there!!!!!!" (except for in the crater that is. Unfortunately I have been witness to many a crater site over the years. Most were not too spectacular in that there was a slight divot, some skidmarks and besides some body fluid, not much else. This one and Ric Nelsons though were "epic!!"


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 8, 2005, 6:56 PM
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Hi Saskatoon Murray!
hehehehe, you have to be talking aout Guy McLaughlin formerly of So, Cal and now of Sweden!, Yes that's true. Sorry I didn't get a photo of the crater but I got to lurk it just the same. As the story goes, this guy seemed a bit "off" and was given by a couple of people (Bad Bob Appleton for one) the,"Bowling speech!" He pressed on in the stratic line progression program and made it to his gradution dive. This was his "first" from 12500', first RW, first kisspass (with Black Death Anna, "the kiss of Death!!") and last but not least, his first bounce!! Ric and BDA leave the plane and she hooks up with him and gives him a "kiss." They check alt., split , do a 360" and hook back up and repeat till about 4 or 5 grand where BDA "waves him off as to say dive over, go open chute now (get it?)" Well, dumdum does the 360" but is staring "UP!!!" in space looking for the love of the rest of his miserable life for another "Kiss!!" At the last second he sees the ground and attemps to go fetal. from the impact it appears that his knees and elbows hit first and the rest of him follows, face down. Good impact, not nothing out or even attempted. The ground was freshly plowed and it rained the previous 3 or so daze so all was ready. His indent was so clear you could even make out the 3-rings and the weave of the cloth from his clothes. He was wearing some kind of button front shirt. The buttons were the typical 4-holed type with 2 bartacs. When he hit, the compression fractured the top exposed button on the bartacs, and when they pulled him out, the outside parts of the button were left in the crater. I lurked them!!!!!!! One nigh when we were out drinking, I gave one of the pieces to my buddy "Red Beard" for safe keeping. The other part of the story is Doc Johnson and the plaster of paris. "A properly functioning mind (never mind the AAD) could have prevented this fatality.


jonstark  (D 8298)

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Locust Grove, GA. Skydive Green County.

Jumper committing suicide tracked toward the pit and overshot. He then turned around and tried again but hit about 10 feet shy and bounced over the pit.

He left a perfect delta crater. We would go out to it from time to time and have a safety meeting dontcha know. The crater was often refurbished by foot skuffing and some rock salt.

The DZ dawg got the tasty treat of the deceased's brain matter.

circa 1980-ish?


murrays  (C 1285)

Apr 8, 2005, 8:10 PM
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Hi Bill,

It was Guy that told me the story...thanks for giving me the story of the jump itself....I shouldn't laugh...but I am really hard.


airtwardo  (D License)

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This was his "first" from 12500', first RW, first kisspass (with Black Death Anna, "the kiss of Death!!") and last but not least, his first bounce!!

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So Bill...tell us!

What became of the four case of BEER!?
Wink


GreenLight  (D 18859)

Apr 9, 2005, 5:36 PM
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Here's the scariest thing I've seen in skydiving....
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murrays  (C 1285)

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The ground was freshly plowed and it rained the previous 3 or so daze so all was ready. His indent was so clear you could even make out the 3-rings and the weave of the cloth from his clothes.

Did the plaster of paris pick up the detail? Does the cast or bird bath still exist? I think every dropzone should have a copy as a first jump course aidWink


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 11, 2005, 7:14 PM
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Hi Murrays,
The plaster bird bath was in the Perris Ghetto for a long time and eventually "disappeared from view." Perhaps it may still be under someone's trailer or?? Al Frisby or one of the oher old farts may know what happened to it?? The detail was pretty good in the crater when I saw it!!!! Trying to find the bird bath today may be like trying to find the "Queen Anne's Revenge" here in NC at the coast!! The ledgend lives on!! I think that some of the detail was lost but the basic shape was intact. (perfect cookie cutter imprint!!!!!!!!!!!!)


skybill  (D 6009)

Apr 11, 2005, 7:16 PM
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Hey Jim,
Asshole went in and never bought his beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


wartload

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(A little prologue first)
I learned to skydive at a club that was located on an airport in a rural area. They were a great bunch of people, but there wasn't any real incentive to instruct newcomers. I'd waited around all day for someone to have time for me, but it was too good a day for jumping. The sun was starting to go down so I risked bugging one of the guys to see if there was still a chance to learn that day. He gave me about 15-20 minutes of explanation as to how to steer the cheapo and how to do a cutaway/reserve deployment, then loaded me up for a sunset SL jump. It went fine, and I was back the next day for 3 more SL jumps. Everything went fine.

The next weekend I did my last dummy ripcord pull, a couple of hop'n'pops, and a 10 sec delay. I asked my instructor (not at the time rated as an instructor, but he didn't have a pilot's license, either, and he was a great jump pilot) what I needed to do about freefall. He concluded that I'd done fine up to that point, and that I'd gotten to the point where distance didn't matter all that much. The next load was going to 7,500 and there was room for one more. I might as well get on that one and see what freefall was like ... so I did.

I didn't have an altimeter, but one of the other guys had just been loaned a new wrist-mounted altimeter to field test how it worked. Everyone else was using big aircraft altimeters, mounted on the reserve bungees, so this was an honor. The best thing was that I didn't really have to read any numbers ... just watch for the needle to get to the red zone.

The exit was a basic student departure. The spot happened to be directly over "the numbers" at the far end of the runway. I fell flat and stable, alternating between checking the needle on the altimeter and looking at the scenery. It was really cool. Time seemed to stand still. The needle on that new type of altimeter wasn't getting close to the red area nearly as fast as I thought it would.

It was still 'way up in the white area when I glanced down and saw the numbers on the runway suddenly getting *very* big, so I punched the ripcord without thinking about it.

The canopy opened. I got turned almost into the wind and did a PLF on the end of the paved runway. Then I gathered up all of my stuff and had to walk almost a half mile back to where the clubhouse was, but I had a big grin on my face all the way there. The guy who loaned me the altimeter met me about 200 feet from where everyone else was standing. When I got to where he could hear me, I said,

"This freefall stuff is GREAT!"

"You liked that, did you?"

"YEAH!"

"I think you liked it a little too much! Why'd you pull so low?"

"Well, I was waiting for the altimeter needle to get to the red, but it never did, so I pulled when I saw the ground coming up at me."

The guy looked at the altimeter. The needle was just then touching the edge of the red area. It was an "Aww SH**!!!" sort of moment -- the face had managed to somehow lift up and rotate 90 degrees in the case while I was in freefall. I'm not sure how that happened, because I didn't get to look at the altimeter again before it went back to the manufacturer, but the design was modified before they went onto the market.


alw  (C 35179)

Apr 13, 2005, 6:01 PM
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I used to make some demo jumps in the old days. Anyone with more than a hundred jumps and a para-commander was usually invited. Well anyhow after a 25 year lay off I started jumping again.
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I 've been readin and enjoyin but I couldn't bring myself to post till I read this. I spent some time in a government position in the 60's and 70's. Couldn't really call it skydiving - just doing what UPS does today - delivering the mail (me mail). I got started in sport jumping in Idaho Falls (The Tiki Room) in '75 but new nonskid on the 182 strut took a layer of skin off my arm the day my new wife made her wuffo debut and my blood and the fact that our JM broke his leg in front of her was her scariest and my last day of jumping.

30 years later she gave me a ballon ride coupon with a skydiver and a paraglider on it and went home to visit her mother. Figuring at this age I could claim I forgot the "never again promise", I re-zeroed the log book, figured what the heck and headed for the DZ. These young guys are pretty patient with an old man and the gear is the balls!

- so I'll share my scary story (and it wasn't when my wife got home from her mother's)

Circa 1968 somewhere hot and humid - I'm headed for a pre-dawn twilight SO. Just like well manicured stadium grass, elephant grass is hard to judge. Treat it like water - right? I end up on my chin in the tall tall grass - not so scary.

When my ears stopped ringing I could hear a hiss like an air hose leak at Dobber's filling station back home. Another second and my vision cleared enough to actually focus on the cobra that might have been 10 feet away but looked like it was in my face.

Now that's scary. After getting up and being yanked back on my ass trying to run away in harness I did an adrenaline induced cutaway then made an orderly and dignified exit (sort of).


skybill  (D 6009)

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Hey Wart,
How did it feel to be a "Test Jumper" and you weren't even on the payroll!!!???


wartload

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Didn't really think about it that way at the time. I'm sure that you did the same kinda stuff and didn't think of it that way, either

Looking out the rear window, through 35 years of the haze that time creates, we did stuff that was clearly unsafe and stupid. The thing is, that we weren't looking at it through the rear window then. Life was right in front of the windshield for us, and we figured that the rigs we were jumping were about as safe as they could possibly get ... there was just a little room for improved performance.

I've still got my first "high performance" rig and plan to post some pics of it when I can get to it. It was a very early Security pig rig that had a lead stop on the ripcord, a gravel protectors on the ripcord housing ends, an "aftermarket" jeeziz string (or "oh sh**! cord), blast handle, no AOD (AAD ... they were scarce and expensive), etc. Compared to the stuff today, it might seem like a death rig, but it was pretty cool stuff at the time.

The safety of today was learned from the lessons of back then ... and before.

There were some military guys who worked at the rigger's shack on a base about 2 hours' fast drive away from the club where I learned to jump. They'd show up with a trunk full of "damaged" canopies that had officially been destroyed (some had a dirt smudge on them, or a small burn, etc.). They'd haul them out, take what looked like a pair of long carpet shears to them, and start cutting out panels ... just to see what various sorts of patterns performed like.

I don't recall very many malfunctions, even on that sort of stuff, but people always seemed to assume that they were going to have a 'function before too long, and I think they were much better prepared for one when it happened.


Ashtanga

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This is a story I heard from an old schooler. His son packed tandems at a dz and he came to visit. I do not know if this actually could happen? I never wanted to try it to find out. Wink

Said old timer made a few jumps one day. Last jump of the day he landed off and was waiting for someone to pick him up. Decided to daisy chain his lines and close the rig since it was the last jump of the day. The dz came and picked him up and he went back to the hanger and had a few beers and went home.

His gear sat at home all week...

Saturday morning he went out to the dz and there was a 10 minute call. He wanted to get on the load that was being planned so he got on it. They geared up, went out and got on the plane. Up to altitude and out they went. Had a good dive, he tracked away...

As he deployed he watched as his lines became undaisychained rather akwardly above him.Laugh He forgot that he daisy chained his lines and closed the bag the previous weekend! He said he had some line twists but it opened and he landed the canopy!Laugh

I laughed really hard when I heard that story.


wartload

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I think that would be brutal on the lines! I guess that it's possibly a true story, but I didn't know anyone who'd close the container completely when the lines were just daisey chained. You'd just hook a couple of bungees across with thestuff hanging out and clearly visible.

The group that I mainly jumped with for awhile got to the point that we decided a sloppy pack on a PC would open as reliably as a good one, so long as the lines were stowed reasonably cleanly and there was a clear "tunnel" of at least four feet. I never saw a malfunction on a "trash pack" job like that, and you could do one in about 10 minutes, vs about 30. The rate of small friction burns on canopies probably increased, though.


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mccurley  (E 663)

Apr 14, 2005, 6:20 PM
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I remember when I started in the early 70s a story about a guy to prove point took a cheapo up, stuffed in a paper bag with daisy chained lines and it worked good enough that he did a few more times just to show off.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

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a story about a guy to prove point took a cheapo up, stuffed in a paper bag with daisy chained lines

I used to tell my FJC students that it stood a better than 85% chance of opening that way, and that it was a standard Army jumpmaster trick.

I had no idea how true it was (other than that it really is not bad -- if the lines come out at all they should be fine -- remember a T10 has a shitload of over-engineered lines). But it sounded good, and no student ever contradicted me Tongue

Wendy W.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Apr 14, 2005, 7:26 PM
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