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Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Nov 26, 2006, 11:37 AM
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The "High cost" of the FOIA search costs are First 2 hrs: no chargeRemainder: $18/hr: manual, $11-27/hr: computer. Then also for the copies of the files: First 100 pages: no charge Remainder: 10 cents/page. If you can get someone in the news meida to sponsor the request then the search fee is waived and you only have to pay for the xerox costs.

Is there even an estiamte from the FBI on how much a full search and reproduction of their records will cost? If not I agree that not all the search work has been done with the FBI and law agencies.


MakeItHappen

Nov 26, 2006, 12:09 PM
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After getting out of prison he is working menial jobs, nor being able to get on his feet and support his family - in 1970 he finds he has a kidney disease that is going to kill him (in those days you did not live long on the machines).

This man is defeated, but he has the information and plans with two yrs in prison to plan this. He had been involved since the 60's in covert and mob activities...from Las Vegas to Chicago to New Orlean to Miami to Texas and Tenn. In 1971 he is desperate - broke and his wife has left him. He has a disease that at that time was a death sentence.

I don't follow the part where he has a short life expectancy in 1971, yet lives to 1995?
Did he really have kidney disease?
Did dialysis work better than you say?
Did he get a transplant?

I have copies of old Parachutist magazines and can see if his name or aliases are listed in the Wings-n-Things section. It also lists the state the jumper was from at the time. I do know that USPA did go through their records at the time to look for this person. They did not find anything.

Personally, I think DB Cooper went in on that jump and no one has been able to find his remains.
Several years ago there was a BASE jumper that made a successful jump, but his canopy landed in a swiftly flowing river. He was swept away. S&R could not find his body - and they knew where to look. Something similar probably happened to DB Cooper.

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sartre

Nov 26, 2006, 12:46 PM
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Why in the Photo, do some of these men have their faces covered up?

Mrs Weber, I have been wondering about this comment for a few days. In looking at the photo, it doesn't appear to me that any of the men have their faces covered up. I am intigued by this thread as well, but just confused about a couple of your posts. Am I missing something?


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Nov 26, 2006, 12:53 PM
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They are wearing helmets. They are not covering up their faces.


sartre

Nov 26, 2006, 1:57 PM
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Thus my question to Mrs. Weber.Smile


Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 26, 2006, 3:35 PM
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Neutral third party viewpoint here. This will help explain the argument. This will help explain why we need to stay polite and continue to do benefit-of-doubt.

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Yes, there is emotional reaction, but remember Jo is the one who had the dying husband, not you -- even if you don't think he's real, you need to give understanding of that. Hear, hear!

I continue to watch this story. It is one of the most interesting threads on dropzone.com lately.

Wow! Damned if I do and damned if I don't. It was my intent to stay out of this increasingly emotional thread but this post of yours and, more so, having a moderator lock a thread I started to address the facts of this issue has caused me to defend myself.

I started another thread having to do with this issue because, IMHO, Mrs. Weber is failing to look at the facts regarding DB Cooper.

You will note that in the fourth paragraph of the post which starts this thread she wrote: I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it.

For those of you new to the thread and DB Cooper particularly, I was under scrutiny 35 years ago because of an advertisement I placed in a Philadelphia newspaper in which I advertised "Parachute lessons for hijacking and other fun." Click on the link in my sig below to see the ad.

I purposely created another subject because I did not want to hijack the hijacking thread. The moderator of the locked thread told me a new thread wasn't needed and to post here.

This response addresses other facts regarding DB Cooper.

In the other thread I have a link to an essay I wrote dealing with facts Mrs. Weber doesn't want to entertain. And, as you can see from her posts up-thread of this she wrote to me: I am really sorry you started that thread.

What she doesn't want the DZ.com community to be aware of is that two or three FBI agents have gone public about this whole issue. One agent co-wrote a book about the whole episode and another agent shot and killed a man who hijacked a plane for $500,000 not long after the DB Cooper hijack.

That $500,000 hijacker was ex-Special Forces and a seasoned skydiver. Speculation at the time was that he did the DB Cooper hijack. My money is on him; Mrs. Weber's money seems to be on her ex-husband.

The FBI agent O'Hara who did the shooting is quoted in the book written by the FBI agent as saying: "When I shot Richard McCoy, I shot D.B. Cooper at the same time."

You can read more about this in the essay I wrote by clicking here:
http://berniesayers.com/...ch_for_DB_Cooper.htm

As I write, above, I purposely did not want to attack or defame Mrs. Weber in her own thread but she and I have a differing opinion regarding finding facts and dealing with them. I have defended her against very personal attacks but disagree with her current attitude in regard to the publicly available issues.

I did not want to hijack the hijacking thread by writing a post like this but I'm following the moderator's guidance.

You decide. Read the other information available. See my essay above for links.


(This post was edited by Guru312 on Nov 26, 2006, 3:46 PM)


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 26, 2006, 5:38 PM
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Here's a 1999 article concerning the 727 co-pilot . . .

Also - Has it ever been revealed exactly what kind of rigs they gave him? I remember reading (somewhere years ago) they came from a local parachute loft. I always assumed they were four pilot's rigs and not sport gut gear.

NickD Smile
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>>Ken Eisinger / Star Tribune

Capt. William Rataczak will tell you that he has two families -- his relatives and his professional colleagues -- and he doesn't like people messing with either.

In 1971, airline hijacker D.B. Cooper messed with both. Rataczak, who retired Monday after a 34-year career with Northwest Airlines, was the co-pilot during the legendary D.B. Cooper skyjacking. Cooper captivated the nation when he ransomed a jetliner for $200,000 and then parachuted out the back of the plane over southwestern Washington state.

He was never seen again, but $5,800 of the ransom money was discovered along the Columbia River in 1980. His feat -- or his folly -- has inspired books, a movie, annual festivals and a play by local laywright John Orlock.

Rataczak, who lives in South Haven, Minn., took a break from the cheers and applause of his friends and family at his retirement reception Monday at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to reflect on his experience.

He had been flying commercially only six years when a man calling himself Dan Cooper -- the "D.B." came from a reporter's mistake and remains today -- boarded Rataczak's Boeing 727 in Portland, Ore., with 36 other passengers.

Cooper gave a flight attendant a note, which she ignored, thinking he was trying to come on to her. Soon after takeoff she read it and relayed the message to Capt. William Scott and Rataczak that the plane was being hijacked by a man with a bomb.

"He wanted $200,000 and four parachutes," Rataczak said. "And no funny stuff."

Upon his arrival Monday at the airport from Oslo, Norway, retiring Capt. William Rataczak shared a laugh with fellow Capt. Pete Johnson.

The plane circled above the Seattle airport while police below raced to get the ransom money and find the parachutes. When the plane landed, Cooper freed the passengers and two flight attendants in return for the ransom.

Rataczak recalled that he, the other pilot, a flight engineer and the remaining two attendants could have left the plane as well because they were out of Cooper's sight. But Rataczak said he couldn't get the flight attendants' attention.

Cooper then ordered Rataczak and Scott to fly to Mexico, agreeing to a refueling stop in Reno.

Although Cooper's identity remains a mystery, Rataczak said he was able to discern some of the criminal's qualities. Cooper's comments indicated he was familiar with the Seattle area, and had an dvanced knowledge of aviation, Rataczak said.

Just after takeoff, Cooper ordered the remaining attendant to go to the cockpit and close the curtain behind her. When she looked back, he was tying the money to his waist. In the cockpit, the pilots saw the stair signal light flash and felt a sudden dip and then ascension in the plane's flight.

The dip was caused when Cooper jumped from the rear stairs at 10,000 feet, going 196 miles per hour, about 20 miles north of Portland. He wore only a business suit with loafers, and he plummeted into stormy weather with a windchill of 70 below.

An ensuing FBI manhunt found no trace of Cooper. His myth gained momentum. His legend is one part mystery, and one part folk tale; a combination of Bigfoot and Robin Hood. Hundreds of people who annually attend festivals in Ariel, Wash., think Cooper escaped with his money and is alive and well today. When an 8-year-old boy found about $5,800 of the marked ransom money on a riverbank in 1980, the stories began again.

Rataczak doesn't believe the hype.

"My mind tells me he's dead," he said. "And my heart tells me I hope he is because he caused a great number of people a great deal of grief.

"Many people didn't realize that there were 36 other passengers and a crew of six on that aircraft whose lives were in jeopardy. . . . It's an open book today, if he's ever caught, he will go to prison."<<


Frenchy68  (A License)

Nov 26, 2006, 6:08 PM
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Also - Has it ever been revealed exactly what kind of rigs they gave him? I remember reading (somewhere years ago) they came from a local parachute loft. I always assumed they were four pilot's rigs and not sport gut gear.

Article found on the web
"The parachute types specified by D.B. Cooper, according to author Gunther, were acquired from a sport parachute center in Issaquah, Washington-two standard emergency back-type and two chest-type auxiliary parachutes (the latter generally termed reserve chutes, for back-up emergency use if the main chute should malfunction when a sport parachutist was making a jump). The parachute center in Issaquah provided the two chest packs and Earl Cossey, a parachuting instructor at the Issaquah drop zone as well as an FAA Master Parachute Rigger, contacted at his nearby home, brought two back-type rigs from his parachute workshop there and delivered them to the parachute school. (The types and number of parachutes asked for by D.B. Cooper led to early speculation that the skyjacker might have freefall parachuting experience and that he might have an accomplice.)"

Also, were there any confirmation that anyone from the crew checked whether Cooper was indeed gone prior to landing in Reno? Could he have jumped further South than everyone thinks?


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 26, 2006, 8:35 PM
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And...one of the 'reserves' from the DZ was of the old "Training Aid" types...Cossey realized it when he put his 'personal' main containers with them, told the FBI...but it was to late to retrieve another belly wart.

From what I understand, DB opened the 'non' "Training Aid"
canopy and cut some 550 with which to secure the satchel of greenbacks.










airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 27, 2006, 7:18 AM
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I was also looking for the jumpers views of how he managed to survive this jump and their perspectives.

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Jo~

There is an annual skydiving convention held in the Midwest for well over 20 years now. One of the main attractions to jumpers worldwide is the opportunity to get to do a "D.B. Cooper" jump, in which skydivers exit that rear air stair of a Boeing 727. It's done often and by many, usually exiting almost 'en-mass'. I've jumped the jet myself and am obviously living proof that the parachute part of the 1971 skyjacking event is survivable and possible.




b1jercat  (B 26608)

Nov 27, 2006, 10:37 PM
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Call Ralph 503-630-5867. Wink

blues

jerry


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1010  (B 28561)

Nov 27, 2006, 10:45 PM
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Call Ralph 503-630-5867. Wink

blues

jerry


I was just thinking the same thing ...

Jo, Ralph Hatley has been involved with skydiving for a long time, I gotta believe he's got an opinion about this subject, like everything else Wink. He owns a big skydiving gear store 30 miles SE of Portland.






wuffo2

Nov 30, 2006, 1:41 AM
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This is an excellent thread!

Makes you wonder though, while the FBI are reading this if they are actually reading other threads in the forums.


Ever met a Lawyer or an Accountant that COULD READ ?! Crazy


Much less one on the Federal Teat??? Tongue


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~ I N C O M I N G ! ! ! ~

No. O U T G O I N G !!!...I'm done...

This thread has lost its interest for me.

It is beyond my understanding why the person who started it steadfastly refuses to file FOIA requests...and then bitches about the information that is not provided.

Good luck, Jo, I have better things to do with my life.

I think I'm going to rake leaves. Ever try to get a FOIA nowadays? Hope you have plenty of connections and lots of bucks and time. Then when you get it it's half blacked out. Your Govt. at workWink


Premier TomAiello  (D 22400)
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Nov 30, 2006, 8:43 AM
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I've moved this thread from Speakers' Corner to History and Trivia.

Hopefully, folks who want to contribute something useful to help Jo can do so here, and we'll avoid the arguments that started in the Bonfire.

Please remember that Jo is entitled to post her opinions and ask questions, just as every member of these forums is. Personal attacks will not be tolerated here (or elsewhere in these forums).

If you want to share something with Jo, please do so. If you think she's on a wild goose chase, I advise you to just ignore this thread and spend your time elsewhere.

Thanks!




Douva  (D 22772)

Dec 1, 2006, 12:46 AM
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Some people might find it interesting to view the photo Jo posted next to this age progressed version of the FBI sketch.

I'm sure this is information Jo already has, but for those of you who were so interested in what the FBI might release through a Freedom of Information Act filing, some of that information is posted here.

Jo, I'm sorry if somebody has already asked this and I missed it, but do you have an idea what part of the country Duane was living in during the late '60s/early '70s? That would probably help us narrow down the drop zones where he might have jumped and therefore the list of people to whom you should speak.


DBCOOPER  (D 24112)

Dec 1, 2006, 7:39 AM
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airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 1, 2006, 8:00 AM
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