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Ckret

Jan 3, 2008, 5:22 AM
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The test was done using the same plane (NW Flight 305) Cooper jumped from. In fact the the pilot from that flight was on the test flight. It was done using a sled that would have weighed what Cooper was reported to have weighed.


Ckret

Jan 3, 2008, 5:39 AM
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Jo, I am not going to enter a debate with you. You have my number call me and I'll try to answer what questions you have. The vast majority of questions you ask I have no answer for. I can, however, answer any question related to the night of the highjacking and the investigation surrounding it. For example, the training reserve Cooper jumped with had a white canopy.


SwampThing  (D License)

Jan 3, 2008, 6:32 AM
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I see, was the USAF test done in flight and with a jumper leaving the AC?

No it was done without a jumper (I believe they used a sled) - the insurance company felt it too risky.

Probably not the company Duane worker for! Wink


bozo  (D 10154)

Jan 3, 2008, 7:04 AM
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Just some random thoughts.
I'm wondering if the oldtimers here....if they did have any real information on Cooper and his whereabouts, would they tell Agent Ckret.

I'm betting the negative.

In the very early 80s I knew a couple of longtime jumpers , from the Northwest, who swore they knew who Cooper was. They wouldnt say anymore than that.
One is now dead and the other has destroyed his brain with drugs (shades of the smuggling days).

What do you think.....would ya ...give him up?


SwampThing  (D License)

Jan 3, 2008, 8:27 AM
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Just some random thoughts.
I'm wondering if the oldtimers here....if they did have any real information on Cooper and his whereabouts, would they tell Agent Ckret.

I'm betting the negative.

In the very early 80s I knew a couple of longtime jumpers , from the Northwest, who swore they knew who Cooper was. They wouldnt say anymore than that.
One is now dead and the other has destroyed his brain with drugs (shades of the smuggling days).

What do you think.....would ya ...give him up?

You bet, it's Guru! Sly


Orange1  (B 2638)

Jan 3, 2008, 8:56 AM
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My question to you Ckret is, beside Jo Weber's accounts, and somewhat "evidence", are there any other people in the world that think their friend or loved one was DB?

Yes, Lyle Christiansen has put his brother Kenneth (now deceased) forward. He was an ex paratrooper working some lowish paid job with NWA who suddenly found enough money to buy himself a house, etc. Ckret has dismissed him on physical description and the (admittedly reasonable) argument that he would have been too well known to the crew to hijack a plane in the area he worked. But no DNA testing has been done. (Ckret, I think i have summarised this all correctly, if not please feel free to correct it!)

There was a link to one article about Christiansen some pages ago, google brings up lots.

This was the main story:
http://nymag.com/news/features/39593/

Here's another one:
http://www.startribune.com/local/11592341.html

fwiw, Lyle seems as convinced about his brother as Jo is about Duane. Ckret is quoted as saying this in the 2nd article: "I'm sure he absolutely believes his brother is D.B. Cooper," said Larry Carr, who has been the lead investigator on the case for just over a year. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you."

Ckret also says, in that article, about Christiansen:
"He had brown eyes. He was too short," Carr said. "The stewardess who spent the most time with Cooper said he had hazel eyes and that she looked up to him, and she was 5 foot 8. I'm not going to say it's not him, but I probably won't put a lot of effort into an investigation."


RPC1117  (C 37095)

Jan 3, 2008, 9:43 AM
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3. How he exited the plane? Experiments with the Boeing (which Duane was aware of - remember Duane's brother was a consultant for the army for Boeing) was to back down the aftstairs to the very end and to drop off.

Hi,
I am curious about this. In an earlier post you say "The brother had not seen Duane since the 50's when his mother died..."

So, how is this relevant? The first 727 flew in 1963. The timeline just seems to long to be of any consequence for all this.

Thanks,


ryoder  (D 6663)

Jan 3, 2008, 10:04 AM
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What do you think.....would ya ...give him up?

You bet, it's Guru! Sly
No, it was Mark Felt.Wink
OK, maybe not, but wouldn't the irony be great!LaughLaughLaugh


Ckret

Jan 3, 2008, 11:26 AM
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Your correct.

The reporter got the physicals backwards in his story.


Guru312  (C 6814)

Jan 3, 2008, 11:51 AM
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...the other has destroyed his brain with drugs (shades of the smuggling days).

What do you think.....would ya ...give him up?

You bet, it's Guru! Sly

Damn, guys, you gave me up that fast??!!

Just see if I give you a cut from my next caper.


low_pull1

Jan 3, 2008, 7:45 PM
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landing in a tree was half the problem:

staying warm through the night was the other problem. ive slep in 20F while only using a canopy (Dry F111). stayed toasy warm. Is it possible to stay warm in wet material from a cheapo ....i believe so but am not sure. im thinking one would be warm...but still wet.

any experience sleeping in an older wet canopy?

anyone want to try? fbi man??

Camp Fire? Angelic
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he smoked and would have had matches

yes , very possible


low_pull1

Jan 3, 2008, 8:16 PM
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Ckret, what happened to the butts?


low_pull1

Jan 3, 2008, 8:20 PM
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is mullins old enough?

Ross Wrobleski is too young i believe.....ross,,,your thoughts?






Ckret

Jan 4, 2008, 7:49 AM
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1) Don't have an answer for

2) No BYU stick pin with initials

3) I am not aware of a hotel registration, agents went to all of the hotels around the Portland airport in the following days, I am not aware that the effort produced any notable leads.

4) I believe I addressed this a few pages ago, I don't know where they are. I have our evidence tech's looking to see if they can find them.

the rest I don't have answer for.


(This post was edited by Ckret on Jan 4, 2008, 7:49 AM)


SafecrackingPLF

Jan 4, 2008, 12:50 PM
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Looks like there's a lot of posts to go through since I've been out of town!

Ckret, it looks like your efforts are certainly bringing a new life blood into the mix, and that's more than we could say before.

When I woke up on New Year's Morning, your press release was THE top story, front page, top fold, top headline of the Columbian. The Seattle Times picked up this article and ran it on the front section, back cover. Certainly the news outlets find this case somewhat newsworthy even 36 years after the fact.

In the article, or press release, you asked for someone to use satellite technology to trace the path of the money. Well, I found this funny because I promised the DZ community that I'd spend some time on this issue while I was in the area. On the 31st, I spent some time at the local library making copies of maps. I have all the maps I need to do a bit of an indepth report using satellite imagery.

I will make such a post, but please give me some time. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of streams and creeks in Clark County.

I will not be able to write a report on Cowlitz or Skamania. If Cooper landed in Cowlitz, then Cooper lived, that's all that should be said there. If Cooper landed in Skamania then this whole case is wacked out because there's bigger hills there and it wouldn't make sense for the pilots to fly over it. What I'm saying is that as long as we're talking about Clark County, then my findings will have some veracity.

My post, when made, will be short in words and long in attached photos. In the meantime, it looks like I will have a lot of catching up to do on this forum! Wow... lots of posts!


BGill  (D 28834)

Jan 4, 2008, 12:58 PM
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thanks for your efforts. this is a really interesting case to follow.


jose9878  (D 14316)

Jan 4, 2008, 6:48 PM
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In 1979 Rackstraw was 35 yrs old at the time of his arrest. That would have made Rackstraw about 28 yrs old in 1971. That age just doesn't work. Not one witness put Cooper in under thirty.

This was obviously why he was released and no publicity was given to the subject. I will say viewing the photo that he appears to be older than 35 in that 1979 photo.

He was a Vietam Veteran or fall-out veteran. His tour dates are 69-70 - perhaps he was wounded and discharged. I may of course not have the records on the right Rackstraw.

There is also a Robert Wesley Rackstraw out of Nevada and owner of Stealth Constuction - a son is also listed with the company. If any of you guys live in the Reno area, you might want to check on this.

In my opinion Rackstraw could not be Cooper, but then I am also bias because of Duane's past and the many things he disclosed over the yrs.

I wouldn't completely rule out Rackstraw. Robert W. Rackstraw was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. Also, a helicopter pilot, Robert W. Rackstraw was in flight class 69-11, his tour dates were 69-70, he was in RVN Unit 11 GS 1 CAV (Pathfinders) & his call sign was Airborne Bob.

He would have been out of the military in 1971 & would have been familiar with flight/airborne operations and wilderness survival. May not be the same Rackstraw but I still wouldn't completely rule him out.


(This post was edited by jose9878 on Jan 4, 2008, 7:38 PM)


Ckret

Jan 4, 2008, 7:34 PM
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Thanks for you help, I look forward to what you come up with. It's been 36 years so there is no rush on your work.




stratostar  (Student)

Jan 5, 2008, 8:48 AM
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Quote:
"Mouse pumped real hard all the while looking for a marker. He leaped for joy - that ole man did him good - as the sunrises the hole was not far."

Jo with all do respect, I have told you in a number of our PM exchanges that by talking in riddles, that only you and maybe one or two other people might MAYBE understand, only makes you look like the nut case that many people think you are, yes even the FBI have you filed as a nutcase!

Who do you think your trying to reach by posting that crap? Some old fart who would know the key to the riddle your posting? Guess what their not on here reading that shit! Unless your only point is to poke at agent Ckrets to try to get him to listen to you or you think some other old fart on here would know what the hell your beating around the bushes about.

I have tried to be nice in telling you this. You don't seem to get it or care? YOU LOOK LIKE A FUCKING NUT CASE IN YOUR POSTS!

If I was the FBI I would blow you off too and not want to deal with your rambling on in riddles & hints to shit that no one knows what the fuck your talking about and the more you carry on in this manner the more 99.9% of people will only come to think, "there is old nut case rambling on again" and blow you off and not care to read what you have to say!

If you got proof or info you want people to take serious then you MUST stop with the talking in circles!

Minnie fucking mighty mouse, what are we trying to solve who knocked off Mickey or what? NO were talking who was DB Cooper here!


Ckret

Jan 5, 2008, 1:52 PM
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I am not trying to be a mod but I think we should do the best we can to keep things civil. Behind everyone of these post is a human being.


stratostar  (Student)

Jan 5, 2008, 2:15 PM
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I have been one of the few to defend and support Jo on here, and I still do to a point, hell I like her as a person, but enough is enough already. All she is doing is giving those who this whole time said she is nuts more reason to keep calling her that and blow off every post from her, kind of like the "girl who cried DB COOPER, DB COOPER!"

For christ sake you don't even reply to her and it's almost at the point I won't read her posts because I get dizzy going in circles. Why don't you use some of my tax dollars and fly her out there to your office and sit down with her already and hear her out and look at all her crap she says she has and put this shit to rest once and for all, so we can move on!


(This post was edited by stratostar on Jan 5, 2008, 2:20 PM)


Guru312  (C 6814)

Jan 5, 2008, 9:08 PM
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I am not trying to be a mod but I think we should do the best we can to keep things civil...

Comments such as those made by Stratostar--to which Ckret is responding--have been made regarding Skyjack71 since the fifth posted response in this thread, which Skyjack71 started, when DJL commented like this:

"Seriously guys, you're just being mean. Don't you have better things to do than pick on old ladies on the internet. Who cares if she's on a wild goose chase."

Jo has written...often!...that she isn't interested in any theory or speculation which doesn't have her ex-hubby in DB Cooper's shoes. Historically, she has, in my estimation, not taken kindly to folks, such as myself, who hold to a perspective different than her own.

I have been fascinated with DB since the afternoon that guys in my shop and myself--all jumpers and pilots--heard a news broadcast about his exploit and from which I got the inspiration for my hijacking advert.

Jo Weber chooses to ignore any thoughts or evidence which doesn't agree with her perspective, which is that a bullshitting con artist and ex-convict--who she married--was telling the truth for once in his life when he said he was the world famous hijacker DB Cooper.

Mrs. Weber fails to realize how many bar-fly-skydiver-wannabes use the line "I'm a skydiver and really cool; wanna go to bed with me?" for picking up chicks.

If a guy is going to use the very old "I'm a skydiver" line, he may as well go all the way with the bull crap and claim to be D B Cooper. That's what I'm convinced Duane Weber did with Jo.

While I understand Ckret's desire for civil dialog, I think that with him not being a jumper, he doesn't know that we jumpers call "Bullshit!" a whole lot sooner than those in the non-jumping wuffo public. I don't want to sound all philosophical here, but, after nearly 50 years of hanging around jumpers and pilots, I'm convinced that, overall, we jumpers are more honest, straight forward and "no bullshit" than the public in general.

From the traits that Jo has written about her husband, I don't think Duane meets the FBI profiler "got enough balls" requirement for jumping out of an airplane as a tandem passenger--let alone the balls to jump alone at night out of a 727 from ten grand into the cold and the rain.

The real DB Cooper lost his payload during opening shock. Jo Weber lost her objective perspective on reality when she fell in love with a con artist in a piano bar.


(This post was edited by Guru312 on Jan 5, 2008, 9:14 PM)


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