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mrGuy

Nov 22, 2006, 4:55 PM
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That was a rhetorical remark I made regarding the Moderators. Sorry you missed it. And actually, I believe I do have the right to be a "dick" as you put it. Just like everyone here has the right to be a "dick" about my post. Not that I'm calling any of you "dicks" of course.


However, I wasn't being a "dick." I was making a joke about a topic that seems to be sacred to many of you, regardless of the evidence. So Happy Thanksgiving.


Michele  (B 26874)

Nov 22, 2006, 5:22 PM
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WHERE ARE THE MODS?? It's ok to attack a REAL PERSON like me, but NOT ok to JOKE about an anonomous poster?? I see your true colors.
Does that mean you're leaving?

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Ciels-
Michele


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 22, 2006, 5:37 PM
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but NOT ok to JOKE about an anonomous poster??

First of all dimwit, it's Mrs. Duane Weber NOT an anonomous poster, as she has made very clear as to who she is and why she is here in more then one post.

And just how do you know 100% he died that nite, because some cash was found?
Let's see, he jumped out of a jet, more then enough blast on exit to lose some of the cash.
But with your whole one year in the sport I guess you already know this.

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Come around Jumptown sometime and introduce yourself.
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I think ,NOT!
But maybe you could post your grandmothers phone number so we call her up and be as rude as you, to her, my guess is you wouldn't care much for some talking that way to your grandmother if she was looking for info on you here.


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Nov 22, 2006, 7:45 PM
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This is a warning to pretty much everyone in this thread. Calling each other names does not fly in the fourms. If you want to help the original poster please do so. She has contacted a few people off the fourms and seems to have some info that might shed some light on this mystery. Please treat each other as you want to be treated in these fourms, breaking that rule will quickly find you in a time out Sly


mrGuy

Nov 22, 2006, 8:15 PM
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Understood


skyjack71

Nov 22, 2006, 10:29 PM
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This is a photo of duane weber from the Wikipedia article on D.B Cooper. The right picture is the FBI's drawing of D.B Cooper

Thank you for posting that photo. This was the one that I found early on in my search. The photos that I found later are the one that were not supposed to exist. I am axious to get them posted and get the feed back from those - and hope that someone shows them to an old timer who can help me.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Nov 22, 2006, 11:39 PM
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A few things I found awhile back.

http://home.earthlink.net/~quade/dbcooper.html

http://www.cnn.com/...db.cooper/index.html

http://www.npr.org/....php?storyId=1080901

Not that any of those actually is proof of anything, but are information for those unfamiliar with the details or are interested in hearing a bit more about it.


skyjack71

Nov 22, 2006, 11:42 PM
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I just made a long Post and then lost it all.
I suppose it is just as well. I had addressed a lot of the questions that many of you have, but now it is late and I just cannot do it over again. Tonight is the 35 th anniversary.

Think about these things:

The Vector that the FBI would later say was much farther South and East than the search zone.

A trip Duane took me on in 1979 to the area only months before the money was found at Frenchmans reef.

His not needing a map - and how well he knew the area and yet the FBI couldn't put him in WA at any time except for the time he spent in McNeil in the 40's - which I was able to prove with black and white documents along with the help of a reporter. The FBI had originally told me that Duane was never a resident of McNeil. They conceded only upon finding that I had documents to the contrary.

I composed what I thought was my best description of the "Sentimental Journey" that he took me on in 1979 and then lost the whole thing. This is a bad omen.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Nov 22, 2006, 11:55 PM
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Just curious, why does it matter?

By "proving" he was D.B. Cooper one of life's little mysteries goes out the window and a man that is for some a folk hero is taken from mythical proportions to that of a common mortal.

Isn't it actually "better" if it's never proven either way? The story never ends and the legend continues.


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sartre

Nov 23, 2006, 6:04 AM
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It matters because she was married to this man. If you were in the same shoes, wouldn't it be difficult for you to just 'let it rest'?
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CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 23, 2006, 6:34 AM
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It matters because of all the people that said he could not have done it and survived.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 6:45 AM
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Just curious, why does it matter?

By "proving" he was D.B. Cooper one of life's little mysteries goes out the window and a man that is for some a folk hero is taken from mythical proportions to that of a common mortal.

Isn't it actually "better" if it's never proven either way? The story never ends and the legend continues.


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Maybe I can offer an answer, not trying to put words in Jo's mouth but she & I have been corresponding and I think I may understand somewhat.


Imagine being married to someone that you 'thought' you knew and were close to, living a 'normal' life....then your mate takes ill and passes. Suddenly you are basically blindsided by the realization that you've ( quite possibly and ) unknowingly shared your life with a 'folk hero' the likes of a Jesse James.

You begin doing some basic research to find out just how much of, that part of, YOUR LIFE may have been a lie, the deeper you dig the more you come to understand that pretty much your entire life, for that period of time anyway....

...could have been a sham, or at least not what you were led to believe, by the person you most trusted.

Wouldn't you too want to know the TRUTH about YOUR life?

The D.B. Cooper that WE turned into a folklore anti-hero may have been the guy this woman gave her heart to under false pretences. Jo Weber didn't even know who D.B. Cooper WAS when her husband claimed to be him...If anyone has a interest in knowing the truth...SHE DOES.




To address some of the rather distasteful comments directed toward Jo~

She came to 'us' for some possible help and insight...she's not an Internet 'troll' trying to scam you out of your precious post whoring, she didn't even know WHERE on this site to ask and get the most response until I discussed it with her.

Check her posts...She's asking for our help...
not money, not 'attention', she's not even 'stirring the pot' by negatively addressing those who insult her.

Just asking if anyone is on here from 'back in the day' that may have come across someone answering to one of the many aliases she discovered her husband was using.

A simple plea for assistance with information, something we in the 'Skydiving Family' should be at least somewhat as curious about, as she is...

For some reason there are those in our 'family' that think it fit & proper to insult and degrade in an attempt to discredit a woman who only asked our help in seeking the truth.

I told Jo... 'It wouldn't hurt' to start a thread in the Bonfire since that seems to be the forum frequented most...

Guess I was wrong because it did hurt...it gave 'Our Family' a bit of a black eye in regard to how some of us, treat people that come here for help.Unsure


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piisfish

Nov 23, 2006, 6:53 AM
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I see your true colors.
and that's why I loooove you Tongue


Michele  (B 26874)

Nov 23, 2006, 7:03 AM
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and that's why I loooove you
So don't be afraid, to let them show...Cool

'Twardo, some people are here to help if they can, and are curious to see what transpires if they can't help. I think it's great that you've been doing your best to help Jo out. You're right - she's asking for nothing other than didja know this guy. Not money, not fame, not anything other than help that only a few can give.

I'd be very interested to know, as well. Howeve, I disagree with your statement that her life was a lie. Her life wasn't. She loved true, and she didn't lie about that. Whom she loved was whom she loved. If he hid things from her, that's his issue...and does not reflect on her. Yes, of course I understand the curiousity; as an adopted child, I had to seek and find my birth family. I know that sort of driving curiousity. But it doesn't mean anything that Jo felt/feels for the man she loved was a lie - from her. perhaps from him, but not from her.

Not saying you said that, just wanted to reach out to Jo and let her know what I thought - love, honest love, is never a lie.

Ciels-
Michele


mdrejhon  (C 3268)

Nov 23, 2006, 7:14 AM
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I just made a long Post and then lost it all.
I suppose it is just as well. I had addressed a lot of the questions that many of you have, but now it is late and I just cannot do it over again. Tonight is the 35 th anniversary.
A suggestion;

In the future, you may wish to make your long posts within Microsoft Word, or WordPerfect, or another word processor with an auto-save feature. Then you can Copy-and-Paste into Dropzone.com. It is a good idea when writing long posts that take more than one hour.

P.S. I am in agreement with airtwardo here. Many of the earlier posts look very authentic, if someone reads every single post listed within http://tinyurl.com/yyahml ... I am anxious to see these photos and hope you are corresponding with someone helpful such as airtwardo to actually get them posted. More people needs to give you the benefit of doubt, as I have been following this story more closely than many of the other dropzone.com members who didn't read all of her earlier posts in all of the separate threads that lead credence to giving courteous and polite non-sarcastic benefit of doubt to this person.


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GrabGrass  (D 666999)

Nov 23, 2006, 7:41 AM
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It matters because of all the people that said he could not have done it and survived.


Yeah...the ones who's KIDS probably now jump the jet at WFFC!WinkSly


Amazon  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 8:31 AM
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Personally... I think he could have done it and survived....

I started jumping that kind of gear all those long years ago.....and have hundreds of round jumps..

I have hunted all over that area.... and know it well...and tree landings are not all tha hard to do....been thereCrazy

Jumping a jet... HELL there are a bunch of people who have done it and..... OMG... survived.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 9:12 AM
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Personally... I think he could have done it and survived....

I started jumping that kind of gear all those long years ago.....and have hundreds of round jumps..

I have hunted all over that area.... and know it well...and tree landings are not all tha hard to do....been thereCrazy

Jumping a jet... HELL there are a bunch of people who have done it and..... OMG... survived.


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Very interesting!

Now if I can just keep you on the line until a field agent can get there.....Tongue


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 23, 2006, 11:23 AM
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I've been following Jo's story since last year when it was first publicized and can only imagine what she's going through . . .

I started jumping a few years after the incident occurred, but even in 1975, few nights around the bonfire passed without some mention of who DB Cooper really was. The central point of discussion, at the time, was if DB Cooper was an experienced jumper or not?

It would seem pretty crazy (to us jumpers) to plan the whole thing and leave the "getaway" to such chance without some prior experience. But then again we know people who don't jump think what's the big deal? You jump, you pull the thing, and you land.

But, there are several things that dont make sense and I could be wrong but I always figured an experienced jumper would have carried a personal rig onboard, rather than request the two (or three) parachutes, like he did along with the ransom money. The point of asking for more than one parachute made sense, as there would be the chance he forced one or more of the remaining crew members to jump also, and this would preclude sabotaging the rigs in any way.

There was also enough time between the takeoff, with the money and rigs, and the jump, that he could have opened a rig and did a quick I&R before jumping.

Everyone at the time had their personal theory on who DB Cooper was. My guess was a certain local gear manufacturer in Lake Elsinore who was the right age and looked a bit like the description and the sketch . . .

Another idea floated was there was no DB Cooper at all. The whole thing was a story offered up by the flight deck and cabin crew who threw the empty rigs out the back and kept the money for themselves. This is somewhat plausible as, I believe, not one of the released passengers said they ever saw the guy.

On the other side, the practical side, we see that even today, local authorities - all the way up to the FBI dont know butkus about parachutes and jumping. So we don't really know how much information that exists is even credible. They probably weren't even asking the right questions.

As for the small amount of the money found, yep, I would have scattered some of it too. DB Cooper probably figured the authorities would first conclude such a jump was impossible and this played into that theory.

However, the WX was so bad in the area of the jump; an experienced jumper would have probably avoided that and picked another flight.

In any case, Jo deserves to know if the man she lived a life with was something other than what she thought he was . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 11:30 AM
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and I could be wrong but I always figured an experienced jumper would have carried a personal rig onboard, rather than request the two (or three) parachutes, like he did along with the ransom money.

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He couldn't...he had the 'bomb' as a carry on and skydiving was 'conventional' gear back then...

...you know what a problem it is, to try to smuggle that THIRD carry on bag ! Wink


adobelover  (C License)

Nov 23, 2006, 11:32 AM
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Dear Mr. DeWitte:
Nothing speaks to a person's character or lack thereof more than the criticism he or she chooses to inflict on others. Your cruel, unwarranted personal attack against a woman whose only crime is trying to find out more about the man she loved suggests that you, Mr. DeWitte, suffer from a serious lack of character. That you not only criticized her objective but also felt it necessary to question her motivation and make disparaging inferences about her lifestyle suggests you not only suffer from a serious lack of character but are also embarrassingly deficient in basic maturity. I think I speak for just about everyone hear in asking that you not only refrain from making further posts on dropzone.com but also find a new sport and/or hobby, so as not to further taint the image of skydiving with your presence.

Sincerely,
W. Scott "Douva" Lewis
I don't think I could have said this any better! Thank You Douva Laugh

I love a good mystery...let's see some photos.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Nov 23, 2006, 12:21 PM
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It matters because she was married to this man. If you were in the same shoes, wouldn't it be difficult for you to just 'let it rest'?
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Ever see the movie "Big Fish"?

I guess what I'm saying is that no matter how much Jo Weber attempts to prove he was D.B Cooper, the fact remains that it will be impossible to prove it one way or the other.

There will always be a large question of doubt in a large portion of the population that will question whether or not the deathbed confession ever actually even took place, and Ms. Weber, please don't take that as an insult from me but simply as a fact of human behavior.

People will always ask questions like; "Ms. Weber, is there anyone else that heard the confession? Did Mr. Weber point you to any actual evidence? If Mr. Weber was D.B Cooper, what ever became of the money?"

We live in extremely skeptical times. Rather than fall prey to the skepticism of this, I would actually rather never know.

I dunno, I'd have a hard time "proving" what I had for lunch yesterday. Proving what somebody else, even my spouce, did 35 years ago; I don't think that would be possible.


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Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 23, 2006, 8:03 PM
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I read this thread a few hours ago and decided to search through my memorabilia files for an advertisement I placed in a Philadelphia newspaper a day or so after the hijacking.

I created a web page with a short essay and a picture of the advert that I hope makes everyone chuckle...including Mrs. Weber.

I'd never be able to place something like this in today's paranoid times. The ad reads "Parachute lessons for Hijacking and other fun"

See it here: http://berniesayers.com/I_am_not_DB_Cooper.htm

I'm going to go watch the movie "The Pursuit of D. B. Cooper."


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 10:36 PM
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Bernie....I like your STYLE! Cool


skyjack71

Nov 23, 2006, 11:45 PM
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THANK YOU:

TO THOSE WHO DEFENDED MY POSITION - THERE WERE SO MANY I CHOSE TO MAKE THIS VERY GENERIC AND ADDRESSED TO NO ONE SPECIFICALLY.

I HAVE LEARNED MORE FROM THIS FORUM THAN ANY PLACE I HAVE BEEN - INFORMATION SENT TO ME IN PRIVATE EMAILS AND ONLINE.

IT IS ALSO INTERESTING TO READ THE VIEWS OF SO MANY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS ALL OF WHOM ARE SKYDIVERS OR ASPIRE TO BE.

REMEMBER THE TALES OF LONG AGO - STORIES RELATED ONLY BY THE SPOKEN WORD. SINCE THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE TOLD IN MY LIFE TIME, I WILL TRY TO RELATE TO THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

JO WEBER


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