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skyjack71

Nov 21, 2006, 9:40 PM
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It has been thirty five yrs since Cooper took his flight out of Portland to Seattle. Departing from Seattle he jumped with a $200 K ransom.

I am the widow of a man who claimed that he was Cooper 11 days before he died in 1995. I have been researching his past for 11 yrs now and I need the help of this forum to uncover his jump history.

So far I have done everything for the FBI except put him in a parachute. The help of those who read this forum will be appreciated.

I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it. All I want is to find information about sky jumping and any information I might be able to find about Duane Lorin Weber and any of his AKA's.

If anyone is interested I will post photos of him on the forum from different areas of his life in hopes that someone knows an old timer who might recognize him. The old timers usually don't use computers so it will help me immensely if you guys would print the photos and take them to your meetings or anyplace that these old timers might be found. Perhaps there is a magazine for jumpers that might run some of the photos.

Please help me in my search and once and for all to bury Cooper.

Respectfully,

Jo Weber, Widow of Duane L. Weber aka Dan Cooper as he told me, plus the many aliases that he is known to have used.


Zing  (D 6343)

Nov 21, 2006, 9:58 PM
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Please ... do post the photos of the fellow. A picture is worth a thousand words, and, as one of those old farts who's memory is better at faces than names ... pictures would be a great help.
Denny (Bear) Gaynor, recently passed away, but back in the early ninties, I used to sit and chat with him between flying loads. Bear always said he knew who really was D. B. Cooper, but would not reveal the identity until all involved were dead.


jtval  (D 26340)

Nov 21, 2006, 9:59 PM
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didnt you post this last week?


skyjack71

Nov 21, 2006, 11:02 PM
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I started this thread tonight, because I thought it should get its own slot. I kept getting lost trying to find the places that I had posted to.

Due to illness I have not been able to get to the repair place that was going to extract my photos from my old computer - I am just not up to scanning them again and doing all of the work over that I had already done. Within a couple of wks I hope to be able to put them on the site.


mrGuy

Nov 22, 2006, 1:04 AM
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A photo of the bear that licked his remains clean in the woods might be of some help.

Seriously, this is just stupid. The guy who jumped in that storm, died in the woods, and parts of his stolen loot was recovered many years later in the mud.

If in fact you're serious...(stranger things have happened)...the guy you were married to just liked to tell stories. Some folks just aren't satisfied with an occasional appearence on "COPS", and need more exposure to enjoy life. So my advice is to concentrate on getting that roof fixed on the mobile home, setting up your blinking, multi-colored manger scene for christmas, and toasting his memory by drinking another fifth of Jack. Smile


akarunway  (A 143885)

Nov 22, 2006, 2:49 AM
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In reply to:
A photo of the bear that licked his remains clean in the woods might be of some help.

Seriously, this is just stupid. The guy who jumped in that storm, died in the woods, and parts of his stolen loot was recovered many years later in the mud.

If in fact you're serious...(stranger things have happened)...the guy you were married to just liked to tell stories. Some folks just aren't satisfied with an occasional appearence on "COPS", and need more exposure to enjoy life. So my advice is to concentrate on getting that roof fixed on the mobile home, setting up your blinking, multi-colored manger scene for christmas, and toasting his memory by drinking another fifth of Jack. Smile
Hey. Let me tell you some of my SEAL stories. Alas. I have to go dig up pics. I think (know) the CIA stole them. I'm sure D. Cheney and Bush and Co. were involved too!. Bastrds


DJL  (D License)

Nov 22, 2006, 4:43 AM
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Seriously guys, you're just being mean. Don't you have better things to do than pick on old ladies on the internet. Who cares if she's on a wild goose chase.


tsalnukt

Nov 22, 2006, 5:45 AM
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You guys really suck.....whether this is a real thing or not...how the ?$#! do you know. She's not asking for money and she's not asking you to step away from your computer to put on hip waders and go trekking through the woods looking for some dead guy you may or may not find. I believe all she wants is ANYONE that MAY know ANYTHING to help her out and look at some photo's. That doesn't sound very difficult. How would you like it if you were trying to find out SOMETHING about WHATEVER and you went to the LARGEST source there is to find out ANY kind of information and some jerks told you to go sh....t in a hat. I'll help the lady. You idiots should grow up


sartre

Nov 22, 2006, 5:58 AM
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So my advice is to concentrate on getting that roof fixed on the mobile home, setting up your blinking, multi-colored manger scene for christmas, and toasting his memory by drinking another fifth of Jack.



So she's trailer trash because she's trying to follow up on claims her dead husband made prior to passing away?

There's no reason to be an ass. If you have nothing constructive to contribute, why don't you just show some class and and say nothing?Unsure


Michele  (B 26874)

Nov 22, 2006, 6:10 AM
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MrGuy, you're outta line. Akarunway, I think you're pretty close, too.

Someone is asking for help. If you have no ideas or suggestions to offer, perhaps not posting to her threat would've been a really, really good idea. To refrain from making assumtions about lifetstyle, judgments about same, and especially to base it on absolutely NO information shows your disdain and contempt for someone you don't even know.

I certainly hope you are not ever in a position to ask for information from strangers. If perhaps you are, I most certainly hope your needs are met with far greater respect and helpfulness than you two have shown.

(Akarunway, you have shown me sympathy and offered me help in the past...I'd like to think you would extend the same sort of courtesy and hand of friendship to someone else, too.)

Ciels-
Michele


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 22, 2006, 6:21 AM
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Unfortunately you are seeing more and more people act like this on the forum.Someone started a thread about it recently.I just don't get it.If you don't want to or can't help someone why not just go on to the next thread or to the Speakers Corner if you need to be an ass.


jtval  (D 26340)

Nov 22, 2006, 6:50 AM
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In reply to:
I started this thread tonight, because I thought it should get its own slot. I kept getting lost trying to find the places that I had posted to.

Oh,
ok than.

i though i saw this before just wasn't sure why you didn't post to the other post. Now I know...and knowing is half the battle.Laugh (sorry for the G.I. joe reference)


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Nov 22, 2006, 7:09 AM
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Spence I agree.

To everyone else... knock it off and let her post the pictures if she has them. If you can't contribute to the conversation then don't post to that thread. There are lots of other threads out there that you can post to that will let you see your name beside a post. Tongue


Douva  (D 22772)

Nov 22, 2006, 8:43 AM
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In reply to:
A photo of the bear that licked his remains clean in the woods might be of some help.

Seriously, this is just stupid. The guy who jumped in that storm, died in the woods, and parts of his stolen loot was recovered many years later in the mud.

If in fact you're serious...(stranger things have happened)...the guy you were married to just liked to tell stories. Some folks just aren't satisfied with an occasional appearence on "COPS", and need more exposure to enjoy life. So my advice is to concentrate on getting that roof fixed on the mobile home, setting up your blinking, multi-colored manger scene for christmas, and toasting his memory by drinking another fifth of Jack. Smile

Dear Mr. DeWitte:

Nothing speaks to a person's character or lack thereof more than the criticism he or she chooses to inflict on others. Your cruel, unwarranted personal attack against a woman whose only crime is trying to find out more about the man she loved suggests that you, Mr. DeWitte, suffer from a serious lack of character. That you not only criticized her objective but also felt it necessary to question her motivation and make disparaging inferences about her lifestyle suggests you not only suffer from a serious lack of character but are also embarrassingly deficient in basic maturity. I think I speak for just about everyone hear in asking that you not only refrain from making further posts on dropzone.com but also find a new sport and/or hobby, so as not to further taint the image of skydiving with your presence.

Sincerely,

W. Scott "Douva" Lewis


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Nov 22, 2006, 9:04 AM
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Y'all are bringing a tear to my eye. Smile


mamajumps  (A License)

Nov 22, 2006, 9:09 AM
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Thanks guys & ladies for standing up for the lady who is only looking for possible info. I know if I was in her shoes, and my late husband had dhared something that significant with me, I would chase the ends of the world trying to prove or disprove it. I hope she finds the answers she's looking for.Smile


Skyrad  (B License)

Nov 22, 2006, 9:13 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
A photo of the bear that licked his remains clean in the woods might be of some help.

Seriously, this is just stupid. The guy who jumped in that storm, died in the woods, and parts of his stolen loot was recovered many years later in the mud.

If in fact you're serious...(stranger things have happened)...the guy you were married to just liked to tell stories. Some folks just aren't satisfied with an occasional appearence on "COPS", and need more exposure to enjoy life. So my advice is to concentrate on getting that roof fixed on the mobile home, setting up your blinking, multi-colored manger scene for christmas, and toasting his memory by drinking another fifth of Jack. Smile

Dear Mr. DeWitte:

Nothing speaks to a person's character or lack thereof more than the criticism he or she chooses to inflict on others. Your cruel, unwarranted personal attack against a woman whose only crime is trying to find out more about the man she loved suggests that you, Mr. DeWitte, suffer from a serious lack of character. That you not only criticized her objective but also felt it necessary to question her motivation and make disparaging inferences about her lifestyle suggests you not only suffer from a serious lack of character but are also embarrassingly deficient in basic maturity. I think I speak for just about everyone hear in asking that you not only refrain from making further posts on dropzone.com but also find a new sport and/or hobby, so as not to further taint the image of skydiving with your presence.

Sincerely,

W. Scott "Douva" Lewis

Well said


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 22, 2006, 12:40 PM
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Thanks guys & ladies for standing up for the lady who is only looking for possible info. I know if I was in her shoes, and my late husband had dhared something that significant with me, I would chase the ends of the world trying to find the money. I hope she finds the answers she's looking for.Smile


There I fixed it for you.Laugh


livetofall  (C 33795)

Nov 22, 2006, 1:07 PM
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Mr. Guy, if you have been around skydiving enough (if you even do as is some cases on these boards) you would know that Parachutist magazine had quite an article on him about a year ago or so. Its figured he might have actually landed somewhere by White Salmon, I believe. I can speak for personal experience he could of even had a bad fall at end and been fine. 2 yrs ago I hit the last tree branches(stopping forward flight) in high winds at Crosstrees..oops Crosskeys (damn rotors) and fell 40 feet onto knees. I got away with a compressed L-1 vertabrae, and only had to wear a corset(backbrace). Back to work(construction) in 10 weeks. Fact is it rains ALOT here, and ground could have been very soft. Maybe he made it, maybe he didn't, but he's still our Bigfoot, so quit pissing on our parade.

I havent been around but 5 yrs, but this could get very interestingSmile


mdrejhon  (C 3268)

Nov 22, 2006, 1:14 PM
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skyjack71:

Here's a link to make it easier to find all the posts you have made:

http://tinyurl.com/yyahml

This automatically does a search for all of your posts, starting with your most recent. It should make it easier to keep track of your own posts.

I am impressed at your researching and am respectfully watching this exciting story from the sidelines with an open mind, without interfering. I am just a relative "newbie" who literally born after D.B. Cooper started jumping.


Zing  (D 6343)

Nov 22, 2006, 2:26 PM
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Thanks for so eloquently saying what needed to be said.


Consider for just a moment, what if he really was the guy? Even if it doesn't solve the mystery, it certainly will add to the mystique.


jheadley  (D 28710)

Nov 22, 2006, 2:27 PM
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This is a photo of duane weber from the Wikipedia article on D.B Cooper. The right picture is the FBI's drawing of D.B Cooper
Attachments: Duane_Weber.gif (21.4 KB)


Ashtanga

Nov 22, 2006, 2:29 PM
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It looks like a relative of Frenchy. Unimpressed


mrGuy

Nov 22, 2006, 4:30 PM
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HOLY CRAP.

Are you guys for real?? Unbelievable.

I'm gonna contact those people in Nigeria....they'll be happy to know that the Gullible Pool has been filled to overflowing.


Dragging MY NAME through the mud?

WHERE ARE THE MODS?? It's ok to attack a REAL PERSON like me, but NOT ok to JOKE about an anonomous poster?? I see your true colors.

I haven't once been pissed about any stupid ass thing I've read on here...but this is too much. You guys make the most disgusting comments/remarks/comentary ever typed online...and you have the nerve to question my character. Too fuckin rich. Bunch of babies. Come around Jumptown sometime and introduce yourself. I'll be the one who excuses himself in search of better company.


(This post was edited by mrGuy on Nov 22, 2006, 4:44 PM)


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 22, 2006, 4:45 PM
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I think two of the Mods have been here and pretty much agreed with the rest of us.Weather something is true or not does not give anyone the right to be a dick.Not saying that you are a dick because that would be a PA and everyone knows I don't do that.Have a nice day.Maybe you would like the Speakers Corner.


mrGuy

Nov 22, 2006, 4:55 PM
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That was a rhetorical remark I made regarding the Moderators. Sorry you missed it. And actually, I believe I do have the right to be a "dick" as you put it. Just like everyone here has the right to be a "dick" about my post. Not that I'm calling any of you "dicks" of course.


However, I wasn't being a "dick." I was making a joke about a topic that seems to be sacred to many of you, regardless of the evidence. So Happy Thanksgiving.


Michele  (B 26874)

Nov 22, 2006, 5:22 PM
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WHERE ARE THE MODS?? It's ok to attack a REAL PERSON like me, but NOT ok to JOKE about an anonomous poster?? I see your true colors.
Does that mean you're leaving?

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Ciels-
Michele


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 22, 2006, 5:37 PM
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but NOT ok to JOKE about an anonomous poster??

First of all dimwit, it's Mrs. Duane Weber NOT an anonomous poster, as she has made very clear as to who she is and why she is here in more then one post.

And just how do you know 100% he died that nite, because some cash was found?
Let's see, he jumped out of a jet, more then enough blast on exit to lose some of the cash.
But with your whole one year in the sport I guess you already know this.

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Come around Jumptown sometime and introduce yourself.
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I think ,NOT!
But maybe you could post your grandmothers phone number so we call her up and be as rude as you, to her, my guess is you wouldn't care much for some talking that way to your grandmother if she was looking for info on you here.


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Nov 22, 2006, 7:45 PM
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This is a warning to pretty much everyone in this thread. Calling each other names does not fly in the fourms. If you want to help the original poster please do so. She has contacted a few people off the fourms and seems to have some info that might shed some light on this mystery. Please treat each other as you want to be treated in these fourms, breaking that rule will quickly find you in a time out Sly


mrGuy

Nov 22, 2006, 8:15 PM
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Understood


skyjack71

Nov 22, 2006, 10:29 PM
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In reply to:
This is a photo of duane weber from the Wikipedia article on D.B Cooper. The right picture is the FBI's drawing of D.B Cooper

Thank you for posting that photo. This was the one that I found early on in my search. The photos that I found later are the one that were not supposed to exist. I am axious to get them posted and get the feed back from those - and hope that someone shows them to an old timer who can help me.


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Nov 22, 2006, 11:39 PM
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A few things I found awhile back.

http://home.earthlink.net/~quade/dbcooper.html

http://www.cnn.com/...db.cooper/index.html

http://www.npr.org/....php?storyId=1080901

Not that any of those actually is proof of anything, but are information for those unfamiliar with the details or are interested in hearing a bit more about it.


skyjack71

Nov 22, 2006, 11:42 PM
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I just made a long Post and then lost it all.
I suppose it is just as well. I had addressed a lot of the questions that many of you have, but now it is late and I just cannot do it over again. Tonight is the 35 th anniversary.

Think about these things:

The Vector that the FBI would later say was much farther South and East than the search zone.

A trip Duane took me on in 1979 to the area only months before the money was found at Frenchmans reef.

His not needing a map - and how well he knew the area and yet the FBI couldn't put him in WA at any time except for the time he spent in McNeil in the 40's - which I was able to prove with black and white documents along with the help of a reporter. The FBI had originally told me that Duane was never a resident of McNeil. They conceded only upon finding that I had documents to the contrary.

I composed what I thought was my best description of the "Sentimental Journey" that he took me on in 1979 and then lost the whole thing. This is a bad omen.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Nov 22, 2006, 11:55 PM
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Just curious, why does it matter?

By "proving" he was D.B. Cooper one of life's little mysteries goes out the window and a man that is for some a folk hero is taken from mythical proportions to that of a common mortal.

Isn't it actually "better" if it's never proven either way? The story never ends and the legend continues.


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sartre

Nov 23, 2006, 6:04 AM
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It matters because she was married to this man. If you were in the same shoes, wouldn't it be difficult for you to just 'let it rest'?
Smile


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Nov 23, 2006, 6:34 AM
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It matters because of all the people that said he could not have done it and survived.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 6:45 AM
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Just curious, why does it matter?

By "proving" he was D.B. Cooper one of life's little mysteries goes out the window and a man that is for some a folk hero is taken from mythical proportions to that of a common mortal.

Isn't it actually "better" if it's never proven either way? The story never ends and the legend continues.


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Maybe I can offer an answer, not trying to put words in Jo's mouth but she & I have been corresponding and I think I may understand somewhat.


Imagine being married to someone that you 'thought' you knew and were close to, living a 'normal' life....then your mate takes ill and passes. Suddenly you are basically blindsided by the realization that you've ( quite possibly and ) unknowingly shared your life with a 'folk hero' the likes of a Jesse James.

You begin doing some basic research to find out just how much of, that part of, YOUR LIFE may have been a lie, the deeper you dig the more you come to understand that pretty much your entire life, for that period of time anyway....

...could have been a sham, or at least not what you were led to believe, by the person you most trusted.

Wouldn't you too want to know the TRUTH about YOUR life?

The D.B. Cooper that WE turned into a folklore anti-hero may have been the guy this woman gave her heart to under false pretences. Jo Weber didn't even know who D.B. Cooper WAS when her husband claimed to be him...If anyone has a interest in knowing the truth...SHE DOES.




To address some of the rather distasteful comments directed toward Jo~

She came to 'us' for some possible help and insight...she's not an Internet 'troll' trying to scam you out of your precious post whoring, she didn't even know WHERE on this site to ask and get the most response until I discussed it with her.

Check her posts...She's asking for our help...
not money, not 'attention', she's not even 'stirring the pot' by negatively addressing those who insult her.

Just asking if anyone is on here from 'back in the day' that may have come across someone answering to one of the many aliases she discovered her husband was using.

A simple plea for assistance with information, something we in the 'Skydiving Family' should be at least somewhat as curious about, as she is...

For some reason there are those in our 'family' that think it fit & proper to insult and degrade in an attempt to discredit a woman who only asked our help in seeking the truth.

I told Jo... 'It wouldn't hurt' to start a thread in the Bonfire since that seems to be the forum frequented most...

Guess I was wrong because it did hurt...it gave 'Our Family' a bit of a black eye in regard to how some of us, treat people that come here for help.Unsure


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piisfish

Nov 23, 2006, 6:53 AM
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In reply to:
I see your true colors.
and that's why I loooove you Tongue


Michele  (B 26874)

Nov 23, 2006, 7:03 AM
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and that's why I loooove you
So don't be afraid, to let them show...Cool

'Twardo, some people are here to help if they can, and are curious to see what transpires if they can't help. I think it's great that you've been doing your best to help Jo out. You're right - she's asking for nothing other than didja know this guy. Not money, not fame, not anything other than help that only a few can give.

I'd be very interested to know, as well. Howeve, I disagree with your statement that her life was a lie. Her life wasn't. She loved true, and she didn't lie about that. Whom she loved was whom she loved. If he hid things from her, that's his issue...and does not reflect on her. Yes, of course I understand the curiousity; as an adopted child, I had to seek and find my birth family. I know that sort of driving curiousity. But it doesn't mean anything that Jo felt/feels for the man she loved was a lie - from her. perhaps from him, but not from her.

Not saying you said that, just wanted to reach out to Jo and let her know what I thought - love, honest love, is never a lie.

Ciels-
Michele


mdrejhon  (C 3268)

Nov 23, 2006, 7:14 AM
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I just made a long Post and then lost it all.
I suppose it is just as well. I had addressed a lot of the questions that many of you have, but now it is late and I just cannot do it over again. Tonight is the 35 th anniversary.
A suggestion;

In the future, you may wish to make your long posts within Microsoft Word, or WordPerfect, or another word processor with an auto-save feature. Then you can Copy-and-Paste into Dropzone.com. It is a good idea when writing long posts that take more than one hour.

P.S. I am in agreement with airtwardo here. Many of the earlier posts look very authentic, if someone reads every single post listed within http://tinyurl.com/yyahml ... I am anxious to see these photos and hope you are corresponding with someone helpful such as airtwardo to actually get them posted. More people needs to give you the benefit of doubt, as I have been following this story more closely than many of the other dropzone.com members who didn't read all of her earlier posts in all of the separate threads that lead credence to giving courteous and polite non-sarcastic benefit of doubt to this person.


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GrabGrass  (D 666999)

Nov 23, 2006, 7:41 AM
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It matters because of all the people that said he could not have done it and survived.


Yeah...the ones who's KIDS probably now jump the jet at WFFC!WinkSly


Amazon  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 8:31 AM
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Personally... I think he could have done it and survived....

I started jumping that kind of gear all those long years ago.....and have hundreds of round jumps..

I have hunted all over that area.... and know it well...and tree landings are not all tha hard to do....been thereCrazy

Jumping a jet... HELL there are a bunch of people who have done it and..... OMG... survived.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 9:12 AM
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Personally... I think he could have done it and survived....

I started jumping that kind of gear all those long years ago.....and have hundreds of round jumps..

I have hunted all over that area.... and know it well...and tree landings are not all tha hard to do....been thereCrazy

Jumping a jet... HELL there are a bunch of people who have done it and..... OMG... survived.


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Very interesting!

Now if I can just keep you on the line until a field agent can get there.....Tongue


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 23, 2006, 11:23 AM
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I've been following Jo's story since last year when it was first publicized and can only imagine what she's going through . . .

I started jumping a few years after the incident occurred, but even in 1975, few nights around the bonfire passed without some mention of who DB Cooper really was. The central point of discussion, at the time, was if DB Cooper was an experienced jumper or not?

It would seem pretty crazy (to us jumpers) to plan the whole thing and leave the "getaway" to such chance without some prior experience. But then again we know people who don't jump think what's the big deal? You jump, you pull the thing, and you land.

But, there are several things that don’t make sense – and I could be wrong – but I always figured an experienced jumper would have carried a personal rig onboard, rather than request the two (or three) parachutes, like he did along with the ransom money. The point of asking for more than one parachute made sense, as there would be the chance he forced one or more of the remaining crew members to jump also, and this would preclude sabotaging the rigs in any way.

There was also enough time between the takeoff, with the money and rigs, and the jump, that he could have opened a rig and did a quick I&R before jumping.

Everyone at the time had their personal theory on who DB Cooper was. My guess was a certain local gear manufacturer in Lake Elsinore who was the right age and looked a bit like the description and the sketch . . .

Another idea floated was there was no DB Cooper at all. The whole thing was a story offered up by the flight deck and cabin crew who threw the empty rigs out the back and kept the money for themselves. This is somewhat plausible as, I believe, not one of the released passengers said they ever saw the guy.

On the other side, the practical side, we see that even today, local authorities - all the way up to the FBI – don’t know butkus about parachutes and jumping. So we don't really know how much information that exists is even credible. They probably weren't even asking the right questions.

As for the small amount of the money found, yep, I would have scattered some of it too. DB Cooper probably figured the authorities would first conclude such a jump was impossible and this played into that theory.

However, the WX was so bad in the area of the jump; an experienced jumper would have probably avoided that and picked another flight.

In any case, Jo deserves to know if the man she lived a life with was something other than what she thought he was . . .

NickD Smile
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airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 11:30 AM
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and I could be wrong – but I always figured an experienced jumper would have carried a personal rig onboard, rather than request the two (or three) parachutes, like he did along with the ransom money.

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He couldn't...he had the 'bomb' as a carry on and skydiving was 'conventional' gear back then...

...you know what a problem it is, to try to smuggle that THIRD carry on bag ! Wink


adobelover  (C License)

Nov 23, 2006, 11:32 AM
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Dear Mr. DeWitte:
Nothing speaks to a person's character or lack thereof more than the criticism he or she chooses to inflict on others. Your cruel, unwarranted personal attack against a woman whose only crime is trying to find out more about the man she loved suggests that you, Mr. DeWitte, suffer from a serious lack of character. That you not only criticized her objective but also felt it necessary to question her motivation and make disparaging inferences about her lifestyle suggests you not only suffer from a serious lack of character but are also embarrassingly deficient in basic maturity. I think I speak for just about everyone hear in asking that you not only refrain from making further posts on dropzone.com but also find a new sport and/or hobby, so as not to further taint the image of skydiving with your presence.

Sincerely,
W. Scott "Douva" Lewis
I don't think I could have said this any better! Thank You Douva Laugh

I love a good mystery...let's see some photos.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Nov 23, 2006, 12:21 PM
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It matters because she was married to this man. If you were in the same shoes, wouldn't it be difficult for you to just 'let it rest'?
Smile

Ever see the movie "Big Fish"?

I guess what I'm saying is that no matter how much Jo Weber attempts to prove he was D.B Cooper, the fact remains that it will be impossible to prove it one way or the other.

There will always be a large question of doubt in a large portion of the population that will question whether or not the deathbed confession ever actually even took place, and Ms. Weber, please don't take that as an insult from me but simply as a fact of human behavior.

People will always ask questions like; "Ms. Weber, is there anyone else that heard the confession? Did Mr. Weber point you to any actual evidence? If Mr. Weber was D.B Cooper, what ever became of the money?"

We live in extremely skeptical times. Rather than fall prey to the skepticism of this, I would actually rather never know.

I dunno, I'd have a hard time "proving" what I had for lunch yesterday. Proving what somebody else, even my spouce, did 35 years ago; I don't think that would be possible.


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Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 23, 2006, 8:03 PM
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I read this thread a few hours ago and decided to search through my memorabilia files for an advertisement I placed in a Philadelphia newspaper a day or so after the hijacking.

I created a web page with a short essay and a picture of the advert that I hope makes everyone chuckle...including Mrs. Weber.

I'd never be able to place something like this in today's paranoid times. The ad reads "Parachute lessons for Hijacking and other fun"

See it here: http://berniesayers.com/I_am_not_DB_Cooper.htm

I'm going to go watch the movie "The Pursuit of D. B. Cooper."


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 23, 2006, 10:36 PM
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Bernie....I like your STYLE! Cool


skyjack71

Nov 23, 2006, 11:45 PM
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THANK YOU:

TO THOSE WHO DEFENDED MY POSITION - THERE WERE SO MANY I CHOSE TO MAKE THIS VERY GENERIC AND ADDRESSED TO NO ONE SPECIFICALLY.

I HAVE LEARNED MORE FROM THIS FORUM THAN ANY PLACE I HAVE BEEN - INFORMATION SENT TO ME IN PRIVATE EMAILS AND ONLINE.

IT IS ALSO INTERESTING TO READ THE VIEWS OF SO MANY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS ALL OF WHOM ARE SKYDIVERS OR ASPIRE TO BE.

REMEMBER THE TALES OF LONG AGO - STORIES RELATED ONLY BY THE SPOKEN WORD. SINCE THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE TOLD IN MY LIFE TIME, I WILL TRY TO RELATE TO THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

JO WEBER


skyjack71

Nov 24, 2006, 1:04 AM
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I lived 17 yrs with this man - 17 mostly good yrs.

Why he told me he was Dan Cooper 11 days prior to his certain death after refusing further dialysis I will never know? Since I did not know who Dan Cooper was it would be 1 yr and 2months later before I knew that Dan Cooper was the name given by Cooper to the ticket agent.

I had related the circumstances regarding Duane's death to a gentleman who I was dating. He asked me if I had ever thought he might be D.B. Cooper and I he reminded of who Cooper was and what he did. There had been things during our marriage that involved D.B.Cooper and other strange things.

Two wks later on my way to the library to check out my usual books I called this man to verify the name and crime. I found only one book about Cooper - it was a fictional book, but the first 1/3 of the book was actually about the crime itself.

Fortunately. for me I did not read the book right away as I was taking my real estate test, but did take it with me. I did not intend to cram the night before, but after arriving at the testing site in another part of the state and attending a crash course the day before testing - I realized that I needed to study.

After returning home a couple of days later and successfully aced my exam, I started reading the book on May 24 th of 1996. I was only about 1/3 of the way thru the book and I was on the phone to the FBI. They treated me like a crank - wanted to know if I was drinking or on drugs. After talking to them I started to read again and got only about 13 pages over and I was back on the phone to the FBI. I couldn't believe what was happening - the flash backs of our life together and the puzzle pieces all fell into place.

I would try to talk to the FBI again on several occasions only to be rebuffed. So I set out on my own discovery program with nothing, but a phone and no computer and no knowledge of the internet.

What I found - family members who I had never known - and part of a criminal background. In my search I wrote to several people asking for their help in researching his background and one young man volunteered to help me. With his help spanning almost 3 yrs he convinced me to go public and maybe learn more. I had friends and acquaintances and family of my own urging me also to do this, simply to find out the truth. I had to know the truth - it was eating me alive.

I went public in June of 2000, feeling I had enough information to do so. Then the media was calling me - writers, producers - it was a circus, but all I wanted at that time was the truth and told them that if what they wanted to do might help me find more information then I would. I never took one dime for any of the documentaries that I did - I have spent a small fortune in my time and phone bills, but never have taken or asked for any compensation.

My search did escalate in 2000 in part because of the media and the fact that I purchased a computer.
Perhaps this answers many of your questions about WHY.

Due to this forum there has been some new information - and it is coming faster than ever before. So fast that it hard to digest it all.

I did not accept a movie contract that was offered to me and they kept revising it and I kept saying "No".
I was afraid that they might make my search into something it wasn't due to the language of the contracts and I would have NO control. The same with a book - all they wanted to do was capitalize on what information I had acquired without doing anything regarding more reseach.

Hopefully this answers the question of WHY. I do not want to die without knowing the truth - regardless of what that truth maybe. I am closer to the truth at this moment than I have ever been. Something I put aside a few yrs ago as it was not relative considering my limited knowledge of skydiving --- has shouted "Take a Closer Look at This".

Many people who know me and my story have told me that I was probably sitting on the answers and didn't know it. Now I believe that to be true.


Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 24, 2006, 8:23 AM
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I watched the movie "The Pursuit of DB Cooper" last night and there was scene which may help you if there was any truth in it. Plus, I remember much speculation from the time that DB was ex-military, specifically Special Forces.

In the movie, the Robert Duvall character is interviewing the flight attendant who DB locked in the bathroom. He asked about DB's clothing, accent and other characteristics. The attendant said, "Well, he was wearing a bracelet." Duvall grins and replies, "...a transvestite hijacker?"

The attendant described the bracelet as being made of coarse, black wire. Duvall pulled up his sleeve and says, "Did it look like this?" and showed her a Montagnard elephant hair bracelet.

If the movie writers got that idea for the elephant hair bracelet from the investigators --FBI or others-- you could possibly send a Freedom of Information request for available information. If the investigation records that you find mention that DB had the bracelet it pretty much confirms that he was Special Forces or a Marine stationed with them in 'Nam.

It's possible to buy the bracelets on eBay for $49.00 but not in 1971...nor in 1992 when the movie was made.

Did your husband mention the movie? Can you confirm that he was in 'Nam and that he was with the Montagnards?

As I see it, your quest is tied closely to confirming if the 'real' DB was wearing the bracelet and if your husband served in 'Nam.


Amazon  (D License)

Nov 24, 2006, 8:39 AM
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Jo... Has anyone suggested that you go to one of the local dropzones there in Florida and possibly make a tandem jump... just a thought..SmileSmile


stratostar  (Student)

Nov 24, 2006, 11:01 AM
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If at some point you care to tell us the story of your trip to WA in 79, I for one would like to hear about it.

And as posted above, how about doing a tandem?Smile


marks  (D 22296)

Nov 24, 2006, 4:53 PM
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Jo... Has anyone suggested that you go to one of the local dropzones there in Florida and possibly make a tandem jump... just a thought..SmileSmile

I agree, I also am very very interested in how this story pans out, please PLEASE keep us posted.Smile


colonel54656

Nov 24, 2006, 8:20 PM
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I GUESS YOU HAD TO BE THERE! I was jumping when DB did his thing. Being military it was assumed the jumper was military. It was years later Weber came out of the woods. The FBI was after him and had good reason to believe it was him I guess. At one time they were talking about a former SF captain who retired in Central America with to much money. With all the High Jackings and then DB the Feds were looking for some jumpers to put on retainer. I remember the Volplane was being sold at the time. One of the first squares. Like I said I guess you had to be around then to understand. I will attach photo of our guys then and they were all military.
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skyjack71

Nov 24, 2006, 10:34 PM
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Can you confirm that he was in 'Nam and that he was with the Montagnards?

As I see it, your quest is tied closely to confirming if the 'real' DB was wearing the bracelet and if your husband served in 'Nam.

Jo Weber says, For the Record:
NO Way! My quest is not tied to a fictional movie nor to 'Nam' nor to such a bracelet. I do not know where you got that information.


I have never said he was in Viet Nam. The only thing ever said to me regarding Viet Nam by Mr. Weber was. "During war time anyone can get into the service, all you need is a SS card." This was said around 1981 regarding a remark I made commenting that he was never in the army after he had pointed out an area in Alabama/Georgia were he had lived in a duplex and an area that they jumped in.

This was all of the conversation. I made an attempt to ask something but he was very astute in changing the conversation and controlling it.

My inquiries to a facility in that area resulted in something I will not talk about here on a forum. The contact was one of the strangest in my search.
Our own government obviously was hiding something regarding Duane L. Weber .

I had already been told by another person from Duane's past and I quote the words "Back off, your husband knew people in high places and if you want to be around to play with your grandkid destroy all you have and don't look back".

Every no or evasive answer has driven me to keep going - to find the truth.


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skyjack71

Nov 24, 2006, 10:44 PM
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Jo... Has anyone suggested that you go to one of the local dropzones there in Florida and possibly make a tandem jump... just a thought..SmileSmile

With my bones and the injuries from an auto accident in 2000 there is no way I would even try.

I would love to fly over the area in Wa. - not the areas that the media and the FBI searched, but the areas he took me too in 1979 and to release his remains there one day in the future.

Thanks for the offer, anyway.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 24, 2006, 11:23 PM
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>>I GUESS YOU HAD TO BE THERE! I was jumping when DB did his thing. Being military it was assumed the jumper was military.<<

That's too big an assumption. The sport side of parachuting (non-military) was clicking right along in 1971. Relative Work was exploding all over the country and the military had nothing on the civilian side as far as skills go.

However, I "lean" toward DB Cooper being former military, with a small number of jumps from years ago, or someone with no parachuting experience at all.

If it had been an experienced sport jumper, or even a current military club or ops jumper, he'd have been better prepared. I would have done it – not to sound like O.J. – with one of Hank's big Piglets and would have had an ash-bag for the money.

The bad WX over the jump area and the way he obtained the parachutes both point to someone who didn't put too much emphasis on the jump. That sounds like someone with no parachute experience at all. The next question becomes could a complete wuffo contemplate, and then carry out such a thing?

With just a Hollywood knowledge of parachuting, he could have researched the particulars of the air stair on the 727 easily enough, and the rest was just good old fashioned highway robbery.

The person up-board who said, "I'm interested in how this pans out," wins understatement of the thread. The parachuting community has been waiting for 35 years . . .

NickD Smile
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Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 24, 2006, 11:29 PM
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In reply to:
Can you confirm that he was in 'Nam and that he was with the Montagnards?

As I see it, your quest is tied closely to confirming if the 'real' DB was wearing the bracelet and if your husband served in 'Nam.

Jo Weber says, For the Record:
NO Way! My quest is not tied to a fictional movie nor to 'Nam' nor to such a bracelet. I do not know where you got that information.


I have never said he was in Viet Nam.
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Jo---

What I am saying is that after the hijacked plane landed all of the passengers and crew were interviewed by the FBI and other law enforcement investigators. I'm also saying that *somewhere* there is a record of the interviews that *maybe* the writer of the book "Free Fall" upon which the movie "The Pursuit of DB Cooper" was based talked to investigators or read their reports.

I'm assuming that *maybe* those writers would share any information that they dug up in their research for the book/film with you. Hell, with everyone following this 35 year old mystery!!

I'm speculating--pure speculation!--that there may be some factual truth to the scene in the movie in which the Montagnard elephant hair bracelet is mentioned. If, in fact, the reports relate that 'DB' wore such a bracelet which was described by the hostage flight attendant then tracking down anyone privy to the report would be to your benefit in your quest.

Have you read "Free Fall"? Have you seen the movie? Have you petitioned the gov't under FOIA for anything they have regarding the hijacking?

If people can request documents under FOIA for UFO info and CIA/NSA operations information or other material surely you could enter a FOIA request for documentation regarding the hijacking. I certainly would!

If you haven't requested information under FOIA it would seem to me it would be a good and very important action.

Again, have you requested information under FOIA from any government agency?

Has anyone reading this forum thread requested DB Cooper documents under the FOIA?



skyjack71

Nov 24, 2006, 11:41 PM
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Why in the Photo, do some of these men have their faces covered up?

In 1971 and from the mid-sixties there was concern from the Pilots and FAA regarding the saftey of the 727. With all of the skyjackings regarding Cuba - they voiced that the 727 was a potential target due to its design and wanted something done to prevent from happening what did happen in 1971.

It is rumored that - Around 1967 a group of such pilots and others of concern did make a concerted effort to devise a plan to force the government to
put in place some of the preventive programs that were put in place after 1971.


What if one of these individuals was an ex-con who conned his way into this group. He learned all he could about what they were doing - and having had a close contact in the late 50's to the schematics of the Boeings - (whether the schematics to the 727 was among them I would not know). It has been pointed out to me that the 727 did not make it's debut until the early 60's.

What if this individual was one Duane L. Weber using an alias because he was wanted by the FBI? The FBI find him and off to prison he goes for a couple of yrs.

After getting out of prison he is working menial jobs, nor being able to get on his feet and support his family - in 1970 he finds he has a kidney disease that is going to kill him (in those days you did not live long on the machines).

This man is defeated, but he has the information and plans with two yrs in prison to plan this. He had been involved since the 60's in covert and mob activities...from Las Vegas to Chicago to New Orlean to Miami to Texas and Tenn. In 1971 he is desperate - broke and his wife has left him. He has a disease that at that time was a death sentence.

The pictures I have ACQUIRED from that time show a very fit individual who had to have been working out. He was in Missouri and Columbia, S.C. and Atlanta, Ga during the yrs between 1968 and 1971. Known to spend a lot of time in AL. and Sandy Springs, Ga. Gone for wks at a time but sends money home.

Desparate and alone in the late fall of 1971 he decides to do the "Big One". If he dies - so what.
If the planned failed he would just die sooner.
I frankly don't know if he even thought he could survive. He already knew the locations where the 727 would be flying into smaller airports and he chose an area that was very far away from were he lived. but one he knew very well...from the 40's and 50's. An area he knew so well that he didn't need a map of even 10 yrs later.

You guys and gals think about this - do you think he could have done it with this set of circumstances. The circumstances and his knowledge of the Boeings are Fact. The rest of this has been gleaned from my research. I have enhanced nothing and left out most.

Also note this the insurance company, Pyarmid Life who carried the liability policy - Duane Weber worked for this company under the name of John Collins and was one of their top agents in the Kansas area.

He knew that $200,000 was the max limit on that policy for ransoms.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 24, 2006, 11:55 PM)


skyjack71

Nov 25, 2006, 12:08 AM
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Regarding FOIA and witnesses:

A journalist who helped me with much of the research interviewed the artist who did the composite and he said "You can't get any closer" up on seeing the photos of Duane L. Weber - especially the photo I found that was taken just prior to the jump and with dyed hair. He also divulged something that he was unable to depict in his composite...before the journalist told me what it was - I told him what it was.
This was the time when I knew there was no going back - that there was no question that Duane was Cooper.

The FOIA - they have very little and they even have errors in what they release. They can't even get the date correct. Go to the FOIA site. They have over 40 ft of files and this is all they can release - things that have no revelance at all.

Where is the hotel registration from a certain hotel in Portland just outside of the airport gate at that time - the agent tells me that they would have checked it out and then destroyed it. I would know Duane's handwriting regardless of what name he used. I believe that registration is somewhere in that file and the agents of today are just too overwhelmed to even look for it.


Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 25, 2006, 7:25 AM
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Regarding FOIA and witnesses:

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The FOIA - they have very little and they even have errors in what they release. They can't even get the date correct. Go to the FOIA site. They have over 40 ft of files and this is all they can release - things that have no revelance at all.

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I'm sorry, Jo, but if *you* have not filed multiple FOIA requests *yourself* on this issue you are not doing an investigation. IMHO.

I follow and study the UFO abduction phenomenon. Researchers for that topic spend years filing FOIA requests. Most often, the FOIA docs are redacted and meaningless or worthless.

Do *you* have docs like that? Do *you* have 'over 40 ft of files'?

It seems to me that you should be exhausting every possible opportunity available.

I was hoping that your response to my question about filing FOIA requests would be that you have done that and you could describe to those of us who are quite interested just what the gov't *did* send you.

It astounds me that you haven't filed any. If you have filed FOIA requests--and I am misunderstanding your response--please correct me.

Not speculation. Not innuendo. Not exaggerated talk. Written documents: affidavits, investigation reports or what ever.

I'll go one step further, I'll even create a totally new website on your behalf *FOR NO CHARGE* with the FOIA *documents* that you have available. Maybe you could get "InSearchOfDBCooper.com" or something similar.

Let the world see where you are on this. Go for it.

Send me a PM with a list of what you have received from the US gov't in response to your FOIA requests.


(This post was edited by Guru312 on Nov 25, 2006, 7:28 AM)


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 25, 2006, 10:11 AM
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You are most definitely a class act there Bernie! Cool

And Jo, if it would make anything easier for you, I'll be in Fla. in a couple weeks on business,
perhaps we could get together and I could help you scan said info to help organize and get up on a web site.


el_chester  (D 58)

Nov 25, 2006, 12:30 PM
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NPR interviews Jo.

http://www.npr.org/....php?storyId=1080901


skyjack71

Nov 25, 2006, 11:03 PM
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I just listened to that program you were kind enough to put up. I couldn't remember much of it...I am not one to talk in public. I got tickled at the mistakes I made - like "I was dressing him to take him to the airport" duh? hospital is correct.

The interviewer took liberties with the introduction but that is all right...many liberties have been taken by many.

He did not "whisper" on his death bed but told me matter of factly. He couldn't make me understand what he was talking about - I did not grasp who Dan Cooper was and the jumping out of a plane just wasn't making sense. I was not thinking - my husband had just been told that he would die in 5 days and I didn't want to listen to a tale, but he had never been one to tell tales.

During this time he gave me instructions about where to find certain things and that to be sure to check the van. I was too busy assuring him that I would be find and could handle thing to grasp very much.

He got very angry because I didn't understand who Dan Cooper was and shouted "Oh, F--- let it die with me". We were just outside the nurses station and they came rushing in thinking he was upset with his situation after hearing that remark. This is when they started sedating him. Prior to this he was NOT sedated.


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skyjack71

Nov 25, 2006, 11:25 PM
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I do not have 40 ft of files - the FBI does I have been told and has been in news articles.

My research is more than 8 ft long

The FOIA - is a joke. Others who have requested and recieve these documents - there is nothing there. I have reason to believe these individuals and have seen most of it. I only have copies of very few things and the errors in what I reviewed did not encourage me to pay the fees required .

One of the reasons only garbage will be made available is because the case is still open - some of the material is considered "sensitive" and "incriminating" and will never be available.

Freedom of Information Act - they wiil not divulge names of others that they investigated, names of those who have called saying they know who Cooper is and the testimony of the witnesses as given to the FBI and the artist doing the composite.

These are the things I need to see along with that precious hotel registration they claim they don't have or they just don't want to look for it . If they did have it I can assure you they would never want anyone to see it - it might mean that they missed the best clue they had been given.

The agents recieving the registration told the night clerk not to handle it and he said they put it in a plastic bag - all I want is a copy to review so that I can see if Duane was one of the register guest that night (regardless of the name he used I would know his handwriting).


skyjack71

Nov 25, 2006, 11:33 PM
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Thank you for your offer - I just don't have that kind of time to manage a web site. Just posting to this is diffcult. Takes me forever to get a photo posted.

I have gone to many web sites about "D.B. Cooper" and what you find is crazy and mostly kids.
I don't know how these things work and there are huge fees to pay that I could never afford. I did look into this at one time.


skyjack71

Nov 26, 2006, 12:57 AM
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I am really sorry you started that thread. Those sites are old and full of misinformation.

The site that you guote from in 1998 (in your thread) has only the very 1st photo I could acquire - it was distorted and not near the age he was when he made the jump.

Statements made regarding that Duane had been eliminated was 1998 --- the FBI agent in 2000 went on national TV and took credit for information that Doug Pasternak of the US News and World Reports and I had found.

This same agent had not even done a cursory background check on Duane - he repeated back to me what I had told him and claimed that Duane was never in Mc Neil and some of the other prisons. Well, I had the documentation in Black and White. That agent cooked his own goose that Thanksgiving.

Why did the FBI ask for Duane Webers DNA in March of 2003?[/b


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 26, 2006, 5:53 AM
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Why did the FBI ask for Duane Weber's DNA in March of 2003?


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Well I can probably answer that one Jo~

'Dan Cooper' allegedly was smoking like an old train on board the aircraft, back when you COULD do such things.Sly

There are no doubt many of his cigarette butts gathered up and in some evidence locker somewhere, they wanted Duane's DNA to compare against DNA likely on those butts left behind by the hijacker.

Again, no surprise you haven't heard anything from them...they may be hesitant to acknowledge that the untold millions of taxpayer money they spent in the fruitless search
proved 'wasted' when you made your initial call to them explaining what you'd found.

Much better to 'save face' and say he couldn't have survived the jump!Crazy


bigway

Nov 26, 2006, 6:08 AM
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This is an excellent thread!

Makes you wonder though, while the FBI are reading this if they are actually reading other threads in the forums.


GrabGrass  (D 666999)

Nov 26, 2006, 6:13 AM
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This is an excellent thread!

Makes you wonder though, while the FBI are reading this if they are actually reading other threads in the forums.


Ever met a Lawyer or an Accountant that COULD READ ?! Crazy


Much less one on the Federal Teat??? Tongue


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 26, 2006, 6:16 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
This is an excellent thread!

Makes you wonder though, while the FBI are reading this if they are actually reading other threads in the forums.


Ever met a Lawyer or an Accountant that COULD READ ?! Crazy


Much less one on the Federal Teat??? Tongue


ShockedShockedShocked


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Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 26, 2006, 8:08 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
This is an excellent thread!

Makes you wonder though, while the FBI are reading this if they are actually reading other threads in the forums.


Ever met a Lawyer or an Accountant that COULD READ ?! Crazy


Much less one on the Federal Teat??? Tongue


ShockedShockedShocked


~ I N C O M I N G ! ! ! ~

No. O U T G O I N G !!!...I'm done...

This thread has lost its interest for me.

It is beyond my understanding why the person who started it steadfastly refuses to file FOIA requests...and then bitches about the information that is not provided.

Good luck, Jo, I have better things to do with my life.

I think I'm going to rake leaves.


mdrejhon  (C 3268)

Nov 26, 2006, 10:41 AM
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Neutral third party viewpoint here. This will help explain the argument. This will help explain why we need to stay polite and continue to do benefit-of-doubt.

With a specific government department (i.e. American IRS or Canadian CCRA), I have heard of many horror stories as well as many success stories. Someone got audited, someone got a tax refund.

Another example: Cellphone companies. Don't forget there are many happy Cingular customers who have been pampered by very nice people working there, while there are many angry Cingular customers that have been abused by seemingly brainless customer service, and people actually don't sign up for Cingular because of the bad stories they hear.

And don't get me started regarding presidents, prime ministers, and other leaders (of many countries, Canada, America, wherever). We all totally agree that some of us love them, some of us hate them, and some are anywhere in between.

There is enough polar-opposite experiences with any ONE government department that I understand both sides of the argument. You are intelligent enough to understand that multiple-person entities (government, companies, etc) can often exhibit the behavior of one hand not knowing know what the other is doing, and the usual inefficiencies and inconveniences that sometimes occur... And that word-of-mouth is very powerful, especially when told by close friends.

Shame given Jo's apparent grief (let's not worry about if DB is real or not), you aren't using more polite statements such as "While I understand there has almost certainly been negative experiences with FOIA, the problem happens with just about any federal department. If you come across a financial situation where you are able to afford to try and make the 'gamble' to do so, you should try approaching FOIA sometime anyway to make a request. There are occasionally good stories -- it's worth a gamble in the odd chance you get some useful info, which is certianly possible -- Here's a success story with FOIA, someone got a..." .... Instead you chose to say something inflammatory such as "It is beyond my understanding why the person who started it steadfastly refuses to file FOIA requests" Yes, there is emotional reaction, but remember Jo is the one who had the dying husband, not you -- even if you don't think he's real, you need to give understanding of that. Hear, hear!

I continue to watch this story. It is one of the most interesting threads on dropzone.com lately.


(This post was edited by mdrejhon on Nov 26, 2006, 10:52 AM)


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Nov 26, 2006, 11:37 AM
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The "High cost" of the FOIA search costs are First 2 hrs: no chargeRemainder: $18/hr: manual, $11-27/hr: computer. Then also for the copies of the files: First 100 pages: no charge Remainder: 10 cents/page. If you can get someone in the news meida to sponsor the request then the search fee is waived and you only have to pay for the xerox costs.

Is there even an estiamte from the FBI on how much a full search and reproduction of their records will cost? If not I agree that not all the search work has been done with the FBI and law agencies.


MakeItHappen

Nov 26, 2006, 12:09 PM
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After getting out of prison he is working menial jobs, nor being able to get on his feet and support his family - in 1970 he finds he has a kidney disease that is going to kill him (in those days you did not live long on the machines).

This man is defeated, but he has the information and plans with two yrs in prison to plan this. He had been involved since the 60's in covert and mob activities...from Las Vegas to Chicago to New Orlean to Miami to Texas and Tenn. In 1971 he is desperate - broke and his wife has left him. He has a disease that at that time was a death sentence.

I don't follow the part where he has a short life expectancy in 1971, yet lives to 1995?
Did he really have kidney disease?
Did dialysis work better than you say?
Did he get a transplant?

I have copies of old Parachutist magazines and can see if his name or aliases are listed in the Wings-n-Things section. It also lists the state the jumper was from at the time. I do know that USPA did go through their records at the time to look for this person. They did not find anything.

Personally, I think DB Cooper went in on that jump and no one has been able to find his remains.
Several years ago there was a BASE jumper that made a successful jump, but his canopy landed in a swiftly flowing river. He was swept away. S&R could not find his body - and they knew where to look. Something similar probably happened to DB Cooper.

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sartre

Nov 26, 2006, 12:46 PM
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Why in the Photo, do some of these men have their faces covered up?

Mrs Weber, I have been wondering about this comment for a few days. In looking at the photo, it doesn't appear to me that any of the men have their faces covered up. I am intigued by this thread as well, but just confused about a couple of your posts. Am I missing something?


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Nov 26, 2006, 12:53 PM
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They are wearing helmets. They are not covering up their faces.


sartre

Nov 26, 2006, 1:57 PM
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Thus my question to Mrs. Weber.Smile


Guru312  (C 6814)

Nov 26, 2006, 3:35 PM
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Neutral third party viewpoint here. This will help explain the argument. This will help explain why we need to stay polite and continue to do benefit-of-doubt.

...

Yes, there is emotional reaction, but remember Jo is the one who had the dying husband, not you -- even if you don't think he's real, you need to give understanding of that. Hear, hear!

I continue to watch this story. It is one of the most interesting threads on dropzone.com lately.

Wow! Damned if I do and damned if I don't. It was my intent to stay out of this increasingly emotional thread but this post of yours and, more so, having a moderator lock a thread I started to address the facts of this issue has caused me to defend myself.

I started another thread having to do with this issue because, IMHO, Mrs. Weber is failing to look at the facts regarding DB Cooper.

You will note that in the fourth paragraph of the post which starts this thread she wrote: I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it.

For those of you new to the thread and DB Cooper particularly, I was under scrutiny 35 years ago because of an advertisement I placed in a Philadelphia newspaper in which I advertised "Parachute lessons for hijacking and other fun." Click on the link in my sig below to see the ad.

I purposely created another subject because I did not want to hijack the hijacking thread. The moderator of the locked thread told me a new thread wasn't needed and to post here.

This response addresses other facts regarding DB Cooper.

In the other thread I have a link to an essay I wrote dealing with facts Mrs. Weber doesn't want to entertain. And, as you can see from her posts up-thread of this she wrote to me: I am really sorry you started that thread.

What she doesn't want the DZ.com community to be aware of is that two or three FBI agents have gone public about this whole issue. One agent co-wrote a book about the whole episode and another agent shot and killed a man who hijacked a plane for $500,000 not long after the DB Cooper hijack.

That $500,000 hijacker was ex-Special Forces and a seasoned skydiver. Speculation at the time was that he did the DB Cooper hijack. My money is on him; Mrs. Weber's money seems to be on her ex-husband.

The FBI agent O'Hara who did the shooting is quoted in the book written by the FBI agent as saying: "When I shot Richard McCoy, I shot D.B. Cooper at the same time."

You can read more about this in the essay I wrote by clicking here:
http://berniesayers.com/...ch_for_DB_Cooper.htm

As I write, above, I purposely did not want to attack or defame Mrs. Weber in her own thread but she and I have a differing opinion regarding finding facts and dealing with them. I have defended her against very personal attacks but disagree with her current attitude in regard to the publicly available issues.

I did not want to hijack the hijacking thread by writing a post like this but I'm following the moderator's guidance.

You decide. Read the other information available. See my essay above for links.


(This post was edited by Guru312 on Nov 26, 2006, 3:46 PM)


NickDG  (D 8904)

Nov 26, 2006, 5:38 PM
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Here's a 1999 article concerning the 727 co-pilot . . .

Also - Has it ever been revealed exactly what kind of rigs they gave him? I remember reading (somewhere years ago) they came from a local parachute loft. I always assumed they were four pilot's rigs and not sport gut gear.

NickD Smile
BASE 194

>>Ken Eisinger / Star Tribune

Capt. William Rataczak will tell you that he has two families -- his relatives and his professional colleagues -- and he doesn't like people messing with either.

In 1971, airline hijacker D.B. Cooper messed with both. Rataczak, who retired Monday after a 34-year career with Northwest Airlines, was the co-pilot during the legendary D.B. Cooper skyjacking. Cooper captivated the nation when he ransomed a jetliner for $200,000 and then parachuted out the back of the plane over southwestern Washington state.

He was never seen again, but $5,800 of the ransom money was discovered along the Columbia River in 1980. His feat -- or his folly -- has inspired books, a movie, annual festivals and a play by local laywright John Orlock.

Rataczak, who lives in South Haven, Minn., took a break from the cheers and applause of his friends and family at his retirement reception Monday at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to reflect on his experience.

He had been flying commercially only six years when a man calling himself Dan Cooper -- the "D.B." came from a reporter's mistake and remains today -- boarded Rataczak's Boeing 727 in Portland, Ore., with 36 other passengers.

Cooper gave a flight attendant a note, which she ignored, thinking he was trying to come on to her. Soon after takeoff she read it and relayed the message to Capt. William Scott and Rataczak that the plane was being hijacked by a man with a bomb.

"He wanted $200,000 and four parachutes," Rataczak said. "And no funny stuff."

Upon his arrival Monday at the airport from Oslo, Norway, retiring Capt. William Rataczak shared a laugh with fellow Capt. Pete Johnson.

The plane circled above the Seattle airport while police below raced to get the ransom money and find the parachutes. When the plane landed, Cooper freed the passengers and two flight attendants in return for the ransom.

Rataczak recalled that he, the other pilot, a flight engineer and the remaining two attendants could have left the plane as well because they were out of Cooper's sight. But Rataczak said he couldn't get the flight attendants' attention.

Cooper then ordered Rataczak and Scott to fly to Mexico, agreeing to a refueling stop in Reno.

Although Cooper's identity remains a mystery, Rataczak said he was able to discern some of the criminal's qualities. Cooper's comments indicated he was familiar with the Seattle area, and had an dvanced knowledge of aviation, Rataczak said.

Just after takeoff, Cooper ordered the remaining attendant to go to the cockpit and close the curtain behind her. When she looked back, he was tying the money to his waist. In the cockpit, the pilots saw the stair signal light flash and felt a sudden dip and then ascension in the plane's flight.

The dip was caused when Cooper jumped from the rear stairs at 10,000 feet, going 196 miles per hour, about 20 miles north of Portland. He wore only a business suit with loafers, and he plummeted into stormy weather with a windchill of 70 below.

An ensuing FBI manhunt found no trace of Cooper. His myth gained momentum. His legend is one part mystery, and one part folk tale; a combination of Bigfoot and Robin Hood. Hundreds of people who annually attend festivals in Ariel, Wash., think Cooper escaped with his money and is alive and well today. When an 8-year-old boy found about $5,800 of the marked ransom money on a riverbank in 1980, the stories began again.

Rataczak doesn't believe the hype.

"My mind tells me he's dead," he said. "And my heart tells me I hope he is because he caused a great number of people a great deal of grief.

"Many people didn't realize that there were 36 other passengers and a crew of six on that aircraft whose lives were in jeopardy. . . . It's an open book today, if he's ever caught, he will go to prison."<<


Frenchy68  (A License)

Nov 26, 2006, 6:08 PM
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Also - Has it ever been revealed exactly what kind of rigs they gave him? I remember reading (somewhere years ago) they came from a local parachute loft. I always assumed they were four pilot's rigs and not sport gut gear.

Article found on the web
"The parachute types specified by D.B. Cooper, according to author Gunther, were acquired from a sport parachute center in Issaquah, Washington-two standard emergency back-type and two chest-type auxiliary parachutes (the latter generally termed reserve chutes, for back-up emergency use if the main chute should malfunction when a sport parachutist was making a jump). The parachute center in Issaquah provided the two chest packs and Earl Cossey, a parachuting instructor at the Issaquah drop zone as well as an FAA Master Parachute Rigger, contacted at his nearby home, brought two back-type rigs from his parachute workshop there and delivered them to the parachute school. (The types and number of parachutes asked for by D.B. Cooper led to early speculation that the skyjacker might have freefall parachuting experience and that he might have an accomplice.)"

Also, were there any confirmation that anyone from the crew checked whether Cooper was indeed gone prior to landing in Reno? Could he have jumped further South than everyone thinks?


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 26, 2006, 8:35 PM
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And...one of the 'reserves' from the DZ was of the old "Training Aid" types...Cossey realized it when he put his 'personal' main containers with them, told the FBI...but it was to late to retrieve another belly wart.

From what I understand, DB opened the 'non' "Training Aid"
canopy and cut some 550 with which to secure the satchel of greenbacks.


skyjack71

Nov 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
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Why did the FBI ask for Duane Weber's DNA in March of 2003.

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Well I can probably answer that one Jo~
There are no doubt many of his cigarette butts gathered up and in some evidence locker somewhere, they wanted Duane's DNA to compare against DNA likely on those butts left behind by the hijacker.

Okay Guys,

The asking of the question about why they picked up Duane's DNA was to emphasize that even in 2003 they (the FBI) had NOT excluded Duane in so much as the articles of 1998 stated and a letter sent to me in 1998 from the FBI.

This same agent is interviewed in 2001 on a TV program and he only recited what our research had shown - they had not disqualify him even then. Their statements of 1998 were hasty and meant to just get rid of me. ONLY, I didn't scare easily. I kept calling and calling and writing and providing new evidence that I had acquired from 2000 until the present. If they didn't get that DNA and I went public again - it would not look good for them.

I can prove that the agent of record I was dealing with in 1998 told me they (the FBI) lost the cigarrette butts . I have been told since, he was in error. What is it - do they have the butts or not....if they have them why haven't they made the comparisons and if they loose things why don't they return the multiply items that I gave them? I was told they would return them in 6 months????? Duh it has been over 3 yrs going on 4.


skyjack71

Nov 26, 2006, 11:00 PM
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Quote "I don't follow the part where he has a short life expectancy in 1971, yet lives to 1995?
Did he really have kidney disease?
Did dialysis work better than you say?
Did he get a transplant?"

Dear Make It Happen:

In 1971 we knew little about kidney disease - the machines also were inadequate. They told him he might have 5 good yrs.

In 1971 they had just started the reseach into the different kinds of kidney disease. Duane's disease was later classified as Polysistic Kidney Disease - a disease that will moves forward in stages depending on how you live your life. In 1977 when I met him he was still looking good, but he had an extend abdomen due to the over-load on the kidney that was functioning.

He started to take better care of himself and I made sure he had a proper diet for this disease. Medications had been developed that help extend his inevitable ending. He also stopped drinking - and I think that was the most important thing that happened.

I would like to think he changed for me - he walked away from a life of crime because he knew how I had been raised and what my standards were. If I had known during his life time that he had committed this crime, I would have been bound by my own code of ethics to turn him in. He knew me like a book.

He once told me that he had never know a family like mine - Golden Wedding Anniversarys, Christmas Gatherings, Family Reunions. Obviously this is something he had wanted all of his life. I know I was captivated by him and I believe he would have given his life for me.

In 1990 the disease had progressed to the point that dialysis was a must. He fought a long and hard battle and in 1995 he decided to cease diaylsis. When he did this death was eminent within a few days. The diaylsis had depleted his body to skin and bones ( very fragil bones).

During that last yr. he suffered a fractured leg in Feb of 1994, a fractured shoulder and ribs in August and then he took the fall that defeated him - in Jan of 1995. This fall broke his left arm and several fingers (he was left handed)....I lost my job only 3 or 4 wks before he went into the hospital and I was our sole support. He had a small SS check, but i was the main bread winner those last yrs.

This shell of the man I once knew decided the day I took him to the hospital that last time that he wanted to stop diaylsis and that he would die. He turned around as we left the house and said "By House"...I tried to tell him everything would be ok.

After serveral days in the hospital he kept refusing diaylsis - he asked me if I would be all right with this.
He had made his decision to cease diaylsis before we left the house.

"He made this decision as fearlessly as he had made another decision on that night in 1971 - he was never one to back down." Only then did he tell he his secret."


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 27, 2006, 12:37 AM)


skyjack71

Nov 26, 2006, 11:15 PM
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Also - Has it ever been revealed exactly what kind of rigs they gave him? I remember reading (somewhere years ago) they came from a local parachute loft. I always assumed they were four pilot's rigs and not sport gut gear.

Cool
I have read many different reports on types of parachutes that Cooper asked for but the only reliable information is in a book NORJAX by Ralph Himmelsback the agent in charge in 1971.

There are many other books - such as the one that another FBI agent wrote claiming that when he killed McCoy that he killed Cooper. McCoy's widow sued that author and retired FBI agent and won - wonder why? - McCoy was no were near WA or OR at the time of the Cooper hijacking.

If you read and reseach all of the articles and books out there and actually talk to people who were on that plane and involved in the search - as I have done you can then start to TRY to decipher the FICTION from the TRUTH.


skyjack71

Nov 27, 2006, 12:10 AM
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BELOW - Quotes from the basis of the thread:

I am the widow of a man who claimed that he was Cooper 11 days before he died in 1995. I have been researching his past for 11 yrs now and I need the help of this forum to uncover his jump history.

So far I have done everything for the FBI except put him in a parachute. The help of those who read this forum will be appreciated.

I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it. All I want is to find information about sky jumping and any information I might be able to find about Duane Lorin Weber and any of his AKA's.

If anyone is interested I will post photos of him on the forum from different areas of his life in hopes that someone knows an old timer who might recognize him. The old timers usually don't use computers so it will help me immensely if you guys would print the photos and take them to your meetings or anyplace that these old timers might be found. Perhaps there is a magazine for jumpers that might run some of the photos.

Please help me in my search and once and for all to bury Cooper.

Respectfully, Jo Weber


Cool
ABOVE: My reason for coming to this site and starting this thread. In the beginning I recieved an immense amount of help regarding how to reach the old timers of skydiving.
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There is an enormous amount of information out there regarding fictional characters, actual suspects, debates over the hows and wherefores, books written by FBI agents on this subject.
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I have done my research - into the background of one Duane L. Weber and the probablility that he was Dan Cooper. I have also studied and research the other suspects and in many incidents I have spoke with the individual making the claim or their representative (such as a lawyer).
Unimpressed
I and others on my behalf have interviewed many of those involved with the actual facts of the crime itself and the ensueing investigation and search for Cooper.
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All I NEED now is to ACTUALLY put him in a parachute and that is WHY I am posting to this site.
Pirate
The purpose of my being here has become lost to the reader and I am ever so QUILTY of straying off track. My reason for getting the pictures posted seems to be lost in all of this.
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PS.
I was also looking for the jumpers views of how he managed to survive this jump and their perspectives.


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 27, 2006, 7:18 AM
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I was also looking for the jumpers views of how he managed to survive this jump and their perspectives.

In reply to:

Jo~

There is an annual skydiving convention held in the Midwest for well over 20 years now. One of the main attractions to jumpers worldwide is the opportunity to get to do a "D.B. Cooper" jump, in which skydivers exit that rear air stair of a Boeing 727. It's done often and by many, usually exiting almost 'en-mass'. I've jumped the jet myself and am obviously living proof that the parachute part of the 1971 skyjacking event is survivable and possible.


skyjack71

Nov 27, 2006, 9:35 PM
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Quote: from airtwardo

"I've jumped the jet myself and am obviously living proof that the parachute part of the 1971 skyjacking event is survivable and possible."

Dear airtwardo,

I am aware the jump has been done many times since and by service personnel, but what I am talking about is the weather. The books and some authorities claim that the weather conditions would have created a peril - yet, when the search planes were in the air at day break the next morning ---the weather was 43 on the ground and children were playing and adults fishing under a canopy by the lake.

I have a copy of the weather report for the area for the time of the jump and I can't see were it would have been so bad. At the time of the jump- some clouding and rain, but ground visibility was good. Yet you will read reports from others claiming terrible winds.

I will have to find that copy in my 8ft plus of research, but have not had a reason to use it until this conversation.

It is also important that the public realize that the plane was NOT in the location they believed it to be. Because of the wind they had drifted off course SE putting the drop (the thud) right into the area Duane took me to in 1979.

Another thing is his apparel. The FBI said he had on a suit and Mitchell, a college student sitting across from Cooper said he had something sticking out from under his pant (maybe thermal wear or a jump suit). Although not many of the accounts mention the black rain (top) coat - I assure you that he had that with him.

Also the accounts by the press and "the FBI files" have never mentioned other pieces of apparel I know he always traveled with. This is the first time I believe I have stated this publically. Remember the old rubbers that snapped at the ankle worn to protect street shoes in rain and snow?

If he was indeed wearing loafers as the authorities claim, would the rubbers have kept his shoes on. Frankly I believe that he stashed something on the plane in a prior flight he made on that same plane (this is only a theory). He spoke of working with a company cleaning planes at an airport althought with all of his aka's and SS's I have not been able to verify this.

Thank you, Jo Weber


b1jercat  (B 26608)

Nov 27, 2006, 10:37 PM
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Call Ralph 503-630-5867. Wink

blues

jerry


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1010  (B 28561)

Nov 27, 2006, 10:45 PM
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In reply to:
Call Ralph 503-630-5867. Wink

blues

jerry


I was just thinking the same thing ...

Jo, Ralph Hatley has been involved with skydiving for a long time, I gotta believe he's got an opinion about this subject, like everything else Wink. He owns a big skydiving gear store 30 miles SE of Portland.


skyjack71

Nov 28, 2006, 11:49 PM
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Quote from French
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"The parachute types specified by D.B. Cooper, according to author Gunther, were acquired from a sport parachute center in Issaquah, Washington-two standard emergency back-type and two chest-type auxiliary parachutes (the latter generally termed reserve chutes, for back-up emergency use if the main chute should malfunction when a sport parachutist was making a jump). The parachute center in Issaquah provided the two chest packs and Earl Cossey, a parachuting instructor at the Issaquah drop zone as well as an FAA Master Parachute Rigger, contacted at his nearby home, brought two back-type rigs from his parachute workshop there and delivered them to the parachute school. (The types and number of parachutes asked for by D.B. Cooper led to early speculation that the skyjacker might have freefall parachuting experience and that he might have an accomplice.)"

Also, were there any confirmation that anyone from the crew checked whether Cooper was indeed gone prior to landing in Reno? Could he have jumped further South than everyone thinks?

Cool
Dear Frenchy:

Max Gunther wrote a fictional story - I spent many hours communicating with him by mail and by phone. We discussed many facets of his book. He used a lot of the information from the crime itself with a few mistakes. All and All it was a good book - from the factual stand point and the fictional stand point.

From NorJax a book by Ralph Himmelsbach FBI agent:
"when the hijacker learned that military models were being supplied, he demanded civilian chutes instead. (Apparenty the hijacker knew that military chutes of the type suggested open automatically after about 200 feet, where the models use by skydiver and acrobatic pilots allowed free fall as long as the jumper wante to wait before pulling the ripcord)."

It was noted that Boeing Aircraft Company official conceded that the 727 had performed an air drop demonstration using boxes and that it worked quite well --- this was prior to the hijacking. ?????

As I have said before that the FBI would later concede that the jump may have occured further SE due to the Vector of the plane. This would have made him landing somewhat below the area search around Lake Merwin. It would put him over an area from above Battleground to somewhere between Washougal and Vancouver. Take and make a triangle with those three locations ---??????

Hope this helps with your question.

Jo WeberSmile


skyjack71

Nov 29, 2006, 10:36 PM
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Looks like the thread got moved to something called Speakers Corner. I would never look for it in this location, but that is my opinion. Hope all of you, I doubt it.

Really hated to see this - Just not a good category. History and Trivia would have been a more likely place.

I would have hoped it would fall under a category that people would visit such as Skyjumping Trivia or at least a category that people would see it when coming to the site. Who would look in Speakers Corner NOT ME. But then again I guess that is my fault. Sorry


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wuffo2

Nov 30, 2006, 1:41 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
This is an excellent thread!

Makes you wonder though, while the FBI are reading this if they are actually reading other threads in the forums.


Ever met a Lawyer or an Accountant that COULD READ ?! Crazy


Much less one on the Federal Teat??? Tongue


ShockedShockedShocked


~ I N C O M I N G ! ! ! ~

No. O U T G O I N G !!!...I'm done...

This thread has lost its interest for me.

It is beyond my understanding why the person who started it steadfastly refuses to file FOIA requests...and then bitches about the information that is not provided.

Good luck, Jo, I have better things to do with my life.

I think I'm going to rake leaves. Ever try to get a FOIA nowadays? Hope you have plenty of connections and lots of bucks and time. Then when you get it it's half blacked out. Your Govt. at workWink


Premier TomAiello  (D 22400)
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Nov 30, 2006, 8:43 AM
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I've moved this thread from Speakers' Corner to History and Trivia.

Hopefully, folks who want to contribute something useful to help Jo can do so here, and we'll avoid the arguments that started in the Bonfire.

Please remember that Jo is entitled to post her opinions and ask questions, just as every member of these forums is. Personal attacks will not be tolerated here (or elsewhere in these forums).

If you want to share something with Jo, please do so. If you think she's on a wild goose chase, I advise you to just ignore this thread and spend your time elsewhere.

Thanks!


skyjack71

Nov 30, 2006, 7:24 PM
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Thank You to all of the moderators and the site administrator for the opportunity to finish this and to seek help thru this thread.

I have spoke with contacts, made thru this forum. I appreciate the encouragement recieved from many of these individuals and their candid opinions by private email. If you wish to ask me questions or contact me regarding this thread regarding any information you feel might be pertinent to my search - post or private email - me I will answer you.

The photos will be posted next wk if all goes OK with the computer guy - I hope all of you will feel it has been worth the wait and aggravation.

Attached photo and the avatar show the FBI composite and a photo of Weber taken in 1979.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 30, 2006, 9:39 PM)
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Douva  (D 22772)

Dec 1, 2006, 12:46 AM
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Some people might find it interesting to view the photo Jo posted next to this age progressed version of the FBI sketch.

I'm sure this is information Jo already has, but for those of you who were so interested in what the FBI might release through a Freedom of Information Act filing, some of that information is posted here.

Jo, I'm sorry if somebody has already asked this and I missed it, but do you have an idea what part of the country Duane was living in during the late '60s/early '70s? That would probably help us narrow down the drop zones where he might have jumped and therefore the list of people to whom you should speak.


DBCOOPER  (D 24112)

Dec 1, 2006, 7:39 AM
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airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 1, 2006, 8:00 AM
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skyjack71

Dec 1, 2006, 3:43 PM
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The aged composite was done only a few yrs ago. The projected aging was older (much older) than what Duane was in the Avatar. I don't know how others get their pics to be so clear --- under 10k is difficult and not clear, but everyone else's are clear. Can anyone offer me a suggestion about doing the photos.


airtwardo  (D License)

Dec 1, 2006, 8:10 PM
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Jo, the 10k if for posting avaitar pics only, you can go as high as 100 I believe for posting in fourms.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Dec 1, 2006, 10:21 PM
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Wow! Based on those FBI composite sketches, I also think -I- may have found a photo of D.B. Cooper from around that time period.

Holy Cow! I'm pretty sure this guy always carried a briefcase of some sort and he, himself, was no dummy.


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stratostar  (Student)

Dec 1, 2006, 10:46 PM
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Just wondering, do you have a better photo with less shadow and more of a stright on face shot at the same age range as the one you put in the avaitar?

If so please post it, thanks.


skyjack71

Dec 2, 2006, 12:01 AM
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1st attachment: This is a photo we believe was approx age 25. His brother sent me this photo - it was the first time I had ever seen Duane as young man.

2ed attachment: This is another photo sent by the brother and it appears to be a prison photo and that would make it either Folsom or SanQuentin in the 50's with an approx age of 35. His nose appears to have been broken and was not large in 1977 when I met him.


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skyjack71

Dec 2, 2006, 12:12 AM
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What I have posted are a few I had on a disk, but others I will have to rescan. I have a probem making this new machine do what I want it to do with pictures. I have a lot to get used to with this new contraption. It has Media XP - and refuses to give me my photos in the program I had - just won't open some of them.

What I have sent you is not coming across in good quality or size. The photo with the composite in the avatar was made after I met him. The approx 25 and the prison approx 35 were sent by his bother after his death.

Next will come the photos I acquired by happen chance from just prior to the crime in 1971 with dyed hair and one taken right after he was released from Jefferson City Prison in 1968 with salt and pepper hair.

There will also be a picture of his wife of the times holding a pair of sunglasses - they match the composite dead no - why she sent me these photos before she died I will never know? I will not show anything but her arm and I turn the photo around so you can see the glasses right up. I will try to put a copy of the composite with the glasses all on one page. Give me time to do all of that - what it takes one of you to do in 10 minutes takes me hours.

It will be at least a week. So bear with me.


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Zing  (D 6343)

Dec 2, 2006, 12:18 AM
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Somebody here, myself included, could help you with those photo files. If you can put them on a CD and send them, or email the files to me, I should be able to open them, change them into files your new computer will recognize and email them back to you. Send a private message if you'd like my email address.


skyjack71

Dec 2, 2006, 12:44 AM
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Just got another one to open off the old disk.
This is a collage the Composite with and without glasses and then below a black and white photo taken around 1979 along with another photo taken in 1988 -

Note that Duane took extreme measures to grow a large crop of hair. Plus the one in 1988 presenting a plaque to one of our sales staff - he grew the mustach when Norjax came out in 1986 - I hate facial hair so it was not to please me or himself.
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skyjack71

Dec 3, 2006, 10:57 PM
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MadSorry folks, I am doing this from a friends computer.
The old puter crashd and now the new puter has crashed. I will be down for some time as we live in the boonies and it will have to be mailed off...even under warranty.

FrownStrange things are going one, but then I guess I am paranoid at this stage. My calling card which I have used to protect my phone number was giving my personal number on the peoples caller ID. (I do not have a long distance carrier). Then the next day I can't call any 800 numbers and then today Sun my new computer crashes.

UnimpressedBeginning to sound like someone doesn't want me talking to other people on the phone or on the computer. I am sure it is just a series of coincidences, but with the eerie things going on in this search it makes one think twice.

Just kidding, I hope. Smile Have a nice wk and I will see you then. Jo Weber


labrys  (D 29848)

Dec 4, 2006, 1:41 PM
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I think it's a government cover-up.
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Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Dec 4, 2006, 3:19 PM
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You may be on to something.


SkydiveJack  (D 6486)

Dec 4, 2006, 3:40 PM
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In reply to:
You may be on to something.

If this is true then it means Bush Senior actually has SIX jumps!

Maybe USPA should give him an "E" license if he makes a small donation, say maybe $200,000.


labrys  (D 29848)

Dec 4, 2006, 3:51 PM
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Or even $194,200. Some of it went for a bike and a VCR, didn't it?

Give the guy some credit, though. He had to find some way to put Jr through Yale.


skyjack71

Dec 9, 2006, 10:27 PM
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I just tried again with the photos. I can't get good quality on here and don't know how to get more than one photo in an attachment to the post. Help!
With the final ones to post only one photo that you have to open and then go to another post and open the other one then you and I just get lost. I need to put 4 photos in a row to make my point.


stratostar  (Student)

Dec 10, 2006, 6:17 AM
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No you load all the attachments the same, in one post, if you can upload one, you can upload all in the same post. You also have 100kb to work with for size.


skyjack71

Dec 10, 2006, 9:54 PM
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Thank You. I still need for all 4 pics to be viewed at once. I don't know anything to do but take them somewhere and have someone put all 4 pics into one pic. Because I don't deal locally (small community), I will have to take them to a city about 40 miles away.


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Dec 10, 2006, 11:27 PM
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Post them and someone will do it for you.


mdrejhon  (C 3268)

Dec 11, 2006, 11:24 AM
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In reply to:
Thank You. I still need for all 4 pics to be viewed at once. I don't know anything to do but take them somewhere and have someone put all 4 pics into one pic. Because I don't deal locally (small community), I will have to take them to a city about 40 miles away.
Why not email the 4 photos to one of us, and we can merge them into one picture, including resizing to match size to each other, if necessary?

Another easy option is to buy one of the cheap clearance brand-name digital cameras (Kodak 3 megapixel, etc -- can sometimes be found for just $50 or $75), lay the photos on a table in a brightly lit room, take a digital snapshot of all of them at once -- and upload that photo. Make sure the camera is in close-range focus mode (usually the flower "icon" on most cameras). Much easier than using a scanner, and it provides photographic proof of the existence of original prints. This is a quick way of making digital backups of the originals, even if it is not high quality - but it is much easier and faster than using a scanner... Computer-independent, and doesn't break down as easily. (Essentially, you're simply taking photographs of photo prints.) ... Remember using a modern recent digital camera is easier than using the Internet nowadays; so if you are able to use the Internet, you can handle a digital camera. And if the computer breaks down, just simply bring the memory card to a photo lab or kiosk instead. And get one of those 1 gigabyte cards which are cheap now at $25, and avoid deleting them from the cards, so you still have the photos even if the computer breaks down. (You can burn to a CD instead, if you want to save money -- or bring the memory card to a photo lab to make CD backups if you don't know how to burn to a CD).
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Post them and someone will do it for you.
If you do, I volunteer to merge all the photos into one photo within 24 hours of your post using my Corel/Adobe software... (In fact, someone else helpful will probably beat me to it).


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skyjack71

Dec 11, 2006, 5:40 PM
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Thank You to everyone. Really having a time with this contraption - not at all like my old windows 98 with its kodax imaging system...used to be relative simple.

Scanned the photos the other night and now I can't even find them - they come up in the oddest places.

Will send the photos to the individual who sent me a private email - that is easier for me to download to with AOL and Epson.


Zing  (D 6343)

Dec 13, 2006, 6:10 PM
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The Hunt For D B Cooper is on the Discovery Times Channel right now. The sow is using some of the photos Skyjack71 has put on here.


Erroll

Dec 13, 2006, 9:38 PM
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In reply to:
The sow is using some of the photos Skyjack71 has put on here.

You don't like the (female) presenter very much?Tongue


skyjack71

Dec 13, 2006, 10:46 PM
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I wish I could afford cable so I could see it. Question what does sow mean - doesn't sound nice my being a country girl.

MJOSPARKY is helping me get the pics on but I can't even send them to anyone except one at a time. A real dunce I am on this new computer - live too far in the boonies to get a class.

There are pics I acquired after the documentaries were made that the Media has never had.


wmw999  (D 6296)

Dec 14, 2006, 5:02 AM
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I have a feeling it's a typo for show Sly

Wendy W.


skyjack71

Dec 19, 2006, 10:58 PM
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PICTURES - I HOPE:
If these things come thru you will see two photos side by side.

1970 - A black and white made in Columbia, S.C. - showing he was in excellent physical condition.
Please NOTE his stance - this is very important.
NOTE: Also that the hair is grey in this poor quality picture.
(I believe he may have been jumping in that area under another name.

1971 - One yr. later he has dyed hair - this was taken in the fall of 1971. Both pictures had a companion who has been cut out. He looks ready to go for the Big One.

1972 - This is a comment - tax records - he made no money in 1971 or 1972 - yet, in 1972 he bought 2 NEW cars??????
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pocbase  (B 2487)

Dec 20, 2006, 1:12 AM
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I don't understand this.

Are you saying that the B&W picture was taken before the color picture?


mark  (D 6108)

Dec 20, 2006, 1:27 PM
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In reply to:
Please NOTE his stance - this is very important.

Okay, I'll bite. Why is it important?

Mark


skyjack71

Dec 20, 2006, 9:40 PM
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Yes, the BLACK & WHITE was taken in 1970 and the colored photo in 1971. STRANGE isn't it. I have yet another photo to post that was taken in 1968 and you will find that even more odd. He was a chameleon. Wait till you see other photos taken during our marriage of 17 yrs. I am down in my back and not able to sit at the computer very long tonight, but within a few days you will see more photos.


skyjack71

Dec 20, 2006, 9:59 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Please NOTE his stance - this is very important.

Okay, I'll bite. Why is it important?

Mark


Look closely at the legs - they seem to bend backwards....It is not prominent unless you are looking for it. I have often wanted to know if one of the witnesses, especially Tina Mucklow noticed this as she watched him preparing the chutes and the bundle which he tied to himself. Was this ever mentioned to the FBI? Not that I am aware of.

There was something else (not the legs) about Cooper that was never revealed by the FBI, but was told to Doug Pasternak by the artist who did the composite regarding something about Cooper's features.

When I was talking to Doug (he was a reporter for the US News and World Reports) -I immediately blurted out what it was before Doug could tell me.
It was the deciding moment that caused me to go public in 2000. There is no way I could have picked this one thing about Duane that would be the exact thing that the artist felt that he was not able to depict. I know that chills went up and down my spine from my head to my heals and still do every time I remember that moment and that conversation.

I cannot reveal what it is to the public, because I would like to hear one of the stewardesses say it myself. Tina has refused to look at pictures of Duane and I have not forced them on her - she was a young girl and this was a traumatic thing for her.

I am always hoping she will change her mind or that a friend will encourage her to look at the Photos of Duane L. Weber (not the photos that the FBI has, but the photos that I am revealing).


skyjack71

Dec 20, 2006, 10:18 PM
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In reply to the many private emails that I have recieved. Duane was in the NAVY and recieved a BAD CONDUCT Discharge and a few months later he was in the ARMY. Status of ARMY discharge unknown.

I am at this site to see if anyone can put him at a drop zone from 1945 until 1971. My sole purpose in being on this site is to accomplish that one thing that the FBI failed to do - except that I have something the FBI didn't have. ACTUAL PHOTOS of a suspect and not a composite.

I need for ALL OF YOU TO HELP get these PHOTOS to as many old TIMERS as possible - especially those who do not have access to or use a computer.


mark  (D 6108)

Dec 21, 2006, 6:53 AM
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In reply to:
Duane was in the NAVY and received a BAD CONDUCT Discharge and a few months later he was in the ARMY.

A Bad Conduct Discharge must be adjudged by special or general court-martial. I am astonished that someone with a BCD could enlist again at all, let alone so soon after conviction. What did he do to earn a BCD?

Mark


skyjack71

Dec 21, 2006, 9:31 PM
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NAVY Bad Conduct discharge - family rumor has it he hit an officer (in time of war) off base with a bottle of liquor because the officer was messing with Duane's girl friend or lady of the evening.

His birth certificate had been altered by the family to show him to be of legal age to enlist - he was a problem child and the youngest of 3. From a letter written to his mother Thanking her for the $1. and for laudering his clothes which he told her he had outgrown - he states " keep his where-abouts a secret and that this boy was going to make good" leads me to believe that there had been problems at home.

I have been told of the many escapades he pulled as a child - pushing a piano down a flight of stairs at school because he didn't like the teacher in the 2ed grade. Another story regarded this same time span - that he took a baseball bat and broke all of the windows in the school. This sounds like a very troublesome child.

I do not know what problems existed that he was running from at the ripe old age of 17 that would have necessitated changing his birth certificate to read that he had been born in 1924 - the family records read 1925. Supposedly so he could enlist.

As for the ARMY - I understand he commandered an officer's jeep for a joy ride. These things come from my own research and locating family member I had never met. Those dealing with the service are documented in his records.

PHOTO - MADE IN 1968 - LOCATION UNKNOW. Was taken after his release from Jefferson City Federal Prison in Mo. Sentence was Commuted. QUESTION - WOULD HE NOT HAVE BEEN ON PAROLE?

Note the salt and pepper hair yet in 1971 it has been dyed a very dark brown and slicked down.


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skyjack71

Dec 26, 2006, 1:35 AM
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PHOTOS: I am trying hope these can be seen
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skyjack71

Dec 29, 2006, 4:40 PM
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Guys and Gals - give me some feed back on the panoramic. Note the composites have some fade to them and one of them the computer enhanced to show too dark.

The composites I posted on the site the FBI sent to me yrs after I first contacted them - NOTE THAT I WENT PULIC WITHOUT EVER HAVING SEEN THE TWO COMPOSITES THAT WERE POSTED.

All I had was the old Bing Crosby look alike and a black and white postage stamp size copy (from a newpaper) of the composites that they finally provided to me. When I opened that envelope - I fell to my knees in my yard. My daughter thought I was having a heart attack. All I could say was LOOK LOOK LOOK and held the composites up to her with trembling hands.
Her response was "He was Cooper". Until that day I think that maybe she didn't belive me.



NickDG  (D 8904)

Dec 30, 2006, 5:59 AM
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Hi Joe,

It's obvious the passion you have for this but I think this board may be the wrong place for it. While I see the parachute connection makes this an obvious place most here are too young to get excited about it. It's like asking for fresh information on John Dillinger or Al Capone on a hip-hop gangsta site . . .

Joe, you should put this in front of the world and that means a stand alone website. You'd still only be fishing, but you'd be dropping your hook into a much larger pond. Website names like DBCooper.com, "net" and "info" all seem to be in the hands of cyber squatters but DBCooper.us is an available URL – and would probably get hundreds, and eventually thousands, of times more eyeballs than anything you posted here.

Another thing, Joe, and I'm apologizing in advance for being blunt, but if you want people to take you seriously you should dial down what comes across in your writings as a bit of hysteria and your being too convinced Duane was/is Cooper.

People will be more apt to respond if they think you have more of an open mind. Again, you may not really be that way, but on the internet a book "is" judged by its cover and you need someone to filter your passion for public consumption.

I would think, compared to the rest of the Cooper websites that already exist, yours would be of more interest than most if it was presented correctly. And I'm sure there is some tech savvy person out there who'd love to sink their teeth into this – but you limiting yourself by trying to find that person on DZ.com.

Once the natural lifespan of DB Cooper passes, which is right about now, the whole thing will morph from fact into legend. So, for your sake, the time to act is now. And either Duane was Cooper or he wasn't. And the way to go about it is, if you find out he was, you win, and if you find out he wasn't, you win too. There's no third way to look at it.

Good luck, Joe . . .

NickD Smile
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skyjack71

Dec 30, 2006, 10:37 PM
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Again thanks for your suggestion about a web site:

Everytime I plug D. B. Cooper into the search engines I come up with a lot of junk sites and blogs. What you do not realize is that I have gleaned a lot of information - by private email from people who do not want to participate on line

I would never have found these people if it had not been for this site.

I have a few more photos to scan and post then I will wait for private messages - like some of the leads I have recieved already.

I will answer questions and would like answers to some of the questions I have already asked such as survival of the jump with weather conditions as POSTED not by the FBI, but by the actual weather report.

Remember ALL I am asking is for your help getting the information to the OLD TIMERS who are not computer savy....by way of meetings and any other means you have.

This is why I at DropZone History and Trivia.

I am open to options about Cooper, and I check-out each one diligently....go back and read the thread from beginning to end and then judge me not. Help Me.


NelKel  (D 25024)

Jan 2, 2007, 2:16 AM
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Jo, you have my interest, I have just read all 6 pages and looked at all of the photos. I will continue to follow your thread. I wish you good luck on your search. There are no really old times here that I am familiar with to ask, but I will keep your plea for help in mind if I ever come across an old timer.

Your husband passed in 1995? His skyjacking was in 1971? That was a long time ago; I have a few questions for you?

You were married in 1978? You said 17 years of marriage. I deduce.

The photo you referred to with his leg seeming to be bent backwards... Looks to me like he has on a prostitic, or the photo was taken on a weird angle and the camera didn't capture everything. I say that because the leg looks skinny compared to the other, and the shoe is wrong. I realize you were married at an older age and was a second marriage, so that the reason for my next question, and I don't want to offend you with this but..

Have you ever seen him undressed, did he have a prostitic leg?

I have studied the photos on the panoramic on page 6 and can not see any facial features that would make it hard for a sketch artist to reproduce. Except for the older on in black and white.. His face seems distorted slightly on his left side, or kind of like your reflection through one of those fun house mirrors. Is that it?

You wrote that if you knew for sure you would have his remains something or other. Did you have him creamated?


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skyjack71

Jan 2, 2007, 10:24 PM
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("The photo you referred to with his leg seeming to be bent backwards... Looks to me like he has on a prostitic, or the photo was taken on a weird angle and the camera didn't capture" )

Nelkel,

He had a slight backward knee syndrome - at least that is what I have been told it was called. This did not affect the functions of his legs nor did it keep him from joining the armed forces twice.

Those photos are the only ones I could find from that time span of his life 1970 and 1971. I realize that the quality of the prints are poor.

The main point I am trying to make with the two standing photos - is the drastic change in his looks. BK & WHT 1970 looks old - Colored 1971 he has dyed his hair and he looks very different.

November 24, 1971 - Date of Skyjack


skyjack71

Jan 6, 2007, 10:32 PM
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The opinion of the forum members is being requested. It was recently suggested to me that I should re-contact Tina Mucklow the stewardess who had the most contact with "Cooper".

The only contact I had with her was 3 yrs ago - she refused to view any photo's. I made a phone call and she called me back then I sent her a letter - a very nice letter without any photos as I felt that it should be her choice. I am not so unkind or abrasive as to inflict the photos on her without her permission.

She was very young and her life has been - a not so normal life because of the "Cooper" thing. She has requested that the FBI not contact her anymore. I was told by the ACTIVE FBI when they - were reviewing Duane's file that they did not know where she was...? (they were abiding by her request I assume).

I found her with the help of one of my un-named angels ( individuals who refuse to give their names but supply me with information that is not readily accessible to me).

She is the only one who is going to have the answers that I need. It was suggest that I should contact her again but in-person, as I come across much more convincing in person and that she will see that this has also destroyed my life and that I need answers.

12 yrs of research and loosing business and relationships - those close friends who know me know that I cannot stop till I die, but know also that I need to enjoy what is left of my life.

This stewardess has the answers if she is willing to talk to me and view the photos that I have never made public and things that I feel he may have said. Phases, movements, actions, habits, wording and a couple of things that I feel he may have said to her.

He knew very well that she might be the last person on the face of this earth that he would ever see. I do truly believe that something was said that was profound on his part - she was such a young girl to carry the burden this has created.

I would also like to have my life back or what is left of it. I know it is a choice - my choice as I have to know the truth even if I can never speak of the truth.
We make choices in life - I just can't walk away from this until I have the truth - and for the FBI to FINISH it's investigation.

I do very much need for her to look me in the eyes and talk to me. She is not the only one whose life Duane changed - she is not the only one who hurts - my heart aches with the memory of all that I have found out about the man I was married to....I need to know that these 12 yrs of research and my 17 yrs of marriage to this man were not totally invain.

I am not sure I can handle the pain of NOT knowing much longer.


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skyjack71

Jan 8, 2007, 11:50 PM
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Airtwardo says:
Cool
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Imagine being married to someone that you 'thought' you knew and were close to, living a 'normal' life....then your mate takes ill and passes.

You begin doing some basic research to find out just how much of, that part of, YOUR LIFE may have been a lie, the deeper you dig the more you come to understand that pretty much your entire life, for that period of time anyway....

...could have been a sham, or at least not what you were led to believe, by the person you most trusted.

Wouldn't you too want to know the TRUTH about YOUR life?

The D.B. Cooper that WE turned into a folklore anti-hero may have been the guy this woman gave her heart to under false pretences. Jo Weber didn't even know who D.B. Cooper WAS when her husband claimed to be him...If anyone has a interest in knowing the truth...SHE DOES.

In reply to:
Smile
To All the Guys and Dolls (old and young), who have taken the time to stop by and give me a helping hand or encouragement or just a good dose of Reality.......Thank You.

I received several suggestions by email to contact a certain person named Ralph with a 503 area code. Can anyone verifiy that the phone number is correct? Perhaps there was a problem with the circuits.

Since there have been so many telling me to contact this person I now feel compelled to try and contact him again.

It is my intention to contact several politicians - with photos and a letter asking for help in getting the FBI to check-out certain things that I have repetively ask of them. I expect them to just toss my mail and request - may be money and time ill spent.


I have never been able to find out where the other attendant is living. Her name was Florence Shaffner at the time, but that has changed. Although she has according to articles identifies a couple of others as being Cooper, I still want to talk to her. Talking to someone who might actually know the person and be able to relate characterists that can not be put into a composite and with actual photos of a suspect - is a bird of a different color.

Does anyone know where I might locate Florence Shaffner?


NickDG  (D 8904)

Jan 9, 2007, 6:14 AM
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>>I have never been able to find out where the other attendant is living. Her name was Florence Shaffner<<

Here's a lead, Joe;

http://www.bonesville.net/...2_George_Wheeler.htm

I found this in 2-seconds by searching with Google for "Florence Shaffner flight attendant"

Look toward the bottom of the article . . .

NickD Smile
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skyjack71

Jan 12, 2007, 10:31 PM
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I followed that lead which is 5 yrs old. It took me to two phone numbers - one of which is no longer in service and the other number claimed no knowledge of the parties I asked for.

A young man contacted me from Texas - and something he said to me regarding the "Norjax" book that he was reading - was exactly what I felt when viewing a picture of the plane while it was on the ground. This triggered a memory that I may never have told anyone before regarding the Sentimental Journey Duane and I went on in 1979 only 4 months prior to the money being found on the banks of the Columbia - another place we went on that trip among many others.

He was showing me around Seattle (no map needed) and he said he was going to take a short cut - this short cut went behind the airport and there was this Tall fence...he noted that some thing had changed but did not mention Cooper -. Now I know why he took me to that area - that is where the plane was taxied to. I thought this little detour was strange and NOW I know why.


skyjack71

Jan 19, 2007, 10:24 PM
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SmileInteresting Conversations: I have had a few very interesting conversations and know not where these conversations are going, but I have been busy researching new information. Sorry I haven't scanned the rest of the photos and downloaded them, but would like some feed back on the ones already posted.

WinkYou guys are helping me solve this - I feel I am Closer than I have ever been. Due diligence - putting the truth to work - and never giving up even when the odds are against you - demanding unrelentlessly that the truth be told. This has been the my life since May 24 1966 - one yr and 2 months after Duane died. 12 yrs of pounding the pavement is starting to pay off.

SlySome of the things I have kept confidential are now coming to light. Why are things being kept secret in a crime that is 35 yrs old - why would our government allow this? This does not require an answer.


skyjack71

Jan 22, 2007, 9:34 PM
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SmileI recieved a request from NBC regarding a show to be done on "COOPER".

UnsureSome of you have seen the documentaries and news clips from the past - I do not interview well and they only use about 2 or 3 minutes of 4 hrs plus taping. It is also very stressful - with the health of my spouse and myself I am not sure what I am going to do.

WinkI want to suggest that they show photo's of Duane and Cooper. Like the panoramic that I posted and the two standing photos (showing the drastic difference in his appearance in 1 yr). That I put a story with each photo. This would be much better for me under the present circumstances and I think the photo's will say it all.

Bear in mind that there will be a few photo's that have never been seen by the public. One of these photo's presents a puzzle or several clues.

Cool P.S. If they can arrange a meeting with Tina and Florence (both of the attendants - I would jump - NOT out of a plane, but at the chance.)

What do you guys think?????


skyjack71

Jan 27, 2007, 8:55 PM
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Made a serious error on date:

"You guys are helping me solve this - I feel I am Closer than I have ever been. Due diligence - putting the truth to work - and never giving up even when the odds are against you - demanding unrelentlessly that the truth be told. This has been the my life since May 24 1966 (should be 1996) - one yr and 2 months after Duane died. 12 yrs of pounding the pavement is starting to pay off."

ERROR:Sorry, I made a boo-boo. It shoud be "this has been my life since May 24 1996 - one yr and 2 months after Duane died.


skyjack71

Jan 27, 2007, 10:01 PM
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PHOTO CLUES - BE SURE TO LOOK HARD AT THIS PHOTO- FIND THE CLUES - glasses, brief case and 2 door green chevy (it appears tan because of the sun, but look at the sides). The woman's face has been rubbed out to protect her idenity. The photo was made in 1971.

The green Chevy - is not significant to the Cooper Caper, but I am making note in this forum for my own reasons.
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nitrochute  (D License)

Jan 27, 2007, 10:21 PM
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ummm that green "chevy" is actually a plymouth duster.


Zing  (D 6343)

Jan 27, 2007, 10:22 PM
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Except it says "DODGE" on the trunk deck.


labrys  (D 29848)

Jan 27, 2007, 10:46 PM
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I think it's a Dodge Demon


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Jan 28, 2007, 12:14 AM
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she said the car was not significant... but damned if I can figure out what the clues are...


hmmm was the briefcase full of cash? Tongue


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nitrochute  (D License)

Jan 28, 2007, 8:35 AM
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 it may be a demon ,but the plymouth duster and the dodge demon are the same car ,manufactured by the same company,just badged different.geez.


nitrochute  (D License)

Jan 28, 2007, 8:44 AM
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my computer screen doesnt have that great a resolution,so i cant read it. i am going by the shape of the body. the only difference between a demon and a duster is the slots on the taillites.one is vertcal the other car horizontal .BUT they are both chrysler products and NOT chevy/gm.but who cares?


skyjack71

Jan 28, 2007, 4:10 PM
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WinkThanks for the car ID. I thought it was a Chevy, but too many of you say Dodge . I know nothing about cars, but I had been told it was Chevy and accepted that. Since it is a Dodge - that killed one of my theories.

CoolThe clues - the glasses. The other one is the briefcase - I have no idea what the briefcase looked like that Cooper had other than it was cheap and ordinary so that doesn't help.

UnsureThat only leaves the Glasses - I enlarged them and turned them around and they are exactly like the ones on the composite.

Why this lady chose to send me this particular photo regarding Duane's past I know not. She told me it was so I could see what she looked like. I read too much into it. Frown

Again thanks for putting me on track with the right information - this is what I need - second opinions and others who know more about certain subjects than I could possibly know.Crazy


Zing  (D 6343)

Jan 28, 2007, 6:11 PM
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You keep digging Jo, and those of us who can will keep trying to lend you a hand where we can.


itllclear  (D 6366)

Jan 28, 2007, 8:11 PM
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I can't see from the downloaded photo, but what state are the plates on the car from?


skyjack71

Jan 28, 2007, 10:13 PM
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The car tag is covered by the picture and frame. since this photo was made in the Atlanta, Ga. area I would assume - Georgia. Some people carried Alabama tags to get around the insurance. Does anyone have any idea what yr the car would be. Since he was living and working in S.C. part of that time it might be a S.C. tag.

Thank You my Friends.


bozo  (D 10154)

Jan 29, 2007, 8:30 AM
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In reply to:
The car tag is covered by the picture and frame. since this photo was made in the Atlanta, Ga. area I would assume - Georgia. Some people carried Alabama tags to get around the insurance. Does anyone have any idea what yr the car would be. Since he was living and working in S.C. part of that time it might be a S.C. tag.

Thank You my Friends.

The demon is a 1971 as is the car parked to the left which is a Swinger.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Jan 29, 2007, 9:12 AM
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In the photo, compare the car on the left to this car;
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~cirillo/dartpics.htm

Car on the right with;
http://www.foundationpc.com/brochure/71dmnad2.jpg


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bozo  (D 10154)

Jan 29, 2007, 9:35 AM
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In reply to:
In the photo, compare the car on the left to this car;
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~cirillo/dartpics.htm

Car on the right with;
http://www.foundationpc.com/brochure/71dmnad2.jpg

I didnt have to even look at the pictures. I used to race Mopars. I knew the years. The best car I ever owned was a 1969 Roadrunner 440 Magnum.


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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Jan 29, 2007, 10:10 AM
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I knew that you knew what you were talking about.

What I wanted to do was provide an independent source for her to confirm the information.

For instance, if somebody had said, "The car on the right is a 1970 Dodge Challenger" she may have simply taken them at their word and lead her on a wild goose chase. Providing links to confirm information makes the entire endeavor a bit easier overall.

I think a huge portion of Jo's problems are that people have sent her a number of items she simply can't deal with; this photo with "clues" being one of them. There are no "clues" in to the photo. The glasses are meaningless. Thousands upon thousands of people wore glasses with frames like that in that time period. To attempt to connect the frames in that photo with the frames in the police artist sketch is futile and would never lead anywhere.


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skyjack71

Jan 29, 2007, 1:44 PM
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Quade states:

"There are no "clues" in to the photo. The glasses are meaningless. Thousands upon thousands of people wore glasses with frames like that in that time period. To attempt to connect the frames in that photo with the frames in the police artist sketch is futile and would never lead anywhere"

Jo replies: Cool

There are Clues: - if you understood the circumstances - The photo is taken (so it says on the back 1970) but that has been crossed out to read 1971. I think it was made in 1972 BECAUSE: -- In 1969, 1970 and 1971 they made very little MONEY - 1971 there was basically no income ( I have the tax records - for some reason he kept them from 1969 until his death in 1995).

Your response and that of others who astutely corrected my error about this vehicle being a Chevy have provided more clues than you can possibly imagine.

How could a person or couple afford 2 new cars with NO CREDIT and no income? Again thank You ALL.

As for the photos of Duane - being compared with the composite - comparison was done by the Las Vegas ID system using Duane and other suspects - Duane came out number 1. Also that 2 forensic artist and the artists who did the composite for the FBI - "say you can't get any closer" and comments about a certain feature the witnesses told the artist about. but he was unable to get this across in the composite. I very quickly identified this one "feature" without being told what it was. It was one of the deciding points in my investigation.

I knew this was the place to be - the knowledge that this forum contains is beyond compare. I am eternally grateful for all of your help. Wink


JohnRich  (D License)

Jan 29, 2007, 3:19 PM
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In reply to:
How could a person or couple afford 2 new cars with NO CREDIT and no income?

That photo appears to be a flea market, where people with little money go to sell unused household items to help make ends meet. Wouldn't that contradict the image that he was living lavishly off of a stash of stolen cash?

I'm not trying to give you a hard time - just asking a question that others are going to ask you about that photo.

I've been following this thread with great interest.


bozo  (D 10154)

Jan 29, 2007, 3:56 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
How could a person or couple afford 2 new cars with NO CREDIT and no income?

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She also told us the guy was a crook. Those two cars sitting there, if they did belong to Duane would only amount to a total of about $5000 bucks, for the pair.
He could have stolen that cash somewhere.


skyjack71

Jan 29, 2007, 10:54 PM
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What I am going by is - if indeed the two cars are new - he did not have the W-2's or 1099's to support the purchase of those cars in 1971, 1970 or 1972 except to have obtained it by other means. In 1971 the joint income was only $3700......yes, he was a thief as I have learned, but he was never very good at it as he ended up in 6 different Federal pens. from 1945 until 1968 -Served 17 yrs in a 23 yr span.

Having learned from you guys that those cars were considered new in those lean yrs is odd....(I just thought they were old used cars of those days)...Dumb Broad Syndrome!Shocked

Even if they only cost the total of $5000 back then - one has to consider the income. $5000 seems like peanuts today, but it was a small fortune considering the income.Unimpressed


skyjack71

Jan 29, 2007, 11:38 PM
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Rich says:

"Wouldn't that contradict the image that he was living lavishly off of a stash of stolen cash?"


Jo Weber says:

In the insurance industry he was offered a position as a State Manager and he told me he could not take it as he had to "keep a low profile". I did not understand this because I was under the impression that he had gone to jail for a couple of months because he got in with the wrong people...never dreamed that I would someday learn 17 Yrs and six Federal Pens.

I encouraged him to take the position - which he NEVER regreted. We made good money (very good in those yrs) until he went out on disability in 1988.
Taking the position he grew a very thick mustache and let his hair get fuller and longer...he did not look like the same man. This was during the time that 2 books about Cooper came on the market.

Now I know what he meant by "low profile". He had learned how to HIDE - not to be visible - he survived when he thought he was going to die.


skyjack71

Feb 2, 2007, 9:38 PM
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Photos obtained from family members and prison files. Help Me Identify this Man: This is photo I made of a man at one of our conventions in Colorado. He was a diabetic at that time in 1978 and his health was poor.

This man knew Duane from WA, OR and MT. I do not know the dates of their acquaintance as he inadvertenly mentioned it in a coversation when I asked how he knew Duane. I do not remember much of the conversation as we were only alone a few minutes, but this man had something to do with the aviation field....mechanic, repairman - may have been a helicopter or plane pilot. I remember his eyes the most - the shade of blue.
Before Duane returned he asked me not to mention our conversation to Duane - since Duane had never mentioned having lived in those areas - that it may have been a part of his life he didn't want to share with me.

The name was Ed Hurand (not sure of the spelling) and I don't know what the Ed stood for. The Hurand may be spelled Horand, Horan or any other variation you can find. Perhaps someone out there has more capabilities than I have in finding people. I know he would be deceased and that he would have been born in the 1924 to 1930 range as he was near Duane's age.

I have already checked the SS records. The name may have been an alias.

Please help Get this photo to any Old Timers you know in that area.
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mattmais

Feb 3, 2007, 6:22 AM
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I read the on another board. Don't people that search for antiques go to flea markets?

"I think that many profilers who have analyzed Cooper have suggested that he might be someone who was probably interested in antiques

Popeye"


skyjack71

Feb 3, 2007, 6:04 PM
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Mattmais writes: "I read the on another board. Don't people that search for antiques go to flea markets?

"I think that many profilers who have analyzed Cooper have suggested that he might be someone who was probably interested in antiques."

Jo Weber replys:Smile

I know of no such analyzes - or profiling. I am posting here for information regarding any skyjumping Duane L. Weber or his AKA's may have been involved in.

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skypuppy  (D 347)

Feb 4, 2007, 9:26 AM
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Almost looks like Bill Cole to me. LOL.

(I'm pretty sure it isn't. Bill isn't dead, for one thing, and wouldn't be old enough. But maybe Chuteless will comment.)


chuteless  (D 41)

Feb 5, 2007, 10:48 AM
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No its not me....I think.

Shortly after D.B. got his cash, a guy wrote an article about me, titled " How I would Hijack An Aircraft for $200,000. and Get Away With It". No one would publish the article. He took photos of me dressed and looking (quite) like the picture that was first published ( an artist sketch) with the thin tie, dark glasses etc,....... and also pix of me carrying my rig at Pearson Intnl Airport, holding a ticket for a flight in my hand,..... also one of me with rig buying flight insurance.

I don't think they were ever used.


Bill Cole LOL as I fade into the sunset..LOL lol lol


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skyjack71

Feb 5, 2007, 9:34 PM
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Quote:
No its not me....I think.

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Bill Cole LOL as I fade into the sunset..LOL lol lol

SmileThanks Guys I really needed a little humor today.
Mr. Cole, Did you really REALLY do that? If so I would love a copy of the pic.

AND if you are one of the old timers have you looked at the photos of Duane and the one of the other man - do you recognize them?Cool


chuteless  (D 41)

Feb 6, 2007, 8:02 AM
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If you are asking about whether or not I did the hijacking...no comment

If you are asking if the journalist wrote the story and took the photos, that part is very true.

Unfortunately, I cannot locate the journalist who wrote " How I Would Hijack a Plane for $200,000. and Get Away With It".

I was asked to try to find him about two years ago, and just do not know where he is now. I would like to have had a copy of his article, but never thought it would be of interest in 2007.



I don't know if I am considered an "Old Timer", but I sure feel old at times.


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BillyVance  (D 18895)

Feb 6, 2007, 10:01 AM
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In reply to:
If you are asking about whether or not I did the hijacking...no comment

If you are asking if the journalist wrote the story and took the photos, that part is very true.

Unfortunately, I cannot locate the journalist who wrote " How I Would Hijack a Plane for $200,000. and Get Away With It".

I was asked to try to find him about two years ago, and just do not know where he is now. I would like to have had a copy of his article, but never thought it would be of interest in 2007.

I don't know if I am considered an "Old Timer", but I sure feel old at times.

If you know the name of the journalist, it may be possible to find him with a little research...


skyjack71

Feb 9, 2007, 12:02 AM
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"Photos obtained from family members and prison files."

This photo was taken around 1976. Please compare to the 1971 photo which showed his hair dyed and then compare with the black and white from 1970 which showed gray hair.

The quality of the photo is poor and it makes the eyes appear blue, but they were a DARK Black Brown.


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skyjack71

Feb 9, 2007, 2:50 PM
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Photo taken about 1981. He is leaning over so this is not the best profile. Shocked Look at the slanting forehead - there is a better profile. but with mustache (the profile is higher in other photos).

He grew a mustache when the book NORJAX came out in the 80's.

The composite artist tried to depict the forehead. Note that Duane was much heavier in 1981 than he was in 1971.


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skyjack71

Feb 10, 2007, 10:34 PM
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Photos: After the 2 photos I am attaching to this post, there wil be 5 more photos...saving the best for last.

Cool #1. Sent to me by a family member
Estimate age guess would be early 20's.

Unimpressed #2. A strange photo found in the
Canon City Federal Prison in Colorado.

We have no explanation of WHY this is in
file.
This is the same prison 1960 to
1962 that has caused us some concern...in
1961 we have been able to doument him in
Miami Florida (dressed to the hilt)...this
information was from a reliable family friend
who placed Duane at Fontane Blue Night Club
in Miami during a critical time in history -
The Bay of Pigs.


Why would a prison take his photo
like this?


Does anyone know who the Ferret Man is?
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Zing  (D 6343)

Feb 10, 2007, 10:50 PM
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The Canon City photo looks more like a staff photo than an inmate mug shot. Any chance Duane had some kind of professional association with the prison other than as a guest of the government?


mattmais

Feb 11, 2007, 5:34 AM
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this is from a webside

http://www.supermegatopia.com/profiles/profiles.php?thisLink=ferretman.txt

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Ferret Man Real Name: Alexander Vayne
Occupation: Vigilante
Base of Operations: Unknown
Marital Status: Married

The first vigilante to come to Distopia, Ferret Man single-handedly reduced the crime rate forty percent in three bloody years. In gratitude the city chose not to bring him up on several hundred charges of murder and instead erected a statue in his honor in what is now Memorial Park. Early in his career he took on two sidekicks: Sable Lass, who disappeared thirty some years ago, and Mongoose Lad, who still fights crime in the city to this day, along with Ferret Man's grandson and inheritor of the legacy: Weasel Boy. Ferret Man himself has been unseen for the past three years.


pocbase  (B 2487)

Feb 11, 2007, 9:01 AM
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Hey man, that's a bit nasty; Don't read if you don't like.


skyjack71

Feb 11, 2007, 7:24 PM
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ShockedThat was interesting, but not what I was looking for but within the same theme.

CoolThe Ferret Man was in tight with the Mafia, but worked both sides. A journalist who referred to him as Ferret Man was found dead after she interviewed another man in regards to an incident in the 60's.

ShockedDuane claimed to have known this journalist and because of his reaction to my - affectionately calling him Mouse during those last few months (he was skin and bones and the most prominent feature was the ears). He went into a rage that I didn't understand and told me never to call him that again.

It was only during my research the last few yrs that I found a reference to Ferret Man in a story written about this journalist after she died and who I think was Murdered by the same people Duane was involved with.

I believe he may have walked a line between the Mafia and certain covert groups.

SmilePrior to his death and in the early yrs of my research I was unaware of this woman's involvements and knew nothing of the Ferret Man. She was just a name of a journalist to me that Duane claimed to have known when he was a doorman. He took her paper to her door in the mornings.

I ran her name and read upon her. Things that Duane had said over the yrs jump out at me.

PirateThis was not in the beginning of my research into the underworld (note that I had already had my life threatened upon trying to extract information from a man who knew Duane as John. He told me "Duane knew people in High Places and if you want to be around to play with your grandkids someday then you need to destroy everything and not look back"

This threat came to me in the early yrs after Duane died when the only means of research I had was the telephone. In 2000 I got a computer and it woud be 2004 when I looked this woman up. Needless to say it was a strange coincidence.

The Ferret Man and Mouse and his having known the lady...I had already connected him to other covert actions. Upon verbalizing this information to some one I got another warning.


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skyjack71

Feb 13, 2007, 10:47 PM
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PARACHUTES? Does anyone know where I can view parachutes of the late 60's up to 1971. Duane had an item in his desk...I put in on a garage sale after he died. The man who paid me a quarter said it was a clip of some kind for a parachute - but, of course the dumb bunny (me) didn't connect that with what he told me in the hospital - I had pushed it out of my mind.

I tried to find the man, but I didn't have a name - all I knew was he collected military memorabila and that this item was use on a parachute. He could have been a snow bird down for the winter and not a local. This was in 1995 in the spring after Duane died.

I was told to go to a military museum but the ones around here do not have many chutes and can't help me. This item had what I call a chain (very sturdy)with two ends - one end had a ring and the other end is hard for me to remember - I have tried so hard to remember it.

Is there a place on- line I could find?

CrazyI had to come back to edit this- I remembered something - one of the ends had a very precisioned piece that moved - this movable piece had ridges or some kind of texture to make it easy to feel and move it. Cool


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itllclear  (D 6366)

Feb 14, 2007, 6:45 AM
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Para Gear near Chicago sells hardware.

Try their web site: http://paragear.com and see if any of the pictures of hardware look familiar.


skyjack71

Feb 14, 2007, 4:35 PM
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I went to that site, but I didn't find anything.

UnimpressedThey were shiny - like new condition. So upon going to some of the sites I would say that they were high grade metal. One I believe was triangle shaped - I think, but my memory is dull on this. The other end was retangular. They were connected by what I call a chain - he may have connected these two items himself as reminders. He may have cut them off of the chute.One of these items had a slide that had ridges, but I don't remember which one - I do remember playing with the slide thing.

UnsureAlso in the drawer was a hook, but not connected to the other items...it appeared to very common....like the hook on a dog leash, but very smooth,

SmileIn some of the sites I did find something that is a clue to another item that I still have - I didn't know what it was - now I have to find it....I remarried 5 yrs ago so a lot of the stuff is in storage. For some reason I kept this thing which I will not identify on-line.

CoolYou know before I go looking for these items - the man who provided the chutes should take pictures of hardware that may have been on the chutes that Cooper use - One used and the other cut open for its cords....they could also take pictures of items not on those chutes. Then have me try to ID the items from the pictures - I would need sizes - like 1 inch or 2 inch. I am sure that the hardware from those chutes would be unique to others of the time and since 1971.

If anyone knows how to contact this man if he is still living - please do.


Zing  (D 6343)

Feb 14, 2007, 6:33 PM
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There is a thing called a Koch fitting that was used on military style parachute risers. It attached the riser to the harness, was a machined metal fitting with ridges on the slide that activated the riser release.
The only thing missing is the chain, but I don't see why a Koch fitting couldn't be attached to a chain.
I don't have a picture of one, or access to one of those fittings anymore, but maybe someone here does.


itllclear  (D 6366)

Feb 14, 2007, 7:33 PM
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did you go through ALL the pages of hardware?

Look on the left side of the screen, click on hardware. There are 14 pages!

Here's the link to page 1 http://www.paragear.com/...group=34&level=1


JohnRich  (D License)

Feb 15, 2007, 10:32 AM
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In reply to:
I went to that site, but I didn't find anything.

UnimpressedThey were shiny - like new condition. So upon going to some of the sites I would say that they were high grade metal. One I believe was triangle shaped - I think, but my memory is dull on this. The other end was retangular. They were connected by what I call a chain - he may have connected these two items himself as reminders. He may have cut them off of the chute.One of these items had a slide that had ridges, but I don't remember which one - I do remember playing with the slide thing.

How about one of these?

1) Rocket Jet release
2) Koch fitting
3) Quick release box
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skyjack71

Feb 15, 2007, 9:44 PM
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Rich, Thank your, but it is not one of these. It was much simpler and looked nothing like those 3 items.

From the on-line site I would say that it looked more like a Delta Ring and Link or Dee Ring and link. For some reason I wrote down a rapid slide link - what in the devil do they use something like that for. NOTHING I saw was like the items in his desk, but would be in the family of items I have just mentioned.

I remember the slide being a very precisioned item.
I cannot remember exactly what connected the two items or how. The larger item is still dull in my mind.
I do feel if I ever see one or feel it I will remember.
I guess I am looking for a needle in a haystack.


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IanHarrop  (C 1152)

Feb 16, 2007, 6:14 PM
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Here's apicture of a Rapide Link. The fat part slides up to the threaded part and then screws tight.

http://djassociates.thomasnet.com/...steel?&forward=1


skyjack71

Feb 16, 2007, 9:51 PM
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SmileThe link was more rectangular and the slide had ridges that crossed each other. It was very shiny and smooth. I went to a lot of sites and I am getting myself confused. I need to actually see these things and be able to touch and feel and to view only those of the late 60's and early 70's - so that I do not mess with my mind (more so than I have).Crazy

SmileI did get to see some pics of parachute harnesses and different releases - of course these are all the new items, not those of the 60's. I now have an idea of what he had in that desk drawer - just would like to see actual chutes and harnesses like the ones that were given to Cooper. What he had in that drawer was not as complicated as those of today...I haven't got a clue what to call the things.Crazy

SmileThere is the thing that goes across the chest (with a V, hook and link) and then there are the things that go down to the groin also with this same look, but less complicated. If I had to say it was anything I have viewed it would be one of above. The size and feel of it in my hand will help. Sure wish the man had close-up photos of the chutes he sent to Cooper and I am sure that all 4 were different - I feel confident I would be able to pick it out.

Thanks so much guys and gals - this has been a real help - Until I see the real thing I am not going to look anymore - in order to keep myself on target.


Zing  (D 6343)

Feb 16, 2007, 10:13 PM
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Does anybody have the list of the types of rigs supplied to DB Cooper?

Name the rigs and/or types of gear, and pictures of the rigs are easy to locate.


Orange1  (B 2638)

Feb 17, 2007, 3:13 AM
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In reply to:
Does anybody have the list of the types of rigs supplied to DB Cooper?

Name the rigs and/or types of gear, and pictures of the rigs are easy to locate.

Most stories written for the general public wouldn't have that detail I guess. But if anyone can locate anyone who was at the parachute center specified below they might recall what was there?

Quote:
The parachute types specified by D.B. Cooper, according to author Gunther, were acquired from a sport parachute center in Issaquah, Washington-two standard emergency back-type and two chest-type auxiliary parachutes (the latter generally termed reserve chutes, for back-up emergency use if the main chute should malfunction when a sport parachutist was making a jump). The parachute center in Issaquah provided the two chest packs and Earl Cossey, a parachuting instructor at the Issaquah drop zone as well as an FAA Master Parachute Rigger, contacted at his nearby home, brought two back-type rigs from his parachute workshop there and delivered them to the parachute school. (The types and number of parachutes asked for by D.B. Cooper led to early speculation that the skyjacker might have freefall parachuting experience and that he might have an accomplice.)

from http://www.aero.com/...utes/9602/pc0296.htm


NickDG  (D 8904)

Feb 17, 2007, 7:30 AM
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Earl J. Cossey is still listed in the FAA database as a Private Pilot and Master Rigger (his seal symbol is HF9) and his last medical was in 1976. If he's still alive, or not, is another thing as the FAA is notoriously bad at keeping their records up to date. There's a rule saying they must be notified within 30-days of a certificate holder's death, but they have no power to enforce that on anyone, least of all the airman in question, as they're dead . . .

Jo, if you want his last known address PM me . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Feb 17, 2007, 6:20 PM
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Earl Cossey is alive and well; now retired in the Seattle area.

He is an old friend and I will not supply any other info without his permission.

If he is in the phonebook for the Seattle area (he's in the burbs) then go for it.

Jerry


lekstrom10k  (D 3001)

Feb 19, 2007, 1:09 PM
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 It was said that one was a Para-Commander, in a B-4 style container. DBC didnt use that one He took a 28 ft Un modified round in an emergency container . He was said to repack it on the floor tied to seats for tension. They dont know where he got out and inched the speed up to where they were amazed the Air-Stair didnt crumble. They calculated the ground winds at night were 40 mph. To jump somewhere over the world and land by gravity.backing up at 39 oscilatting doesnt seem to good an idea. The original one was kind of neat then went to hell. I jumped into a party after that and we were greeted by the police as other hi-jackers. before we landed.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Feb 19, 2007, 2:01 PM
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I'd read they were both pilot's rigs, but your version brings up some interesting clues. I'm thinking your average paratrooper of the time wouldn't know how to pack so that could mean he was either a military rigger or an older/uncurrent sport jumper not familiar enough with the PC to repack it.

But, did he really need to repack at all, as asking for more than one rig raised the possibility of his taking one of the crewmembers with him and thus ruled out sabotaging the rigs. Maybe he was just overly paranoid or in his nervousness he zapped the rig open by mistake.

On the winds, well who really knows, what they were doing where and when he landed. And even if they were high a tree landing may have made the landing more survivable then less so. The fact they've never found the parachute, besides the fact it's an awful big search area, leads me to think he landed okay, got the rig out of the tree, and buried it.

The money the young boy found in the river mud was probably planted, to make it appear he didn’t make it, and a smart thing to do in hindsight.

The FBI is/was approaching this all wrong. The denigrated the guy, as a lowdown criminal scumbag taking a wild ass chance, and mainly because he beat them. (And during a time when J. Edgar Hoover is prancing around his office in a tutu). Crazy When rather they should have thought, okay, he definitely knew what he was doing, so how did he do it?

Either way you've got to admit, of all the great mysteries of our time, this one is a doozy . . .

NickD Smile
BASE 194


skyjack71

Feb 19, 2007, 2:22 PM
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The rigs provided to Cooper: Now that I have made contact with Cossey perhaps we will get ACCURATE information about what was sent and used.

I have heard and read many different versions of the types of chutes provided and the one used. Hopefully very soon we will know the actual facts regarding this.

I requested he not send me just a picture of the chute used, but of several other chutes including those provided. If I can identify the hardware on any of those as being the items Duane kept in that drawer - and I pick the right chute ( hopefully I am able to do this)....then at least I will know the truth even if the FBI nor anyone else cares.

If this forum accomplishes no more than that it will have been worth it for ALL of us. For me it means going to my maker knowing that I have done all that I can do. For the rest of you - maybe I won't leave the legacy of "That Crazy Old Woman" and all of you will know that you did your part to help me.

I am eternally grateful to all of you wonderful kind people. Thank You - from the bottom of my heart.


airtwardo  (D License)

Feb 19, 2007, 5:28 PM
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The rigs provided to Cooper: Now that I have made contact with Cossey perhaps we will get ACCURATE information about what was sent and used.

I have heard and read many different versions of the types of chutes provided and the one used. Hopefully very soon we will know the actual facts regarding this.



In reply to:

Please keep us all updated as to your progress Jo, we are perhaps 'almost' as curious as you are...and wish you success in the quest~!


1969912

Feb 20, 2007, 8:38 PM
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I went to that site, but I didn't find anything.

UnimpressedThey were shiny - like new condition. So upon going to some of the sites I would say that they were high grade metal. One I believe was triangle shaped - I think, but my memory is dull on this. The other end was retangular. They were connected by what I call a chain - he may have connected these two items himself as reminders. He may have cut them off of the chute.One of these items had a slide that had ridges, but I don't remember which one - I do remember playing with the slide thing.




"triangle shaped"

Could it be a Capewell?

http://www.paragear.com/...e.asp?group=246#H367

A couple diferent syles are shown on that page. And didn't some have a short loop of ~1/8" aircraft cable that may be the "chain"?


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skyjack71

Feb 20, 2007, 9:54 PM
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SmileThanks 1969912 - we are getting there, Until I receive the pics from Cossey I am not looking at anymore hardware. I don't want to get confused.

TongueSince I don't know what the pieces were used for or how they look when put together - I want to keep it that way until I get his pics.

CoolThe page you sent me to was very close - I will need to see the two pieces together and to hold them and feel them. Even if I do ID the correct hardware - it will do nothing toward the FBI getting off their butts.

They have more important things to in regards to national security..

MadI think a few hours of manpower put into proving or disproving what I have told them would save time later when cranks call in saying they have Cooper. It would make them look good and bolster our confidence in our security.

ShockedThey might have to admit that an OLD woman actually did their job - they are never going to let that happen. Laugh


CReW  (D License)

Feb 20, 2007, 11:26 PM
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<<They might have to admit that an OLD woman actually did their job>>

I think the "OLD woman" IS D B Cooper.


skyjack71

Feb 22, 2007, 2:46 PM
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The Canon City photo looks more like a staff photo than an inmate mug shot. Any chance Duane had some professional association with the prison other than as a guest of the government?

SmileWell, this is the same prison that claims he was a resident there until 1962, BUT a family friend puts him else where during that time frame - ? Like a nightclub in Miami during the Bay of Pigs and he was dressed to kill, just like in the photo.

The family member was reliable and this was reported to the family during that time and documented in their records...could he have been on a special mission as an undercover agent for the government???

He had prior connections to the mafia and who better than a con-man with this prior connection to infiltrate them - in exchange for his freedom.

His connection to the mafia would continue through 1968. I am certain that in 1982 (approx) he did one last minor errand for the underworld or the government (which was the retrival of an item from a crime scene).

UnimpressedThe statement I just made above could put me in jeopardy - at this point I refuse to give in to threats.

TongueIt is time for me to speak up on things I have been closed mouth about - all of my research is documented and in the hands of more than one person. Those close to me and others know what specific incident I am referring to. The organization requesting this retrival knows what it was...but, unaware of anyone else having knowledge of it.

UnimpressedI have little to fear as most individuals involved are now deceased or so old it wouldn't make much difference....a cover-up by own government - that is a different story!

At this moment I don't know if I should delete or send ....those who don't know what I am talking about will think I have gone off the deep end. Oh, what the heck - most people think I am crazy anyway!


Zing  (D 6343)

Feb 22, 2007, 2:56 PM
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Don't worry about that, Jo. Lot of us here have been accused of being crazy, or worse. You keep digging, and we'll keep trying to help when and where we can.


skyjack71

Feb 23, 2007, 9:43 PM
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Attention Old Timers:

SmileI found the name Billy Nolan on the list in Dr. Echo's list of early divers. Does anyone have a photo of this guy? Does anyone know if he ever lived in Georgia.

Smile I have a picture of a man named Bill Nolan from the 70's - was an old friend of Duane's. Just need to know if my Bill Nolan and Billy Nolan are one and the same.

UnimpressedThis man would be deceased today because of his age in the photo taken in the mid to late 70's.


skyjack71

Feb 23, 2007, 9:54 PM
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SmileSeeking information regarding a Ray Griffin - not sure of the spelling - would probably be deceased now.

Unimpressed Is there anyway to find out if a Ray Griffin was ever listed as a skydiver?

Other names I am looking for in relation to skydiving are: G. Cowee, D. Cosgrove, B. Shepard and B Groover.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Feb 23, 2007, 10:11 PM)


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Feb 23, 2007, 10:05 PM
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In reply to:
SmileSeeking information regarding a Ray Griffin - not sure of the spelling - would probably be deceased now.

Unimpressed Is there anyway to find out if a Ray Griffin was ever listed as a skydiver?

You might try contacting USPA... http://www.uspa.org


wartload

Feb 27, 2007, 11:02 AM
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PICTURES - I HOPE:

1970 - A black and white made in Columbia, S.C. - showing he was in excellent physical condition.
Please NOTE his stance - this is very important.
NOTE: Also that the hair is grey in this poor quality picture.
(I believe he may have been jumping in that area under another name.

For what it's worth, Jo, I was jumping at various DZs in the Carolinas during that time period, and I can tell you that he would have really stood out as a "really old guy" at that point--from either photo. Most of the active skydivers were in their 20s, and the typical "old guy" was in their 30s. The POPS eligible jumpers (Parachutists Over Phorty Society) were few and far between ... and tended to be well known by everyone. They were a novelty, if you will, and most had great stories. If he was jumping in that area, at that time, someone's likely to remember him.


wartload

Feb 27, 2007, 11:46 AM
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Jo - I think that you need to eventually look at the pictures posted by 1969912 . Could the "chain thing" have actually been braided steel cable? How thick was the "chain" that you remember?

(Anyone else have shot-and-a-halfs come to mind?)


skyjack71

Mar 3, 2007, 9:48 PM
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I am still waiting for Cossey to send the pictures I asked him to send.

Should anyone out there to whom I am sending a private email not wish to receive them - please let me, know so I can remove you from my address book.


skyjack71

Mar 12, 2007, 10:59 PM
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Can anyone get me any information on these men.
Ed Hurand (spelling uncertain - had something to with flying or jumping in the Or, Wa, Idahoe, Nv or Mx areas), Bill Nolan, Ray Griffin (believe he had a pilots license), G Cowee, D Cosgrove, B Shepard, B. Groover. The last 4 hailed from the Atlanta Area in 1970's.

Griffin last known to be in Fl. probably deceased. Hurand also deceased - very important I find something about his history. Jumpers in that area Please show the pic of Ed around at the DZ's.

Any help anyone can give me is appreciated.


skyjack71

Mar 19, 2007, 10:49 PM
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TongueReceived several copies of photos from Cossey today. He knew what I was looking for and he circled a couple of the items - I wish he had not done that.

CrazyThe items circled are very close to what was in the drawer except the connection between the two items, I seem to remember as looking more narrow than what he showed. Remember that I held them in my hand and I really need to do that. Perhaps time has taken its toll.

FrownThe quality of the photo copies are not such they would copy well enough to post so I will not try. I do appreciate his efforts and those of you who helped me to contact him. He did tell me that he thinks I am Crazy. Of course everyone is in agreement to that and even I am beginning to think so.

I haven't given up - at this moment I am trying to find a woman who knew Duane - I was told that if I found her I would find answers to some of what I have been seeking.

Shocked Of Interest to some: Duane's connection to another crime has created a great deal of interest to a well known writer and investigative attorney - this gentleman has done a lot of research on this other crime - his investigation and my own suddenly hit a common nerve...a few months ago. Now, it seems there is more of a connection than we first thought.


labrys  (D 29848)

Mar 22, 2007, 11:57 AM
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That's very interesting. Thanks for the updates


skyjack71

Mar 26, 2007, 2:37 PM
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Unimpressed
Today I received a phone call from the FBI - they are returning the DNA items retrieved 4 yrs ago on March 28, 2003. I do not know what that means regarding my search.

ShockedThe items from the plane had been handled by many (there was no DNA testing at that time) and the cigarette butts lost (per agent Ralph Hope, the agent of record after I went public in 2000). TongueThis agent on national TV took credit for information found by a reporter and myself - after he had told me that that my husband had never been in McNeil Island Federal Prison nor had he ever been in the Army - both of which I had black and white government documentation stating otherwise.

He never apologized for this, but would later admitted that my records were correct.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Mar 26, 2007, 6:31 PM
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Jo, I'm sure you've seen these, but for others following along, or new to it, here are the FBI files on the case . . .

There an interesting narrative by the guy who hoaxed he was D.B. Cooper. He told his story to newspaper reporter and got $30,000 for it.

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/dbcooper.htm

NickD Smile
BASE 194


skyjack71

Mar 26, 2007, 8:23 PM
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I have tried many times to go to that site and as soon as I hit Part 1 - my computer freezes? I have tried to access this site for several months from my home and a library computer. Why?

Yes, I am aware of that hoax - note that I have not taken any monies for any interviews and I have had tremendous expenses incurred in my search. I am too old to play games - I want the truth about Cooper and Duane Weber.


NickDG  (D 8904)

Mar 26, 2007, 8:43 PM
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Okay, first make sure you have the free Adobe Reader installed on your computer, you probably do, but if not you'll need it to read PDF files, you can get it here:

http://www.adobe.com/...robat/readstep2.html

Also these are rather large files so if you are on a slow internet connection it may seem the computer froze when it's really downloading the file.

Try this; Right click your mouse on the file name and in the box that pops up left click on "save target as" another file box will pop up (make a note of the file name and which directory it's being saved to) and click ok.

You should then see a box that lets you know the file is actually downloading. If you are on a slow connection, like a modem, and not high speed cable, go make a pot of coffee and clean the bathroom, when you come back it will be done.

If you are on a cable just give it more time. Also at the library there many be some type of blocking software in place.

NickD Smile
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GavTr0n  (D 29913)

Mar 30, 2007, 6:10 AM
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 well you have my attention.

Quote:


skyjack71

Mar 30, 2007, 10:50 PM
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"I received a phone call from the FBI - they are returning the DNA items retrieved 4 yrs ago on March 28, 2003"

ShockedThursday March 29, 2007, they arrived with the DNA evidence. I have not viewed the contents and they gave me no report.

Unsure The agent (who did not know who DB Cooper was) said there were no fingerprints. No fingerprints at all? No fingerprints that matched the crime scene? or No fingerprints that matched Duane L. Weber's FBI file?

TongueHe could not answer that question.

CoolThey called back late afternoon (I had left to go to the grocery) to let me know they accidentally left some papers in the box. I did not get home until 6 - their office was closed.

SmileIn the box - a detailed list of dates tests were run and who signed the item out. No results nor was there a copy of the report that the agent had in his hand ---what I wouldn't give for a copy of that.

UnimpressedThe evidence was collected from me on March 28, 2003 and the first test they did was Nov 27, 2006. Note: the date when I first started posting to this site? Nov 2006.

UnimpressedMarch 28 2003 to March 29 2007 - they had the materials in their possession for 3 yrs and 7 months before they ran the first test?

Hopefully I will receive some clarification of what the agent meant. If he meant no prints at all - something is wrong. If he meant no prints that matched the crime scene - feasible.

ShockedIf he meant no prints that matched Duane's FBI file - I have contended for yrs that Duane's print file was altered in Jefferson City Federal Pen. in 1967 as were those of James Earl Ray (the wives of Ray and Duane lived together near the prison). Ray received a phone call from a man by the name of Collins at his work place in CA. Ray knew Duane as John C. Collins.
The altering of Ray's fingerprint file and the phone call from Collins is documented in the Ray files.


skyjack71

Mar 31, 2007, 11:41 PM
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MadSaturday March 31, 2007: I am more than just a little pissed at the FBI - I am fighting mad.

TongueI lived my life trusting people and our government, but I have become aware our government agencies are not always on the up and up. When I put things right out in front that cannot be ignored ---there is only one answer for the reactions of our law enforcement and governing agencies - cover-up for past actions? Some live on to this day.

ShockedWhy wasn't Cooper caught? Certain people knew who he was, but he was Holding. Information important enough that he was allowed to live his life out. Was Duane L. Weber smart enough to buy his own insurance policy? Was Cooper collecting what he felt he was owed for services rendered?

Now I am the one who has been HOLDING - The insurance Duane retrieve in 1982 or 1983 from its hiding place - only to hide it again. I did not know the significance until 5 yrs ago. Now I know more than I should. I know you guys think I am talking in riddles, but there is someone out there who knows exactly what I am talking about...(clue) snapping a pine cone from its host over 100 yards away?

I said it - I finally said it. Thanks to all of you out there who have been so supportive - you are a great bunch of guys.


fallfast69

Apr 3, 2007, 8:39 AM
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In reply to:
someone out there who knows exactly what I am talking about...(clue) snapping a pine cone from its host over 100 yards away?

Sniper?


skyjack71

Apr 6, 2007, 11:30 PM
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April 6, 2007: I just received a communication from an young man who has been following my story for sometime. This is what he had to say:


Smile"It does not take 4 years to analyze DNA. That's my first point."

Unimpressed"Second, when they splice DNA, they actually destroy it in the process. If you gave them a strand of hair, for example, you could not expect that back..." He was right - I received an empty bag labeled hair.

Cool"Third, why now? Is it from all the message posts you've left, the constant emails and inquiries... let's face it, the FBI looks like a bunch of fools pertaining to this case. I know they're worried about domestic terror, but given their track record and seeing what they've failed to do in this case (which is honestly investigate your obvious lead), it doesn't instill any level of confidence with me or I'm sure many others like me."

I added the smileys and the bold type. I have heard this from others, but he said it best.


skyjack71

Apr 9, 2007, 11:06 PM
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In reply to:

UnimpressedThe evidence was collected from me on March 28, 2003 and the first test they did was Nov 27, 2006. Note: the date when I first started posting to this site? Nov 2006.

UnimpressedMarch 28 2003 to March 29 2007 - they had the materials in their possession for 3 yrs and 7 months before they ran the first test?

Agent stated that they found no prints?????

ShockedIf he meant no prints that matched Duane's FBI file - I have contended for yrs that Duane's print file was altered in Jefferson City Federal Pen. in 1967 as were those of James Earl Ray (the wives of Ray and Duane lived together near the prison). Ray received a phone call from a man by the name of Collins at his work place in CA. Ray knew Duane as John C. Collins.
The altering of Ray's fingerprint file and the phone call from Collins is documented in the Ray files.

In the bags returned to me only one was Empty... The one with the hair in it. I have been told the DNA process would have destroyed the hair.
Some items they returned I threw away because they were too bulking to keep - such as 8 track tapes.

I am in the process or requesting more information regarding what the agent said from the FBI. As usual this takes time.


chuteless  (D 41)

Apr 10, 2007, 7:32 AM
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Say, does anyone out there have change for a wet $20. bill ????


lisamariewillbe  (A License)

Apr 10, 2007, 7:35 AM
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Say, does anyone out there have change for a wet $20. bill ??

Is that all thats left Shocked


chuteless  (D 41)

Apr 10, 2007, 7:55 AM
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ONE ( question) of many......


skyjack71

Apr 15, 2007, 11:12 PM
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UnimpressedDNA was in the possession of the FBI for 3 yrs and 7 months before they ran the 1st test - just days after I started to post to this forum.
This alone sounds ODD to me. Do you guys think it was because of my posting in this forum?

ShockedThe truth needs to be told...but what is the truth? Will the truth ever be known? At this time it would take something indisputable to convince me Duane was not Cooper. If that should happen then so be it -in 12 yrs no one has presented me with any concrete evidence that he was not Cooper.

LaughIf the FBI has such evidence don't you think it would be in good conscience to share it with someone who has used up the prime of her life in the pursuit of the truth and has taken NO compensation - other than a trip to WA in 2001 to film a documentary on Cooper.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Apr 15, 2007, 11:16 PM)


bozo  (D 10154)

Apr 16, 2007, 7:49 AM
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LaughIf the FBI has such evidence don't you think it would be in good conscience to share it with someone who has used up the prime of her life .

That statement right there sums up the sadness of this whole thread.


skyjack71

Apr 16, 2007, 11:16 PM
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Can anyone answer this question:
Shocked
How can a 6 time felon with 17 accumulated yrs in prison. purchase a gun and get arrested for trying to obtain a drivers license using a false identification in 1990 (claimed to be dis-oriented due to his having to rely on dialysis to live) spend 72 hrs in a mental holding area and be released and his gun returned to him?
Crazy
It is a felon in the state of FL. to attempt or obtain a drivers license with false identification. He was using his old John Collins documents to obtain this license and he did later successfully obtain the drivers license and I have it

I have just gave you guys a lot of food for thought.
The FBI has totally ignored this fact.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Apr 16, 2007, 11:18 PM)


JohnRich  (D License)

Apr 17, 2007, 10:14 AM
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In reply to:
How can a 6 time felon with 17 accumulated yrs in prison. purchase a gun... spend 72 hrs in a mental holding area and be released and his gun returned to him?

Back in those days there was no background check for a gun purchase, so the gun store would not have known he was a felon. Even if they had, a gun could be purchased from a private individual, outside of normal sales channels.

The 72-hour thing in Florida is called the "Baker Act", for the legislation which allows the state to hold someone for three days if they are deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. Once a psychiatrist clears you of such allegations, then you are released, and your property returned.

Again, maybe they didn't know his criminal history when the returned the gun. They didn't have the fancy computer systems back then that we have now, with centralized databases, and states didn't necessarily share info with other states. Or perhaps he then went out and bought another gun to replace the one that the state kept.

There are always ways for criminals to get guns. Gun laws don't stop them.


skyjack71

Apr 19, 2007, 10:09 PM
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Ouote from John Rich:
" didn't have the fancy computer systems back then that we have now, with centralized databases, and states didn't necessarily share info with other states."

Your reply does not explain how they can whitewash -both felonies. One - an excon in possession of a gun (obviously, they didn't run a background check). BUT, - obtaining a drivers license in the state of FL with false identification is a felony. How, did they miss that one?

As law inforcement I would think they would have questioned WHY, was this man trying to obtain a false drivers license - age 65 - with renal failure? Compassion maybe, but with the purchase of a gun and the false Id - that should have been a red flag.


azdiver  (A License)

Apr 21, 2007, 1:13 AM
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what year did this happen


airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 21, 2007, 7:02 PM
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In reply to:
what year did this happen

I think Jo (skyjack71) only gets on line really late at night, so I'll answer.

The SKYJACK was 'in 71 Wink


skyjack71

Apr 21, 2007, 9:37 PM
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what year did this happen

Are you asking the year of the Skyjacking or the yr he obtained a gun and false ID? The skyjacking was Nov. 24, 1971.

The arrest for obtaining a license with false ID and being held for 72 hours happened in 1990 in FL.


azdiver  (A License)

Apr 22, 2007, 6:13 PM
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sorry should have been more specific i was asking for the year of the arrest and detainment. i think in the 90s their was alot of scandals with mvd/dmv employees selling ids. if it was through the goverment it might have checked out.


skyjack71

May 6, 2007, 10:33 PM
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[:)Still alive - although with all of the blood tests these past few months - it is a wonder I have any left at all.

UnimpressedI am going to call the FBI this wk about the DNA as I feel I need answers as to what they meant by "No Finger Prints". If I do not get the appropriate answers from them then I will do what I was going to do a few months ago, but backed down due to my current husbands health and my own.

CoolIf this campaigne that I am going to embark on does not get results - I have to let go (so I say now), but you never know what the future will bring. I have been working on a letter with a summary of my search and copies of photos - these I intend to send to anyone I think might be able to help me. Prison authorities, newspapers, state and federal personnel....if I am going to go down as the Crazy Woman then I will go with a bang.

UnimpressedShould any of you have professional experience with summary proposals or letters, I would appreciate if you would private email me with your ideas - things that I need to say and things I should not say. I need to get a current list of governors, states attorneys, congress, senators and newpapers. Any ideas and sources would be appreciated

WinkHopefully toward Nov of this yr I will be able to go to WA. I want to retrace that trip again. I only had one day after the camera crew left to find what I found with the help of 4 other ladies my age and an off duty detective. The "guide" the camera crew had was useless.

ShockedThere is something else I have to do while I am there - I want to fly over the area I believe he jumped from (not where the FBI and others seem to think he landed) and release his ashes. Part of his ashes will be dumped at the other 4 places he took me to...an area behind the airport, the site on the Columbia, Lake LaCames and the area where he walked out of the woods.


mattmais

May 7, 2007, 5:41 PM
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just a suggestion, when you dump his ashes, why dont you do it while performing a Tandem Jump??


skyjack71

May 7, 2007, 11:10 PM
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just a suggestion, when you dump his ashes, why dont you do it while performing a Tandem Jump??

PirateI am 67 yrs old, with osteoperosis. One bad knee (needs surgery), disk and vertebra problems plus multiple health problems. Due to an automobile accident in 2000 - I have enough broken bones for one life time...not going to push my luck.

Smile"Thank you, but No Thank You" as I was taught to mine my manners as a child. Yrs ago I entertained the idea, but no more.


ltdiver  (D 20506)

May 8, 2007, 2:03 PM
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just a suggestion, when you dump his ashes, why dont you do it while performing a Tandem Jump??

PirateI am 67 yrs old, with osteoperosis. One bad knee (needs surgery), disk and vertebra problems plus multiple health problems. Due to an automobile accident in 2000 - I have enough broken bones for one life time...not going to push my luck.

Smile"Thank you, but No Thank You" as I was taught to mine my manners as a child. Yrs ago I entertained the idea, but no more.

Make sure you take someone to video the event, then. Video -and- stills if possible. I'm sure there's a local cameraflyer in the area who'd love to accompany you if you want someone with experience. They can shoot from the door of the plane and will have a rig on just in case. Smile

ltdiver


skyjack71

May 11, 2007, 9:42 PM
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This wk of May 9, 2007. I called the Seattle FBI speaking with the former public relations director. He told me he did not know who handles the case at this time. He did state that the case is still open and that they would be unable to provide me with the information regarding the Finger Prints mentioned to me upon return of the DNA.

Not willing to take "No" for an answer - pursued the matter and was able to talk with another agent. I did not understand what I was being told - but understood that no finger prints were found to match any suspects....I immediately retorted that was what I had been saying all along - that Duane's FBI file had been altered. He reply with something else I didn't understand.

I pleaded with them in the past to check Duane's prints in the FBI file against his prints from the other 5 prisons he resided in. If they run those they will at least find a match to the prints on the DNA evidence I supplied to them. I did not wipe any prints off and one of those items only Duane and I had touched to my knowledge. His prints HAD to be on that item.

Perhaps I misunderstood. I am trying to find out who is currently handling this case at this time. I am going to follow the phone calls with a letter. Wish me luck.


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IanHarrop  (C 1152)

May 24, 2007, 9:21 PM
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http://www.newsregister.com/....cfm?story_no=222165

Sheridan man laughs off D.B. Cooper talk

Published: May 24, 2007

By PAUL DAQUILANTE
Of the News-Register


SHERIDAN - Dan Dvorak and Matt Myers are convinced they've found D.B. Cooper alive and well in Sheridan.

No doubt about it, they say. It's former City Councilor Ted Mayfield, a longtime skydiving and aviation enthusiast.

To which Mayfield responds, "I'm definitely not D.B. Cooper."

Mike Donahue of Portland's KOIN-TV, broadcast on channel 6, produced a three-part series on Cooper. In the course of preparing the series, he interviewed Dvorak and Myers, a pair of amateur detectives who claim they have thoroughly researched the Cooper case and concluded Mayfield is the hijacker who parachuted out of a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Southwest Washington on Nov. 24, 1971, and disappeared with $200,000 in cash.

"I've got to ask you," Donahue said to Mayfield, concluding the third part of his series. "Are you D.B. Cooper?" Mayfield laughed and said, "No, I'm not. I'm not quite that clever."

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A man who identified himself as Dan Cooper boarded the jetliner in Portland on Thanksgiving eve. Before the plane landed at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, he handed a stewardess a note saying he was hijacking the aircraft.

He ordered her to inform ground officials he wanted $200,000 and four parachutes delivered to him when the plane landed. He displayed what appeared to be a bomb.

After the plane was refueled and the money and parachutes were delivered, the plane took off with only four crewmen and the hijacker aboard.

Shortly thereafter, Cooper jumped from the plane. It was presumed at the time that the jump occurred over a forested part of northern Clark or southern Cowlitz counties.

The incident drew worldwide attention. Treasure-hunters and psychics have tried to solve the mystery, but to no avail.

In February 1980, a boy from Vancouver, Wash., 8-year-old Brian Ingram, found $5,800 in decayed money on a Columbia River beach about five miles downstream from Vancouver. That triggered widespread speculation it was part of the Cooper loot.

No other trace of either the hijacker or money has ever turned up.

Mayfield said he has followed the Cooper case over the years. He's even participated in celebrations held in Washington to mark the event.

He has also parachuted into the area where it's believed Cooper landed, as part of the celebration. He described the experience as a fun thing to do.

Mayfield said he spoke with FBI agents at the time of the hijacking. They wanted to know if it was possible to jump out of a Boeing 727.

Though he was a skydiving expert, he didn't know. But when he learned the plane's rear stairway could be lowered in flight, he concluded it would be.

Agents told Mayfield they believed the hijacker had, in fact, parachuted out.

Given that, Mayfield said, "I knew what he wanted. He wanted to go to 10,000 feet at 200 mph."

Ralph Himmelsbach, who worked the case before his retirement from the FBI, told Donahue he had dismissed any notion about Mayfield many years ago.

That hasn't stopped Dvorak and Myers from coming to their own conclusion, though. Mayfield said they've visited him three times at the Sheridan Airport, and have told him they're convinced he's Cooper.

They told Donahue, "He might be completely innocent, but we'd like to know where he was between 2 and 8:15 p.m. that day."

Mayfield said that's easy. He was at a parachute school in Donald during the day and had a dinner engagement he kept that night. He said there are people who can vouch for his whereabouts.

What's more, he noted, "They said Cooper was tall and slender. I told them I'm not tall and slender. I'm four inches too short and 40 pounds too heavy.

"They said they were going to sell a lot of books, and asked me, 'Do you want to be D.B. Cooper?' I told them to get out of here."

Mayfield said his telephone started ringing right after the first part of the series aired. He said people he hadn't spoken to in 15 or 20 years called.

"They wanted to know, 'How did you get that started?' I told them, 'I didn't,'" he said.

Sheridan businessman Val Adamson, a former mayor now serving on the council, has known Mayfield for years. He caught the series, and could hardly believe what he was seeing and hearing.

"Is Ted capable of such a thing?" Adamson asked. "Oh yea," he concluded.

"Is he smart enough? Oh yea."

Adamson added, "Ted was good enough in all aspects to handle that with no sweat, if he put his mind to it. But he doesn't fit the physical description too well.

"Like all of us," Adamson said, "he's done some stupid things in his life. But he's the kind of guy you can't help but like.

"To think he would do something like that, I don't think so. To endanger people like that, that's not in him."


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BillyVance  (D 18895)

May 24, 2007, 11:42 PM
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Dan and Matt sound like idiots... I saw the 20/20 show years ago about Mayfield's DZ and the excessive deaths he had. He looks NOTHING like the hijacker based on the sketches and description. He may have been bullish about how he ran his DZ but he is by no means smart enough to pull a stunt like that hijacking off.

I am inclined to believe skyjack's husband was DB Cooper.


bozo  (D 10154)

May 25, 2007, 6:17 AM
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"To think he would do something like that, I don't think so. To endanger people like that, that's not in him."
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The person that made this statement is a complete idiot or doesnt know Mayfield very well.
Mayfield endangered more people than can be imagined just by owning a dropzone and his bodycount over the history of that same dropzone is evidence.


steve1  (D 23640)

May 25, 2007, 7:04 AM
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The person that made this statement is a complete idiot or doesnt know Mayfield very well.
Mayfield endangered more people than can be imagined just by owning a dropzone and his bodycount over the history of that same dropzone is evidence........................................................
This is no doubt very true. A lot of trusting people died there that shouldn't have.

I didn't know Ted that well, but you couldn't help but like the guy. I have no doubt he was wild and crazy enough to do something like hi-jack a plane. My first thought though was that he didn't look anything like D.B. Cooper during that time period. Sounds like the F.B.I. was grasping at straws.

I still think D.B. Cooper is laying in the bottom of the Columbia River....Steve1


skyjack71

May 25, 2007, 11:45 PM
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CoolI read that article and found irony in the fact that it was published May 24. On May 24 1996 one yr and two months after Duane died - the day I found out who Dan Cooper was and the day I first contacted the FBI.

TongueHe did not tell me he was D.B. Cooper - he told me "I'm Dan Cooooper." I had been told that my husband would die in 5 days (but lived for 11) and I did not even think about who Dan Coooper was (he cooed it out). Always wondered how he said it to the ticket agent.

UnimpressedBy the way who is Dan Dvorak and Matt Myers? I appreciate being made aware of such articles. I emailed the author and suggested his efforts as an investigative reporter might be useful in helping me find Ed Hurand.


airtwardo  (D License)

May 26, 2007, 12:04 AM
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http://www.kxnet.com/news/local/69978.asp


skyjack71

May 27, 2007, 12:31 AM
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SmileThanks Guys, Now I know what is going on. First these two guys go on a TV series in Nov of 2006 in N. Dakota claiming that Mayfield is Cooper and then Mayfield is interviewed and says that he is not.

UnimpressedIt has taken this poor old mind 3 or 4 days to figure this out. These guys told Mayfield they were going to sell lots of books, etc. One of these guys is the same guy who claimed in another forum he was "DBCooperCatcher" and would be going public - looks like he did and made a fool out of himself along with someone else who bought into the hype.

TongueThis person was very confrontational and cause me a lot of problems - takes all kinds. I love you guys here on this site - wish I could meet all of you.

CoolI would really like to speak with this Mayfield, because of a part of my story which has been repeated many times in the past. Duane took
me to the Columbia in WA in 1987, from the Vancouver side, he pointed out an area and said behind those trees is the tower to the Portland airport and then pointing to the West he said "I have a friend who used to live over there." Did Mayfield live in Portland in 1971 as was indicated ? How did an ex-con become a city council man?


steve1  (D 23640)

May 27, 2007, 7:43 PM
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Last I heard Ted was still living at Sheridan, Oregon. You might check to see if his phone number is listed. I don't think he served any time in jail. I'm not sure how he avoided prison, with the seriousness of his crimes. I think he even had a stolen aircraft on his dropzone when he was busted. There are others on these forums that know his situation much better than I. I'll bet he'd enjoy talking to you about D.B. Cooper....Steve1


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

May 27, 2007, 8:25 PM
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Hi steve1,

He still lives in Sheridan but does spend winter-time in the Tuscon area; his new wife is from that area.

He has spent more than one turn in the pokey, though. Pirate

Jerry


BillyVance  (D 18895)

May 27, 2007, 8:47 PM
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Hi steve1,

He still lives in Sheridan but does spend winter-time in the Tuscon area; his new wife is from that area.

He has spent more than one turn in the pokey, though. Pirate

Jerry

Yes he has. That is what was said when 20/20 did their story on him in the late '90s. I'll have to look for the VHS tape that I used to tape that episode on and review it. Basically they focused on a student who died on his first jump, then focused on Ted's past and history of running that DZ. I couldn't believe at the time that anybody could have a record that bad... so many fatalities... Crazy

He was a stubborn fool too. The authorities even confiscated all of his skydiving gear, and what does he do? Go borrow gear from another DZ and be back in business the next weekend! Unimpressed At least that is how I remember it. I still have to review the tape.


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skyjack71

May 27, 2007, 11:05 PM
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SmileI hope to speak to Mayfield and have obtained two phone numbers. Thank you for the information about his doing time...this is critical to me. If Mayfield was the person Duane made reference to - and they knew each other from a prison - Did Duane learn to skydive with him (Mayfield may have known Duane under another name).?

UnsureMayfield could have inadvertently taught this man to jump, and was afraid to state to the FBI that he might know who Cooper was to the FBI - for fear that he would incriminate himself when he may have had no knowledge that Duane would use the skill to commit a crime.

WinkI read somewhere that a man claimed to know who Cooper was, but would not tell anyone until all who were involved had deceased. If it was Mayfield who made that statement - all he has to do is give me a first or last name and I will give him the time and place of death. One idividual someone might be protecting - a key - "Days of WIne and Roses".

ShockedWhat do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?


GrabGrass  (D 666999)

May 27, 2007, 11:52 PM
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What do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?


In reply to:

Move on to the Lindberg kidnapping? Wink


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bozo  (D 10154)

May 28, 2007, 5:41 AM
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What do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?

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Move on to the Lindberg kidnapping? Wink


Who "really" killed President Kennedy ?


airtwardo  (D License)

May 28, 2007, 7:55 AM
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What do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?

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Move on to the Lindberg kidnapping? Wink


Who "really" killed President Kennedy ?



Which really is it....Taste Great or Less Filling. ?? Blush


davidlayne  (D 3102)

May 28, 2007, 11:05 AM
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What do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?

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Move on to the Lindberg kidnapping? Wink


Who "really" killed President Kennedy ?



Which really is it....Taste Great or Less Filling. ?? Blush


Where are all of those Kruger Rands?


skyjack71

May 28, 2007, 11:45 AM
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The spirit of the day is evident here at DZ. I think most of you are thinking that we have actually made a link. Prison records - will tell the story. If the FBI doesn't jump on this they are idiots - ...


GrabGrass  (D 666999)

May 28, 2007, 11:47 AM
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What do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?

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Move on to the Lindberg kidnapping? Wink


Who "really" killed President Kennedy ?



Which really is it....Taste Great or Less Filling. ?? Blush


Where are all of those Kruger Rands?



Why is the RUM gone ?! Pirate


Orange1  (B 2638)

May 28, 2007, 11:50 AM
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What do we do if we actually solve this thing on DZ?

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Move on to the Lindberg kidnapping? Wink


Who "really" killed President Kennedy ?



Which really is it....Taste Great or Less Filling. ?? Blush


Where are all of those Kruger Rands?

Lots of Kruger Rands down here but I don't know if they are those kruger rands...Tongue

btw, how do you "inadvertantly" teach someone to skydive Wink

Hey Jo... let us know how it goes if you contact Mayfield and he talks to you!


skyjack71

May 28, 2007, 12:28 PM
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btw, how do you "Inadvertantly" teach someone to skydive Wink

Hey Jo... let us know how it goes if you contact Mayfield and he talks to you!


Sly "INADVERTANTLY" I was being kind and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a way out of self incrimination. The same with that he may have known Duane under another name - remember Duane had a way of disappearing.


labrys  (D 29848)

May 28, 2007, 8:18 PM
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Which really is it....Taste Great or Less Filling. ??

That means nothing compared to the bigger question about whether your chocolate is in my peanut butter vs my peanut butter being on your chocolate.

Really Unsure


skyjack71

May 29, 2007, 1:39 PM
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SmileI did contact Mr Mayfield and found him to be very nice and that the negative things I have heard are not true at all.

SmileHe has not served time except for one civil matter and he does not fit the description of "Cooper" at all. Hence he was not considered as a suspect at that time nor at this time.

SmileHe is going to view some photos for me because of Duane's cameleon abilities - to see if he has ever run into him in the past - since Duane obviously spent a great deal of time in WA and OR over a period of yrs.

UnimpressedThe guys who perpetrated this fraud and slander should in my opinion be prosecuted.

PirateI myself got caught up in the hype for a couple of days and for that I apologize to ALL including Mr. Mayfield.


steve1  (D 23640)

May 29, 2007, 2:50 PM
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UnimpressedThe guys who perpetrated this fraud and slander should in my opinion be prosecuted.

PirateI myself got caught up in the hype for a couple of days and for that I apologize to ALL including Mr. Mayfield...........................................................
What part of this are you calling fraud and hype?

I've jumped at his D.Z. and know for a fact that a lot of people burned in there, that shouldn't have. He was told by the F.A.A. that he could never operate another Drop Zone anywhere. Would they have done this if he hadn't done several things wrong?

In the Oregonian Newspaper he was accused of having a stolen aircraft on his Drop Zone, while authorities investigated his part in several drop zone deaths.

I'm sure Ted has explanations for all of this, but the bottom line is that he was a scary individual to have running a Drop zone.

There are plenty more Ted Mayfield stories out there, and they're not all based on slander and hype.

Personally, I liked the guy, but that doesn't erase some of the things he's done over the years.....Steve1


skyjack71

May 29, 2007, 5:50 PM
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UnimpressedThe guys who perpetrated this fraud and slander should in my opinion be prosecuted.

PirateI myself got caught up in the hype for a couple of days and for that I apologize to ALL including Mr. Mayfield.
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What part of this are you calling fraud and hype?
UnsureSteve: it is evident by the sites we were invited to look at - WWW.KOIN.Com - the televison segments. Two guys claimed that Mayfield was "Cooper". That is the only issue I have any concerns about. Anything else Mayfield may or may not have done is not relevant to me and my purpose..


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on May 29, 2007, 10:52 PM)


Premier quade  (D 22635)
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May 29, 2007, 9:56 PM
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Two guys claimed that Mayfield was "Cooper". That is the only issue I have any concerns about. Anything else Mayfield may or may not have done is not relevant to this thread.

As relevant as any one of a number of other "facts" surrounding the D.B. Cooper mythology.

Jo, while you may have "started" this thread, it "belongs" to dz.com. Please don't try to limit what other people can and can't say on the topic. That is not your job here.

Further, if you have any personal issues with individuals, please take them to Private Messages and off the Forum.


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skyjack71

May 29, 2007, 10:45 PM
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UnimpressedI apologize to all. I was wrong.

UnimpressedI was unaware of past interviews and the feelings of other jumpers about his past actions.

TongueUnfortunately I seem to run on one track and use a teachers tactics when they are not called for. Again I apologize to everyone. Sorry.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on May 29, 2007, 10:46 PM)


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

May 30, 2007, 7:21 PM
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Hi skyjack,

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He has not served time except for one civil matter

Let me disagree with you on this. And one does not go to jail in a civil litigation matter.

Ted has been convicted in both federal and state courts. He has served time at least three times, or so he told me on a trip we did back in '02.

I've known him since '64 and made most of my jumps at his dz's. I just NEVER sent a student there.

And a prudent jumper would never go on a demo he organized. Unsure

Jerry

PS) In his defense, he is the most optimistic person I have ever known.


bozo  (D 10154)

May 30, 2007, 7:30 PM
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Hi skyjack,

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He has not served time except for one civil matter

Let me disagree with you on this. And one does not go to jail in a civil litigation matter.

Ted has been convicted in both federal and state courts. He has served time at least three times, or so he told me on a trip we did back in '02.

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Those are the facts as I know them, Jerry.
I know a bunch more, but it isnt worth arguing about with people that heard this and that from somebodies cousin 20 years ago.


skyjack71

May 30, 2007, 10:17 PM
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"Ted has been convicted in both federal and state courts. He has served time at least three times, or so he told me on a trip we did back in '02."

Jerry

PS) In his defense, he is the most optimistic person I have ever known.
Hi Jerry,

Tongue Ok Guy's - see how naive I am. I spoke with Mayfield and he told me that he had only been in jail one time and that was in the early 90's for a civil matter.

Does anyone know where he spent time and the dates?????????


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

May 31, 2007, 9:55 AM
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Hi bozo,

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I know a bunch more, but it isnt worth arguing about with people that heard this and that from somebodies cousin 20 years ago.

Ain't that the truth,

Jerry


Orange1  (B 2638)

May 31, 2007, 11:59 AM
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I know very little about the US legal system: is "negligent homicide" classed as a civil matter?

In the Oregon case, Ted Mayfield—a sky-dive operator implicated in the death of thirteen parachutists in twenty-two years—pled guilty to negligent homicide after supplying a client with a backup parachute device that he knew was defective. He received a sentence of five months in jail, plus three years’ probation. The court also required him to pay $5,675 in restitution and to refrain from any future involvement with skydiving.

I haven't read the whole tortuous legal document (http://lawweb.colorado.edu/.../ramsey/Hastings.pdf , above quote taken from p36) but it seems from a skim-read that this was a "criminal sanction".

Jo - re your question about dates - I am assuming May 1995 from this footnote in the above: See Man Gets Jail in Sky-Diving Deaths, PORTLAND OREGONIAN, May 19, 1995, at B4,available at 1995 WL 3601458. Article does not seem to be on the net but I guess someone who knows what that reference means should be able to track it down.


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I know very little about the US legal system: is "negligent homicide" classed as a civil matter?

No. That would be criminal.


skyjack71

May 31, 2007, 6:08 PM
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"Ted has been convicted in both federal and state courts. He has served time at least three times, or so he told me on a trip we did back in '02."

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Hey Guys - I am interested in anything anyone knows about Mayfield having been in Jail or Served Time in any institution prior to 1971.

From 1945 to 1971 - Those are the dates. I don't even know how old Mayfield is---that would narrow the dates somewhat. Remember that Duane was in 6 federal prisons for a period of 17 yrs during that time. I am sure he was held in many a county or city jail also - awaiting trial, sentencing, etc.


skyjack71

Jun 2, 2007, 11:36 PM
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ShockedThis thread had almost a 1000 hits this week. I am in awl there are so many people following this story and are willing to help me in any way they can.

SmileYou ALL are amazing and from the bottom of my heart I say "Thank You".


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flybounce  (Student)

Jun 10, 2007, 8:27 PM
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I think her story is all bark and no bite. Those guys on youtube.com (use site search for The Real DB Cooper) seem to have actual evidence pointing to old slick Teddy. Seriously, i've always liked the guy, but i think they're right.


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Zing  (D 6343)

Jun 10, 2007, 10:20 PM
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" ... but i think they're right."


Yeah, but that would mean you're thinking wrong.


flybounce  (Student)

Jun 11, 2007, 4:10 PM
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In reply to:
" ... but i think they're right."


Yeah, but that would mean you're thinking wrong.

wow! you offered a lot of facts for your supposition. you must be from interpol or something. what do you actually know? let's hear it.


flybounce  (Student)

Jun 11, 2007, 4:14 PM
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well, i waited. can't wait longer. i'll be back to check out your dazzling stuff later.


jackwilson  (Student)

Jun 12, 2007, 7:11 AM
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My two cents

I've seen the youtube story, and articles about Ted in the paper.

According to the two guys on tv, it seems Ted was nailed for armed robbery in 1971, just before the Cooper heist.

Then, as mentioned earlier, the stolen plane which resulted in jail time in 1977.

Then, he has the two counts of criminal negligent homicide from 1994. Someone else mentioned he got nabbed for stealing electricity during the mid-80's.

So, it does appear that teddy has seen the inside of the county and federal jail systems.

I hope that clears things up.

I can't believe he told skyjack he had only been in jail for a "civil" matter.


JohnRich  (D License)

Jun 12, 2007, 9:53 AM
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In reply to:
well, i waited. can't wait longer. i'll be back to check out your dazzling stuff later.

Wow, you waited a whole four minutes! And then after waiting only four minutes for a reply, you proceeded with sarcastic insults anyway.

You must have more patience, little grasshopper.

Believe it or not, most people are not online all the time, anxiously awaiting messages to trickle in. It's usually a one-pass per day kind of thing.

And what you've done here says a lot more about yourself, then it does about the person to whom you directed your comments.


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Jun 12, 2007, 10:38 AM
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You're wasting your time trying to educate an anonymous troll.

I mean, sure, this is all a huge waste of time so what's the diff, but come on!


flybounce  (Student)

Jun 12, 2007, 4:04 PM
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evidently, Ted lies about quite a bit when this case is mentioned. odd. the two freelance investigators, according to wikipedia db cooper article (section on Ted), say he lied about his alibi. odd.


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flybounce  (Student)

Jun 12, 2007, 4:12 PM
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as for the anonymous troll comment and my education to which it referred, i get your point. from now on i'll only reply to that which has a modicum of substance pertaining to the issue at hand (excepting this one last time, of course).Wink


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Jun 13, 2007, 12:12 PM
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Hi jackwilson,

I could not remember if the armed robbery conviction was in '70 or '71. He did not do anytime for that crime; suspended sentence.

The '77 conviction was for interstate transportation of stolen property (the airplane) and he did about a year at McNeil Island in the Puget Sound area (a federal prison). He got himself assigned to the garbage truck detail which allowed him outside of the prison to go dump the garbage at a local landfill. Then Lenny Aikens would go out to the landfill a little earlier and hide a jug of booze that Ted would smuggle back inside to share with folks. Cool

Jerry


jackwilson  (Student)

Jun 14, 2007, 1:27 AM
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Hi Jerry

Ya, that is my understanding also. The armed robbery resulted in no jail time, just probation or a suspended sentence.

Makes sense he got a job driving a garbage truck. According to the one article, Ted used to drive for 7-up in the mid 60's until he got popped for the armed robbery.

So, it doesnt' sound like Ted would have served any time with skyjack's husband before the Cooper hijacking.

Funny thing, the one show mentioned that TEd knew the FBI agent who investigated the Cooper case before the hijacking. According to the show, Ted called this guy 2 hours after Cooper jumped, and said that he didn't want him to think he was the hijacker. Sounds strange. Why not wait and see if the FBI catches the guy first? I wonder if Ted ever had a regular job after the Cooper case? It is kind of a strange coincidence.

jack


skyjack71

Jun 29, 2007, 11:04 PM
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SmileYou ALL are amazing and from the bottom of my heart I say "Thank You".

UnimpressedJust wanted to let all know that I am still alive, but having some difficulties at the moment. Due to a personal situation I have not been able to speak with the 2 gentlemen I located - regarding the past of one Duane L. Weber.

UnimpressedIt may be a couple of more wks before I can talk to them - right now my focus is on the problem at hand which has nothing to do with "Cooper". Please be patient for the time being - I believe my search will soon end one way or another.


avenfoto  (A 44631)

Jul 11, 2007, 11:01 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper

found this googling ted mayfield.... scroll halfway down and have a look.


mattmais

Jul 18, 2007, 7:02 PM
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speaking of dan weber....and looking at the previous posts link..... is this true Mrs Weber?


There has also been a positive identification made by Robert Knoss of Minneapolis, Minnesota, a former acquaintance of Duane Weber, identifying him to be also known as Dan Cooper, who resided in Bloomington, Minnesota, where he practiced to be a skilled parachutist three years prior to the hijacking.


flybounce  (Student)

Jul 19, 2007, 4:55 PM
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maybe another good question besides, "is it true?" is, "is there any supporting, verifiable evidence?"

the wikepedia thing on teddy in the db cooper article is frickin amazing. thanks for the link.


skyjack71

Jul 23, 2007, 12:08 AM
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Matt says:
In reply to:
There has also been a positive identification made by Robert Knoss of Minneapolis, Minnesota, a former acquaintance of Duane Weber, identifying him to be also known as Dan Cooper, who resided in Bloomington, Minnesota, where he practiced to be a skilled parachutist three years prior to the hijacking.

UnimpressedDear Matt: Since your profile does not say much about you - I need to know your source - and I will only talk about this privately or on the phone. Your profile indicates that you do not receive or accept private emails.

SmileI do not allow myself to get involved in things on the site that might be controversial or that might slander someone else or cause another person undue stress. Why would you?

SlyIn reference to the Winnepeg article -"the altered for Winnepeg composite" WAS NOT the one done for Shaffner on the TV program.


skyjack71

Jul 23, 2007, 12:36 AM
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CoolOK, guys and gals - I am able to do some things at this time, but my time and energy are still limited.

UnimpressedI buried my current spouse on Friday, July 20, 2007 after he took ill on June 11. He was in the hospital for sometime and then moved to a nursing home and died on July 1, 2007.

TongueThe Wednesday before he died the preliminary diagnosis came in on my medical situation and it doesn't look too good - I have an appointment with an Onocologist / Hemotologist this wk and I am sure that I am in for many more tests before it is over.

FrownUnfortunately I will also have to deal with legal issues regarding his death over the next few wks consuming a great deal of my time and energy.

SmilePS - One good thing came out of the Winnepeg article - I got to see what Ted Mayfield looked like. When I have the time I will post a photo of Duane L. Weber (never before published) that shows a very close resemblance to that photo of Mayfield. Note that the composite done for Florence Shaffner did not have the little twist of hair in the forehead indicating a balding pattern.

SmileCooper simply had a high slanted forehead with possibly some normal recession. This is according to actual reports given by the witnesses to the artist who did the original and remake composite. Not one article since 1971 mentions this tuff of hair nor is it in the FBI files.


flybounce  (Student)

Jul 24, 2007, 9:10 PM
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skyjack 71, i'm sorry for your loss. i'm sure evryone wishes you well also with your current health problems. i'm guessing matt did not intend, nor is it my intent to cause you undue stress, but this case is a fascinating bit of american history that is still being debated and discussed. if i defer strongly to a case that to my mind seems to have much more logical and supported evidence from two freelance investigators that appear to have no previous motive for personal attachment to the way the cards fall, it is not meant as a personal slight or attack. you are making a claim in public and should not expect everyone to agree with you.
if you beleive in your case, i would expect a challenge would be met by you with happy eagerness at the opportunity to present another facet of your case and it's evidence. when you have the energy, convince me.
i'm not sure some of what your talking about, but the sketch on wikipedia was done with a sketch artist from one of only two people (the stewardesses) that ever actually got close to and talked with db (i know he used a fake name that was not a name he used for himself and it was dan, but i'll say db) and knew that he was commiting a crime (a reason to try to remember him).
florence did the sketch because she said none of the composites the fbi were circulating looked like db. (otherwise bing crosby may have been a suspect:) also, if composite sketches wer often reliable, we might have to release the unabomber:)
the one on wiki is the one done by florence schaffner. it is probably the most reliable to date.
also, if you are interested in seeing teddy on video at his current age, go to youtube.com and use the site search for "the real db cooper".
if i can further clarify my position for you, i'd be more than happy to.
hope all goes well with you.


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skyjack71

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WinkOkay DBCooperCatcher - unless you are the one who POSTED to Winnepeg - then you have absolutely no way of knowing if that is the composite that the stewardess did - it DOES NOT match the one the artist did on the TV program with Florence.

BlushIf you are Catcher - you managed to get the other site locked down - the way you speak (post) is the same - the style matches. Perhaps you are not
the same - if so I apologize..

CrazyThat person was retorical and never produced any proof of his claims - all over the place and then went out and publicly accused Mayfield of being Cooper. I do not have the time or energy to deal with this again.

SmileFolks I will be back to post the pic of Duane I have referred to that resembles Mayfield - for no other reason than my own satisfaction. Also if I could FREEZE the tape and get a picture off of it you would see that the composite is not the same as the one on Winnepeg.

CoolI don't have much time left and I refuse to spend it banging my head against a wall. If the subject is controversial and the other person is open with their identification - why not be open to private emails to discuss this.

ShockedSomeone out there only recently appeared on the site and has posted only on the Cooper thread.
Need I say more.


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Jul 26, 2007, 9:36 AM
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In reply to:
ShockedSomeone out there only recently appeared on the site and has posted only on the Cooper thread.
Need I say more.

While I personally find anonymous posting on most topics an act of cowardice, I do understand why someone might not exactly want their personal identity associated with this thread.

My "guess" is that "they" aren't out there stalking you, but rather are interested in the topic yet also slightly embarrassed to be associated with some aspects of it and are probably persons that already were ON this web site, just not posting under that particular name.

For instance, lets say . . . the Director of the USPA knew all about the DB Cooper case (actually knew who the man was and knew you were either right or wrong) . . . I could certainly understand his wanting to be anonymous in this thread.


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flybounce  (Student)

Jul 26, 2007, 10:49 PM
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good thinking


flybounce  (Student)

Jul 26, 2007, 11:06 PM
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i will share two undeniable facts with you that you will just have to take my word for. i am not the one that got some other site shut down (how does a site get shut down? lawsuit?) is the site called winnepeg? never been there. your skills at matching a 'rhetorical posting style' are here flawed.
the other is that i cannot, no matter how good your goading skills, be goaded into something i don't want to do.
oddly enough, j.w. we run in some of the same circles and know some of the same people. rest at ease though, i am the furthest thing from a stalker. i do have great interest in this case, though.
i do not have interest in talking with you privately. speaking of 'retoric' (sic), i have not seen any hard evidence from you.

by the way, you are patently wrong about the sketch on wiki not being the florence schaffner sketch. sometime you should catch the episode of unsolved mysteries it came from.

also, if mayfield is not a very compelling case, why are you trying to show how duane also looked like him?


flybounce  (Student)

Jul 26, 2007, 11:18 PM
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"good thinking" on further review makes it possibly look like i am claiming to be director of uspa.
i am making no such claim here.


jackwilson  (Student)

Jul 27, 2007, 6:56 PM
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In reply to:
speaking of dan weber....and looking at the previous posts link..... is this true Mrs Weber?


There has also been a positive identification made by Robert Knoss of Minneapolis, Minnesota, a former acquaintance of Duane Weber, identifying him to be also known as Dan Cooper, who resided in Bloomington, Minnesota, where he practiced to be a skilled parachutist three years prior to the hijacking.

I must have missed it, but, was this question answered.

Who is this Robert Knoss?

So, he knew Skyjack's husband, and that he used Dan Cooper as an alias?

If true, why would someone use a known alias, to hijack a plane, when other's are well aware of your use of this alias, and your skydiving expertise?

Doesn't make any sense to me?

Cooper only had to give the name once, so, it's not like he had to memorize the name, ss#, address, etc. Back in 71, you didn't even need id to by a ticket to board a plane.

If true, why didn't Knoss call the FBI, and collect the reward? And how could he remember an acquaintance's alias, years later?

WAs Knoss the instructor who taught Weber to dive? Cause i've never heard of him.

What was the name of the instructor? What skydiving center, as I've been to a few in the midwest?

jack


skyjack71

Jul 27, 2007, 10:58 PM
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Matt is the one who mentioned Knoss. I directed a posting at him as to why he would bring this man's name up. I will not acknowledge this information in a public forum and stated that others can get hurt.. I also wanted to know his source. Unfortunately someone else decided that the posting was meant for them...and the subject got swallowed up in a lot of trival things.


skyjack71

Jul 27, 2007, 11:22 PM
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CoolNow, to do what I intended to do tonight. It would be great if the site had the ability to post a pic in the text, but I do hope that all will open both of the attachments.

TongueOne of the photos was taken in 1976 I believe and Duane had gained a lot of weight and let his hair go gray. Note the resemblance to another composite that was on a program about Cooper?

TongueTwo is a prison photo take in 1960 - 11 yrs prior to the crime. Also note the resemblance to the other composite. I have SAT on these two photos waiting for this moment.

TongueDuane was like a chameleon and you would see what he wanted you to see - also depending on the view from which you had of him - 1. face to face the forehead was not so high. 2. If you were standing over him as a stewardest would have his forehead would appear very high. 3. If you were looking up at him his forehead seemed very average.

I am not saying he looked like Mayfield at all, but he does also look like the other composite with the exception of that twist of hair. If Ms Shaffner could see these along with Mayfields wonder who she might ID as Cooper.


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flybounce  (Student)

Jul 28, 2007, 9:49 AM
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why would you "sit on" something untill now?

all sounds like strategy to me.

going to such lengths to protect the identity of someone who commited the crime of knowing an alias (i agree with jack - alias thing makes no sense) or teaching someone to skydive is very noble, but it sounds like an excuse to not produce anything verifiable.

how do i know it is the schaffner sketch? i have a tape of the show.


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Jul 28, 2007, 10:26 AM
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In reply to:
why would you "sit on" something untill now?

all sounds like strategy to me.

If you took the time to read through the whole thread, you'd find that she just not that long ago realized her ex husband may have been involved in the skyjacking and then started her research. I hope she can finish putting all the pieces together before her time is up.


jackwilson  (Student)

Jul 28, 2007, 12:54 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
why would you "sit on" something untill now?

all sounds like strategy to me.

If you took the time to read through the whole thread, you'd find that she just not that long ago realized her ex husband may have been involved in the skyjacking and then started her research. I hope she can finish putting all the pieces together before her time is up.


Not true,

Duane Weber's name has been associated with the Cooper case since 2000, when a reporter did an article about Weber in Newsweek or US world magazine. That is over 7 years ago, and in the article, weber admits knowing about her husband possibly being cooper since 1995. So, we are talking about a minimum of 7 years, max, of 12 years. What is the definition of not long ago?

Plus, it this Robert Knoss is such a dangerous name, then, why is his name on winnepeg? Maybe for his safety, it should be removed.

It's true that people can change their appearance, but, it is difficult to change from a man witht a full head of hair, to one who is balding.

Also, we heard this story about robert knoss. Ok, so, who taught Duane how to fly airplanes? Cooper knew flap settings, about gear, aftstairs, range, etc, not something a non-pilot would have on the tip of his tongue during a hijacking.

Plus, I heard a report that the fBI had closed their case on Duane, since there isn't any evidence suggesting he is Cooper. As a matter of fact, the only reason the FBI opened a file, is because someone called Himmelsbach 100 times, and got him to phone the FBI and have them open a file on Weber. Truth be told, without Himmelsbach, who now doubts that Weber is a good suspect, Weber would have never even been considered. Seems like himmelsbach was told of an airline ticket from Seattle to POrtland in the name of Cooper, and then when pressed, this ticket somehow vanished. Interesting.

jacko


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flybounce  (Student)

Jul 28, 2007, 2:59 PM
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again, i wish jo well, but not at the expense of truth. show me something compelling. convince me. i see nothing compelling about her case backed up by evidence. i have my doubts, but not a closed mind on this fascinating subject.

also, i have things i want to get done before my time is up. i ask no one for sympathy and i welcome an attack on my views and the views of others that are sound and well founded. i can back them up.

i do seriously wish her well, but if i was at death's door, would i get less challenge for a case i believe in? one's got nothing to do with the other. i just like more verifiable facts - something with meat i can chew on. if jo wants to find the truth (in my opinion, if we knew the truth about the case 100%, she would reject it.) don't "sit on" evidence. lay it all out at once. more truth the better. maybe someone could chew on it and come up with some good suggestions. but so far, i'm sorry, it seems to be structured like a propaganda campaign.

or maybe it is a learned response to putting something out there to grab attention, and not being able to take it back. like the ticket stub.


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Jul 28, 2007, 4:15 PM
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Quote:
Duane Weber's name has been associated with the Cooper case since 2000, when a reporter did an article about Weber in Newsweek or US world magazine. That is over 7 years ago, and in the article, weber admits knowing about her husband possibly being cooper since 1995. So, we are talking about a minimum of 7 years, max, of 12 years. What is the definition of not long ago?

Well, I could say relatively speaking in regards to the date of the skyjacking. This research takes a good long while to do in spite of all that she has going on in her life.


skyjack71

Jul 28, 2007, 6:43 PM
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Smile]For the Record:

UnimpressedI did not know what Duane meant with his confession in March of 1995 - it would be May 24, 1996 before I knew who Dan Cooper was. Go back and read the post from the beginning to the end.

WinkI did not go public until 2000 after 4 yrs of looking for the truth on my own and with little help from the FBI. I did not make 100 calls to Himmelsbach prior to the FBI taking a look at it. I had called the FBI and was getting no response - with the help of a private investigator we put together the information I had and sent it to Himmelsbach - I have the telephone records - there had only been a few calls to him at that time.

SlyHimmelsbach looked at what we had put together and sent it to the FBI suggesting they needed to look at this more closely. The letter from the FBI was a cursive letter received in 1998. After 2000 they decided to look a little more closely.

ShockedIn 2002 the FBI contacted me about DNA. They would retrieve the DNA in March of 2003 and it would not be returned to me until March of 2007. Four yrs and it was on in Nov. of 2006 that the DNA reseach was actually done. I have the records.

FrownThere has been NO strategy involved on my part - just an ongoing investigation and research into the past of one John C. Collins, AKA Duane L. Weber aka Dan Cooper.

SmileThe airline ticket was seen by me on 2 occasions prior to Duane's death - and was not found by me when I realized in 1996 what it meant. That is a story that has been told over and over and has NEVER changed.

SmileThis research is exactly why I am on this site - waiting and searching. This site has been a tremendous help to me and all of the guys and gals here have been extremely helpful.

UnsureKnoss was not an aka of Duane's. How Winnepeg got the information regarding - I do not know - it was private information not made public to protect that person.

UnsureThere have been many "Knosses" over the yrs...those who are trying to help and those who only want to create notarity for themselves. I have heard from ex-cons and cranks. Some of the contacts are very genuine.

CrazyThe other site that got locked had become trivial and repetivety, because I had to consistently defend my position from those who did not read the complete thread before taking an uninformed stand.

SmileI had hope that would not be the case in DropZone because very one has been very supportive - I am not using my illness for sympathy.

PirateIt is a fact and one that has to be stated as I may not be able to finish the task at hand. I do not have the time nor wish to bore those who have followed this thread by having to unnecessarily repeat what has already been told in the site nor to defend myself from someone who finds satisfaction in trashing another persons facts.

SlyI have waited for someone to present other pictures of other suspects. I have waited for the picture done by Shaffner and you Fly flew right into your own trap....I noted that you did not mention the striking resemblance of the new photos to Shaffners composite, nor offer to have Shaffner view the photos.


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ridgerunrbunny

Jul 30, 2007, 12:00 PM
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In 1968 I met Ken Lynn an aka. Kenny was learning to jump in Lake Elsinore DZ and became very good at it. As years went by I learned that Ken was actually Gary Allen Hineman and in the FBI's top ten wanted list. I liked Ken very much, as a matter of fact we dated for a while, but he disappeared out of my life never to be seen again. It was several years later that this DB Cooper thing happened and I always wondered who could do that, who had the desire to do it. My take is that it was Ken Lynn that was DB Cooper. And if that is true, he did not die in that jump because he knew how to make it happen, and is living in South America happily under some other name. I think he got married several times, maybe never divorced.

Bunny Speakman


azdiver  (A License)

Jul 30, 2007, 6:12 PM
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got a picture, anything to try and support this theory or is this just trolling, jo has some stuff not just throwing out a wild guess.


awsee1  (Student)

Jul 30, 2007, 9:07 PM
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Skyjack71,

Can you list the evidence you have that Duane was infact Db Cooper? Can you list any evidence that Duane was even West of the Missippi in 71?

Thanks,

Brenda
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skyjack71

Jul 30, 2007, 10:15 PM
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October of 1971 to February of 1972. We have a very good idea of where he was - a letter was sent to a newpaper and then forwarded to the FBI only a few miles from where he had been hiding in California to recover from his injury. I have yet been able to get the FBI to look at that note and analyze the note and compare it to Notes they have with Duane L. Weber's known handwriting and prints and now his DNA. We can put him in California after November 24, 1971.

We can also substanciate that the was in Altanta, Ga in February of 1972 with injurys still evident - injuries he told others were caused from cutting down a tree at his house.

I also held the ticket in my own hands twice....you will find that story in the records - search and read.

I will say one more time for the record - in 1979 when we went on that Sentimental Journey that he took me from place to place in the OR and WA area and did not look at a map the first time. He knew the names of the roads and highways and he definitely knew his way around.

Please note that the money found in Feb. 1980 was found 5 months after our trip - to WA. Not too terribly far from the very place that he took me to on the Columbia (a place where I stayed in the car while he went down to the water). I would only get out of the car after he returned. I fell asleep - so I don't know how long he was there. He did open the trunk of the car before going down and after coming back up.

Dumb Blonde - everyone always wanted to know if my roots were blond.


awsee1  (Student)

Aug 1, 2007, 6:44 AM
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Thanks for the info Skyjack. I am familiar with the Cooper case and I did catch one of your shows on cable, my husband says there were two, but nevertheless I only remember one. I'm just curious about facts rather than stories. I guess everyone's got stories, but I'm one of those "get to the bottom of it" kinda gals.

I've only made 6 jumps, and 5 of those were with my husband. I'm still somewhat scared though!!!

But Sky I've finally cover the majority of these pages and it seems that concerning Weber there is really very little that is verifiable? Does that make sense to you?
Can you verify any of the stories so that maybe someone could consider them evidence?

I'm not trashing your husband, or your plight, I'm just curious and would like to know if there is anything this gal or anyone can actually chew on.

Thanks again Skyjack71.!

B.


skyjack71

Aug 4, 2007, 1:22 AM
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CoolMuch could be done to prove the things I have said - IF the FBI would get off it's honches, but that will never happen. They have not the resources nor man power or reason to investigate this old case.

ShockedThey have never shown the pictures of Duane to the Stewardess and when I first came forward the Capt. was still alive as was the ticket agent. Duane's wife of the time was still alive and his sister was still alive. The step-daughter who told me she KNEW Duane was Cooper was still alive and a story about something her mother did. The letter sent from "Cooper" in CA.

Crazy Exactly why did they wait until Nov of 2006 to look at the DNA that was on file? Why did they tell me they lost the cigarrette buts and then refute that story? Why did the FBI agent go on TV and take credit for information he had originally denied? I cannot begin to name all of the things that should have been done and not done.

TongueNow when so much time has passed and so many died - what may have been known of the truth will only be proven is someone stumbles on that ticket that was in the book that wasn't a book and realizes what it was and not destroy it. The woman who took it probably did not know what it was and it was trashed - she just wanted the book. The FBI never questioned her.

TongueThe FBI did not interview people who knew him and they didn't even do a complete search of his criminal record. They have never verified that the FBI file prints are actually his prints (another resident who Duane knew and the wives shared living accommodation got his prints change within the system). Duh - wonder who had the skills and the opportunitiy to do that - perhaps an inmate who had priviledges and allowed to work in the office.


awsee1  (Student)

Aug 4, 2007, 1:01 PM
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TongueThe FBI did not interview people who knew him and they didn't even do a complete search of his criminal record. They have never verified that the FBI file prints are actually his prints (another resident who Duane knew and the wives shared living accommodation got his prints change within the system). Duh - wonder who had the skills and the opportunitiy to do that - perhaps an inmate who had priviledges and allowed to work in the office.

Hey Sky,

So what you're telling me is that the FBI has inmates working their finger print database? And that Duane had his fingerprints changed by an inmate friend who got a job that an inmate or ex. con could get, like at the FBI? Hmmmm....wow. I didn't know the FBI hired people like that.

There was a recent story on the news about several people going for jobs at the FBI and they couldn't be hired because they might have smoked pot many years ago. Even though they've been clean for years the FBI wouldn't hire, or is dragging their feet. I bet if those applicants could do it over, they'd trade a few tokes in the past with a criminal record, and they'd have badges. Wow...I didn't know the FBI was like that.

Thanks for the info.

Brenda

P.S. Makes me wonder if there's any relation between the existence of Robert Knoss and smoking pot ???


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skyjack71

Aug 4, 2007, 9:17 PM
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Please read the entire site:

I will tell this one more time, but this is causing the thread to become repetitive.

FrownThe Fingerprints:

In 1965-1968 - Jefferson City Federal Prison:

One inmate who escaped and remained at large for some time managed to get his prints changed within the system. ShockedThis is a FACT documented in court records. This man was a friend of Duane's and the two common-law spouses shared living accommodations near the prison. Duane's common law-wife of the time verified the connection in the 90's and prior to her death in 2006.

The warden of this prison was investigated as was many of his staff and charged with inproprieties over a period of yrs..

This same prison has not provided me with the information that I have asked for many times - and what information they have provided changes.

It was not uncommon in those days for a prisoner of a non-violent crime to do office duty - especially those who had brilliant minds, with manners and the ability to do jobs they would have to hire someone to do. These jobs included filing or record keeping.

If this "friend" of Duane's got his prints changed within the system during the same time -Wink how many other prisoners managed to get the same thing done.? It could also have been prison staff - much went on in this prison during the time span the two spent there.

UnsureRemember that we are talking about the 1960's not today - different times, different rules.


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mark  (D 6108)

Aug 5, 2007, 6:01 AM
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In 1965-1968 - Jefferson City Federal Prison:

One inmate who escaped and remained at large for some time managed to get his prints changed within the system. ShockedThis is a FACT documented in court records. This man was a friend of Duane's and the two common-law spouses shared living accommodations near the prison. Duane's common law-wife of the time verified the connection in the 90's and prior to her death in 2006.

The warden of this prison was investigated as was many of his staff and charged with inproprieties over a period of yrs..

This same prison has not provided me with the information that I have asked for many times - and what information they have provided changes.

One reason why they might be unable to provide you the information you want is that they don't exist. There is no Federal Prison in Jefferson City, Missouri.

Mark


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Aug 5, 2007, 8:46 AM
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One reason why they might be unable to provide you the information you want is that they don't exist. There is no Federal Prison in Jefferson City, Missouri.

Mark

Are you saying there isn't one there now, or there never was one there?

And if there was one during that time frame but it closed, where do you find the records for it? They have to go somewhere, right?


mark  (D 6108)

Aug 5, 2007, 9:12 AM
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Are you saying there isn't one there now, or there never was one there?

Jo uses the present tense to describe her attempts to get information from the so-called prison.

To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Federal Penitentiary in Jefferson City.

Not that it would matter. State and federal fingerprint files are located at state and federal criminal investigation facilities, not at prisons or penitentiaries. Changing fingerprint cards at a prison might help with an identity-theft type of escape via work-release or similar program, but wouldn't change the files anywhere else in the system.

The truth is that Dan Cooper was exchanged with Oleg Penkovsky in a CIA operation. Most of the details of this operation (code-named "Majestic-1", abbreviated "MJ-1") are still secret. Sy Hersh's soon-to-be-released book will shed some light.

Mark


awsee1  (Student)

Aug 5, 2007, 8:52 PM
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I think it's pretty clear that Duane Weber was a petty thief and forgerer, and would never have attempted a crime such as air piracy. I googled "db cooper" and I'm astounded at the evidence WRT one TED Mayfield.

For anyone interested pls check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Db_cooper


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skyjack71

Aug 5, 2007, 11:49 PM
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SmileJefferson City - it is the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson, Mo. It was the 60's not 2007. Rules where different - the other inmate was none other than James Earl Ray - who killed Martin Luther King.

SmileWe did not have the FBI data base in 1960's that exists today. Duane did not commit another Federal offense for which he was caught - they never caught the fact that his file at Jefferson did not match his file from the other 5 prisons. Therefore what did go into the data base was the Jefferson prints...and the FBI has NEVER compared the FBI prints with the prints at the other 5 prisons.

PirateI am too ill to continue to repeat myself and use my energy to educate those who prefer to trash over 12 yrs of research without substantial research of their own.

PirateHistory and trivia? - beginning to sound more like BonFire. Folks, I am sorry , but I have better things to do - My efforts are better spent on my health .


TongueGoodby, Jo Weber


airtwardo  (D License)

Aug 5, 2007, 11:59 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Federal Penitentiary in Jefferson City.



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The truth is that Dan Cooper was exchanged with Oleg Penkovsky in a CIA operation.

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...and you KNOW that's the 'truth' because of all the research you did? Sly


mark  (D 6108)

Aug 6, 2007, 6:15 AM
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To the best of my knowledge

Not very knowledgeable, I guess.

http://www.bop.gov has the locations of all 21 Federal Penitentiaries, none of which are located in Jefferson City, Missouri.

Jo has changed her story: it's now the Missouri State Penitentiary.

Not that it matters. State and federal investigators do not keep their fingerprint files at prisons and penitentiaries.

James Earl Ray did "escape" from the Missouri State Pen in 1967. Has anybody compared his prints to those of Lee Harvey Oswald? The CIA has attempted to cover its tracks, but the plot is beginning to come to light. Invest in Alcoa.

Mark


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JohnRich  (D License)

Aug 6, 2007, 11:25 AM
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To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Federal Penitentiary in Jefferson City.

Then your knowledge is apparently lacking.

According to this web site, there have been executions of federal prisoners there. So it appears that federal prisoners are sometimes kept in State penitentiaries, thus leading to some of your confusion.

And a simple Google search turns up lots of info on the prison, like this.

It was built in 1835, and just decommissioned in October of 2004. That's a long time (169 years) for you to have never noticed it...

IMO, instead of nitpicking exactly what type of prison it is, you should spend a little more effort concentrating on the meat and potatoes of the story.


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mark  (D 6108)

Aug 6, 2007, 12:01 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Federal Penitentiary in Jefferson City.

Then your knowledge is apparently lacking.

According to this web site, there have been executions of federal prisoners there. So it appears that federal prisoners are sometimes kept in State penitentiaries, thus leading to some of your confusion.

And a simple Google search turns up lots of info on the prison, like this.

It was built in 1835, and just decommissioned in October of 2004. That's a long time (169 years) for you to have never noticed it...

IMO, instead of nitpicking exactly what type of prison it is, you should spend a little more effort concentrating on the meat and potatoes of the story.

Sorry. The State Penitentiary is not a Federal Penitentiary.

Not that it matters, since altering fingerprint records there would not alter them anywhere else.

Mark


awsee1  (Student)

Aug 6, 2007, 5:57 PM
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MO, instead of nitpicking exactly what type of prison it is, you should spend a little more effort concentrating on the meat and potatoes of the story.

I've read the entire thread, top to bottom. Not saying I've memorized it, but I'd have to say there is a lot
more "story" than there is meat or potatoes.

Brenda


JohnRich  (D License)

Aug 7, 2007, 9:36 AM
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The State Penitentiary is not a Federal Penitentiary.

She called it a federal prison, and you made the statement that there is no such federal prison in that location. That implied that she was off her rocker and making up her story about D.B. Cooper having served time there, and from that single point, implied that the remainder of her story should be discredited also.

In fact, there is a prison there, it's just a State pen instead of a Federal pen. And that State pen has housed federal prisoners, because they've been executed there. And you can't execute 'em if they haven't been there.

So, while your nitpick point is technically correct, the implications that sprung forth from that are not. She is not off her rocker for saying that there was a penitentiary in Jefferson City, because there was. And calling it a Federal penitentiary, since it has housed some federal prisoners, isn't really that big an error.


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mark  (D 6108)

Aug 7, 2007, 11:50 AM
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The State Penitentiary is not a Federal Penitentiary.

She called it a federal prison, and you made the statement that there is no such federal prison in that location. That implied that she was off her rocker and making up her story about D.B. Cooper having served time there, and from that single point, implied that the remainder of her story should be discredited also.

In fact, there is a prison there, it's just a State pen instead of a Federal pen. And that State pen has housed federal prisoners, because they've been executed there. And you can't execute 'em if they haven't been there.

So, while your nitpick point is technically correct, the implications that sprung forth from that are not. She is not off her rocker for saying that there was a penitentiary in Jefferson City, because there was. And calling it a Federal penitentiary, since it has housed some federal prisoners, isn't really that big an error.

I'm not sure that there are federal prisoners serving time (as opposed to waiting execution) in state prisons. Perhaps you'd be able to shed some light on that.

Now the point you haven't responded to: not that it really matters, since the point of her post was fingerprint-switching at the prison or penitentiary, which would hardly affect the fingerprint files held by state or federal investigators.

Erich von Daniken proof: it might have happened, so it did happen.

Mark


jackwilson  (Student)

Aug 7, 2007, 1:02 PM
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I agree with Mark.

Changing prints at one prison, would not change your prints in the entire federal and state system.

To think, that a prison, would allow prisoners access to fingerprint cards, is very difficult to believe.

Why not just give them a key to their cells.

Plus, if he did change the print cards, how did he get out to prison? Don't the prison's re-print inmates upon release, and check their prints, and photo's, to make sure they are releasing the right prisoner?

Let's assume this happened. Then, why was Duane having nightmare's that he left prints on the aftstairs in 1978? Heck, his prints had been changed in the system, so, the prints on the jet would not match his anyway.

It's a great story, but, is it a story, or the truth.

James Frey wrote a wonderful book, turns out, he took commercial license with certain things.

I get the feeling, the same is happening here.

Jacko.


skyjack71

Aug 9, 2007, 12:35 AM
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ShockedShockedI am not going to sit here and let a bunch of unscrupolous trolls try to destroy all that I have done.

Wilson states:
"To think, that a prison, would allow prisoners access to fingerprint cards, is very difficult to believe."

UnimpressedMy Reply: 1964 was a different time - different rules. Study your history before making such ridiculous remarks.

Wilson states:
"Don't the prison's re-print inmates upon release, and check their prints, and photo's, to make sure they are releasing the right prisoner?{"

UnimpressedMy reply: In the sixties LOTS of things happened in that prison - read about it - study the history of that prison and the corruption that abound in that prison at that time.

Wilson states:
"Let's assume this happened. Then, why was Duane having nightmare's that he left prints on the aftstairs in 1978? Heck, his prints had been changed in the system, so, the prints on the jet would not match his anyway."

SmileMy reply: A dream is a dream - he couldn't be sure that they had not figured out which inmates had done the same thing as James Earl Ray did. Hence he had a fear which was revealed in the dream.

Wilson states:
"It's a great story, but, is it a story, or the truth.
James Frey wrote a wonderful book, turns out, he took commercial license with certain things.
I get the feeling, the same is happening here."

SmileMy Reply: I am not writing a book - maybe you are?

FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND ALL WHO MAY READ THIS: My father caught me in a lie at the ripe old age of 6 "Do not tell me a lie. it takes a genius to lie and you, Jo are not a genius." It is a lesson I never forgot and one by which I have lived my life.

MadPS: I said Goodbye, but to sit here and let someone attack my character and claim that I am enhancing the truth, I will not stand for. What part of this do you not understand...at my age and with my health I have NOTHING to gain financially - I just want the truth.

MadMany mistakes have been made in the investigation of "Cooper" and many more where made when a viable suspect was presented, because the FBI and CIA cannot and will not account for their actions of the 60's and 70's. Study your history.

CoolSmileWinkBy the way - One of the very first leads about who Cooper was came out the prison in Jefferson - this was in 1971 and was never thorougly investigated. It was swep under the rug by the system.


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bozo  (D 10154)

Aug 9, 2007, 10:19 AM
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ShockedShockedI am not going to sit here and let a bunch of unscrupolous trolls try to destroy all that I have done.


MadPS: I said Goodbye, but to sit here and let someone attack my character and claim that I am enhancing the truth, I will not stand for. What part of this do you not understand...at my age and with my health I have NOTHING to gain financially - I just want the truth.

Jo....I am not saying this to be cruel but it needs to be said. You say you want the truth...thats great...but it seems you just want "your" truth and no one elses.
I am quite confident that Duane was just a small time crook and in the same vein, just another liar.
He wasnt DB Cooper.


jackwilson  (Student)

Aug 9, 2007, 8:52 PM
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I agree with Bozo.

None of us trying to be cruel.

We are simply pointing out "holes" in the story.

Calling someone a "troll", simply because they disagree with your story, is not a cool thing to do.

IF you want to fight back. Get a picture of Duane skydiving, or a name of the doctor in Ca. who treated him for the alleged leg injury, or have the Robert Knoss guy come out of the Witness Protection Program, or the skydiving instructor who taught Duane in the late 60's, or the name of the skydiving center.

BTW: Inside Edition re-ran the episode about Cooper and Mayfield tonight. I missed the first running, and had to catch it on the web. No mention of Duane in the piece.

Skyjack, why don't you contact Inside Edition, and get them to run your story?

jacko


skyjack71

Aug 10, 2007, 10:42 PM
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IF you want to fight back. Get a picture of Duane skydiving, or a name of the doctor in Ca. who treated him for the alleged leg injury, or have the Robert Knoss guy come out of the Witness Protection Program, or the skydiving instructor who taught Duane in the late 60's, or the name of the skydiving center.

TongueShockedGo back and read this thread from being to end - that is why I am on this site and started this thread - and I have received a lot of help from some of the amazing skydivers who read this forum

UnsureCrazyThe only persons I am referring to as "trolls" are individuals who came to this site after the Mayfield program and have posted in no other threads."

UnimpressedI have been approached by many programs including Inside Edition and have refused to do anymore documentaries. What I am trying to do with this thread is what the FBI and CIA did not do. Making a plead to the skydiving world to contact all of the old-times and show them Duane's picture - most are older than I am and not computer savy.

SmileFrownInformation, is my sole reason for being here on this site. I do not have time nor energy to deal with those individuals who make trivial comments and have no consideration for my efforts. Like your comment that I should find the Doctor - use your head - would you have went to a Dr.if you were Cooper?. How would you propose I find a Dr. who treated someone in 1971? Think about the yrs that have gone by and the government has done nothing to bring an end to this old case.


awsee1  (Student)

Aug 13, 2007, 4:01 PM
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Skyjack71,

If you are seeking the "truth" why in your profile do you call yourself the "Widow of DB Cooper"?

You have told me in PM's to read this site and see all the "evidence" for myself. I have done just that and can't find anything but "stories" and nonsense. Case in point is post #145 where you try to show that an old photo of someone holding cheap sunglasses and an old 8-track case under a camping table at a garage sale is "proof" that Duane is Cooper.

I'm not even going to credit that with a response, other than to say....."last gasp".

Brenda


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Aug 13, 2007, 9:53 PM
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Hi jack,

What happened to your last post?

Jerry Crazy


jackwilson  (Student)

Aug 14, 2007, 3:06 PM
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Good point Brenda.

BTW: Does calling yourself the "widow of DB Cooper get you a better table at your favorite restaurant"?,

or does it simply get you seated next to the air marshall on your next plane trip?

Anyway, I have a limited education, but, as a bartender, I can tell the difference between a story, and the truth.

For example:

You stated that in the early 90's that you held an airline ticket in your hands, that was dated 11/24/71, and was from Sea-tac to Portland, and was Dan Cooper's.

So, how is it that you said in the hospital, you didnt' know the name Dan Cooper, when Duane said he was Cooper. Is this the truth?

If not, and you didn't know about Cooper, why in the world would you remember the date, airline, cities, and name on a ticket, that was in the tax files, of a man you weren't even married to at the time? Why would anyone care about a twenty year old plane ticket, and why would any memorize the name, cities, airline, and date?

It is because of this claim, that Himmelsbach became interested in your story.

Then, when the time came, the airline ticket mysteriously vanished. It doesn't add up.

You said Duane probably threw it away or buried it, but, why would he keep it for 20 years, and then get rid of it? Doesn't make sense to me.

Either you knew who Cooper was back in the early 90's, or the airline ticket never existed.

In addition, we are supposed to believe that Cooper planned everything to a "t", according to Mayfield's line, and then Cooper can't remember where he buried the money?

Doesn't make any sense. If Duane had buried the money in a bucket, and couldn't find it, then how in the world did he find 3 packets, and according to you, throw them into the Columbia river, in 1979.

FTR. The hydrologists who examined the site along the Columbia river where the 6k was found, said the money was in the sand for years, probably since the time of the heist, or soon thereafter.

If Duane had saved 6k of the bills, why didn't he simply keep one of the bills, put it in a safety deposit box, and tell you to sell the story when he dies? Or is this what is happening, minus a 20?

Also, you state Duane hurt his leg in the jump. Well, how did he get from southern Washington to California, with a severe leg injury? Who drove him, where did he stay? How is it you can place him in California in 1972?

What does Duane being in California in 1972, have to do with the hijacking in Portland in November of 1971.

Time to find proof, instead of stories.

Find the man who trained Duane to skydive, find "ONE" photo of Duane skydiving, or have Robert Knoss come out of hiding, and tell us how he knows Duane was trained as a skydiver in MN.

Heck, you found the "alledged" sunglasses, and briefcase, certainly, you can find a photo of the suit, or Duane diving, or part of Cooper's chute, the ransom note, etc.

Also, how is it, that not "ONE" person, no relatives, no ex-wives, no skydivers, nobody, called in Duane's name to the FBI as a suspect, from 1971-1996?

According to you, he was a trained skydiver, you think resembles the "ONE" sketch, and his criminal background, why didn't anyone call in his name? until you did in 1996, and the fbi blew you off, according to your own words.

I know you claimed to be married to Db Cooper, and most people disagree. Thing is, you have spoken to Cooper, you just didn't know it.

Also, isn't it true on the KOIN show, the men said that the stewardess was shown a photo of your husband, and the stewardess said that your husband was NOT DB Cooper. Is this true?


I was told to use my head, and this is what I came up with.

jacko


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jackwilson  (Student)

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Hi jack,

What happened to your last post?

Jerry Crazy

It was being re-tooled.

jacko


skyjack71

Aug 15, 2007, 12:10 AM
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Jack states: "I can tell the difference between a story, and the truth."

SmileJo Replies: I can tell a troll when I see one.

Jack states:"You stated that in the early 90's that you held an airline ticket in your hands, that was dated 11/24/71, and was from Sea-tac to Portland, and was Dan Cooper's".

SmileJo Replies: I never said the ticket said Dan Cooper. I have an unique ability to remember things from the past...which has been exhibited by my recall in not only this incident, but thru out my life. The date was February of 1994 that I found the ticket.

Jack states: "the hospital, you didnt' know the name Dan Cooper, when Duane said he was Cooper. Is this the truth?"

SmileJo Replies: I did not know the name Dan Cooper nor did I know hardly anything about D.B. Cooper until May 24 1996 around midnight...that is the night I called the FBI. In 1971 I lived in a small town and the war was going on - there was a small article about D.B. Cooper inside the paper.

SmileWhen I saw the ticket - the date and place registered and nothing else other than a general description of the ticket. It would have seemed insignificant had he not asked me later what I did with the old ticket and yet, when I was reading it out loud - he had told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore. I went out to look for the ticket with the things I had thrown away, but it wasn't there. That meant it was still in the box in his bedroom. He was laid up with a broken leg.

SmileHe retrieved the ticket himself from the box and I would see it one more time when I was putting his socks away at a later date and again mention it. This time it disappeared for good. In the fall of 1994 I had a garage sale - I had a girl helping me because I had to take him to dialysis and pick him up. When I got home with him - she asked me what to do with the book wasn't a book and what was inside. Duane told her to set it aside (he was exhausted from the treatment). Later that same evening he asked me to go get the book - I searched thru the garage and it was not there...I called the helper and she told me she didn't remember what she did with it. He simply said "Well, it's gone now."

SmileI married Duane in 1978 - don't know where you got that we were not married. We were married 17yrs.

SmileRegarding the money he couldn't find - Between 1971 and 1979 there had been a flood and lots of things had changed - I never knew if the statement referred to that day on the river or to something else. I had to make natural assumptions. He was also out of my presence two other times during that trip - He always said "Don't put all your eggs in one basket".

SmileIf a new analysis could be done on those bills the readings will be different - the forensic technology of the 1979 cannot touch the science of 2007.

SmileI do believe he kept one of the bills and that I inadvertantly disposed of it - WHY!? - because I didn't know who Dan Cooper was and it was just an old $20 bill in a bank called "Symba". He couldn't tell me prior to that last week of his life - he knew my principals and that I would have turned him in and he would have spent the rest of his life in a prison. He did try to tell me who he was in the hospital - I just didn't get it. Dan Cooooper meant nothing to me.

Jack States: "How did he get from southern Washington to California, with a severe leg injury? Who drove him, where did he stay? How is it you can place him in California in 1972?"

SmileJo Replies: If I could answer all of that I would be better than the FBI and this would all be over. I do know that a note was sent by someone to a newpaper claiming it was from Cooper. It was post marked only 28 miles from were his sister was living at the time. This note is supposedly in WA. DC and not in the state FBI files...I was told this by the FBI but it doesn't make much sense. All they need to do is test that note and envelope against the DNA and prints of Duane L. Weber.

SmileIf I stated that Duane was in CA in 1972 that would have been in error and should have read 1971 - I do not know where you got the information, but do remember that I am OLD and when I am typing rapidly and working from recall and not NOTES that mistakes are made.

SmileThe FBI is the one who needs to provide PROOF - that he is not COOPER by checking out the above.

SmileRegarding the sunglasses:
I was provided with the photos by the ex-wife of the time - she didn't tell me why she sent me that particular photo. Wonder why? The FBI interviewed her but according to her daughter her mother estroyed some items prior to their appointment.

Jack States:
"Nobody , called in Duane's name to the FBI as a suspect, from 1971-1996?"

SmileWRONG: Leads came out of Jefferson City, but the FBI did not follow up on them very well -a resident of that establishment told the FBI they knew who Cooper was.

SmileTHE COMPOSITE: The composite that was circulated in 1971 was the old Bing Crosby look-alike and that saved his hide.

SmileThe FBI originally blew me off until more evidence presented itself - why did they get his DNA in 2003?

Jack States: "I know you claimed to be married to Db Cooper, and most people disagree. Thing is, you have spoken to Cooper, you just didn't know it."

SmileJo Replys: Well Catcher you just ID'ed yourself - only one person would have made that statement and that is the man who took Mayfield before a camera to defend himself. Also
Quote:
Most people
seems to be a minority.

CoolThe stewardess has NEVER seen photos of Duane that I am aware of and if she has been show photos then she needs to be shown ALL of the photos - remember his chameleon appearance.

Jack states: "I was told to use my head, and this is what I came up with."

CoolI have given you your answers and remember I do this from memory - I do not have time to find notes and I will make a minor mistake now and then.


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Jack states: "I can tell the difference between a story, and the truth."

SmileJo Replies: I can tell a troll when I see one.



Heres the bottom line.
Jo, you are convinced , beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your lowlife, smalltime , lifetime criminal husband was/is DB Cooper. You will argue the point to the grave.
Although you can provide no connection with parachuting nor skydiving with him.
Everyone that disagrees with you is labeled a troll. Call me what you will...your former hubby was not Dan Cooper.