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What out-of-the-ordinary things do you do for safety?

 


1010  (B 28561)

Mar 15, 2006, 12:40 PM
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Somebody posted that they put all new rubber bands on their dbag after a weekend of jumping. Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Got some others?


tso-d_chris

Mar 15, 2006, 12:46 PM
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I don't swoop with scissors. Tongue


AMax

Mar 15, 2006, 12:55 PM
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Somebody posted that they put all new rubber bands on their dbag after a weekend of jumping. Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Got some others?

I don't see a need to replace ALL the rubber bands after a weekend of jumping unless they are not in a good shape. I do like to replace them when they look like they are about to break.


piisfish

Mar 15, 2006, 1:08 PM
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For safety ?? I sometimes let a packer pack my parachute Laugh


TheDonMan  (D 25289)

Mar 15, 2006, 1:15 PM
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For safety ?? I sometimes let a packer pack my parachute Laugh

Dito that!!!! they don't call me The "non packing" Don Man for nothing... have had very few cut aways since i gave up packing...Tongue


peckerhead

Mar 15, 2006, 1:33 PM
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Why replace them before they break?

They will either break when you are stowing the lines or during deployment.

If it breaks while you are packing then replace it. If it breaks during deployment then replace it the next time you pack.






kelpdiver  (B 7)

Mar 15, 2006, 1:35 PM
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not sure that's always a gain for safety. Do you pick particular packers? What about visiting elsewhere?

The variation between soft and hard openings was greater for me with packer jobs (esp at boogies) than it is when I do it. I still may pay some of the time, but it's not about safety, other than indirectly because I'm not so exhausted by the last jump.


councilman24  (D 8631)

Mar 15, 2006, 2:10 PM
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Man, you know I can just not buy into using a packer. They didn't exist for the first 15-18 years of my career. I'm faster, not necessarily for the pack job itself, although I'm propably as fast, but my rig isn't waiting in line.Tongue

I want to know whats on my back. I want to look at the rig. I just don't get it.

What really bugs me are the people that don't even know how to pack. A quote I heard from someone with 150 jumps. "I think I had to pack once to get my license but it hurts my hands."Crazy It probably shouldn't bother me. If they have the money I guess I shouldn't care. But even when we didn't have packers I got upset at jumpers who didn't know how to put their three ring together.Mad And didn't WANT to know.


Hmmm, maybe this is a poll. Do riggers use packers less often than non riggers?

As for safety, the biggest thing I did was become a rigger. I had a 1400' reserve total (pulled at 1700'). There were 5 or 6 little rigging errors. Probably none of them were the direct cause but they may have contributed. The rigger that packed it had 39 malfunctions. But this was kind of like Jack Benny being 39, he had stopped counting. But all of his reserve rides were on chest mount rounds and mainly canopy transfers.
The other riggers in the area I didn't trust any more than him. Or they didn't want to do sport rigs.

But not just a rigger, a curious rigger. I've been to all the rigger conferences/PIA symposia since 1989 except one and helped with several. I've brought back several new techniques and special pieces of knowledge to the riggers here that might of got here eventually.

And the safety aspect isn't juet knowing my reserve. It's knowing about the gear in general and being able to recognize problems and fix them.



Another aspect for safety has been investing in an AAD. I jumped for about 15 years before the cypres was widely available. AAD's existed but were not considered reliable enough NOT to fire when not needed. I had a friend die after being knocked unconcious exiting a DC3. Almost the whole DZ of experienced jumpers were on the 24 way with her. Many said they were going to get an FXC. Many more said they were going to get a hard helmet. (She was wearing a frap hat.) NOT ONE FXC or hard helmet was purchased because of that fatality.Unimpressed

I've never needed my cypres but several friends have. And I'm glad they're still here. I used to describe skydiving as the only activity where you were guaranteed to die unless you took an deliberate, positive action. Driving down the road and taking your hands off the wheel and feet off the pedals, you might/probably won't die. I'm sure there are other cases almost as sure, but without an AAD you are going to die once you leave the airplane unless you DO something. And that was part of the atraction of the sport. The selfreliance required. I don't get to say this anymore.

Day to day safety? Know your gear, know your limits, and leave your ego at the door.


JohnRich  (D License)

Mar 15, 2006, 3:04 PM
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Check straps, check handles, twirl rings, rub rabbit foot for good luck. Never, ever, forget to rub your rabbit foot.

You do have a rabbit foot, don't you?


(This post was edited by JohnRich on Mar 15, 2006, 3:06 PM)


Liemberg  (Student)

Mar 15, 2006, 3:45 PM
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You do have a rabbit foot, don't you?

Nah, that's completely outdated. Nobody does that anymore.

I touch tailwing*) before boarding and stare down at the DZ before exit looking for "the perfect 45 degree angle"...
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There used to be a ritual that involved virgins blood, twirling rings and burning chickenfeathers but... O well... Tongue

(I wonder if I can keep getting away any longer with only replacing broken rubber bands when they actually break during the packjob. Anybody willing to send me some fresh virgins, just to be on the safe side?)

*) Briefly touching the tail(wing) before boarding BTW is the best safety ritual anybody ever taught me.... Smile


brabzzz  (C 103268)

Mar 15, 2006, 3:50 PM
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I don't do it (a mate does) - check the yellow things are really through the stingy things after opening. I suppose it makes sense - you don't want to find out they are, but only just, at 500ft...


1010  (B 28561)

Mar 15, 2006, 5:22 PM
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>I had a 1400' reserve total

Care to share what you did to survive that situation?


1010  (B 28561)

Mar 15, 2006, 5:23 PM
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>Why replace them before they break?

I've noticed that the rubber bands stretch out in a non-uniform manner, in addition to some becoming nicked and so forth. I use small bands for all the non-locking stows and I like my lines tight and uniform without double stowing. Rubberbands are cheap.

Smile


davehartley  (D 102644)

Mar 15, 2006, 5:28 PM
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2 reasons that I can see. 1, A bungie that looks like breaking probably will break, and will take much less force to do so than it's brand new tight fitting neighbour, and this imbalance is likely to cause twists. 2, If bungies break whilst you are beating up the container in order to close it, that must have potential for causing line dump. I like to be environmentally friendly (if you exclude burning obscene amounts of aircraft fuel), but I reckon the planets rubber reserves will still last out if I get a couple of jumps less out of each bungy.


1010  (B 28561)

Mar 15, 2006, 5:37 PM
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I don't do it (a mate does) - check the yellow things are really through the stingy things after opening. I suppose it makes sense - you don't want to find out they are, but only just, at 500ft...

yep, I always do that too, a mini gear-check after opening


AFFI  (D 25538)

Mar 15, 2006, 6:03 PM
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Train...


Ron

Mar 15, 2006, 6:15 PM
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What out-of-the-ordinary things do you do for safety?

Answer questions on here.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Mar 15, 2006, 7:05 PM
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I PLF whenever I'm not absolutely certain of the landing.

Wendy W.


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Mar 15, 2006, 8:56 PM
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Figure out what everyone's doing on every load I'm on. Usually chat to the people exiting after me about winds and separation.


payback462

Mar 15, 2006, 9:41 PM
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sometimes if im feeling especially safe ill actually flake my customers canopies, but ussually only if the have big tits, or deep pockets


bodypilot1  (D 16037)

Mar 15, 2006, 9:58 PM
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I always make sure I dont have a nut under one of my leg straps before I jump. UnimpressedLaugh




Be safe
Ed


TheDonMan  (D 25289)

Mar 16, 2006, 5:48 AM
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ok guys, this is the relation to my Rigger. She is the only one that packs my rig. I am always first in line because 1. I drive her to the DZ. 2. I was the one to teach her how to pack. (I have packed in the past for the DZ) 3. I pay her well. and 4. My opening are very consistent.

I have the kind of relationship with my packer that if something does open strange, I can let her know. Sometimes she blames it on me but most of the time she will investigate closer and make adjustments. Then let me know what she did so i can give her back input of wether is was positive or negative.

For some people like myself, I have 2 rigs, one has a Xaos and the other a VX. Both are heavily loaded and my openings for the most part are on heading and smooth. I do alot of AFF and Tandem jumps and it pays to be abel to debrief or brief a student while your rig is being packed. I pay dearly for this service but in the long run I'm not rushed to pack in order to get on the plane and I can give more time to my students while still on the ground.

In short what works for some people may not work for others.


Mush  (A License)

Mar 16, 2006, 3:11 PM
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I always make sure I dont have a nut under one of my leg straps before I jump. UnimpressedLaugh

This is always been on my mind, does this happen Shocked

Never read about it before Unimpressed


AFFI  (D 25538)

Mar 16, 2006, 3:39 PM
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I always make sure I dont have a nut under one of my leg straps before I jump. UnimpressedLaugh

This is always been on my mind, does this happen Shocked

Never read about it before Unimpressed

Ball under malfunction. OUCH!


DJL  (C License)

Mar 16, 2006, 3:51 PM
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Ever since an amigo jumped without her chest strap fastened I've found myself checking the strap before I deploy. Then I think "You pussy!"


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Mar 16, 2006, 4:48 PM
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Figure out what everyone's doing on every load I'm on. Usually chat to the people exiting after me about winds and separation.
That's a damn good one. I've had too many folks follow me out too closely.

My thing is that I try to remember that there is not a skydive you can make that can't kill you. I'm not real obsessive about safety, but I try to be thorough, and survive each jump, one at a time.


(This post was edited by JohnMitchell on Mar 16, 2006, 4:51 PM)


tbrown  (D 6533)

Mar 16, 2006, 8:46 PM
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I PLF whenever I'm not absolutely certain of the landing.

Wendy W.

Jerry Borquin (license D-22 and a founding member of the Golden Knights) does a textbook PLF on ALL of his landings. Saw him do it a couple times on a beautiful day at Elsinore a few weeks ago. Everybody else was doing easy standup landings (even me, so it really was a perfect day for it), but Jerry prefers the tried & true PLF. And he really does a perfect PLF at that, rolls over, feet up & together.

May not be as graceful or as cool looking as everyone else, but I bet he doesn't go breaking a leg the way I once did either.


(This post was edited by tbrown on Mar 16, 2006, 8:48 PM)


jwynne  (D License)

Mar 17, 2006, 4:22 PM
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I scan who's on the plane and think about canopy sizes, aproachs and what the landing traffic is likely to look like. Then I look for everyone under canopy and decide if I'm comfortable heading for the main landing area. I have a serious fear of dying close to the ground under an open canopy, due to someone else HP swoop


Duckwater  (A 40055)

Mar 18, 2006, 3:16 PM
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1. I always use a packer. I have over 900 jumps and I have NEVER packed a parachute. I have never had a bad pack job.

2. I never jump on the weekends. I jumped at Perris during the week and I usually know everybody on the plane. No offense, but go watch landings during the week, then the weekend. The 'weekend warriors' are all over the place and a lot of them cant fly their canopies well.

3. I keep my rig in top shape and ask my riggers for any advice. Tack your Slinks. Get hard riser inserts, get elastic to stow your excess. I had a cut away and a rear riser landing because I did not tack my slinks or stow my excess at first.

4. Take a canopy flight course. This was by far the most important thing I did. A canpy is a complex airfoil with complex controls and characteristics. You HAVE to be taught to fly it properly. Training yourself is the dumbest thing you could ever do.

5. Listen - Go find the people with 10,000 jumps and ask them for advice. Watch how people like Tony Dominico fly their canopies. You dont have to swoop, ever. Wisdom on the DZ is free and it is easy to find. The people with it are usually very open to giving it to you, but they wont force it on you.

6. Read the incidents forum on DZ.com. It is a gold mine of knowledge and full of stories of what, and what NOT to do.


AMax

Mar 19, 2006, 11:20 PM
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1. I always use a packer. I have over 900 jumps and I have NEVER packed a parachute.

and you list this as a "safety thing"? Unsure


loumeinhart  (D 30065)

Mar 20, 2006, 7:38 AM
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I always make sure I dont have a nut under one of my leg straps before I jump.

I have tears coming down my face


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bodypilot1  (D 16037)

Mar 20, 2006, 9:03 AM
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I always make sure I dont have a nut under one of my leg straps before I jump.

I have tears coming down my face


You'll also have the same out come if you dont do the safety procedure as I mentioned above! ShockedLaugh


Be safe
Ed


Andy9o8  (D License)

Mar 20, 2006, 1:04 PM
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1. I always use a packer. I have over 900 jumps and I have NEVER packed a parachute.

No offense, maybe it's because I started in the sport when it was practically unheard of for anyone (other than S/L students) to jump a rig they hadn't packed for themselves, but this is just mind-blowing to me.


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winsor  (D 13715)

Mar 21, 2006, 11:24 AM
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Example:

Somebody posted that they put all new rubber bands on their dbag after a weekend of jumping. Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Got some others?

One thing I do is to request that everyone on the load check their straps and handles one last time, typically as we climb through 10,000 feet. If Orly King or Scotty Carbone is on the load I don't bother, since they tend to make a similar announcement.

Though some people roll their eyes - and it appears to rankle the hell out of a few others - I have seen enough people rapidly rethread a chest strap or pull out a cutaway handle that was tucked under that I figure it is worth it.

I know of too many incidents that would have been avoided if someone had made that last check, and I'll be damned if it will happen on my watch.


Blue skies,

Winsor


HydroGuy

Mar 21, 2006, 1:10 PM
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I always make sure I dont have a nut under one of my leg straps before I jump.

I had a "nut-under" mal on one of my AFF jumps.

I check my leg straps EVERY time before I exit.


HydroGuy

Mar 21, 2006, 1:14 PM
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As for extraordinary things I do...every time I dump, I assume that I will have a high speed mal...like I TRUELY believe I will have one.

And I give my pilot chute a solid throw to clear my burble.

The thought of a high speed mal makes me more nervous than anything else in the sport.


Schoenauer  (D License)

Mar 21, 2006, 5:33 PM
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I take off my St. Christopher and leave on the ground in my gear bag at the start of the day. My mother...Angelic... gave it to me when I had about 50 jumps, for safe traveling.

The way I see it, I had about those 50 jump and felt the St. Christopher would just upset the balance.


Schoenauer  (D License)

Mar 21, 2006, 5:44 PM
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I handle check my PC just before I climb out even though I checked it several times before.


steelyeye

Mar 21, 2006, 5:59 PM
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Straps, handles, rings, hackey, and, most importantly, high fives all around (the two cutaways I have had were after NOT high-fiving...not superstitious, just believe in empirical evidence!).


tbrown  (D 6533)

Mar 21, 2006, 8:48 PM
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1. I always use a packer. I have over 900 jumps and I have NEVER packed a parachute.

No offense, maybe it's because I started in the sport when it was practically unheard of for anyone (other than S/L students) to jump a rig they hadn't packed for themselves, but this is just mind-blowing to me.

I just don't see where using a packer makes a person safer. If anything, packing your own gear, at least some of the time makes you safer by keeping you on more intimate terms with your rig and the condition it's in. And every now and then you hear about some boogie that had 8 cutaways in a single afternoon and that makes me think Uncle Fester must be on the loose again.

The one other thing I do for extra safety is I now carry my copy of my Cypres Owner's Manual in my gearbag - just in case anybody has a question or issue about their Cypres. I am NOT an authority on the Cypres and I don't go talking about them either. But IF somebody voices a concern, I can tell them I have a copy of the manual and they're welcome to have a look if they think it will help. Hasn't happened yet, but it's there anytime somebody wants to find an answer.


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Mar 21, 2006, 10:05 PM
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I just don't see where using a packer makes a person safer. If anything, packing your own gear, at least some of the time makes you safer by keeping you on more intimate terms with your rig and the condition it's in.

As said by a mate of mine last weekend: "The problem with always using a packer is that you don't know how shit your gear's become." His last 400 or so jumps have been team training, and at 10-12 jumps a day you gotta use a packer...


Inthebuff  (B 29044)

Mar 21, 2006, 10:19 PM
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When it rained in Spain in January me and my mucker handed over our 20 Euro's and did a packing course.
The faithful Rigger cast his all knowing eye over our work every now and then in between packing reserves.
On presenting him with my third attempt that had drained all my strength and took over half an hour he said is it good ? to which I replied yes.
Jump it then he said.So I did.
With a fair bit of trepadation pulling well high just in case, I looked up on opening and 'she' opened like a a beautiful flower, perfect.
It was quite a moment in my Sky Diving Life.

Just thought I'd share that with you 'brothers and sisters'.Wink

( Awaiting wise cracks Smile)


TrickyDicky  (C 103196)

Mar 22, 2006, 12:50 AM
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Thats good.. When I was taught to pack (using student equipment) one of the first things I was told was "If you wont jump it yourself, why should anyone else?". Heard of people who have replied to "Would you jump it yourself?" with a "No" and instantly got a bollocking and had the whole thing pulled out. Its only fair.

As for safety, I always check handles pads just before all the hi-fives.. and get someone to check my pin on run-in too.


grasshopper  (D License)

Mar 22, 2006, 10:58 AM
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I just don't see where using a packer makes a person safer.
Who do you think can pack more reliably, a person with 100 pack jobs or someone with 1000's.


Praetorian  (B 27234)

Mar 22, 2006, 11:53 AM
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Who do you think can pack more reliably, a person with 100 pack jobs or someone with 1000's

Ok I will concede this point... but who cares more about a packjob a packer who is packing for cash, or me a person who is packing to save my own life?


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Mar 22, 2006, 12:23 PM
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Who do you think can pack more reliably, a person with 100 pack jobs or someone with 1000's.

It's a good reason why not everyone is allowed to pack reserves.

How can anyone call him/herself as an independent skydiver if he/she is not able to pack his/her own main.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Mar 22, 2006, 4:22 PM
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but who cares more about a packjob a packer who is packing for cash, or me a person who is packing to save my own life?

Riggers pack reserves for cash! BlushShocked

Sparky


kelpdiver  (B 7)

Mar 22, 2006, 5:58 PM
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How can anyone call him/herself as an independent skydiver if he/she is not able to pack his/her own main.

Do you get a special patch for being an INDEPENDENT skydiver? That's a meaningless label, framed by your personal point of view.

If I only used a packer, I'd have gotten many fewer jumps in last year. If I never used one, the same is true. I'd max out at about 4 instead of 6-7 / day.

But I'm am a bit gunshy of packers at boogies now, unless I know them.


1010  (B 28561)

Mar 22, 2006, 8:57 PM
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2. I never jump on the weekends. I jumped at Perris during the week and I usually know everybody on the plane.
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This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for - I never would have thought of it myself. Thanks & thanks all.


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Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Mar 22, 2006, 10:23 PM
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>If I never used one, the same is true. I'd max out at about 4 instead of 6-7 / day.

I thought that too. But nowadays it takes me 6 minutes to pack. The more you do it, the faster you get.


speedy

Mar 23, 2006, 12:15 AM
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but who cares more about a packjob a packer who is packing for cash, or me a person who is packing to save my own life?

Riggers pack reserves for cash! BlushShocked

Sparky

Looking at what they get for a reserve pack job I can't believe that they only do it for the cash Tongue


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Mar 23, 2006, 2:07 AM
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So do we have to pay 4x more for packers to have better results in 4x more time? Wink


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kelpdiver  (B 7)

Mar 23, 2006, 5:09 AM
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>If I never used one, the same is true. I'd max out at about 4 instead of 6-7 / day.

I thought that too. But nowadays it takes me 6 minutes to pack. The more you do it, the faster you get.

sure, but it's still effort on a hot day in Davis.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Mar 23, 2006, 11:46 AM
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So do we have to pay 4x more for packers to have better results in 4x more time? Wink

This from someone with one chop every 68 jumps. I haven't had one in over 1000 or so jumps. Sounds like a good investment in time and money for you.

Sparky


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Mar 23, 2006, 11:51 AM
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>sure, but it's still effort on a hot day in Davis.

Oh, no argument there. Of course, just wearing a black jumpsuit and dirt diving during the day in Perris is an effort. But if you want to, you can pack for yourself and still make 10 jumps a day.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Mar 23, 2006, 11:55 AM
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This from someone with one chop every 68 jumps. I haven't had one in over 1000 or so jumps. Sounds like a good investment in time and money for you.

May I quote you? Is life is just a division? Is good judgment coming from simple numbers?


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Mar 23, 2006, 1:32 PM
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Check straps, check handles, twirl rings, rub rabbit foot for good luck. Never, ever, forget to rub your rabbit foot.

You do have a rabbit foot, don't you?

That rabbit foot wasn't very lucky for the rabbit, now was it???

Tongue

Anyway, printed on a little extra slip of paper with the packing data card in my rigs is:

"Meet me Jesus, Meet me
Meet me in the middle of the air
And if my wings should fail me Lord
Please meet me with another pair."

Okay, maybe more superstition then safety, but so far so good.

... and if you can name the group and song that's from without having to google it on the Internet... WinkTongue


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yeyo  (D 32048)

Mar 23, 2006, 5:24 PM
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... and if you can name the group and song that's from without having to google it on the Internet... WinkTongue

I know with out google Cool
In my time of dying, LZ


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Mar 23, 2006, 5:44 PM
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>"Meet me Jesus, Meet me
>Meet me in the middle of the air
>And if my wings should fail me Lord
>Please meet me with another pair."

Sounds remarkably like America:

Will you meet me in the middle
Will you meet me in the air?
Will you love me just a little
Just enough to show you care


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Mar 23, 2006, 7:00 PM
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Bucket of Blood, LZ. Cool
Sparky


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Mar 23, 2006, 8:08 PM
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>"Meet me Jesus, Meet me
>Meet me in the middle of the air
>And if my wings should fail me Lord
>Please meet me with another pair."

Sounds remarkably like America:

Will you meet me in the middle
Will you meet me in the air?
Will you love me just a little
Just enough to show you care


Mad

Comparing Led Zeppelin to America is not a "safe" thing to do BillV!


Tongue
Wink
Angelic


JohnRich  (D License)

Mar 24, 2006, 11:23 AM
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rub rabbit foot for good luck. Never, ever, forget to rub your rabbit foot.

You do have a rabbit foot, don't you?

That rabbit foot wasn't very lucky for the rabbit, now was it???

Nowadays we don't leave crippled rabbits hobbling around the woods like we used to in the good old days. The rabbit's feet sold now are just synthetic look-a-likes.

Uh-oh, it just occurred to me: maybe that means they no longer hold their magical luck power... Ack!


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Mar 24, 2006, 11:25 AM
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>Nowadays we don't leave crippled rabbits hobbling around the woods like we used to in the good old days.

Of course not, that would be inhumane. Fortunately rabbit leg prostheses have come a long way.


gofast_ER  (A 37436)

Mar 24, 2006, 3:20 PM
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As for extraordinary things I do...every time I dump, I assume that I will have a high speed mal...like I TRUELY believe I will have one.

And I give my pilot chute a solid throw to clear my burble.

The thought of a high speed mal makes me more nervous than anything else in the sport.

my 32nd jump was a pc in tow. Its all kinda blury now. I remember throwing the pc and going to the "boxman" position. A few seconds later i thought to myself...hmm...nothings happening. I kinda froze up. I think i was thinking no f'in way!!! this is not happening. Finally around 1000 i snapped out of it and pulled my reserve. It sure hurt to have my reserve come out while still in ff. But i guess it would have hurt more to have the ground brake my fall. Anyway, the fear didn't hit me till after i had landed. I turned white. One comment that stands out really good to me was "your face is as white as your helmet" I had just boght a new white helmet.


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Mar 27, 2006, 11:09 AM
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When I'm at the dz and not jumping I stand in the landing area with a video camera and film as many landings as possible. Then I throw the footage up on the TV in the hangar at the end of the day for everyone to watch and hopefully learn from.


MakeItHappen

Mar 27, 2006, 7:12 PM
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Can't believe this thread is still going... and with, for the most part, just ordinary things...

So, since I feel like blabbing.....

Here's what I do that is 'out of the ordinary'. I do all the ordinary things too.

- always boot up my equipment when I first get to the DZ - no exceptions. (That is set my CYPRES and dirt alert when I get to the DZ - not when I have a gear up call for my first jump, I boot up when I get to the DZ)

- gear check my gear after the last full dress dirt dive (before boarding)

- put my helmet on all the way when boarding. It keeps my hands free to check handles, move seatbelts etc, also protects against those occasional head butts when seating yourself

- check that the right side bench peg is in the hole in the floor. It is always a pain when the bench falls a few inches on takeoff. Scares the crap outta everyone and can give you bruises on the back of your calves.

- make sure my legs are not underneath the benches.

- make sure O2 hoses pass over both 'support' lines when at Perris for O2 jumps, even if on turn loads for others going to O2 altitudes

- monitor the cloud base, if there is one

- monitor the entire route to altitude. This lets me know if we are over rising terrain - just in case there was some sort of emergency exit.

- softly clench my teeth together on exit so when that foot kicks me under the chin I won't bite my tongue or chip my teeth.

- check my altitude after pulling, especially when the main is slow to open. Check altitude, check parachute, check altitude, check parachute, exit routine when main opens or at decision altitude, whichever comes first.

- work into the pattern to land at the gate

I am sure there are more idiosyncrasies that I do, but those are the ones I can think of right now.

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bob.dino  (E 2185)

Mar 27, 2006, 7:33 PM
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Here's what I do that is 'out of the ordinary'. I do all the ordinary things too.

I can't speak for the items related to O2 or to bench seating, but all the others are pretty normal, with the possible exception of this good idea:

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- monitor the entire route to altitude. This lets me know if we are over rising terrain - just in case there was some sort of emergency exit.


bodypilot1  (D 16037)

Mar 27, 2006, 7:52 PM
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also protects against those occasional head butts when seating yourself.

You did mean protect you from the Butt Heads you may be sitting next to, right? LaughLaughLaughTongue




Be safe
Ed


itllclear  (D 6366)

Mar 28, 2006, 9:12 PM
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Who do you think can pack more reliably, a person with 100 pack jobs or someone with 1000's.
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That's why I pack for myself unless I really know the packer!!!!

Great openings Sunday!

Blue Skies!

Harry


kwmontreal  (D 25906)

Mar 30, 2006, 1:04 PM
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Why replace them before they break?

They will either break when you are stowing the lines or during deployment.

If it breaks while you are packing then replace it. If it breaks during deployment then replace it the next time you pack.



DITTO!


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Mar 30, 2006, 5:57 PM
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Why replace them before they break?

They will either break when you are stowing the lines or during deployment.

If it breaks while you are packing then replace it. If it breaks during deployment then replace it the next time you pack.



DITTO!

... what if a "marginal" rubber band or tube stow "survives" "just one more line stow", but breaks when you put the bag into the container? Now you've got a bunch of "loose" line just waiting to half hitch around something on deployment... ever think of that... Pirate


kwmontreal  (D 25906)

Mar 31, 2006, 6:22 AM
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Well if you want to take every thing literally to the max, you can pick on every post!! If its has a tear or chunk out of it , its replaced .... Geez Crazy

Kent


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Mar 31, 2006, 8:56 AM
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Well if you want to take every thing literally to the max, you can pick on every post!! If its has a tear or chunk out of it , its replaced .... Geez Crazy

Kent

Well, Kent, I would have expected a response from an Instructor which err'ed on the side of Safety, but to each his own.



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