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This picture shows an old Travel Air that we jumped out of in Missoula about 75. I doubt if any of these are still flying. They were once used by Johnson's Flying Service for dropping smoke jumpers.....Steve1
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Jan 23, 2005, 9:15 PM
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how many people did it hold and where did you jump out of. Surely not the bomb bay because military versions bomb bay was completey exclusive for people getting into in flight.
Jan 24, 2005, 1:06 AM
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how many people did it hold and where did you jump out of. Surely not the bomb bay because military versions bomb bay was completey exclusive for people getting into in flight.
We took 22. On this one you could get to the bomb bay from the back compartment by climbing over a bulkhead about 5 feet high. The bomb bay door were locked open. Some people exited through the crew hatch just behind the nose gear, three rode up in the bomb bay and the rest came over the back bulkhead. On my first jump I was part of the group in the back compartment and on the second one I was in the bomb bay. You had to straddle it, one foot one each side and hang onto the bombracks. On take off it was scary as hell. Out of 22 we got six people together on the first jump and only 3 on the second. It was a ZOO. But fun.
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Without digging out old logbooks I would say late 1978 or early 1979.
Jan 24, 2005, 7:52 AM
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Did you put the requisite "Z" in your logbook? New skydivers have absolutely no idea what that letter or any of the other commonly used acronyms stand for.
Jan 24, 2005, 8:54 AM
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Jan 24, 2005, 9:59 AM
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Did you put the requisite "Z" in your logbook? New skydivers have absolutely no idea what that letter or any of the other commonly used acronyms stand for.
No, I wrote out the wrote out the word. From my logbook. "Turned to shit right of the bat, was a Zoo. I caught the base and Rich in third."
Jan 24, 2005, 1:10 PM
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I'll bite. I'm new. What does the "Z" stand for? It's an old Spanish term....It originated with a man named Zorro in Mexico. He used his sword to carve it into people and things to let them know Zorrow had been there.....I think that's it!.....Steve1
Jan 24, 2005, 5:13 PM
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Hey Mojo, where was that B-25 pitcure taken and when? A couple of those people look somewhat familiar and the location and time frame would help place the names with the face.
Godamn mojosparky, you still jump a Sharpchuter?? My compliments.
Jan 24, 2005, 6:17 PM
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I believe Sparky would be dead center, front row. Light-colored hair, right under the letters.
Wendy W.
No more calls, we have a winner. Wendy is right on the money. And the hair was actually light-colored back then.
The picture was taken late 78 or early 79 and it was taken at Taft airport. Also got to jump an AT-6 that day. Which one or ones are you looking at, maybe I can help.
Jan 25, 2005, 6:20 PM
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Standing, second from left and kneeling second from right.
Sorry Steve, I don't know either on of them. After looking at the picture for a few minutes, I dawned on me, I don't know the names of some of the people I do know.
Its hell getting old.
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Jan 26, 2005, 5:32 AM
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Holy crap, you guys were hard core!
Were?
Are you implying some sort of backstepping has occured?
Jan 26, 2005, 6:18 AM
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I'll bite. I'm new. What does the "Z" stand for?
Z is the letter you put in your logbook when you were out of control. Back in the day of little blue logbooks with 10 jumps per page, you just wrote down a series of letters and symbols to show what you did. For example, stylies would often have "RT, LT, BL, LT, RT, BL" and a 45 second delay student might have "RT, LT, BL, FL, and a little triangle "delta" symbol" If you got out of control at any point of your skydive you would insert a "Z" where it occured.
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Jan 26, 2005, 7:18 AM
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So what's the bet a new newbie will ask "What does RT, LT, BL, LT, RT, BL stand for?"
Jan 26, 2005, 8:20 AM
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I'll bite. I'm new. What does the "Z" stand for?
Z is the letter you put in your logbook when you were out of control. Back in the day of little blue logbooks with 10 jumps per page, you just wrote down a series of letters and symbols to show what you did. For example, stylies would often have "RT, LT, BL, LT, RT, BL" and a 45 second delay student might have "RT, LT, BL, FL, and a little triangle "delta" symbol" If you got out of control at any point of your skydive you would insert a "Z" where it occured.
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What do you mean, back in the days of the little blue logbooks? I still use them. They have change a little, remember when the pages were yellow paper, and you can get them through Para-Gear.
Remember when you had to do a complete series in less then 15 seconds to get you "D" lic.
Jan 26, 2005, 4:25 PM
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Standing, second from left and kneeling second from right.
Sorry Steve, I don't know either on of them. After looking at the picture for a few minutes, I dawned on me, I don't know the names of some of the people I do know.
Jan 26, 2005, 5:30 PM
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Yea, I remember jumping "The Shady Lady" I was in the load that took off from Shafter (where the plane was from) to Taft. There were 6 of us stuffed in the radioman's compartment, right behind the pilot and co-pilot. Everybody else is in the back or the bomb bay. The pilot tries to start No. 1, it caughs, sputters, caughs, sputters and stops. The co-pilot turns around and looks at us and says "We've been having a little trouble with No.1" We look at each other, shrug, and figure so what, it has 2 engines. Get No.1 started, damn it's hot in this little compartment. Try and start No.2, same as No.1, caugh, sputter...... The co-pilot again turns around and says "Yea, we've been having a little trouble with No.2 too". We did a quick count and came up with, you guessed it, we only have 2 engines and they've been having a "little" trouble with both!!! About that time some of us were wishing we would have stuck with jumping his BT-13. That only has one engine, but at least it runs. Dwight (the pilot) got things squared away and off we went. The backfire on take rotation really got our attention tho
Jan 26, 2005, 10:51 PM
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Yea, I remember jumping "The Shady Lady" I was in the load that took off from Shafter (where the plane was from) to Taft. There were 6 of us stuffed in the radioman's compartment, right behind the pilot and co-pilot. Everybody else is in the back or the bomb bay. The pilot tries to start No. 1, it caughs, sputters, caughs, sputters and stops. The co-pilot turns around and looks at us and says "We've been having a little trouble with No.1" We look at each other, shrug, and figure so what, it has 2 engines. Get No.1 started, damn it's hot in this little compartment. Try and start No.2, same as No.1, caugh, sputter...... The co-pilot again turns around and says "Yea, we've been having a little trouble with No.2 too". We did a quick count and came up with, you guessed it, we only have 2 engines and they've been having a "little" trouble with both!!! About that time some of us were wishing we would have stuck with jumping his BT-13. That only has one engine, but at least it runs. Dwight (the pilot) got things squared away and off we went. The backfire on take rotation really got our attention tho
Frank, are you in the picture, if so which one is you?
Jan 27, 2005, 7:43 AM
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For my D-license I had to have an intentional water jump, two night jumps, and turn that style series in time. I had the "optional" two-point 8-way as well, but that's besides the point. Likewise, my original D license (which I of course still have) says "Master." That doesn't seem long ago at all to me, but some people look at you like you have a dick growing out of your forehead when you tell them that stuff.
Jan 27, 2005, 6:59 PM
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No Sparky I'm not. Some of the people in the photo are: kneeling right Mike Tulysuski, kneeling left Jimmy Tyler(?). Standing 5th from right Jim Stinson, 8th from right Mike McFarlin(?). Some of the other faces I know, the names are WAY too many brain cells ago
Jan 28, 2005, 12:07 PM
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No Sparky I'm not. Some of the people in the photo are: kneeling right Mike Tulysuski, kneeling left Jimmy Tyler(?). Standing 5th from right Jim Stinson, 8th from right Mike McFarlin(?). Some of the other faces I know, the names are WAY too many brain cells ago
Frank,
Here are the ones I can remember:
Kneeling from the left, Jimmy Tyler, died jumping Half Dome, next Bill Parsons, Dick Pedley, died on a base jump in L.A., Me, Richard Brooks. Standing, tall guy in the center, Chuck Dodson, on his left, John Miller. The guy kneeling on the far right, don't remember his name, drown in the canal under at Taft under a reserve.
Jan 31, 2005, 2:40 AM
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Yea, I remember jumping "The Shady Lady" I was in the load that took off from Shafter (where the plane was from) to Taft. There were 6 of us stuffed in the radioman's compartment, right behind the pilot and co-pilot. Everybody else is in the back or the bomb bay. The pilot tries to start No. 1, it caughs, sputters, caughs, sputters and stops. The co-pilot turns around and looks at us and says "We've been having a little trouble with No.1" We look at each other, shrug, and figure so what, it has 2 engines. Get No.1 started, damn it's hot in this little compartment. Try and start No.2, same as No.1, caugh, sputter...... The co-pilot again turns around and says "Yea, we've been having a little trouble with No.2 too". We did a quick count and came up with, you guessed it, we only have 2 engines and they've been having a "little" trouble with both!!! About that time some of us were wishing we would have stuck with jumping his BT-13. That only has one engine, but at least it runs. Dwight (the pilot) got things squared away and off we went. The backfire on take rotation really got our attention tho
Hey Frank,
Small world, I jumped with another of the jumpers the were the load from Shafter to Taft. He told the same story about the engines. Remember Norm Van Pelt. Well he just got married to Phil Christman's daughter, Patti and some of Air Trash went up to make a jump with him and celebrate.
Feb 14, 2005, 8:05 PM
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Hey Sparky, The date of the B-25 jump was 13 May '78. I've got another picture I'll get scanned one of these days. So Norm and Patty got married, and my "Evil Big Brother" (Norm) didn't let me know! I'll have to call and congratulate him. I started jumping when I was 16. Norm and Richard Armstrong took me under their wing to teach me RW. My Mom used to bake Norm cookies just so he wouldn't bounce me! Guess it worked in spite of myself!
Feb 15, 2005, 12:02 AM
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Hey Sparky, The date of the B-25 jump was 13 May '78. I've got another picture I'll get scanned one of these days. So Norm and Patty got married, and my "Evil Big Brother" (Norm) didn't let me know! I'll have to call and congratulate him. I started jumping when I was 16. Norm and Richard Armstrong took me under their wing to teach me RW. My Mom used to bake Norm cookies just so he wouldn't bounce me! Guess it worked in spite of myself!
Norm took you under his wing. Now that is a scary thought. The 13th. was Sat. and the 14th. was Sunday. That weekend I jumped a B-25, AT-6, Grumman Tiger and Spikes D-18. I had less then 200 jumps and was jumping a Piglet. Good weekend.
Feb 16, 2005, 11:27 AM
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I quit in the mid 70's, but even then jump suits were getting baggier and baggier. Most everyone I knew during that time frame had bells on both arms and legs. Grippers weren't invented yet, so most people would grab a handful of material when they took grips....Steve1
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What's wing war?
In the late 70's, people realized that more drag meant longer freefalls. Since you tend to run out of time when building formations, the thought was that more freefall was better.
So wings got bigger and bigger (i.e. the bells on arms and legs, and the fabric between the wrists and the waist). Then there were the inflatable jumpsuits (Krueger Balloon suit and its ilk). Just as now the lightest jumpers have to wear weights, then the heaviest jumpers had to get more and more fabric, because even light jumpers had big suits.
I was 5'4", weighed about 125 lbs, and had a "medium" jumpsuit. Which meant swoop cords, fabric all the way from my wrist to my waist, and very baggy bottoms that were closed in. The large would have had extremely baggy bottoms, and more fabric overall. The fabric was stiffer, too, so that it had more body. The attempt to make them as big as possible were the wing wars.
Eventually folks realized that a. this CAN go too far -- lighter people can go faster, but there's a limit to how much slower the anvils can go b. slower doesn't necessarily mean cleaner flying.
So now we have the skintight suits with spandex, and the light people wear weight so they can fall with the anvils. And if the anvil is the leader, well, the light people just have to wear even more weight.
Feb 16, 2005, 5:09 PM
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I assume you were all belly flyers back then, right? I mean you couldn't freefly in those rigs could you?
It's funny cuz it looks like they're all wearing FF suits.
Like Wendy said, we are not wearing FF suits, all of you are wearing "wing war" RW suits. If you stay in the sport long enough you will see everything come full circle.
Feb 16, 2005, 9:06 PM
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Hi steve
We still got our "Bunny" helmet.
I recognize the pop top reserve in the first pic, Butt whats the reserve called in the second pic? was that one of the Jerry Bird reserve's we heard about?.
Feb 17, 2005, 5:30 AM
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Wow! It's amazing how much things have changed. Just the other day I was talking to a couple of "newer" guys and I was feeling like 8 yrs in the sport was a long time. This really puts things in perspective for me. I feel like a newby again. I guess compared to you guys I am.
I was going to ask what average fall rates were in those huge suits, but I'm guessing there weren't protracks back then either
Feb 17, 2005, 5:51 AM
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Yep. Bring your feet and knees together, butt into a sitting position. Cover your capewells with one arm to prevent snagging, and pull and punch your reserve with the other.
And nope, no protracks. The Paralert (predecessor to the Dytter) came out about 1983 or so I think. We had to use slide rules to calculate our speed
Feb 17, 2005, 9:18 AM
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Yep. Bring your feet and knees together, butt into a sitting position. Cover your capewells with one arm to prevent snagging, and pull and punch your reserve with the other.
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With the reserve on your front, were you supposed to flip over onto your back to dump it?
We may not have been trained properly. Covering your cape-wells makes sense, but noone ever told us that at my drop zone.
I only had two malfunctions back then. Both times I was pretty unstable. I had my feet and knees together in an inverted position, and then pulled the loops on my capewells. I had my elbows in tight to my side when I pulled my reserve (similiar to a military inverted paratrooper position). Both times, I went over on my side when my reserve strung out. Both times the reserve openned okay, but again my body position was far from ideal.....The new gear is sure a whole lot better!....Steve1
I recognize the pop top reserve in the first pic, Butt whats the reserve called in the second pic? was that one of the Jerry Bird reserve's we heard about?.
R.I.P.
Things were changing quickly during this time period. I never packed a Jerry Bird reserve, but I did pack a couple pop tops....They were a real pain to get closed up right (if I remember correctly). I never owned a bunny helmet. It seemed like some of the better jumpers were going to them. I stuck with my good ole motorcycle helmet.....Steve1
Feb 17, 2005, 9:29 AM
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Doing a two way, my partner was supposed to pull out of it...he had bent a pin on exit and I got a real close up view of the proprer proceedure for a total...
He rolled over, looked at me (10 feet away) ...shook his head and dumped.
24' Flat un-modified... It looked like it bent him in half BACKWARD!
On the ground I asked him if he was shaking his head beacuse he knew a reverse jack knife was coming...
"No...I was more worried about a terminal opening blowing up the reserve...after the back of my head hit my heels...I kinda wish IT HAD!"
Feb 17, 2005, 9:49 AM
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Airtwardo, We had a girl in our club who was nick-named "Total". She was really weak and wasn't strong enough to pull her ripcord on her four pin B-12 container. Twice she openned her belly, 24 ft. reserve, going terminal. She started lifting weights and got an easier rig to open, but she didn't quit. She was made of tougher stuff than I was....Steve1
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Here's one that won 4-way at the Nationals in 1978 and 79... Wanna do some 4-way in that?
I did and it was like driving a Diesel truck in a road race. In 1978 at the nationals, some computer geek figured out that a 99 way box formation would slow down enough to land. Right! Computers were kinda new back then.
Feb 17, 2005, 12:31 PM
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With the reserve on your front, were you supposed to flip over onto your back to dump it?
We may not have been trained properly. Covering your cape-wells makes sense, but noone ever told us that at my drop zone.
I only had two malfunctions back then. Both times I was pretty unstable. I had my feet and knees together in an inverted position, and then pulled the loops on my capewells. I had my elbows in tight to my side when I pulled my reserve (similiar to a military inverted paratrooper position). Both times, I went over on my side when my reserve strung out. Both times the reserve openned okay, but again my body position was far from ideal.....The new gear is sure a whole lot better!....Steve1
I was taught with a total to look, pull, punch. You kept you left arm out and this caused you to go to your back for deployment. And damn that hurts.
A 24' flat is biased constructed with continuous lines. I have seen them take 450 pounds at 135 knots. They are tough.
Feb 17, 2005, 12:34 PM
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The teardrop shape is supposed to make it easier to get close on exit
Did you ever put a piece of plywood on your rig and park your car on it overnight? That would allow you to get one more between the door and the fusalage in 10 way lineup.
Feb 17, 2005, 4:11 PM
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Did you ever put a piece of plywood on your rig and park your car on it overnight? That would allow you to get one more between the door and the fusalage in 10 way lineup.
Sparky
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Damn, I forgot about that one. I know folks that would cut the manufacturers tags out of underwear, t shirts, shoes, frap hats, etc. trying anything to make themselve lighter. Anything for an advantage.
Feb 17, 2005, 7:22 PM
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Did you ever put a piece of plywood on your rig and park your car on it overnight? That would allow you to get one more between the door and the fusalage in 10 way lineup.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Damn, I forgot about that one. I know folks that would cut the manufacturers tags out of underwear, t shirts, shoes, frap hats, etc. trying anything to make themselve lighter. Anything for an advantage.
First rule of "10 way", If you ain't cheat'n, you ain't try'n.
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I remember Larry Yohn telling me he'd put his Paradactyl on just two risers instead of 4 to save the weight of the other 2 risers.
Why not just pee before jumping?
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Wendy,
Larry's rig had a Paradactyl as both main and reserve. And both canopies were on just 2 risers. If you broke one line on a dactyl it was a bad canopy. Go figure.
Feb 18, 2005, 8:28 AM
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I thought I remembered that, but wasn't sure. Of course, 2 risers on reserves was pretty common. He told me he felt he'd achieved the perfect weight personally, and therefore took what he could out of the rig instead.
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I thought I remembered that, but wasn't sure. Of course, 2 risers on reserves was pretty common. He told me he felt he'd achieved the perfect weight personally, and therefore took what he could out of the rig instead.
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Larry wasn't wrapped real tight on some things. He cut the other 2 reserve risers off of his rig.
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A 24' flat is biased constructed with continuous lines. I have seen them take 450 pounds at 135 knots. They are tough.
Sparky Yeah, the 24' flat was pretty rugged. And cheap. I had a couple of rides on one (none terminal). Only paid $50 for it.
Reading Airtwardo's post about his partner's bent pin and subsequent reserve ride reminded me of a situation one of my friends got into back in 1978.
This guy was big boy who didn't own a rig. All he had was a Paracommander in a bag with a hotdog pilot chute attached to it. He had permanently borrowed a student B-12 container from our club to pack the PC in and would check out a chest-mounted 24' flat to use on the weekends.
One Saturday my buddy comes smoking in right over the packing area with what looked like a bag lock. The bag and a few line stows were out, and that's it. I thought for sure I was going to witness a fatality when at around 800 ft. he goes feet first and dumps that 24' flat. BLAMO! I've never seen anyone come to such a complete stop so fast in all my life. He just hung there in the harness for a few seconds and then drifted across the street and landed. We raced over to meet him in the club's ambulance (like the kind you see on the old *MASH* show). We found him standing there in the middle of the reserve with the main bag and a few line stow hanging down one side. When asked if he was alright, he replied: "Wow, that was pretty intense!"
After examining his gear, we discovered that one of the hooks on a pack opening band had dug all the way through the container and snagged lines on the bag preventing its deployment.
Feb 18, 2005, 1:01 PM
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The hooks on the old pack opening bands (or bungies) were a definite hazard. I used to use a pair of pliers to tighten the hooks slightly, so they hopefully wouldn't come unhooked and snag something else on opening.
Another hazard on exit, with the old b-12 containers, was hitting the top of the door and bending the stiffener which held your rip cord housing to the container. This could result in a really hard pull.
Getting back to the old pack opening bands. I had a friend who, when he traveled, used to hook one of these (on his belly reserve) over his rip cord handle. When he got to where he was going to jump he'd remember to fasten it up right. He didn't want to accidently snag his handle on anything in his trunk. One day he forgot to hook it up right. That was the day he cut away and died. The bungie was over the top of his reserve handle, and he couldn't pull his reserve.
There's been five fatalities in Montana that I know of. Three burned in using the old gear and two died from turns too close to the ground on modern gear. There may be others. I was out of the sport for about 25 years.....Steve1
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Feb 18, 2005, 1:40 PM
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Here's a couple pictures showing the jump gear and suits worn in the mid 70's.....Steve1
What I wouldn't give for a full head of hair like that again! (Picture #2) I'm kind of follickly challenged now....(Anyone know how to spell follickly? I couldn't find it in my dictionary) Another definition might be balder than a cucumber.....Steve1
Feb 19, 2005, 12:04 AM
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A 24' flat is biased constructed with continuous lines. I have seen them take 450 pounds at 135 knots. They are tough.
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My first rig was a Stylemaster... Pap main and a 23' Tri-Con with the lateral bands and Taffeta material.
It was supposed to be the strongest reserve around at the time...I was a large economy size skydiver.
It had an inverted mesh "T", red steering lines that I saw a few too many times...and those nifty metal 4-line release rings...for when ya REALLY needed that extra drive!
They didn't seem to give much extra forward drive, but sure increase your VERTICAL speed!
Feb 19, 2005, 10:21 AM
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How I long for the "Good old days".
Just got a call and in about 2 months I will be test jumping a 24' con., the GQ 6000. It is going to be used in the seat for the JSF. Should be fun. Yea, right.
Feb 19, 2005, 11:20 AM
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We're not losing our hair ole buddy...
We're "Gettin' more head!"
(For me the glass is ALWAYS 1/2 full...)
Oh, that's a funny one Airtwardo. I'll have to remember that one.
That reminds me of a good joke.....There was once a guy who went into a bar for a drink. It took his eyes a while to adjust to the dim lights. Then he noticed this guy at the bar sitting next to him who had a head about the size of a softball. He couldn't help but stare at this strange sight.
The guy with the tiny head noticed the guy staring at him and said, "I know you're wondering what in the world happened to my head, aren't you?"
Well it's a long story. For years I saved my money, and then one day I bought this big sail boat, quit my job, and went sailing far out into the ocean. Things were going great until one day, I was caught in this big storm and was ship wrecked on a desert island.
One day I was walking along the beach hoping to be rescued when I spotted this bottle on the beach. There was some dust on it so I rubbed some of it off and suddenly out of the bottle appeared this beautiful genie. The genie said, "I have three magic wishes for you Master."
Well I couldn't believe my good fortune! For my first wish I asked for a new sail boat, and "shazam" there was a new sail boat.
Then I asked for a million dollars and "shazam" there was a million dollars.
About then I started noticing what a good looking babe this genie was. So I asked her, "Genie, how about a little head." And "Shazam" you know the rest of the story!.....Steve1
Feb 20, 2005, 4:34 PM
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You actually have to land it? Can you choose to land in water or deep snow?
Most of the time you have to land them, and it is not your decision where to land. I guess thats why they call it testing. I prefer land on land over water. On land, once I touch down it over. On a water landing, once you touch down things can start to get busy in a hurry. A couple of years ago I was involved in testing a water activated canopy release made by Koch & Sons for ejection seats. I spent 2 days being towed around Big Bear lake behind a boat. That gets old in a hurry. The land portion of the testing was a cake walk. Towed behind an ATV, dry, warm and I could stand up and have a donut between setups. It is amazing what a PLF will do for an old man landing a nylon hammer.
Feb 20, 2005, 5:58 PM
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ou old guys dont drink that much anyway.
bozo I resemble that remark!
How you doing Jimbo?
Sparky-------------------------------------------------------- Jimbos doing ok.....weather sucks here just like where you are. Looking at Elsinore in the very near future if the rain ever quits.
Sparky-------------------------------------------------------- Jimbos doing ok.....weather sucks here just like where you are. Looking at Elsinore in the very near future if the rain ever quits.
Feb 21, 2005, 11:08 PM
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Just got a call and in about 2 months I will be test jumping a 24' con., the GQ 6000. It is going to be used in the seat for the JSF. Should be fun. Yea, right.
Do they give ya free samples? I could use a 24' LoPo for a "project"
Mar 11, 2005, 8:42 AM
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What do you mean, back in the days of the little blue logbooks? I still use them. They have change a little, remember when the pages were yellow paper, and you can get them through Para-Gear.
Mar 14, 2005, 11:40 AM
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I flew it to Altitude...!
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My Dad used to fly co-pilot in the early day Tri-motors when he was a kid during the 40's. He came to Western Montana (from Idaho) when he was still in High School and lived with Bob Johnson, (the owner of Johnson's flying service). He helped work on Johnson's fleet of Tri-motors and Travel-airs in Missoula. When he first started working, a mechanic sent him on an errand to go get some propellor pitch.
Although the Tri-motors and Travel-airs dropped lot's of smoke jumpers, they seemed really underpowered and took forever to get to jump altitude...Steve1
Mar 15, 2005, 2:04 AM
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We use to jump a Tri-Motor Ford at Wings and Wheels, Santee S.C. Dolf Overton(Korean War Ace) own alot of late model aircraft and cars. The year was 1966. Anybody remember that..Woody B..D624
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And back then I only weighed 155 lbs. 
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