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lewmonst  (D 24575)

Jan 15, 2005, 1:44 AM
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Inspired by another thread, lets start a little (ok, long) list of all the little things you've encountered in flying camera, and, if necessary, how you overcame them... Maybe some non-camera flyers reading this will appreciate us more Wink, and some new camera flyers will think through this more...

1. PAYing for a camera
2. PAYing for a camera helmet
3. PAYing for a mount/box/bracket for the camera
4. Buying a cameye
5. Drilling holes
6. Drilling new holes because after jumping the camera you realize it's at the wrong angle
7. And, now, a third set of holes, because you're freeflying instead of bellyflying (on my first camera helmet - sidemount - I don't have that problem anymore, but I also don't fly inside RW formations with a topmount)
8. Trying to fly without a sight - and sucking.
9. Buying a sight.
10. Drilling more holes to mount the sight.
11. Going to Home Depot for... well, lots of bits and pieces
(and we're not talking about stills yet...)
12. Deciding what wide-angle lens to use and buying it
13. Dropping the camera & braking it
14. Sending it to Sony (for the first time)
15. Not having a camera for a week or two while it's at Sony, which isn't a big deal unless you rely on it for tandem videos...
16. Oh, yeah, buying tapes
17. Making sure batteries are charged
18. Carrying an extra battery (if you're smart, and getting paid to video)
19. Oh but first you have to buy and extra battery
20. Forgetting to turn the camera on
21. Cam-eye braking, buying a new one
22. Accidentally leaving the camera zoomed in
23. Accidentally hitting NightShot
24. Leaving it on Autofucus
25. Forgetting to turn it off after a jump and wasting your whole battery while it films the gear rack as you pack.
26. Forgetting to plug in the cam-eye and not figuring it out till greenlight
27. Worrying so much about your camera that you _________ (ooh, lots of possibilities here.... like: forget to turn on your ProTrack, forget your altimeter or gloves or goggles, etc... not to mention what you'll not be focussed on in freefall)
28. That guy who chases you down and asks to firewire the footage from 2 weeks ago of him and his buddies, and he doesn't have a camera or firewire with him, and you have to dig through your footage to find which jump he's talking about.
29. Tracking down your firewire cable (or A/V cables for that matter) after lending them to someone.
30. Dubbing.
31. Finding a VCR and TV to dub for that group who really wants to watch the jump right now, but has no where to go.
32. Forgetting to cue up.
33. Someone borrowing your camera (which was cued) and leaving it not cued.
34. Moisture on the lense
35. Oh, not hard for me, but definitely more difficult for some: Climbing back to that postage stamp camera step...
36. Climbing out and ... the green light goes off and the TM takes a go around. I've hung on, but prefer climbing back in.
37. Everything was going great and then these thick black lines appear in the middle of the PAID video, crap: drop out. So you find a cleaner tape. That works temporarily...
38. No other fixes, so send that camera back to Sony, after digging up your receipt, or worse, it's out of warranty and you have to spend ~$300 to get the heads realigned...
39. How could I have forgotten, buying a camera jacket/suit... and learning to fly it.
40. Completely missing the exit count
41. Dropping on someone -woohoo, congrats you're a real camera flyer now!
42. Bad light, clouds, sunset, whatever
43. The TM who won't face into the sun no matter what you do.
44. The TM who doesn't look down in freefall and hoses you on a long spot :)
45. The TM who changes their exit count, ie, just goes cause ....
46. Oh, should we even open the editting can of worms?
47. Ok, having to redo a Tandem video edit cause someone's waiving their remote around and rewinding everyone's cameras unknowingly...
48. Having to redo the edit because the customer requested the wrong song
49. Having to redo the edit, and pack, and make a <10 minute call
50. hmmm.... the cameye plug breaks off in the camera, and you can't get it out...


ok, i'm just getting started, still haven't even gotten into the stills yet...
those are just a few of the little things i've dealt with in my experience... what did i leave out?

peace
lew


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freefalle  (D 27777)

Jan 15, 2005, 2:35 AM
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having pictures you shot turn up in a magazine or ad with out your knowledege and nver getting paid for your work


Having someone who was on a jump ask you for a copy of the photos or video without offering to compensate you for it. ( it never ceases to amaze me why will someone assume they should be entitled to a compy of your video for free because you are "friends",,, there friends with their packer too but they damn sure pay their packer at the end of the day.

You'll know when your actually becomming a good camera flyer,,, People will start talking about how bad your work sucks, well maybe that only happens in Deland, Jealous fucks.


Having your bite switch take a crap in the middle of the jump


(This post was edited by freefalle on Jan 15, 2005, 2:36 AM)


DaGimp  (D 26522)

Jan 15, 2005, 4:36 AM
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thats pretty funny Lew....ive gone through....almost all of them......i havent had to get my heas realigned yet.

I think you've covered pretty much everything...a few additions though

forgetting to hit record and hanging outside the plane trying to hit the damn little button.

planing on a ready-set-go exit count and it ends up being a ready-set-ready-set-go.......thank god for wings


jb092  (D 19160)

Jan 15, 2005, 5:47 AM
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Very nice post, I think I have gone through just about the whole list myself.


tonyhathaway  (D 13263)

Jan 15, 2005, 6:14 AM
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I don't see basically doing everything INSIDE the plane with ONE arm (seatbelts, gear checks, moving around, etc.) because you are busy trying to protect your investment!!!-Tony


DaGimp  (D 26522)

Jan 15, 2005, 6:26 AM
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not to mention shielding the helmet from those sitting next to you who like to talk with major arm swinging movements Unsure


jb092  (D 19160)

Jan 15, 2005, 6:56 AM
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In reply to:
not to mention shielding the helmet from those sitting next to you who like to talk with major arm swinging movements Unsure

Also shielding it while the tandem instructor slams you with his rig while trying to find his seatbeat.


docjohn  (D 13182)

Jan 15, 2005, 8:26 AM
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Excellent list. All too true

Don't forget these:

Looking at your camera helmet at altitude and finding 1). no battery 2). no tape 3). no camera


videointhesky  (D 13723)

Jan 15, 2005, 9:17 AM
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Video Camera:
Lens cap left on , zoom is at 100%

Still Camera:
One minute out , wake up Canon 20D nothing
Camera will not work grrrrrrrr, get on the ground remove the lens put it back camera works for the rest of the day

http://www.freefall-video.com


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jb092  (D 19160)

Jan 15, 2005, 9:37 AM
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During the ride to alti with a tandem I noticed that the roll of film in the camera was burned up already. I thought to myself if I gave the last student their film,....didn't I?!?!. I found that the bite switch was broke and would fire the camera none stop. Figures too since I am on a back2back. I spent the next 2 jumps firing the camera by hand. One of the students was acting like they were taking pictures of me to. Pretty funny Wink


freefalle  (D 27777)

Jan 15, 2005, 9:42 AM
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Im so glad to hear this stuff has happened to other people!


mccordia  (D 94775)

Jan 15, 2005, 9:47 AM
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Thinking hard about where you put the small lens-cap that's normaly on your Wide Angle lens as you put it away.
Seeing it shoot by, as it comes out of you pocket on the next freefly jump you make....never to be found againTongue

Thinking you've just filmed the greatest jump of you life...then realising your camera was zoomed in to the max after you view the actual footageCrazy


jb092  (D 19160)

Jan 15, 2005, 10:02 AM
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Im so glad to hear this stuff has happened to other people!

It's not a matter of "if" these things will happen, it is a matter of when. Mr. Murphy loves camera flyersWink


Mixoligist  (D 26787)

Jan 15, 2005, 12:44 PM
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You'll know when your actually becomming a good camera flyer,,, People will start talking about how bad your work sucks, well maybe that only happens in Deland, Jealous fucks.
MadMadMadMadMad


Yikes


Kwoo  (D 24486)

Jan 15, 2005, 1:18 PM
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Trying to protect your lenses from Crewdogs blowing bubbles on the way to altitude.

karen


ffejdraga  (D 16906)

Jan 15, 2005, 1:36 PM
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Awesome list man!
Yep been there.

I didnt see getting a lens ripped off by a riser.
and then you realize the lens will still work, because it was just dangling from your camera, so you somehow find time to gaffers tape it back on, because of course you are back to back.

jeff D-16906


pope  (D 19947)

Jan 15, 2005, 2:20 PM
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how about turning that switch past "camera" to "memory?"


ChangoLanzao  (D License)

Jan 15, 2005, 9:34 PM
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1 ... you take a few seconds too much of the antics in the plane on the way to altitude ... then the video tape runs out during the first point of the diveFrown

...you discover this while viewing the footage with everyone at the DZ gathered around the monitor BlushTongue

2 after a great jump and landing you discover that the wide-angle lens is missing from your camcorder ...Shocked

... while reviewing the jump, you notice that the lens was knocked off by a fellow jumper's arm during the exit ... Crazy

3 on exit, you realize that your chin strap isn't fastened ...Crazy


LaughLaugh

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Snowflake

Jan 16, 2005, 1:35 AM
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All that plus learning to fly the camera instead of letting it fly you!!


jimoke  (D 20444)

Jan 16, 2005, 7:00 AM
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 this was one of the funniest posts in a long time......bravo.
ALL TRUE.
you should finish it sometime.....there must be another 100 or so.
it would be great to see this list in a video format. it would be a scream!
jimoke


DaGimp  (D 26522)

Jan 16, 2005, 10:27 AM
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Awesome list man!

ummmm Lew is a woman CrazyLaugh


ffejdraga  (D 16906)

Jan 16, 2005, 2:26 PM
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I say man in the most general sense of the word, you know,.....Blush

jeff


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Jan 16, 2005, 2:29 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Awesome list man!

ummmm Lew is a woman CrazyLaugh


haven't you heard? the terms "MAN" and "DUDE" are no longer gender specific. It is not uncommon to hear one female refer to another as man or dude now a days.Laugh


piisfish

Jan 16, 2005, 2:48 PM
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letting someone plug in his firewire cable to copy some footage and ruining the entry in the (brand new) camera.
after opening wanting to switch the camera off noticing you don't have a camera anymore.
having the "picture" button pressing in the d-box and loosing 3x5 seconds of a jump.
having the focus on manual, and quickly change lense before getting on teh plane and not change the focus.


pcalandra  (D 9759)

Jan 16, 2005, 7:35 PM
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Great list

How about getting your ring site kicked off your helmet along with your wide angle lens?

Getting taken out on an RW jump, not once, but twice in the same skydive? Nothing says "Bulls Eye" or "Target" like having a camera on your head Unsure

Having what appeared to be a perfectly good battery die in the middle of a skydive. I always love having to tell them their video didn't turn out Mad Luckily it's only happened a couple of times.

Oh, and my personal favorite is having a problem on jump run and having to ask for a go around to try and fix the problem.

I think my all time stupid move was forgetting to change an almost full tape and then running out right as I finished interviewing the student on the way to altitude, luckily I was able to rewind the tape and not blow the video Blush


nacmacfeegle  (D 11004)

Jan 17, 2005, 5:07 AM
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Femur-ing in big style while the camera is running, returning 2 years later to find the footage is still being watched and enjoyed by your 'friends'.BlushPirate

Editing, the amount of time it takes is directly proportional to the number of people asking...is it ready yet?

Having to tag everything, batteries, leads tapes, chargers etc, with a wee sticky label identifying it as yours.

Losing cameras in fires, can I join your club Lew, I lost mine in a fire this weekend.Unsure

Oh one last thing NTSC and PAL, and 'DVD-' and 'DVD+'.Mad


StevePhelps  (D 26782)

Jan 17, 2005, 7:05 AM
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All of Lew's plus ...

* Having your lens ripped off by a riser
* Gleeking your lens with snot when you climb out so now you have this nice smudge dead center on the camera ( now I blow my nose on jump run!)
* biffing on a no wind day and roll on top of your camera
* Having the "nite switch" button come on (internally) and ruining the first video of a busy day.
* Running into town and buying a new video camera to finish the rest of the day since you already screwed up the first two (with the nite switch)
* weighing 230lbs w/o gear and flying video for a 140lb tandem master and his 95lb student! "Come on wings, don't fail me now!"
*crawling over a TM in a cessna who likes to launch in a sit position from where I typically sit
* landing 6 miles off because you trusted a birdman with his spot. (nice pix anyway, Mike!)
*printing your cards, VHS labels, CD Labels, DVD labels -- all at your own cost
* making leads for your tapes.
*finding music your tandem student wants online -- paying .99 cents for it -- charging them nada


IvanPeters  (D 101434)

Jan 17, 2005, 7:12 AM
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Oh, and my personal favorite is having a problem on jump run and having to ask for a go around to try and fix the problem.

Or not getting a go around and having to fix it while the team gets in the door and leaves without you.

Ivan


Deuce  (D 25597)

Jan 17, 2005, 3:29 PM
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I've had to buy my fair share of gear, and blown some shots that can't be reproduced.

OTOH, I've had Paul Quade score my family tickets to Disneyland and meet us there,

had Tony Hathaway call me a home a couple times, and work with me duplicating the 121-way record,

had Mike McGowan go out of his way to say hello,

talked on many occasions with Gregg Gasson and Brent Finley about the state of the art,

had Craig Girard tell me I did great when filming 8 way Airspeed day last year,

actually got paid to wear my gear out of the Hercules in Sweden for Schwede,

got to fall for Foxes at Nationals with Lew!

I'll never get the money back, but the memories are absolutely priceless.

-and- "No, I can't give you a firewire now, but it'll be in the DVD!"


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lewmonst  (D 24575)

Jan 17, 2005, 7:32 PM
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I've had to buy my fair share of gear, and blown some shots that can't be reproduced.

OTOH, I've had Paul Quade score my family tickets to Disneyland and meet us there,

had Tony Hathaway call me a home a couple times, and work with me duplicating the 121-way record,

had Mike McGowan go out of his way to say hello,

talked on many occasions with Gregg Gasson and Brent Finley about the state of the art,

had Craig Girard tell me I did great when filming 8 way Airspeed day last year,

actually got paid to wear my gear out of the Hercules in Sweden for Schwede,

got to fall for Foxes at Nationals with Lew!

I made your cool list... wow.

In reply to:
I'll never get the money back, but the memories are absolutely priceless.

-and- "No, I can't give you a firewire now, but it'll be in the DVD!"


Smile

SOO true.

I still need to throw in all my still photo little things...

peace
lew


Cloudi  (C 35301)

Jan 18, 2005, 9:56 PM
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People will start talking about how bad your work sucks, well maybe that only happens in Deland, Jealous fucks.

We aren't jealous...we're waiting for beer, sucka! TongueSly

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BEER RULES:
1. An unwritten law, one as immutable and irrefutable as gravity and backed by history, states that skydivers enjoy the drinking of beer almost as much as flight itself.

2. A manifestation of this fact is the tradition of the buying by an individual skydiver a case of beer (that being twenty-four cans or bottles holding twelve or more ounces of beer, ale, or some similar such substance) for his or her fellow jumpers to celebrate the accomplishment of a particular feat or milestone in one's jump career.

* First camera jump
* Getting your name or photo in "Parachutist" Magazine

**quote taken from AggieDave's post on "10 Things Skydivers Hate The Most" on Bonfire.

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10. Being asked by Norman Kent to shoot something for him.

*every time you name-drop a "skygod."
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**quote taken from "10 things skydivers love the most" in Bonfire with the addition of my own new rule, which I believe can safely fall under rule #5...

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5. Recognizing this, the following happenings are to be regarded as suitable occasions for buying beer. This list is not to be construed as exhaustive.

Wink Can I hear a "hell yeah"? Lighten up and enjoy the whole ride. Cool


airgord  (D 15258)

Jan 19, 2005, 5:29 PM
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How about shooting a "something way" at a boogie, the organizer announces that there will be video and it will only cost 2 bucks each, one of the participants pipes in that their pal "Zeb" is looking for some video practice and that he will shoot for free and put in a lift ticket for himself, the other participants upon hearing that keep their 2 bucks and go with "Zeb", who does a shitty job, but he's free. After the day is done "Zeb" comes up to you and is asking for advice on how to make his video better. I know what I would tell him. What would some of you tell "Zeb"?


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Jan 19, 2005, 6:31 PM
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Well, I think that everyone has to start somewhere.... Wink


Peej  (B 2456)

Jan 20, 2005, 5:43 AM
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Excuse my ignoranace but this crossed my mind the other day: what happens if you, as a paid cameraflyer forget to turn on the camera/suffer any one of the number of things that Lew listed that results in you not capturing someone's tandem video?


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ltdiver  (D 20506)

Jan 20, 2005, 6:45 AM
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Tandem gets the money they paid for that service back. If the stills work, some places give the roll to the customer free of charge, some places charge just a nominal fee for them. Depends on that business' policy.

On one of my first student dives the cameraflyer -thought- they had the video camera on (didn't have a CamEye or anything like that, but thought he saw the red record light reflecting in the pilot's sunglasses Crazy ). I got my video money back, plus the free roll of shot film.

Pretty disappointing, but it -will- happen at least once in a cameraflyer's carrier. Either by not hitting the record button before climb-out or the camera crapping out on the way down. It's the most horrible sinking feeling once you realize what just happened. Pirate

ltdiver


Peej  (B 2456)

Jan 20, 2005, 6:54 AM
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Yeah i imagine it must feel pretty crap.

Thanks for your answer Smile


jb092  (D 19160)

Jan 20, 2005, 7:00 AM
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Excuse my ignoranace but this crossed my mind the other day: what happens if you, as a paid cameraflyer forget to turn on the camera/suffer any one of the number of things that Lew listed that results in you not capturing someone's tandem video?

Then you dont get paid for that jump.Wink


zhark  (B 2357)

Jan 20, 2005, 8:37 AM
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Man, I'm a newbie in camera and already had three of them! When I got into it I never realised what it was all about....so far I've had:

1. Zoomed in all the way
2. Had to go around because i forgot to put the goggles on (used to wearing full-face helmet...stupidPirate)
3. Turned the camera OFF instead of ON climbing out and got a whole lot of nice scenery!

So, then I used a cam-eye and figured out that if you don't secure it properly it flaps in front of the lens for the whole skydive...Laugh


ffejdraga  (D 16906)

Jan 20, 2005, 9:24 AM
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Being a newbie at it is when you find the most shit will happen. then you get into a good groove, and that is when things like "turning the camera off instead of on" get replaced by "camera totally shits the bed in freefall" happens.

For a while, you would be surprised at what combinations will happen. Then you will have it all down, and that is when camera(read: expensive) problems will appear. That is when doing video really can suck.

That being said,
even when you have 1000s of camera jumps,
you can still do stupid things like many in the list.
Oh well, you missed a jump.
Life goes on.

jeff D-16906


BETO74  (D License)

Jan 20, 2005, 11:07 AM
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Forget tandems..what about when you dont get the video during a competition and you go to the judges and there is no video, try to explain that to the team..........sorry it happened to me.


DaGimp  (D 26522)

Jan 20, 2005, 12:37 PM
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one more thing about goggles....you forget your goggles....glasses altogether....done that a few times...good thing i fly mostly on my back. Crazy


ltdiver  (D 20506)

Jan 20, 2005, 5:27 PM
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one more thing about goggles....you forget your goggles....glasses altogether....done that a few times...good thing i fly mostly on my back. Crazy

Did you hear the one where I forgot my goggles.....Laugh Found that gaffers tape worked -real- well for me. Smile

ltdiver


ltdiver  (D 20506)

Jan 20, 2005, 6:30 PM
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Quote:
Then you dont get paid for that jump.

Some places you even pay -back- the school your slot.

ltdiver


Peej  (B 2456)

Jan 21, 2005, 1:05 AM
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Ouch Unsure


Lee846  (D License)

Apr 26, 2005, 5:25 PM
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Oh... thanks for this list! I'm a beginner but almost all he little things have happened already.Smile

I can even add one more)))

In reply to:
Thinking you've just filmed the greatest jump of you life...then realising your camera was zoomed in to the max after you view the actual footageCrazy

... realising you was a looser ... making the next "greatest video job" ... a got it again!!! You forgot to fix it while thinking you was a looser.


Canuck

Apr 26, 2005, 7:18 PM
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I've been shooting tandems for a few years now, not sure how many exactly, but a few hundred anyway, and this weekend I had my first botch-up. Tongue switch malfunctioned and I didn't get a single picture. Felt like shit having to tell the customer - it seriously bummed me out for the rest of the day.

And to add to the list, don't forget the tandem passengers who absolutely refuse to look at the camera, even if you fly in and tweak their damn noses!

Canuck


velocityphoto  (D 18988)

Apr 27, 2005, 7:19 AM
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Sitting by the door on a cesna and the pilot insists he has to open and close the door which has a handle made like a school bus door .And but when he opens it he don't watch what he's doing and pops it and just lets it fly right into your expensive still camera and almost takes the frickin lense clean off of it..
I was soo happy !!!!!!!:(


stratostar  (Student)

Apr 27, 2005, 4:51 PM
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What would some of you tell "Zeb"? (quote)

Before or after he get's punched in the mouth?

No really he would get a fuck off.
But it is fun to sit back and watch the newbies run out a buy a bunch of new toys for their head without doing their homework and or not asking any of the video folks who have been doing video/stills for YEARS about what to get and how to set it up the right way, so when their toys show up it don't fit right or is the wrong stuff in the first place and then they get on here to ask about what to do, without yet again asking an expert at their home dz.Laugh
What's so hard about shooting video/still anyway you strap some shit on your head and then it's just another skydive for crying out loud....Tongue

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skinnyshrek  (D 25109)

Apr 28, 2005, 8:24 AM
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What about wings coming off and slowly sinking out on a tandemSmile Well, maybe thats just us fat bastards!


flypunk  (D License)

Apr 28, 2005, 9:30 AM
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Try just one wing comming off and you having to fly like a pretzel just to keep it in frame and stable while the TI points and laughs!

Dark sunset, and you are wondering why isnt the flash going off anymore, in the middle of the dive, just to see your remote cable flap in front of you one second later.


StevePhelps  (D 26782)

Apr 28, 2005, 5:23 PM
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Try just one wing comming off and you having to fly like a pretzel just to keep it in frame .

Dude, I thought I was the only one that happened to.BlushCool


kmskydive  (D 24399)

Apr 29, 2005, 4:12 AM
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Hey Karen how about climbimg out to film a 4 way and there is traffic and they ask you to get back in the plane for a go around. I was angry at the bees.
MartyMad


Lee846  (D License)

May 11, 2005, 2:45 AM
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Just got the new "little thing" on recent weekend!

How about this: you calibrated the exposure manually several points "-" -- for the very sunny day. The colors is good, even the very bright colors like yellow or white or silver.
But the day is over and you forgot to change exposure setting for the less light weather (it's still in "-" position for sunny day).
So... you've got the black screen with voices instead of the best video of your career.Unsure
Wink

I promise myself again -- spend 5 minutes on video gear! Every jump!


StefB

May 11, 2005, 7:35 AM
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In reply to:
What would some of you tell "Zeb"?

Lesson costs are 2 bucks for each skydiver permanently visible on his videos and 5 bucks for those who are not ;-)


Newbie  (C License)

Jul 11, 2005, 5:10 AM
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I only just saw this now (i guess because i've just started camera flying). Great post!


Zoter

Jul 11, 2005, 8:17 AM
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Went slightly 'low'
(not seriously....just lower than I planned) on a jump yesterday.....getting 'the shot'
Note to self:
Everyone said it would happen.....and they were right, no matter how safe you think you are its gonna happen......read/get experienced camflyers advice, absorb, learn...live
Unimpressed


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Shyandinnocent  (D License)

Jul 18, 2005, 3:41 AM
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1. Having to film the 120 pound Tandem Master with the 40 pound Japanese tourist under a Strong drogue and realizing you left your wings at home...

2. Asking the turbine to land when you're on Jump Run, because you forgot to put film in for a "Celebrity Tandem"

Oh, yeah, we weren't doing still yet. That's a whole different can of worms...


Lee846  (D License)

Jul 18, 2005, 4:28 AM
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Fall onto your performent after exit. Touch his (her) boots while he (she) is doing aerials infront of you.

F****d up your own landing, filmimg the landing of your performer.


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DaGimp  (D 26522)

Jul 18, 2005, 8:14 AM
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heres one from this weekend


wash your camera suit and come out on the weekend....not realizing till in the plane you left the swoop cords at home DOH CrazyCrazy


chopchop  (D 25001)

Jul 18, 2005, 10:23 AM
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Here are a few from this year..

still camera mal on climbout videoing a 14way..
video camera on night shot videoing a 16way..
one wing unclipped videoing a tandem..

and the supergrandaddy of them all..

cutaway handle getting pulled by dooredge on climbout or camera wing on transition!
(happened 3 times - twice resulting in cutaways) all 3 on tandem videos..
BTW-- when your main loaded over 1.9:1 is attached by one riser only, it spins pretty good..
ShockedShockedShocked


CTSkydiver  (D 18461)

Jul 18, 2005, 2:50 PM
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and the supergrandaddy of them all..

cutaway handle getting pulled by dooredge on climbout or camera wing on transition!
(happened 3 times - twice resulting in cutaways) all 3 on tandem videos..
BTW-- when your main loaded over 1.9:1 is attached by one riser only, it spins pretty good..
ShockedShockedShocked

One would think you'd revise your procedures and/or equipment to prevent this from happening, at least after the SECOND time. You've got to be kidding. Your camera wing can pull your cutaway handle? Ever hear of velcro?


chopchop  (D 25001)

Jul 18, 2005, 3:05 PM
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Ummm.. yeah... the first time we figured it happened on the ground and the handle got replaced.. a fluke. The second time we figured it was either my wing or the edge of the door on climbout.. The third time, I actually saw my wing wrapped around my handle. Not sure if it was dislodged on climbout allowing the wing to wrap it or not but there it was..

Anyway.. I have ordered soft loops for my cutaway handles and have changed my transitions to keep my wings out and away from my handles.. I am also very careful of the edge of the door on climbout..

And yes.. there is good velcro on my handles.. the wings are not huge.. it has happened on both rigs, and each rig had around 100 jumps at the time.


CTSkydiver  (D 18461)

Jul 18, 2005, 4:01 PM
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Wow... I looked at (presumably) your pic on your site and still can't imagine how that could'a happened so often. Weird. Does your main lift web have two pieces of webbing where the handles attach in between (in a pocket) or are your handles just stuck to the underside of a single (or double) layer of webbing? My first rig was like the latter, and I'd suppose that would make it more snag prone. Do you peel your handles frequently or just when necessary for use? I wonder if this has happened to anyone else...

Good luck to you in the future, in any case.

BTW, your girlfriend is pretty hot. :-)


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chopchop  (D 25001)

Jul 18, 2005, 4:15 PM
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Yeah.. it's weird. The equipment is all good. The handle is between 2 pieces of webbing.. I don't peel except as necessary.

And yeah.. Lany is pretty hot.. I'm lucky in that respect.. Wink


Swooopa-x  (D 847)

Jul 20, 2005, 2:45 AM
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I've had my camera switch off due to the pilots radio call on exit... Kept happening the whole day until someone offered it as a possibilty. asked pilots to hold off on call for a while and no more problem.


ltdiver  (D 20506)

Jul 20, 2005, 6:52 AM
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In reply to:
I've had my camera switch off due to the pilots radio call on exit... Kept happening the whole day until someone offered it as a possibilty. asked pilots to hold off on call for a while and no more problem.

What kind of camera do you fly?

ltdiver


DaGimp  (D 26522)

Jul 20, 2005, 9:55 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I've had my camera switch off due to the pilots radio call on exit... Kept happening the whole day until someone offered it as a possibilty. asked pilots to hold off on call for a while and no more problem.

What kind of camera do you fly?

ltdiver

yes....very interesting.......weird too


chopchop  (D 25001)

Jul 20, 2005, 4:42 PM
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.....weird too

and Jake knows weird.. Wink


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 20, 2005, 6:59 PM
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VERY GOOD POST.

I am so glad to know ( not like I though I was the only one) that we all have the same headachesLaugh


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 20, 2005, 7:05 PM
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aw damn don't even get into EDITING.
of course when your working for the tandmes its a pretty quick edit but when you do the END OF YEAR skydive edit...it takes way too fucking long and everyone thinks they should get a copy b/c they are in it.Unsure

Last year I sold them locally just so I could buy a DVD PLAYER for our DZ. this year I think I am going to keep the $40 profitLaughLaugh


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 20, 2005, 7:12 PM
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oh and one more I can add.

at 117* the camera seems to get quite a bit of digital BLOCKING because no matter how equalized the camera temp is to the ambient temp the tape STILL Sticks to the head because ...well its 117 Fucking degrees'

the interview sucked but the skydive came out fine. (it's only 60-ish* at 10,000ft)
she was 69 years old and was thrilled to be able to show her family but I felt like shit all day.


Peej  (B 2456)

Jul 20, 2005, 11:42 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I've had my camera switch off due to the pilots radio call on exit... Kept happening the whole day until someone offered it as a possibilty. asked pilots to hold off on call for a while and no more problem.

What kind of camera do you fly?

ltdiver

I think he jumps one of the older cameras in the PC range, possibly a 105 or so.


kansasskydiver  (D 25659)

Jul 21, 2005, 7:23 PM
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Wow was a great thread... Here are some of my odd esperiences, not to mention probably 90% of what everyone has already said.

-Weighing 300 lbs out the door and having a tandem SINK on you... that was a first ever this weekend

-Camera getting knocked 90 degrees off center and having to fly sidways to get the shot

-Hitting the record button on exit

-Hanging on the camera step, ready set go, TM faces into the prop and tosses the drouge ASAP. Drouge in face, wasn't what the planned exit was

-Almost getting your head ripped off cause TM didn't give you a waveoff

-Hating a blow switch

-Cam eye flashing a new color?!?!? WTF

-Having to land the plane on jump run because I forgot the chin strap on the ground

-fixing my helmet and supper glueing 3 of my fingers together

-Trying to paint my helmet when it was 10 degrees outside (took me weeks to do it)

-Having a student call and bitch and moan and cry about their video not being as cool as their friends. Reason, because she wasn't arching and they were spinning outta contro lol

-Buying my first camera off ebay for $300 bucks as is, then finding out it had been dropped in a lake

-Buying my 2nd camera on ebay for $600 then finding the same one, 2 weeks later, with more stuff for $400 and buying it for your friend

-Lending your last tape to a friend at the end of the day when you HAVE to have a new one for the next morning...

The list could go on Sly


Unutsch

Jul 21, 2005, 11:39 PM
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well, this one happened to me this past weekend, when (finally) some paying tandems were here to jump:

if you know the tape is coming to its end, replace it before the jump, so that you don't think constantly about it and look at the cameye the whole 50 seconds, thus screw up the jump

the footage still came out good, but it could be more "perfect" Tongue


mhofstra  (D 88925)

Aug 12, 2005, 2:50 AM
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Great list!!! Been there, done that :-)

Just compiled all of them in an Excel-file. Easy to print and put up in the edit room...

Let's see who's the most experienced cameraflyer on your DZ.

Blue ones,

Mats
Attachments: camera.xls (41.0 KB)


jtval  (D 26340)

Aug 12, 2005, 12:38 PM
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easy.... ME. LOL I am the only REGULAR camflyer at my dz.

My DZO is WELL experienced but most of the time he's the TM and I am Camflyer.

(btw- I am not THAT experienced, but compared to the "nobody else flies camera" I guess I am the most experiencedSly)


toronto_bill  (C 3085)

Apr 19, 2007, 2:13 PM
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my contribution....

Doing video (w/ niteshot) of a 4 way night jump, and then taping over it the next morning when a cute girl bounces up asking for video for her balloon jump. Sigh.

Doing in-air video for a TV show, climbing out of a 206 cargo door and then see the "pro' camera man inside the plane have a problem with his battery and have to change it. 44 secs. I almost gave him the finger on camera.

My most common prob is the camera freezing and fogging up in Winter


speedy

Apr 19, 2007, 2:57 PM
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It took me a while to figure this one out -
on climb out the wind would press on the camera cover just hard enough to switch the camera off.

So I bought a cameye -
The contacts between the cameye and the camera would vibrate in freefall and switch the camera off

So I bought a small mirror and duct taped it to the inside of the plane near the door.

And who else is sick of rolling the tape and then pilot can't get clearance to drop. (maybe just a German problem).

I could list a whole bunch of other things but a public forum is not the best place to do it Wink


velvetjo  (D License)

Apr 20, 2007, 9:47 AM
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Here are a couple more:

- sacrificing your body landing hard after barely clearing a treeline on a long spot with industrial haze and a borrowed rig for back-to-back (of course) all to get the landing shot

- watching the faces of the next tandems and their families as the TM bar-tacks your wing back on (ripped off during the landing above) while you're replacing the shattered filter on your 35mm

- trying to hang from an icy wing strut

- actually starting to like marginal weather conditions because there's more room in the plane without the fun (smart?) jumpers

On a side note, the closest thing I can figure to camera jumps for complexity in aviation is an instrument approach. Nothing else I've encountered requires as much multitasking and precision. Other jumpers who are experienced pilots seem to agree. But I'm still having fun with it!

Lance


jtval  (D 26340)

Jul 10, 2007, 7:46 AM
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BUMP


Icon134  (D 29820)

Jul 10, 2007, 8:05 AM
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this is a good thread... thanks for the bump JT...

I did some fun-way video jumps this weekend... monday afternoon I got home from work and had recieved an email from a friend of mine asking if I can get a .wmv file to him of the dive he was on with some other jumpers...

I had told him I was putting together a DVD for several others and would be happy to make him one for $10... alas... it seems my skills aren't good enough to pay $10 for a DVD until the end of the year... Crazy

but he wanted to know if I could still make a *.wmv


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Icon134  (D 29820)

Sep 3, 2008, 10:26 AM
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This thread needs to get a bump every so often...

I actually had a pretty uneventful weekend of camera flying...

I did have some problems on my first jump Sunday morning when my original hypeye wasn't completely plugged into the LANC port on my HC5... which wouldn't allow me to turn on the Camera...

I didn't discover it until we were on jumprun when I tried to turn on my camera... I did manage to activate it and it worked fine... but it's certainly one of those little things...


dragon2  (D 101989)

Sep 3, 2008, 11:57 AM
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From this year, so far:

Bending your stills remote a bit on climbout because the door is smaller and on the "wrong" side and not noticing the autofocus got stuck on like 10" for 2 back-to-back tandem videos Pirate

Being so busy you have to borrow so much gear you wonder what color the main (what main again?) is going to be THIS time Crazy and if the rig is going to fit at least SOMEWHAT (having student-day flashbacks when cheststrap hits your chin on opening)

DVD players that eat DVDs so you have to redo some while you miss a jump or two to keep the customers happy.

Having someone sit on your camera helmet/rig, breaking the video camera all the way, and then sneak away without saying anything so bye bye 1100 euro videocamera Mad And then having to do a few more jumps with said camera all wrapped in ducktape CrazyBlush

Landing backwards for the first time ever, with a 1.5-1.6 WL, missing barbed wire but getting dragged camera-helmet-first through baby trees and weeds and stuff, almost ending up in the pond/brambles, and then having to go help your TM get up and untangle the tandem main from the brambles. The winds REALLY picked up during the climb up and we both misjudged our approach for the catchers, oops.

People complaining the photos are upside down and then keep calling you all day at work plus they keep calling the dropzone too to complain.

Having to constantly "rescue" camera flyers who keep forgetting things like card readers, firewire cables, laptop chargers, tapes, alti's, dvds, dvd covers, what have you, usually not getting even a thank-you and sometimes not even getting the item back Mad and of course some jumpers just grab ("borrow") what they need without asking Mad

Getting stuck on frontfloat climbout due to pilot not cutting and the large tandempassenger already blocking the door so no chance for a good exit.

Getting SO much ice on your stills lens on exit that the autofocus is now on the ice for the rest of freefall Crazy

Hanging from 3 fingers off the floaters' bar because your TM did a ready-set-g...eh-no count and then rocked back again because the TM behind him was prodding him so hard he thought there was a problem so he stopped, talked to TM behind him then looked at me and went quickly Laugh

Having to fix your wingclip on a boarding call, thank God for pullup cords Sly


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Shooting a still under canopy only to have the plug half out of the socket - rough opening knocked it loose, lucckly all the freefall shots worked.

Having the video camera in wrong mode so it didn't record the ground interview.

Hitting the creative zone dial on accident and moved the still camera from TV to AV mode with a setting of f4. I'm just glad it wasn't at the f22 I was using for experimental ground shots the previous weekend.

Leaving the CF card in the computer and having to run back to get it as the plane was taxiing.

Only having sunglasses that fit the camera helmet nicely and then having to wear them on a late sunset load, under canopy it looked like night with them on. Crazy

Getting a call to do a back to back as we are climbing through 7000 and told they would find me a rig by the time I landed.

Thats just this summer. Laugh


mrwrong  (C 19515)

Sep 4, 2008, 1:03 AM
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Well.. I’m still just a neewbee but an ‘interesting’ problem occurred a couple of weeks ago.
The left wingclip broke in freefall, very interesting situation until I realized what had happened.Crazy


So this meant sending the camera suite for repair.


Peej  (B 2456)

Sep 4, 2008, 6:06 AM
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In reply to:
Well.. I’m still just a neewbee but an ‘interesting’ problem occurred a couple of weeks ago.
The left wingclip broke in freefall, very interesting situation until I realized what had happened.Crazy

So this meant sending the camera suite for repair.

Oh yeah, had that happen when i was a newbie too Laugh now i check my wing clips, swoop cords and all attachments regularly


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having batteries that read that they're full, but in truth, they just are showing memory and they die during the climb to altitude.

Gaffer tape that lets go in freefall, filling your lens with great shots of tape or cable.

Tandem masters that refuse to face the sun "because it hurts their eyes."

Vomit on the step and side of aircraft from a student that went back inside the aircraft after puking his/her guts out (everytime I look at Sergio, I laugh at that one). Camera step is slippery, side of aircraft is disgusting.

Glasses that fit your camera helmet, but they slip as you're tightening the latch in a hurry, and so air crawls under the lens, giving you "eye boogers" on your glasses.


mircan  (D 32291)

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Same here:
- wing clip (plastic) broke off while I was hanging at the Cessna strut which resulted in some very weird body positions during freefall (now I`m using RSL-style ones).
- CF card died and I noticed at the end of a 6 jump day :-p
- battery died on jump-run,
- tongue switch died on jump-run,
- airplane engine died just before jump-run, but I still managed to get my video,
- the thing with black goggles on sunset load,
- 200 lbs student stepping on your foot on the exit...
- ...which resulted in being late on exit and nearly got hit in the face by drogue,
- accidental switch from TV to "Depth of Field" setting,
- Your Cameye starting to flash "5 minutes tape left" warning, while you are starting your final turn before landing and the sun is already below horizon, leaving you to land blinded at one eye,
- some tape that you used to secure tongue switch of your still camera getting loose and dangling in front of your video camera during freefall,
- people that you film opening their parachutes at 7000ft without warning while you are above them,
- tandems throwing up allover the place (during climb, on landing...).

That`s what I remember from this year so far.

Edited to add:
- my goggles broke on jump-run while I was clearing them from fog so I had to jump without them which left me half blind to left eye for the rest of the day Unsure But it was last load...


(This post was edited by mircan on Sep 4, 2008, 6:26 AM)


kefran  (C 3253)

Sep 4, 2008, 7:36 AM
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some from this year's good ones :

left wing tensor broke during freefall : wierd flying position (the TM was hilarous !)

passenger pushing my arm down while i docked him : nice move letting me spinning on my back right under them (good shots but ...)

having my rig thrown in the plane by the packers while taxiing

still cam turned to off when a student opened the door without saying it before (nice scratches on the rebel xt's flash too)

Tm forgetting me ... he just jumped letting me the only option of diving behind him

video battery died, took the spare one, just to see that ....... i forgot to charge it before Crazy

loosing the wide angle during freefall

calling a passenger Jeff all the way up to finally learn that his name was Simon once landed Crazy

being on a 45 mins call .... which turns 2 mins later in a 7 mins call

passenger deiciding that he don't want the video anymore 3 minutes before jumpingSly

and lots of other funny things that i've forgot


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Yours reminds me of one from this weekend... walking up to get on a fun jumping load only to be told I was videoing a student and the plane was on decend. Thank goodness for having a second rig to use.


mrwrong  (C 19515)

Sep 4, 2008, 10:42 AM
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The clip was checked before climb out, always do that. The problem was that the clip actually broke into 3 pieces half way down to deployment altitude Crazy

Exciting??? YEP!!!!! Shocked


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Sitting there with the door open, sure everything is ready to go, video is on, the still camera is firing, handles are in place, goggles on, everything tight - then climbing out and feeling the bottoms of your wings flapping behind you.


mircan  (D 32291)

Sep 4, 2008, 4:01 PM
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climbing out and feeling the bottoms of your wings flapping behind you.

Even better, you feel only ONE wing flapping.
And the TI is already shouting ...set, go!
Wink
Fun never stops Smile


keithbar  (A 14048)

Sep 4, 2008, 6:28 PM
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damn phree. so my " jumping with the sitflyers all weekend on my belly. and the one where we got 5 docks. I hit my cameye and turned the camera off on climbout ain't shit" it was a sweet jump though.


Skydave103  (D 22664)

Sep 4, 2008, 7:09 PM
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In reply to:
The clip was checked before climb out, always do that. The problem was that the clip actually broke into 3 pieces half way down to deployment altitude Crazy

Exciting??? YEP!!!!! Shocked

That won't happen if you get one of these (see pic)
Have an RSL clip (yes I know there is a technical name for it, but I don't care and you know what I'm talking about)
attached to the end of your wings and there will never be a problem unless it's human error.
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I use the same RSL clips but have my rings still on the camera jacket since I'm not always sure what rig I will be using and want to be able to take the jacket on any jump.


Skydave103  (D 22664)

Sep 4, 2008, 10:03 PM
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Or add the rings to your other rig.

As a backup, I can clip the wings to any friction adapter or hip ring depending on the size of the rig and how it fits.

There is always room for adaptation.

Dave


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Sep 5, 2008, 1:33 AM
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In reply to:
The clip was checked before climb out, always do that. The problem was that the clip actually broke into 3 pieces half way down to deployment altitude Crazy

Exciting??? YEP!!!!! Shocked

Oh that is interesting! I've had a swoop cord and a clip break while climbing out on the step but never in freefall


PharmerPhil  (D 23899)

Sep 5, 2008, 4:12 AM
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...As a backup, I can clip the wings to any friction adapter or hip ring depending on the size of the rig and how it fits.

I'd be careful doing that. I did that with a rig several years ago, and after less than a summer of jumping, the clips had worn the leg straps so much I had to have them replaced. Fortunately, it was an older Javelin with an articulated harness, and only two short pieces had to be replaced. If it had been a different rig (even newer rigs with articulation), the whole webbing up into the rig would have had to be replaced.


Icon134  (D 29820)

Sep 5, 2008, 6:36 AM
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In reply to:
damn phree. so my " jumping with the sitflyers all weekend on my belly. and the one where we got 5 docks. I hit my cameye and turned the camera off on climbout ain't shit" it was a sweet jump though.
My girfriends Cameye button is on the forhead of her helmet and on a 4-way exit she didn't quite time it right and bumped one of the jumpers in the formation... she did it just right to stop the camera recording... right after leaving the step... PirateLaugh


Skydave103  (D 22664)

Sep 5, 2008, 6:55 AM
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In reply to:
I'd be careful doing that. I did that with a rig several years ago, and after less than a summer of jumping, the clips had worn the leg straps so much I had to have them replaced. Fortunately, it was an older Javelin with an articulated harness, and only two short pieces had to be replaced. If it had been a different rig (even newer rigs with articulation), the whole webbing up into the rig would have had to be replaced.

That is only as a backup, not a full time thing. The way my wings are i can actually loop the bottom end around the leg strap and clip it back on to its self. But that is a real bitch to undo under canopy.


PharmerPhil  (D 23899)

Sep 5, 2008, 7:12 AM
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The way my wings are i can actually loop the bottom end around the leg strap and clip it back on to its self.

After my leg strap repair, a rigger friend made me a couple of little straps that wrap around the leg straps of any rig, and have an anchor for the wing clips to attach to. He made them so I could put them on any rig and have a wing attachment. In theory it's a great tool, but I have yet to actually use them.


jmidgley  (C 103474)

Sep 5, 2008, 8:32 AM
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In reply to:
That won't happen if you get one of these (see pic)
Have an RSL clip (yes I know there is a technical name for it, but I don't care and you know what I'm talking about)
attached to the end of your wings and there will never be a problem unless it's human error.

Ooh! Ooh! I care! 'Spinnaker Release', AKA 'Snap Shackle'

John


Skydave103  (D 22664)

Sep 5, 2008, 11:06 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
That won't happen if you get one of these (see pic)
Have an RSL clip (yes I know there is a technical name for it, but I don't care and you know what I'm talking about)
attached to the end of your wings and there will never be a problem unless it's human error.

Ooh! Ooh! I care! 'Spinnaker Release', AKA 'Snap Shackle'

John

WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS!!!

Is that what they are really called? I thought it was something different.Blush

Hey Phil, if you are planning to release your wings under canopy, how do you keep from losing the little pieces you made?
It sounds like a great idea, but i would probably lose them thinking I am just releasing my normal wing.


PharmerPhil  (D 23899)

Sep 5, 2008, 11:49 AM
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Hey Phil, if you are planning to release your wings under canopy, how do you keep from losing the little pieces you made?
It sounds like a great idea, but i would probably lose them thinking I am just releasing my normal wing.

Like I said, I haven't used them yet, but that wouldn't be a problem. They are little straps that velcro around the leg strap, and then have a ring on them. If you disconnect the wings, the strap is still wrapped securely around the leg strap.


blondebombshell  (C 106123)

Oct 27, 2008, 2:11 PM
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Fantastic thread! Cool

Ive ticked off plenty on the list... id like to add freefall nosebleed whilst filming tandem CrazySly, see attached pic ( unless you are squeamish Tongue )
The inside of my nose was cut by the overly long teflon cable of the tandem rig on the TI infront of me going up my nostril as he shuffled around on green light... i didnt realise itd actually cut me till i left the step leaving a nice big splatter straight up the side of the plane.Blush
Not thinking the tandem student would notice, i carried on and filmed his jump which looked like a slasher movie by the time id finished. ( no blood on him or the TI, but my lense was splattered all the way down )
The looks on the faces of everyone on the ground when i landed were priceless, especially his friends and family.
The student had noticed but had cooly shrugged it off as an altitude nosebleed and gallantly said it didnt spoil his jump, he even tried to insist on paying me for the vid which of course i wouldnt accept any money for.
Quite a clean-up operation afterwards, & my rig is still stained Unsure
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Gadget  (D 20099)

Oct 27, 2008, 3:51 PM
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been there,done thatCool
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blondebombshell  (C 106123)

Oct 27, 2008, 5:02 PM
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been there,done thatCool

Mmmmmmmessy.... Cool nice one bro!Wink how did yours happen?


Icon134  (D 29820)

Oct 28, 2008, 5:42 AM
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been there,done thatCool
Our DZO took an elbow to the face by a FS jumper and busted his nose exiting a skyvan...

remember when exiting a skyvan... stiff arm the group exiting... otherwise you might just get an elbow to the nose...


Gadget  (D 20099)

Oct 28, 2008, 12:23 PM
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that was a denisch foot in a Dutch face. Exit of of a twin with tree people outside in wingsuits.


blondebombshell  (C 106123)

Oct 28, 2008, 1:07 PM
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Our DZO took an elbow to the face by a FS jumper and busted his nose exiting a skyvan...
f*ckin flatties....

Tongue


Icon134  (D 29820)

Oct 29, 2008, 5:37 AM
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Our DZO took an elbow to the face by a FS jumper and busted his nose exiting a skyvan...
f*ckin flatties....

TongueHey... I'm a FS skydiver... MadTongueLaugh

the funny thing is that the guy who elbowed him is one of the dz's main camera flyers... he felt really bad about it... John shrugged it off... he is a seasoned 4-way competitor and I imagine he has taken more then a few, feet, elbows, etc, to the face in 4-way competition... Laugh


jtval  (D 26340)

Dec 21, 2008, 7:51 PM
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New camera "THINGS"
forgetting to change your settings EVERY FUCKING DAY BECAUSE THE DEFAULTS RESET AFTER 12 HOURS.

I also forgot my CF card in Colorado...I am in Texas.
I have my personal CF card but my Military CF card is back in Colorado.

EASY fix but it's a pain in the ass to keep my real gear and my military gear seperate.



I really just wanted to BUMP this for new flyers.


(This post was edited by jtval on Dec 21, 2008, 8:00 PM)


virgin-burner

Aug 7, 2009, 1:06 AM
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doing your first balloon-jump, showing the previous jumpers their exit and then asking them to film the "baptising"; without fast forwarding.. Unsure


lewmonst  (D 24575)

Aug 7, 2009, 11:00 AM
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Yeah, I accidentally recorded over my first base jump from Bridge Day in 2000.

Thank god we're finally getting rid of tapes.


210_zoom  (D 30333)

Aug 14, 2009, 1:55 PM
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I tried to read it all but didnt see anyone say they got wrapped up in the skydive and failed to hear their 3k audible go off.

Waiting for a dock then noticing mother earth, canopy @ 1700 feet. 2nd jump, didnt do that again, now have over 100/150 video jumps.

Love the list, man i can relate completely. I still havent purchased a digital camera yet. And my camcorder of choice was the Canon ZR40 i bought 7 years ago and barely used it until i decided to shoot video 1 yr ago.

Hanging on the door of a C182 in full arm extension and the pilot says "no,no,no" other vidiot grabs chest strap and pulls in, passes to TM and grabs harness leg strap finishing off. Pilot makes quick turn and says 1/2 mile. Needless to say i chose to dive out this time.


virgin-burner

Aug 17, 2009, 1:11 AM
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i was bummed, to say the least.. uh well!


Icon134  (D 29820)

Aug 17, 2009, 6:43 AM
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Doing the prejump interview with the lens cap on... Blush... at least I noticed before walking out to the plane and I could redo the interview... Blush it is unfortunately an awkward conversation... UnimpressedLaugh


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>Thank god we're finally getting rid of tapes.

That, of course, will just open up a whole new chapter on ways to screw up.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Aug 17, 2009, 9:38 AM
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Hanging on the door of a C182 in full arm extension and the pilot says "no,no,no" other vidiot grabs chest strap and pulls in, passes to TM and grabs harness leg strap finishing off

Don't do that again. There was a recent fatality where a student grabbed a floating reserve handle on the rig of an instructor who was outside of the plane. The reserve was deployed, and the instructor hit the tail.

It's true it was a different circumstance, but the concept of not letting people grab your gear outsdie of the plane still stands.

As a camera flyer for students/tandems, don't climb to a position from which you cannot safely return to the cabin on your own. There is always a chance that the student/tandem will decline to jump when they get in the door, and you need to be ready for that instance.

Having others grabbing for your harness in an unplanned, unrehearsed attempt to get you back into the plane is not a good situation.


PharmerPhil  (D 23899)

Aug 17, 2009, 10:08 AM
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...but the concept of not letting people grab your gear outsdie of the plane still stands.

Fortunately, this incident had a happy ending.


Bill_K  (D 30260)

Aug 18, 2009, 10:41 AM
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Awesome thread!


tumbler  (D 29323)

Aug 21, 2009, 6:20 AM
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Agreed, great thread. I have had all of these things happen. I also think that being a camera flyer before getting my tandem rating has made me a better TI. I think about the video and realize that the TI is a big part of the show that is being filmed. From little things like looking into the camera, facing the sun, SMILING, lifting the students head and pointing to the camera flyer so the student gets some good stills... all those things I pay attention to because several TI's didnt when I was doing video.

I still like jumping video's more than taking the students, but dubbing sucks.


Gruss

Sep 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
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Hysterical! After 8 years in the sport & 550 jumps, I just bought my first video camera and helmet (which just arrived after waiting ~8 weeks vs 4 week promise). Thanks to you, I have a "small" idea of what I'm in for!

Gary Russell
Skydive Spaceland
Houston, TX


Jon26  (B 1190)

Sep 29, 2009, 2:03 PM
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How about;
Going without gloves cos you are only going up to 9k and its sunny and you're warm from running round getting ready for back to back to back to backs.
Then forgetting them on your next jump which is supposed to go to 12k and figuring you can deal with it for one jump when you prob still have time to go back for them. (Doh!)
But a long hold means you are now at 15k, the sun is nowhere to be seen and your tandem master is taking forever in the door while your fingers are seriously hurting holding onto a bar that must be at least -20C. And smiling at the passenger is the hardest thing you've ever done!
On the plus-side, i didn't have a mal (dealing with that would've been interesting with unresponsive fingers)
That was yesterday. My fingers are red and burning still today.Pirate
I'm wearing my gloves to bed from now on!Wink


RedBallz

Aug 25, 2010, 10:19 PM
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This was a great read. I would really like to fly cam someday, but seeing as I just did my 41st today, it'll be a while.


safire190  (A 33934)

Aug 27, 2010, 9:34 AM
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This is a great thread. I'd like to add, getting my wide angle lense kicked right off my camera during an exit that was screwed up by a bad count.

And...seeing some of my video clips at another dropzone added into their student demo video without my knowledge.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Aug 27, 2010, 11:30 AM
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Seeing your wide angle lens roll by you on jumprun next to the open door.
Didn't happen to me but I got to re-attachit, real quick Crazy

Getting a bolt thingie on the floor pointed out by your tandempassenger: "Hey something just dropped out of your helmet..." on jumprun with no clue if you're still gonna have a helmet + cameras when you land (happened to me last weekend).


johnsonjd1  (A License)

Jun 27, 2011, 5:42 PM
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Things I learned this weekend.

1.) Mr. Murphy loves camera flyers as much as he likes the military.

2.) Check your camera gear after you have turned on your AAD, then wait 20 min and check it again.

3.) Carry a spare SD card in your suit pocket along with a lens rag and a spare set of goggles for the TI

4.) The camera bad luck gremlins will wait to strike when you have a full plane waiting on you, with another plane taxied and waiting behind it and then either crank your exposure setting up so high that it looks like you are filming in a blizzard or turn your auto focus back on.


theonlyski  (D License)

Jun 27, 2011, 5:46 PM
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Gaffer tape any switches you don't want changed in the airplane.

Test the zoom and snap a picture or two, just to make sure the zoom isn't too far in, and the camera didn't switch to another mode.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Jun 27, 2011, 11:33 PM
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Last week I was spotting a tandemload. There were plenty of clouds so we were trying to miss those Wink

On jumprun, we were right above a cloud. I stuck my head out the door, trying to see when the cloud ended and if we would jump with the tandems or not.

Turned out, the cloud ended on time so we jumped. Lovely view, between the towering clouds in the distance. Would've been better if I HADN'T stuck my head + cameras out of the door though, as my lenses now had heavy condensation on them for the first few seconds of freefall, left from the spotting Pirate


skydance1954  (D 18460)

Jun 28, 2011, 1:19 PM
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Said FS jumper was also a cameraman. Felt real bad about that......Blush


theonlyski  (D License)

Jun 30, 2011, 5:22 AM
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In reply to:
as my lenses now had heavy condensation on them for the first few seconds of freefall, left from the spotting Pirate

Wanna guess when I found out it was raining?

Ready, set, go.... OUCH!

Lenses had water drops on them... glad it was a no pay video that I just wanted to do.Blush



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