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steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 13, 2005, 6:10 PM
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I was wondering if anyone recongizes these old Idaho jumpers. I'll bet Darkwing knows some of them. I think Steve Morrow is on top, 2nd from left. Correct me if I'm wrong. I can't recall where this picture was taken. Might be Spokane, Washington or Star, Idaho about 74.....Steve1
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slug  (B License)

Jan 13, 2005, 7:45 PM
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1974 wasn't that long ago .. or was itShocked I forgetUnimpressed

From the photo, looks like all those young jumpers had nice gear. notice the reserve ripcord handle's some on the right side and some on the topSmile

Looks like some of their head gear was even safety rated.

That was some expensive custom gearSmile

Thanks for posting the photo.

R.I.P.

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 14, 2005, 4:10 AM
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The photo suffers from being too small and when I download it and enlarge it there isn't any resolution. I'm pretty sure the aircraft is the AT-11 (Twin Beech) that was owned by Wally Benton, at Star, ID then. I seem to recall it had a square door like that. Can you rescan, and make it a jpeg maybe, or just send me a better version via email? I'd love to look at it more closely.

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 14, 2005, 10:23 AM
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Sorry for the poor picture. My damn scanner and computer are giving me fits. I made it bigger but it wouldn't work so I had to go 75% size wise. I'll keep tinkering with it. Somehow I'll get it bigger. I'm thinking of fine tuning my computer with a big hammer.....Steve1

AggieDave  (D License)

Jan 14, 2005, 11:08 AM
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If you want to e-mail me the original, I can square it away so to meet requirements for posting and it will still have enough resolution and size to be seen well.Smile

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 14, 2005, 12:45 PM
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Good idea Dave. I'll do that tonight. Thanks, Steve1

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 17, 2005, 2:50 PM
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I'm going to try this again. I emailed you Dave, but it all came back. Ramon recommended I try Jpeg so I'll see what happens....Steve1
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steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 17, 2005, 3:01 PM
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One more time. I'm going to be a computer whiz yet....Steve1
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steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 17, 2005, 3:07 PM
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I'll be darned. There's a gal in the center of this group that I never realized was there. Bigger is better....Steve1

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 17, 2005, 6:10 PM
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I think the guy kneeling, second from left, with yellow trim on his reserve container, might be John Crist, who was a pilot and jumper. Also, the tall guy standing on the right, looks like it might be Lyle MacIsaac? No clue about the girl.

mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 17, 2005, 7:00 PM
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All shot and halves and only one Pig rig. Tongue Square door D-18, couldn't be 10 way could it?

Sparky

dick  (D 7212)

Jan 18, 2005, 8:47 AM
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There appears to be single-shot system in there, as well as a "blast" handle..........those were the days!!!

SkydiveJack  (D 6486)

Jan 18, 2005, 10:23 AM
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If you look at the front of the aircraft it appears to be a bubble nose. This means it was an AT-11, a military version of the Beech 18, used to train navigators and bombardiers. It is probably the same aircraft (just a guess on my part) in the photo in the thread "First All Collegiant - 8-way" since both threads are about the Northwest and look to be the same era.

Jack

mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 18, 2005, 12:35 PM
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If you look at the front of the aircraft it appears to be a bubble nose. This means it was an AT-11, a military version of the Beech 18, used to train navigators and bombardiers. It is probably the same aircraft (just a guess on my part) in the photo in the thread "First All Collegiant - 8-way" since both threads are about the Northwest and look to be the same era.

Jack

It sure does. I thought all AT-11's were older, round door 18's. Guess I was wrong.

Sparky

mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 18, 2005, 12:39 PM
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There appears to be single-shot system in there, as well as a "blast" handle..........those were the days!!!

Blast handle on the second from the right, back row, but I don't see the single-shot's. Help out an old mans eyes, which one?

Sparky

slug  (B License)

Jan 18, 2005, 12:49 PM
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There appears to be single-shot system in there, as well as a "blast" handle..........those were the days!!!

Blast handle on the second from the right, back row, but I don't see the single-shot's. Help out an old mans eyes, which one?

Sparky

Hi Sparky

This was a fun thread kind of like the pics of how may yhings can you pick out.

I'm guessing the guy with the one shots is the dude middle rear row. Maybe called kryloks or something?

Still don't think it's a old picTongue

R.I.P.

mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 18, 2005, 1:04 PM
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There appears to be single-shot system in there, as well as a "blast" handle..........those were the days!!!

Blast handle on the second from the right, back row, but I don't see the single-shot's. Help out an old mans eyes, which one?

Sparky

Hi Sparky

This was a fun thread kind of like the pics of how may yhings can you pick out.

I'm guessing the guy with the one shots is the dude middle rear row. Maybe called kryloks or something?

Still don't think it's a old picTongue

R.I.P.

I think you are right, the guy with the sort of red hair.
You know I was thinking that the hair styles don't fit with the gear.Tongue

Sparky

It is one of those pictures, how many things can you pick out. Or how many things can you remember.Tongue


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steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 18, 2005, 2:31 PM
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I think you are right, the guy with the sort of red hair.
You know I was thinking that the hair styles don't fit with the gear.Tongue

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You know, that's a good point. This must have been a very clean cut group of jumpers compared to most skydivers in the 70's. I thought I was the only "Red Neck" who came out of that time period...I guess not!......Steve1

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 18, 2005, 3:22 PM
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I just checked, and I have 246 jumps out of that airplane. Yes, it had a cool, bubble nose, much more blunt than a D-18. Sitting in it made me uncomfortable being so close to the propellors. It also had a small trap door on the floor, just forward of the door. You could open the little trap door and look out the bottom of the plane.

Actually I would have guessed that it was taken well prior to 1974, maybe 1971 or 72. I'm referring this photo to another guy from that time and place. He predates me by a couple of years.

Also, does the guy wearing the piggyback rig look like a very young Ted Mayfield to anyone else? Maybe I'm just having a bad dream though.

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 18, 2005, 5:50 PM
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Darkwing,
I took the picture, probably in 73. I can't recall where for sure. Some of these jumpers could be Washington jumpers. I just found another old picture taken in Spokane with the same Beech. This may be why some of the jumpers are so hard to remember. Check out my next photo....Steve1

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 18, 2005, 6:18 PM
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I think this is Wally's Beech. Correct me if I'm wrong. It was taken at Deer Park, Washington (Spokane area)..... In 73 or 74....There are some real characters in this photo. Many were Kalispell jumpers. Left to right. Dave Tousey, Nancy Krouse, Pug, Fred Sands, Me, Bob Murray, Blackburn, Andrus, Larry Mason, (B.J. Worth looking out the door) and Gordy Listor.

I've got a better photo of this at work. If this is too dark, I'll show it tomorrow.....Steve1
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mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 18, 2005, 6:25 PM
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Also, does the guy wearing the piggyback rig look like a very young Ted Mayfield to anyone else? Maybe I'm just having a bad dream though.

There never was a "young" Mayfield.Tongue But you may be right.

Sparky

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 18, 2005, 6:51 PM
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There never was a "young" Mayfield.Tongue But you may be right.

Sparky
He seemed old to us young sprouts in the 70's. I met him at his DZ at Sheridan way back when. He must be really, really old by now. Whereever he is I hope he's doing well.

Say that might be a good title for another "thread".....Ted Mayfield stories....I know a few of his stories didn't have happy endings, but I'd bet someone could write a book about his adventures. The fatalities at his place were of course unfortunate. But I'll bet there were plenty of good times too....Steve1

mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 18, 2005, 7:40 PM
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There never was a "young" Mayfield.Tongue But you may be right.

Sparky

He seemed old to us young sprouts in the 70's. I met him at his DZ at Sheridan way back when. He must be really, really old by now. Whereever he is I hope he's doing well.

Say that might be a good title for another "thread".....Ted Mayfield stories....I know a few of his stories didn't have happy endings, but I'd bet someone could write a book about his adventures. The fatalities at his place were of course unfortunate. But I'll bet there were plenty of good times too....Steve1
Mayfield thread might not be the hot ticket. I heard he is in jail.

Sparky

slug  (B License)

Jan 18, 2005, 11:24 PM
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Jail Again Crazy

Thought the DZ was thing was old history.

R.I.P.

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 19, 2005, 12:47 PM
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Smart money is now that the "round" guy wearing the piggyback, second to the right end is Ralph Hatley. Next to him, the tall guy in black is Gene Brent. Standing on left end is Larry Warner. My source is saying about 1970, but we'll see.

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 19, 2005, 4:56 PM
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This picture should be better than the others. Dave Tousey (far left) owns the bar at Lost Prairie. Fred Sand (fourth from left) owns the jump operation there. Fred and I are both balder today. Dave still looks the same, (even though he is over 60 now). Most all of us got our first kiss pass from Nancy.....Steve1
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mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 19, 2005, 5:00 PM
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Damn, you guys are old.Tongue

Sparky

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 19, 2005, 5:08 PM
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Damn, you guys are old.Tongue

Sparky

Oh, I know! I sometimes wonder who that old fart is staring back at me, out of the mirror, each morning.....Steve1

airtime1  (D 9286)

Jan 22, 2005, 9:32 PM
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Jan Sullivan and John Stubblefield put together a great collection of old photos for Eddie's services recently. I had forgotten Bullit Bob ever looked that young. Not to mention the skinny blonde kid name Ron Gulley.

Rob H

slug  (B License)

Jan 22, 2005, 9:40 PM
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Damn, you guys are old.Tongue

Sparky

Oh, I know! I sometimes wonder who that old fart is staring back at me, out of the mirror, each morning.....Steve1

As long as you remember who the dude in the mirror is your not that oldAngelic YetUnimpressed

R.I.P.

mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jan 23, 2005, 12:29 AM
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Jan Sullivan and John Stubblefield put together a great collection of old photos for Eddie's services recently. I had forgotten Bullit Bob ever looked that young. Not to mention the skinny blonde kid name Ron Gulley.

Rob H

John Stubblefield is a name I haven't heard in a long time. I was a Firefighter in San Bernardino. He and his Dad did quite a bit of development there.

Sparky

steve1  (D 23640)

Jan 23, 2005, 3:06 PM
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I had forgotten Bullit Bob ever looked that young.
Rob H

I was on a bigger load with Bullit Bob last summer organized by Beesely. When we got on the ground Beesely immediately started chewing me out for being in the wrong slot and messing up in other ways. I mean it wasn't a happy picture. When I explained it wasn't me, he finally figured out that it was that damn Bullit Bob. Bob has the same white jump suit and white Z-1. I had thoughts of getting a different colored outfit after that.

Then we went up on another load. (Bullit Bob wasn't even on this load.) Russ Berree's son was making his first tandem and we were going to build an eight way around him. Hod Sanders was the tandem master. Things were building real nice. I was going to come in next to Hod. Then some other guy hit it real hard on the other side just as I was coming in. This caused things to drop slightly and turn at the same time. I ended up catching part of Hod's burble and glanced off his side. Then I came back in for a nicer entrance. When we watched the video, I looked awful. Russ, who was watching said, "Come on Bullit Bob". So I said, "What's wrong with that Damn Bullit Bob." Maybe I'll keep my colors after all. They might come in handy next time I screw up....Steve1

JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Jan 25, 2005, 2:34 PM
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Regarding the original photo: I am sure that it is Larry Warner on the left in blue and Hatley with the X-Bow rig. Ralph jumped a mirror-image X-Bow rig; reserve handle on the right web and main handle on the left web.
Ted Mayfield was recently elected to the City Council in Sheridan, Oregon; not in jail but like most of us, getting old.

peckerhead

Jan 31, 2005, 10:27 AM
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The team pictured was called "Hatleys Whores"

Or so I have been told.

stratoflyer

Dec 30, 2007, 12:08 PM
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Here is one for the who's who, I can identify about six for sure. Ed, Phill, Allen, Squirl, Ray, Steve.
There is also a lost set of images from this same 1978 Star record attempt, which was misplaced at Lost Prarie. Slide and stills of the Star and stawberry Glen people after 75. I hope someone has them. dahlenaz


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itllclear  (D 6366)

Dec 31, 2007, 8:12 AM
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the skinny blonde kid name Ron Gulley.

No Way!

Hammitt  (D 4233)

Dec 31, 2007, 7:24 PM
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Regarding the original Beech 18 photo, wasn't that the Beech that was at a meet in Pope Valley in 1975? I believe it was one of the Idaho Jumpers that went in at Pope that year.

darkwing  (D 4164)

Dec 31, 2007, 7:58 PM
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I don't recall an Idaho jumper going in at Pope.

Hammitt  (D 4233)

Dec 31, 2007, 8:11 PM
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There was an out of stater that went in that year. The spot was further south than it should have been. He was over Potts Peak and probably had about 500 feet less to work with than his atimeter said. He cut away too low for his reserve to open.

cosmobuddy  (D 3784)

Dec 31, 2007, 10:41 PM
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Last name was Kelly and he was from Pocatello.

2ndgensteinke  (F License)

Jan 3, 2008, 11:52 AM
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thanks steve, my dads (dick steinke) not into computers at all but i showed him all these posts on dz, he got a pretty good kick out of it,
bluesCool

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 7, 2008, 9:52 PM
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OK, I'll come clean. This was at the Oct 77 Upside down meet at Star. Photo by Craig Huch

Base has
Emmett Tim Florea (Red) 8:00 position
Pete Hill (Blue rig) 6:00
Jeff Wragg (white jumpsuit) 3:00
Hank Barber & Cody

Outside:
Mike Jensen (brown) 6:00
Phil Reeves (blue/red racer) 7:00
Stevie Morrow (black/red racer) 7:30
Eddy Pancoast out 9:00
?? (Yellow rig) 9:30
me (Blue Jumpsuit) 11:00
Ray Phuillips (white jumpsuit) 12:00
Shawna (Red helmet) 2:00
Funny Miller (blue/yellow/red rig) 3:00
Randy Yost (blue) 3:00
Tom (Sully) Sullivan (red/black/blue jumpsuit) 4:00
Al Gilbert (green rig) 5:30

Low:
Tom (Rozzo) Canarozzo
Roy Baldwin
Greg Self

The real interesting part of that weekend was getting down to Boise from Athol in the '501' Beech. Thru clouds and weather with no instruments. Les Williams was the pilot and used his nothing but dead reckoning and a magnetic compass. We missed Boise, came out of the clouds at Mountain Home and had to stop for fuel in Boise before we got to Star. Good thing we were all young stupid and bulletproof.

stratoflyer

Jan 8, 2008, 6:40 AM
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Now that we have that cleared up, Do you have a set of these in your collection? The prints went to Mac or Pete last spring after the Easter road trip. I've got them on a disk still. Would love to fix you up.
I was such a newbie back then but Ray sure took me to the next level quick. Had only a clue of all those who were pioneers while they brought me into the sport. They were so innovative, Flipping formations?? Morphing a tube?? Flying upsidedown?? I've never been a normal jumper since.
Hope to see you sometime soon. dzp fieldmod@dahlendesigns.com

low_pull1

Jan 8, 2008, 6:59 PM
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ok...what is your guess on who db cooper was?

give ur best guess

stratoflyer

Jan 13, 2008, 10:57 PM
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If you look at the front of the aircraft it appears to be a bubble nose. This means it was an AT-11, a military version of the Beech 18, used to train navigators and bombardiers. It is probably the same aircraft (just a guess on my part) in the photo in the thread "First All Collegiant - 8-way" since both threads are about the Northwest and look to be the same era.

Jack

Do you know if this Beech was used at Rozzo's in Athol 77? What a great rush that was taking off over the trees. I had under fourty jumps at that time, The take-off and showing Ray the writing on his pilot chute are the clearest memories of that foggy time. I't would be nice to fill in that tail number. dzp

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 14, 2008, 10:14 PM
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Tail #s, you want tail #s? Well, it would take some digging to find but Jeff probably has all that shit logged along with total time on the airframe, annual date, # of trips to Mexico etc. All I know is the green/white plane was 501. I think that was an AT-11 but I'm not sure. I also have a D-18 and an SN1-B that we called "snib" logged. Maybe the long term memory will kick in soon.............Wink

stratoflyer

Jan 14, 2008, 11:04 PM
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No need to go digging, just was curious if that one got around and was one of the things that connected aAthol and star. I was such a newbie that it was all quite overwhelming. Keep your eyes open for those slides that went missing in lost prarie the udside downer in 77 and 78. Team name foreskins was one of the unique ones.
Did you hear that a road is being planned that might take the DZ off the map? i'll tell ya more if you want the info. fieldmod@dahlendesigns.com dzp

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 15, 2008, 4:22 AM
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As I recall, the AT-11 (bubble nose) belonged to Wally Benton, in Star. I think Rozzo's beech at Athol was a D-18. I recall the SNB, but I don't remember where it was or who owned it. I think Rozzo's D-18 is the one that Joe Taylor crashed with a load of Montana musicians, killing all.

JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Jan 15, 2008, 9:28 PM
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Hi Jeff,

No 'thinking' about it; I Caught up with Rozzo out at the dz in Jean, NV a good many years ago (his last day of owning the dz) and we spent a full afternoon kicking the old days around.

It was his Beech and crazy Joe did her in.

JerryBaumchen

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 15, 2008, 9:53 PM
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OMG Jeffy, I can't believe I'm going to compare logbooks with you but I think Rozzo had at least 3 Beeches thru the years and always 2 at OZMO thru the mid to late 70's. My log book shows lots of AT-11 loads at Henley and OZMO and a couple of references to '501' as an AT-11. That was the green/white one that Les Williams landed with the right main stuck in the up position and Mo riding it down with him instead of jumping. Remember that one?

SN-1B showed up later as I have a few of those logged starting in 77 and remember video of it from the mid 80s. I always assumed it was Rozzo's or maybe Taylor's, but it was treated as an OZMO plane. The AT-11 had a square door and I think it replaced a knot-hole D-18 which was what we jumped when I first got to Henley in late 74-early 75. I've also got some local (not Mayfielld's Orange Crate or White Whale) D-18 loads sprinkled in through the 70's. So I think we used the AT-11 as primary and the D-18 as back-up and formation loads. But who was paying close attention when we could use the DC-3 for a load of 8?

Guess the next step is looking at old photos (buzz jobs obviously) That's my story and I'm sticking to it.............for now anyway. More later.......maybe.

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 15, 2008, 11:07 PM
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OK, here it is; 501's finest hour. Joe Taylor buzzing Star at the 2nd upside down meet July 78. And my finest hour, doing a double moon with Zak's wife Cheryl. I have no idea how I got picked for that load, but it sure was fun.
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bozo  (D 10154)

Jan 16, 2008, 4:20 AM
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Hi Jeff,

No 'thinking' about it; I Caught up with Rozzo out at the dz in Jean, NV a good many years ago (his last day of owning the dz) and we spent a full afternoon kicking the old days around.

It was his Beech and crazy Joe did her in.

JerryBaumchen

Yeah it was his Beech. Rozzo still had two more Beeches when he first came to Vegas to open his DZ.
They were both painted purple and silver and had Imitari Airlines on the side. He told me at the time that was his "importation" company.

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 16, 2008, 10:36 PM
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OK, here's an easy one. Name these guys in Kalispell '77.
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airtime1  (D 9286)

Jan 17, 2008, 5:50 AM
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I think I spot Emmett, Funny, Rozo and Pancoast. But they all looked so much older and mature when I started 3 years later. RobH

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 17, 2008, 8:57 AM
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ROFL. Good one Rob. Wink

Yep, you got those right. There's 3 more that should be easily identifiable to Boise boys. And a couple of others more hidden but still identifiable to Jeff and No. Idaho guys.

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 19, 2008, 9:26 PM
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The others are Lyle McIssac at the far left standing next to Herbie Gibson in green. Sully in red/black rig is talking to Emmett. I think that's Randy Houk on the other side of Rozzo (red/black reserve flaps visible). Joel Anderson is on the other side of Emmett.

OK, next picture: at the 78 Nationals in Richmond. Who's going to name and tell a story about these 4 famous Boise boys who proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was something mighty peculiar in the water.
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2ndgensteinke  (F License)

Jan 20, 2008, 12:45 PM
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i don't think they are missing, when my dad was down visiting me over christmas he was saying something about diggin' up old footage and pics he had along with his log books that where somewhere in the attic at the house. When I move home in april i will find them.. i want to see what was going on in the "good ol' days" i hear so many stories from dave t. my dad and the rest of the gang at l.p should be good shit, i know there are atleast 5 or 10 photo albums at the house with pics from all over the place from the early days, all sitting in the closet. have to spend a couple days lookin through themSmile maybe even post a few

stratoflyer

Jan 20, 2008, 2:51 PM
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The others are Lyle McIssac at the far left standing next to Herbie Gibson in green. Sully in red/black rig is talking to Emmett. I think that's Randy Houk on the other side of Rozzo (red/black reserve flaps visible). Joel Anderson is on the other side of Emmett.

OK, next picture: at the 78 Nationals in Richmond. Who's going to name and tell a story about these 4 famous Boise boys who proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was something mighty peculiar in the water.

If I heard correctly there was some question of whether or not launching a formation was permitted. Did my mentors win out on that and open a door of exit possibilities? I thought that was the story. They sure shaped my thinking about exits and skydiving in general. dzp

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 21, 2008, 9:00 AM
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some question of whether or not launching a formation was permitted
While I don't believe that was the question, Jeffy can weigh in on the details of some real groundbreaking questions about exits that he asked in the 4 way team briefing (4 way was out of Cessna 182's). One quetion was "could they ask the pilot for a certain flap configuration". They (Tesseract) had some pretty good exits figured out which involved using the leading edge of the flap (which needed to be 10 deg down). The chief pilot had never heard about that, so he naturally resisted (afraid there would be some hidden danger).

There was also some controversy (or at least ambiguity) about how long they had to launch after the exit command. The judges were using telemeters and they did not want the exit to be straight up. Judging back then was unavoidably pretty loosey goosey. A side note; it was so loosey goosey that one judge Crazy wanted to add her own criteria of how "pretty" the formations and transitions were; not just whether or not the formation was correct and grips were there. While that idea has some legs today with the exquisite in-air video, it was considered a "hash dream" back then.

Well, that's all I can remember right now; my team wasn't good enough to worry about any of that, so I didn't pay a whole lot of attention. Jeffy and Tesseract did win the 78 Nationals in 4 way though. Jeff's website has a picture of them cracking the champagne after the last jump which was pretty dramatic IIRC.

Jeffy, time to add your detail. Cool

stratoflyer

Jan 21, 2008, 10:10 AM
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Thanks for the clarification, and Jeff do chime in here and send me a link to your site. I would like to see what you're up to lately and if a current project might interest you. Likewise with you ted, it has been a while, since what the upsidedowners or has it been more recent, thought you were here is Az a while back?

dzp www.dahlendesigns.com

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 21, 2008, 12:35 PM
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send me a link to your site
Jeffy's history for all the world to see:
http://www.cofc.edu/~wraggj/skydive_hist.html#special

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Ted......thought you were here is Az a while back?
. Yeah, Eloy right? that was only 10-12 years ago. You still there?

stratoflyer

Jan 21, 2008, 1:50 PM
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Ted......thought you were here in Az a while back?
. Yeah, Eloy right? that was only 10-12 years ago. You still there?

Still am favoring this climate over what I grew up with. I miss the small DZ environment though. dzpfieldmod@dahlendesigns.com

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 21, 2008, 4:45 PM
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some question of whether or not launching a formation was permitted
While I don't believe that was the question, Jeffy can weigh in on the details of some real groundbreaking questions about exits that he asked in the 4 way team briefing (4 way was out of Cessna 182's). One quetion was "could they ask the pilot for a certain flap configuration".

We launched pretty much every formation in 4-way competition at the time. The aircraft was C-182s. Some decent teams launched a single formation and transitioned to the 1st point. Our exits certainly gave us an edge at the time, although jumping anything other than a C-182 removed some of our edge I think.

The "Flap" issue was interesting. Being an unknown team from nowhere at the '78 Nationals, nobody paid attention to us (I considered it a plus). At the captains meeting prior to competition I asked if anyone objected if we wanted a notch of flaps for exit, and were we allowed to grip the leading edge of the flap. One guy I didn't know said he "would object only if we won." I guess we got the last laugh on that. The next year we won also, but it wasn't as big a surprise to everyone else.

Judging was VERY different. Cats had to be straight for example. You couldn't get away with "cheating" on grips as you can today. The formations had to be pretty much carbon copies of what the diagrams in the competition manual look like, or else the judges would say it wasn't presented properly.

Also, you had to know where the judges were on jump run, because you couldn't transition off the hill if the formation was edge-on to the judges. This explicitly entered our dive plan on each jump.

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 24, 2008, 12:30 PM
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5 or 10 photo albums at the house with pics from all over the place from the early days, ........... have to spend a couple days lookin through them, maybe even post a few
I'm sure there are some classics in there that would be even better if the background information was told.

Case in point; the Boise boys at the Nationals; right to left: Pat Arther (the squirrel), Funny Miller, Little John McEnroe and Randy Yost. These guys set the background, created the culture (however you want to describe it) that gave us Pete Hill at his finest. I mean, Pete, being a redhead and all, never needed any help with crazy ideas, but I don't think his life and reputation in Spokane could hold a candle to his Boise shenannigans, thanks to guys like these. And I say that with more than a touch of awe Shockedand envy.

For example: Pete blew up a dead cow at the DZ one new year's eve. But what led up to that? I'm sure it wasn't meticulously preplanned........it just happened with some help. I think I'll send Pete an EM and ask him to set that record straight. Wink

airtime1  (D 9286)

Jan 26, 2008, 8:43 PM
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I'm sure there are some classics in there that would be even better if the background information was told.

Case in point; the Boise boys at the Nationals; right to left: Pat Arther (the squirrel), Funny Miller, Little John McEnroe and Randy Yost. These guys set the background, created the culture (however you want to describe it) that gave us Pete Hill at his finest. I mean, Pete, being a redhead and all, never needed any help with crazy ideas, but I don't think his life and reputation in Spokane could hold a candle to his Boise shenannigans, thanks to guys like these. And I say that with more than a touch of awe Shockedand envy.

For example: Pete blew up a dead cow at the DZ one new year's eve. But what led up to that? I'm sure it wasn't meticulously preplanned........it just happened with some help. I think I'll send Pete an EM and ask him to set that record straight. Wink
Ahhhh - The original "flaming assholes".

Nothing like bringing your new girl friend to the DZ for the first time during a boogie to introduce all your new friends.

Three nude guys run through the building trailing toilet paper on fire.

For any of you uninitiated, try this - take a roll of toilet paper wad a little up and place in in your (deleted for liability reasons), then tear off about 15 ft. light on fire and see if you can streak the distance of the packing area before it makes you a "flaming" asshole.

Don't worry the faster you run the slower it will burn - really!

After that it was always said, "when your ready to get rid of your new girlfriend bring her to the DZ".

darkwing  (D 4164)

Jan 27, 2008, 7:55 AM
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For example: Pete blew up a dead cow at the DZ one new year's eve. But what led up to that? I'm sure it wasn't meticulously preplanned........it just happened with some help. I think I'll send Pete an EM and ask him to set that record straight.

The scary thing is that I think the cow died of shame, before Pete blew it up. I think it wasn't in to interspecies "relationships."

sdctlc  (D 16437)

Jan 28, 2008, 12:14 PM
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Pat Arther (the squirrel), Funny Miller, Little John McEnroe and Randy Yost. These guys set the background, created the culture (however you want to describe it) that gave us Pete Hill at his finest. I mean, Pete, being a redhead and all, never needed any help with crazy ideas, but I don't think his life and reputation in Spokane could hold a candle to his Boise shenannigans, thanks to guys like these. And I say that with more than a touch of awe Shockedand envy.

Ted,

I think it is safe to say that the stories that could be generated by Pete alone could both thrill and scare most "normal" people. Toss Squirrel's and the others stories into the mix and even the "slightly off" people might be astounded....

Scott C Wink

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Jan 28, 2008, 9:58 PM
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Pete said he'd try to come by and "tell the cow story." But truth be told, I'd rather hear a Squirrel story.Cool

Brian1469

Nov 7, 2008, 10:14 AM
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Sorry to be reviving an old thread. I came across the Kalispell pic and showed my dad. He said that he's pretty sure that DC-3 in the photo is the one that crashed at Athol. Anyone know if that's the case?

cosmobuddy  (D 3784)

Nov 7, 2008, 11:09 AM
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Yes, N64490 is the same DC-3 that crashed at Athol in April, 1980. It came over to Kalispell a couple times in the 70's. Say hello to your dad from me.

FooFoo

Nov 8, 2008, 10:08 AM
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This is killing me - I have to chime in... been reading this thread for an hour now and have tears in my eyes. I pushed all you guys out of airplanes it seems. Living at Athol the three Beaches are 501 (AT-11) of course, 761WP and 132E. In 1978 I started flying with Taylor then got sucked into OZMO and lived in the A-Frame. Left Athol in 1991. Lee Oman (Namo) and I (Foo) flew the majority of the loads in Athol, and MANY in Spokane, from about 83. As soon as I saw Dr. Pete's name in this thread, I couldn't stand it, had to say something. I'm headed for the old albums.

FooFoo

Nov 9, 2008, 7:39 AM
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OK, you guys got me going through my stuff. Here's an oldy. Rozzo's paracenter poster. I suppose Joy was the artist. I suspect I collected this around 1980-1981.

FooFoo

Nov 12, 2008, 6:19 PM
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OK - guess the poster has to be under 200K.... wonder if the number still works. Rozo or Frankie used to answer - sometimes it was Richardo.Smile
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FooFoo

Nov 12, 2008, 6:35 PM
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I thougth it was 501 we called "SNIB" but could be wrong. Here's a photo of the other AT-11 (Glass nosed beach). Can't recall its tail number. I also have photos of WP and 32E if anyone needs some of those.
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cosmobuddy  (D 3784)

Nov 13, 2008, 8:22 AM
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N450M

Tidlof  (D 6691)

Nov 13, 2008, 8:53 AM
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Foo foo, you got it right in your earlier post; 501 was the AT-11. SN-1B (Snib) was the glass bubble navy version in your picture.

I have (or had) some video of wingwalking/plane to plane transfer crazy shit using Snib at Athol in probably mid-80's. Remember that? I'm sure you and Lee were flying those loads, right? I suppose it could've been Joe.

Is Ricardo still in Athol? How's he doing? Emmett's still in Garwood and doing fine if you didn't know.

FooFoo

Nov 13, 2008, 8:59 PM
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Fred's right (Hi dude) the N number - I looked back. I wasn't flying the "transfer" - was there though. I was low man on the pilot pole back then. I believe I remember that it was Lee that made the transfer - right? Out the door, out the leading edge to the wingtip, then over to that moving target of a vertical stab. After a couple attempts, success. Crazy shit is right. Haven't seen that video in many, many moons. I think the last time I pushed you out (Ted) was a moonlit night over Spirit Lake - the full moon lit up the canopies - one of my favorite visions. Very surreal. Might also have been a night formation load over Joe Alby stadium.... scary shit too. Richardo is still in Athol. We talk once in a while. Need his e-mail?

oldguy50  (B License)

Feb 13, 2009, 3:56 PM
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I recognize Florea, Rozo, and Anderson from the pic posted on 1-16-08 at the door of the DC-3. In fact, I think I was at that boogie in Kalispell. I jumped down at Moscow, Idaho mostly (Palouse Parachute Club). It was always a big thrill to drive up to Athol and jump with the likes of Morrow, Jeff Wragg, Brad Dunkin, Rozo, etc. I should go through my old photos. Just took the sport up again a year and a half ago. Up to about 600 jumps. First 20-way last summer at Skydive Chicago! If Emmet reads this, I still have that red and white jumpsuit - you sold it to me at about the time that picture was taken. Anyone know how to get in touch with Joel Anderson?


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