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Ron

Jun 25, 2004, 7:02 AM
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In keeping with on of Bills threads....I thought I would post a few of my really stupid things I have done.

Learn from them...Make fun of them....I don't care. Most on here think of me as a saftey nazi...there is a reason for this...I survived my dumb mistakes and have seen others make the same mistake and not live to learn from them.

1. Around jump #34 I climed out to float on a Queen air with my chest strap undone....A guy inside saw it and pulled me back in.


yoink

Jun 25, 2004, 7:23 AM
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good one...

as part of this confessional:

after a long spot, I was so focused on making the landing area that I didn't realise I was flying down the length of the runway from 1500ft down... Luckily the pilot saw me
Blush


don't do this - pilots and CCIs get quite angry.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Jun 25, 2004, 7:55 AM
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Somewhere around jump #200, I had an off field landing. I looked for obstacles and didn't see any. Knowing better I decided to do a big fat 180 hook into the field I was landing in. Didn't see the barb wire fence until I was right on it, good thing I was able to lift my legs and pop over it.

HP landings + unknown landing area just isn't a smart thing to do at all.

Blues,
Ian


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ladyskydiver

Jun 25, 2004, 7:58 AM
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Misrouted my chest strap and had it come undone in freefall.


jlmiracle  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 8:25 AM
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Around 250 jumps had a reserve ride cause I didn't check my handles before I left the aiplane and my hacky was shoved all the way in the pocket.

Around 350 jumps Had the misrouted chest strap. Luckily another jumper caught it on the plane. (Thank you BA)

Judy


DShiznit  (B 27023)

Jun 25, 2004, 8:33 AM
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Downwind landing in 20kt winds - thank you, OXYGN.


lifewithoutanet

Jun 25, 2004, 8:39 AM
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1. Around jump #34 I climed out to float on a Queen air with my chest strap undone....A guy inside saw it and pulled me back in.

What!?!?! And no one noticed this before!?!? No one should have LET you on the plane, let alone ALLOWED you to climb out before checking that!

(It's called sarcasm.)

Good post, Ron...goes to show that even you guys w/ 1000s of jumps were once newbies.

-C.


CanEHdian  (B 4418)

Jun 25, 2004, 8:49 AM
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@100+ jumps, visiting new DZ, long spot, hell bent on making it back, just barely made it by clearing roadside hydro wires and ONLY releasing brakes to flare my landing... anyone care to count all the mistakes? ;-)

Cheers,
CanEHdian


Premier skybytch  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 8:52 AM
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Around jump #75 I opened way too close to a friend after a four way. We bumped end cells shortly after each of us had grabbed toggles. We both learned to look around when we were tracking after that.

Around jump #100 I pulled at 2500 feet. No big deal, that's about where I usually pulled back then. I was supposed to track away from the camera guy first instead of pulling in front of him though.

Around 725 jumps I got a canopy that was just a bit too fast for my skill level. But I knew I'd get it figured out, and I was going to be really careful with it. 60-ish jumps later I was out of the sport for a year because the 58-ish bad landings had helped destroy a couple of discs in my back.


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Jun 25, 2004, 9:01 AM
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Pick the time.Unimpressed

250 jump, hooked towards the clubhouse to swoop someone and got tunnel vision. Never realized there were no outs and forgot about the volleyball pole being there. Hooknswoop had to sew that patch on since I ripped the end cell open as I landed.

350 jumps, downwind landing on a hot air balloon jump onto a gravel drive way. Ended up tumbling through gravel.

550 jumps. Spinning opening with the wingsuit. Other person and I had poor seperation and in the middle of my 360 spins I went right around him. Yeah, in the 50 foot tube that I seemed to be going around he was right in the middle of it.

685 jumps, tried to swoop the gates - Target fixation and realized it at about 160 degrees and 35 feet. Hardest dig I've ever done and since it was'nt an even flare/dig it ended up being a hard ground carve flare.


freakydiver  (D 26421)

Jun 25, 2004, 9:39 AM
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Ouch! I had 89 jumps, I was under a Sabre 135. I thought I could fit a 180 hook from abou 70 feet. Needless to say, it didn't work so well. I left a four inch divot where my face hit. I actually walked away with only scratches and a huge appreciation for people who really knew how to swoop a canopy. I slowed my progression down big time after that (-:


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Jun 25, 2004, 9:46 AM
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I'd have to look at my logbook to figure out what jump this happened on, but somewhere in the 175-250 jump range I came off of a solo head down jump (which was going well) and missed my 4500 break off ProTrack warning. So I misinterpreted the 3000 foot pull warning as my break off warning and found myself hauling ass at 3k. The video shows me doing a 180 and looking at my wrist mount altimeter (it showed 2200), I wave off and pitch. Snivel ... snivel ... snivel and my main canopy opens. But unknown to myself, my Cypres fired as I was deep in the saddle and due to this circumstance (and the fact that the container was considered tight for the reserve) the reserve never came out of the container (the reserve PC was left dangling), and I then executed a 180 front riser carve and landed in the peas and saw this reserve PC flop down in front of me ... thinking ... this isn't right. I easily could have been killed on that jump had my reserve come out of the container and entangled with my main while I was in the middle of my 180 front riser carving turn.

Lessons learned ... when I find myself at 2k with nothing over my head, go for my reserve. Some old time belly fliers may be thinking what's wrong with pulling at 2k, but when you are coming off of a head down jump hauling ass in the rarified air of CO, going for one's reserve is a better option. Shocked

Oh and the 750 foot Cypres altitude we've all been told about is for a "belly to earth" orientation. The Cypres will fire much higher when you are head or foot first towards the planet.


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Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jun 25, 2004, 9:48 AM
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Other things -

Landed next to a row of trees on a windy day; canopy stalled at 25 feet. Broken foot, torn ACL (in different legs unfortunately.)

Spent $250 (total) on my first main and container. In retrospect that was a big mistake; I never got a good landing out of that thing (a Pursuit 215.)


FrogNog  (C 34484)

Jun 25, 2004, 9:49 AM
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Early on (~100 jumps?) when working on accuracy, I tried too hard to hit the "X" and was not in control when I touched down. The late Winter ground was very soft and I PLFed the heck out of this but I was sore for a week all over.

Probably 50 jumps later, on a double-front-riser approach I kept trying to "get down to glide" all the way down to about 10 feet. I gouged the ground right through the target. Luckily all the stains were green and the limp went away in about a week. My failure here was not admitting the approach had problems and going to "safe landing mode" by an appropriate altitude. I may have avoided contact with the ground by yanking my toggles harder, but that wasn't the core screwup here.

We were hotloading a 182 on the taxiway once - me (normal jumper) and 3 wingsuits. - when a plane showed up behind us. I got nervous about being in their way and when I got in last, I was in a hurry. One of the other guys pointed out that loading in a hurry is very bad. (Pulled handles or worse.)

I confused the pilot with the fuel truck operator once.


Ron

Jun 25, 2004, 10:29 AM
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Around jump # 40 I was in a 4way...I floated bad....So I quite skydiving on that jump and did freestyle...

Man was that stupid.


chuckbrown  (D 19538)

Jun 25, 2004, 10:30 AM
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Didn't PLF when trying to land a canopy that got damaged in a CRW wrap. OK, that's 2 stupid things. Now I have lots of metal in my ankle and have refined my PLF to a fine art.


freakydiver  (D 26421)

Jun 25, 2004, 10:37 AM
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LMAOLaugh


Ron

Jun 25, 2004, 10:41 AM
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Oh, it gets better....

Around jump # 370 I downsized from a Raven II to a Stiletto 120...I hooked that fucker in on my 3rd jump on it.


I had jumped several other canopies first, including a ST97, but I really did go from owning a 220 sq ft 7 cell F-111 to a 1.4 loaded Stiletto 120.

And like I said I hooked that fucker right in.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Jun 25, 2004, 10:48 AM
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I did a lot of DIY pilot chute experimentation with 2 reserve rides as the penalty.

Jumped in winds so high that even with the truly excellent PLF, I still hurt my shoulder because that's where I ended up. So I went jumping the next day anyway, even though I couldn't lift my hand to the top of my head Crazy.

Wendy W.


WrongWay  (D 27371)

Jun 25, 2004, 11:15 AM
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I had off-dz landings for about 20 jumps off student status. Hence, WrongWay. Wink

I was a horrible canopy pilot. Tongue


JeffD  (Student)

Jun 25, 2004, 11:20 AM
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Jump # 8.
280sqft Nav.
winds 5-10
Zhills

http://dropzone.com/...rum.cgi?post=760302;

Downwinded it because I was thinking to myself (yeah I can hit the peas) and I didn't realize the Arrow pointed in the landing direction and not the wind direction. At about 150' I realized I was moving along pretty good (ground speed) and so I just stayed calm and kept it level and flared, got about 2 steps and tumbled. I landed maybe 100 feet from the boarding area and about 20 feet from the taxiway (no airplanes though) I got talked to. Cool


OnYourBack  (D 25190)

Jun 25, 2004, 11:31 AM
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Took a sunrise 3 way to about 1500 before the camera man dumped and clued us to look at our altimeters. I was in the saddle at about 800. Luckily I had forgotten to turn on the cypress in the student rig I had borrowed.Crazy

I had a couple hundred jumps and the other 2 and camera guy had a thousand or better each. They figured I would be keeping track, and I thought they would be.

Many lessons learned by all that morning.


ManBird  (D 28001)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:13 PM
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Left a plane with all my wings on my wingsuit unzipped, just to see what would happen. Nasty mal ensued due to some instability and bizarre entanglements between my lines, my suit, and my limbs.


crutch  (D 10182)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:25 PM
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Around jump # 40 I was in a 4way...I floated bad....So I quite skydiving on that jump and did freestyle...

Your not the guy I chewed out in front of his girlfriend, are you?Wink


crutch  (D 10182)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:29 PM
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I have got so many that I believe the man upstairs just doesn't want me! The guy downstairs just thinks I am too stupid to take the time and come and get me!

If some of ya'll are in Palatka for the Hog Flop, just let Bobby start celebrating my birthday, a few drinks later ya'll will hear some really good ones!


Stacy  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:38 PM
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Jumped in conditions people wayyyy more experienced than I were were sitting down in. Sleet, huge gusts, you name it.

Jumped a Cobalt 120 @ 200 jumps, when my main was a spectre 150.

Mos tof my behaviors after hours.

__


larsrulz  (C 34603)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:40 PM
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Did my second sit (training jump with a coach, ~#60) without a wrist alti, only had an audible. Fortunately it was stable and I kept my eye on the coach and he gave hand signals (planned during the 15 min 182 climb) for 8, 6, and 5K breakoff. I heard my audible at 5, but sometimes I worry about trusting it.


Flyer2Diver  (B 31162)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:51 PM
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Rushing to get on a short call, omitted gear check and jumped with cypres off and RSL improperly connected (would likely have prevented a cutaway). Thankfully the RSL problem was caught on jump run. Crazy

Lesson: Rushing to make a short call usually isn't worth it - I've since become a lot more conservative about hopping on short calls.

Leaving the otter at 14k with my helmet unbuckled. Of course the wind sucked it off my head as people were pointing at the strap. Luckily it found its way back to the DZ parking lot that day without doing any damage to itself or anybody/thing on the ground.

Lesson: Check all straps & buckles on jump run - not just the "important" ones.


CanuckInUSA  (D 26396)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:56 PM
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In reply to:
Jumped in winds so high

I've got one of those ...

I can't remember what jump # it was, but somewhere around 60-70 jumps, I jumped my Triathlon 220 in 25+ mph winds, and got blown all over the ground once I landed and my ass was dragged through a cactus field and I picked up a couple of hundred of those prickly things along the way all over myself. CrazyCrazyCrazy


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brits17  (D 24752)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:56 PM
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Around jump #500 was stoked from a great pond swoop the jump before. Went big on the next one for the sunset swoop and chug contest, and got complacent since I was over H20. I ate it pretty good, flipped through my risers. Was unharmed, but would have severely injured myself over land.


teason  (D 18902)

Jun 25, 2004, 12:58 PM
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Previous Mr Bill story and teathered fights aside....

At 50 jumps, I landed between a building and powerline on a windy day.
.... Collapsed my Sabre at 15 feet.

On one of my first RW coach jumps, I tubed my student (who I thought was doing really well) at 7000'.
.... He let go of me under 2000'

At 300 jumps, I thought tracking in the old style sit suits was a better plan than dumping when I saw someone under me.
.... Struck his canopy in freefall.

About the same time I tried to impress a student friend by hooking a swoop past him. 10-12 mph Down wind. No outs. Obstacles. Runway.
.... actually ground down the soles of my shoes skidding!

Hooked behind the downwind side off a building.
.... almost a broken ankle.

Left my gear next to a sprinkler on the Y2K jump at Skydive AZ and soaked the gear.
.... did the night jump anyway to "Airdry it"

Came up with the "fruitloop" exit for cessnas.
.... now banned at some Cdn DZs.

Jumped a "kneebrace altimeter" (my own invention) and found out they don't work with baggy pants.
.... open at 1000'

Fixated on a student under a streamer and forgot about pulling until his opened.
.... opened, flight check, turn, land.

Tracked with a jump run.
.... opened between two freeflyers.

O.K. my fingers are tired and this is the tip of the iceberg.
Me smarter now!Crazy




chileanXaos  (C 143)

Jun 25, 2004, 1:37 PM
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jumped over a residential zone big houses we knew there were places to land but no one had been down to check the place , so we just did some head down over the place , opened and each one landed were he decided ,I saw a big space near a gas station but didnt noticed a small wire fence , until i was swooping , just went over it and stalled at the other side , and tumbled over some stones.

swooped into into a motocross course nearly hited two dirt jumps the one in the enter of the swoop for one foot and hited the one in the end. then decided the place was to tight.

Trying phyco pack I packed my main with a line twist , then jumped it from an ultralight at 2500 feet over a lake nearly at night without altimeter and had pilotchute hesitation because of the low speed exit.


FrogNog  (C 34484)

Jun 25, 2004, 2:08 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Jumped in winds so high

I've got one of those ...

I can't remember what jump # it was, but somewhere around 60-70 jumps, I jumped my Thriathlon 220 in 25+ mph winds, and got blown all over the ground once I landed and my ass was dragged through a cactus field and I picked up a couple of hundred of those prickly things along the way all over myself. CrazyCrazyCrazy

This is one thing I did smart: I got out when we thought the winds were fine. I saw ugly clouds coming generally our way but they were many miles away. (OK, maybe that part wasn't the smartest.) Turns out gust fronts don't have clouds; I was at 1,100 feet for over a minute because of the weird winds. I managed to sashay it out of the monster updraft and into a steady level wind just faster than my normal forward glide. I double-front-risered it so I would land barely inside the huge student field, disconnected my RSL at 50 feet, flared slightly and chopped the instant my feet hit the ground (which was also the instant I started leaning over backward).

I saw the wind in the grass from 750 feet and knew I was going to be dragged hard and fast. Just being a few seconds ahead and thinking about what I was going to do made it a lot easier on me.

I refused to go back up the rest of the day, even when they said the winds had passed. Smile


teason  (D 18902)

Jun 25, 2004, 2:31 PM
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I jumped my Thriathlon 220 in 25+ mph winds, and got blown all over the ground once I landed
Had a beauty with that myself!
Jumped a demo into the Canad In stadium with 25 mph winds. One guy in a mascott outfit bounced his head off the Home Depot parking lot!

The first dumb move was made by the pilot. When we saw how far the DWI drifted we asked him what the winds were. Even though we were jumping 2 miles from Winnipeg Int'l Airport, he decided that the LAS in the stadium would have more insite than Air traffic control!

Our mistake, we believed the pilot when he said the winds were 11 gusting 14 when our eyes told us we had 2 miles of drift!
Nothing scarier than drifting backwards into the stands with weight bags and flags hanging from you, knowing your only out is the top of the next building cause the parking lots' full of cars!


Chrisky

Jun 25, 2004, 2:52 PM
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Read it here.
Good thread.


Brains  (D License)

Jun 25, 2004, 2:58 PM
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around 250 jumps or so i decided that i was going to be cool and swoop the beer line like all the cool kids did. I was so fixated on the target that i initiated my turn around 150'. I dug so hard that i gained altitude about the time my knees, shins, and tops of my feet hit the ground on the other side of the runway. Went back into the air and let the toggles all the way up, flared and landed standing up (barely). DZO saw me make turn as he was driving down the driveway and just drove out to the landing area to see if someone needed a ride to the hospital.Pirate VERY humbling experience to see your friends running out to you with horror on their faces.Unsure


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 25, 2004, 3:20 PM
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Had just downsized to a Curisair, 200 sq. ft, and went up for a night jump. Rather then land at the target area I was going to dazzle my buddies and land in the packing area in front of manifest. (Perris) Where the chain link fence is now there was a fence make of telephone poles. Well guess where I landed, on the fence. Broke both ankles and dazzled my buddies. Pirate
The good news, when you break both ankles you don't wear out one tennis shoe.Tongue
Sparky


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Jun 25, 2004, 4:26 PM
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I put down my bag in the middle of a pack job to go show the video I'd shot on the last load. Came back and the pack job was kinda kicked around. I thought "Hmm, this must go . . . this way", and packed it all up. Next load, cutaway. What a knucklehead!

Another time, on a boogie in Costa Rica, we had to move down the aisle of the Twin Otter on jump run, past all the other jumpers. I didn't protect my rig well enough, and the pin on my pullout got popped. I climbed out front float, and looked down to see my pilot chute laying on the leg of center float! I blasted off the Otter before my main opened, just like I teach in the FJC, so everything worked out okay, but. . . protect those handles.

Oh, one more. Tracking back to the DZ after a tracking dive, I saw a friend's canopy way down there. No problem, I'll be in front. Track, track, track, oops, the canopy is flying straight at me, PULL, grab toggles, here comes her canopy, pump, open, kick her canopy, and fly away. Land, confess, and apologize like hell.

This is a great forum, a lot of things to learn.Smile


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Chrisky

Jun 25, 2004, 4:31 PM
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In reply to:
The good news, when you break both ankles you don't wear out one tennis shoe.Tongue
LMAO!

Dry and unexpected.


towerrat  (D 28189)

Jun 25, 2004, 7:34 PM
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At about 250 jumps I left a helicopter at 5,000ft. I was in the saddle under my Sabre at about 900ft.
At about 300 jumps I downsized and went elliptical at the same time ( Ron was irritated ). I put about three jumps before I hooked it, lost control and left a giant skidmark through another jumpers brand new canopy.I saw him but didn't think I could swoop that far, I was wrong.I scared the hell out of both of us, an he was pretty pissed (rightfully). He has since forgiven me.
At around 500 jumps, I went with a highly experienced jumper to land in a place I had never seen beforeTongue


skymick  (E License)

Jun 25, 2004, 7:41 PM
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1. took at 2 way out of a biplane at 3k in the middle of cloud..to busy geeking the camera and was open at 1200 (no cypress)..then made the mistake of spiralling in to land so it made it look even worse then it was (great way to get grouded)

2.Accuracy comp. a mixture of target fixation and complacency caused me to hook it in...broke my back

3. on a 4 way comp we were the only team to willingly exit after a shite load of black rain clouds formed benieth us on jump run... wasnt that stupid but man it hurt and we got drenched...


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 25, 2004, 8:41 PM
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In reply to:
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The good news, when you break both ankles you don't wear out one tennis shoe.Tongue
LMAO!

Dry and unexpected.

I am always unexpected but not always dry.Smile
Sparky


VectorBoy  (F 321)

Jun 26, 2004, 11:43 AM
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 #1 At a hundred jumps went from a canopy loading of 1.1 to a loading of of 1.4 and simultaniously 1.6 both on elipticals. In retrospect perty dumb although I've gotten away with it. Others in the same boat were not so lucky. Now I'm in no rush.

#2 250 ish jumps. Low altitude, regular rate turn but over water and not being able ( due to sheer lack of experience ) take into account the "mirror effect" of a smooth waveless pond and the brite reflection of the afternoon sun. Plowed straight down in it.

#2 An incorrectly rigged bird-man base style bridle resulting in a cut away. Not scared at the time but NOW not very keen on having anything in tow in a wingsuit deployment.

Easy lessens learned in retrospect all could have been mortally more expensive.


tcnelson  (C License)

Jun 27, 2004, 12:33 AM
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your not a safety nazi; just a safety conscious person. glad you made it! Smile


Ron

Jun 27, 2004, 1:57 PM
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In reply to:
your not a safety nazi; just a safety conscious person. glad you made it!

Yep...i have survived several really good fuckups.

I want people to learn from my mistakes so they don't have to risk getting killed to learn the same lessons


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 27, 2004, 2:34 PM
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I want people to learn from my mistakes so they don't have to risk getting killed to learn the same lessons

People I think the point of this thread is to realize that if you do not learn from the mistakes of others you will not live long enough to make all the mistakes on your own. Some of us made mistakes and survived, who knows why. Others made mistakes and died. Its simple, learn why they died and don't go there.
I don't love or even like every one I've met in this sport but I have never met anyone I disliked enough to want to see them get hurt/die because they did not have the information to make sound decisions. If you have the information and still make bad choices, life can be a bitch.
Sparky


Unstable  (D 28930)

Jun 27, 2004, 8:10 PM
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Hmmm, On jump 56 I started Climbing out with an absolutly TERRIBLE spot of mine - most embarrassing part was the pilot reached out and stoped me - I still hear about that from a few people... Tongue

I've gone low on a couple 8-ways, a 16-way, as well as a 32-way. Smile I always ask to have one of the last docks - Someday I'll learn..

Went out and jumped a Powered Parachute into some farmers field with a buddy of mine. the Local S&TA did NOT think that was funny... Shocked

Jumped a Sabre2 120.


Push  (A 10205)

Jun 27, 2004, 8:36 PM
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Just this weekend, landed from a jump. Here I am, packing my canopy, when a whole crowd of over 60 people come in to the hangar to debrief the new Canadian RW record (congrats everyone) and stand all around, almost on, my packjob. Hrm. When they're more or less gone, I quickly wrap the packjob up. Quick enough to almost forget to cock the PC and fuck up my line stows, having to redo them. All this to make a short call. Needless to say I repeated my emergency procedures several times on that ride up.

So me and my buddy get out for our sitfly practice. After lots of orbiting, I track away, and with a yell of "OPEN!!!" I throw the PC. It opens, whew. Noone but buddy anywhere in the sky. But now that buddy is too close for comfort. He doesn't see me, so when I try to spiral below him, he spirals with me and I can't shake him off. I fixated on him so badly that I forgot to set up for my own landing. At ~700 feet I turn to final and realize that I'm way too long. Go into the deepest brakes and I'm still going straight for power lines. So what do I do? Instead of sashaying, or just plain turning around, I try to find an out instead. Turn 90, trees! It's now 300 feet and I'm under a Stiletto in a very tight LZ. Flat 90 turn, going straight for 3 parked Otters! Wait, there's a small gravel road off to the side. Make a slow carve at 60 feet, good thing I learned my slow flight controls, I'm downwind with speed from the carve, no time to turn, this is it, gotta land, scared, yell out "Mommy!" and flare high. Tumble, dirt, gravel, ouch. No breaks or tears, but my knee still hurts.

Don't do that.


Ron

Jun 28, 2004, 4:10 AM
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Around jump number 150....I wore weight for the first time.

I took out, not ONE, but TWO 8 way skydives.

After the first one they didn't want to jump with me again, but a buddy got them to give me a second chance....

When I hit them the second time it soulded like a bowling alley.

Add weight SLOWLY....and on SMALLER dives.


rainman  (D License)

Jun 28, 2004, 6:11 AM
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Very recently I tracked (90 degrees off jumprun, which was good) straight for a cloud because I love the visuals and the sensation of speed when falling through 'industrial haze' Blush.

While I was in said cloud, I remembered the gliders circling the DZ.....Crazy

This made for a couple of exciting seconds, but fortunately there were no gliders when I regained eye-contact with mother Earth.

I won't be doing that again anytime soon...


Ron

Jun 28, 2004, 6:18 AM
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In reply to:
People I think the point of this thread is to realize that if you do not learn from the mistakes of others you will not live long enough to make all the mistakes on your own

Yes, but also:

1. Don't be afraid to admit you made a mistake. It takes a big person to admit they screwed up, a small person to hide it and make blame. You can only learn the lesson if you admit you need it.

2. Realize that you are going to make mistakes...Everyone does...It is a natural part of learning.

But yes the biggie is to learn from the mistakes of others...you will not live long enough to make them all yourself.


Skyrad  (B License)

Jun 28, 2004, 6:46 AM
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The week after my first chop (Spinning in undeer bad line twists that I couldn't get out of) I was playing about with the stall point on my canopy when it totaly stalled. The slider came down over my Z1 I couldn't see a thing, didn't realise what it was and almost filled my pants! Blush


flyangel2

Jun 28, 2004, 11:35 AM
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 OMG, how in the world did I miss this thread.

Ron, thanks for sharing your mistakes. If it leads to one person learning, it was worth it. It takes a big man to come out and admit their mistakes. You are truly amazing. Thanks!


livendive  (D 21415)

Jun 28, 2004, 4:07 PM
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Experience: 170 jumps
Experience at the DZ at which I found myself: 0
My main canopy: Triathlon 175 (square 7 cell @ ~1.3:1 wingloading)
The main in the rig I borrowed: Jalapeno 108 (elliptical 9 cell @ ~2.2:1 wingloading)
Deployment sytem on borrowed rig: Pull-out (my first)
Exit altitude: 2100 feet w/ very poor visibility.

I didn't get hurt, but man that was stupid! First jump at a new dz, first jump on a pullout, first jump on an elliptical, first jump at anything remotely close to that wingloading, and all from 2100 feet with an awful lot of "haze".

Blues,
Dave


flyinchicken  (C 3130)

Jun 28, 2004, 4:56 PM
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Blush
Aha!
Well, I'll work backwards.
Jump #244 Tired and restless being at the DZ on a beautiful day and not jumping I got on a load even though the winds were still a little gusty(stayed on the ground for this reason most of the day). doing a solo last one out of the plane good 8 count cuz the pilot said the uppers were gusting 15 - 22. The spot was pretty long but figured I could open round 4000 and have no problems getting back. Well guess the two way ahead of me noticed the long spot as well and decided to open higher. I came out of my ff style series at about 6000 and saw two fully inflated canopies direclty below me, got all nervous and went right to my belly(did not track off) and pulled at bout 5500. Made it back to the DZ no problem but for some reason was so worked up about the peeps being directly below me(and the way I handled it) I landed like a moron directly on the runway! Was yanking on my canopy to deflate it and saw the plane coming directly for me. Ran INTO the wind with my half inflated canopy to get off the runway! Thank god the pilots saw me and I didn't end up as road kill. Everyone at the DZ was so cool with me but I was so pissed at myself I started bawling like a baby and have decided I need a LOT of RR before I decide to go skydiving again.

Jump#103 Left my helmet on a bench with my alti inside it while packing, someone must have walked by and accidentally knocked it off the bench. Rushed my pack job to hit the sunset load grabbed my helmet and ran to the plane only to notice when I got on that the hand had fallen off inside my alti. Thought to myself "no problem I still have my dytter, and my eyes, all will be well". Was sick and tired of getting the really long spots because I was practicing freeflying and pulling a lil higher. I decided I wanted to get back to the DZ this time so decided I was pulling lower, then got in an argument with a bloke on the plane about who should exit first(as if it would REALLY matter). This guy is pretty experienced and has a MUch higher wing loading than I. Well, didn't reset my dytter because I was too busy trying to get out sooner....Decided to do a two way with another low jumper on the plane(just to get out sooner) get to the door I'm counting the other guy gets set up and jumps WAY too soon after a flat flyer. I watch him pass the flat flyer in the air then jump out after him still too soon! the whole sit jump watched the belly flyer drifting above us while trying to signal to the guy I'm jumping with that he is there. Decide to scrap it and track off as far as I can and dump. MY DYTTER DIDN"T go off! Seems the battery had come loose on it. Never got on the plane since without checking both repeatedly!

Jump#19 Cutaway because of a spring loaded student pilot chute under my canopy, got so freaked out couldn't remember how to land went past the trailers and turned into the wind and went through a short bush and landed five feet from a trailor.

Jump#13 I'm supposed to be spotting, a bunch of experienced guys on the ground tell me to look for the x on the ground(they have their spots marked) I decide that if it's that easy to not THINK and just look for the X. Door opens and I look down i see the DZ ahead of us and an X below us smile at my instructor and climb out. My instructor tried to grab onto me and I did a backflip off the strut. cut up my instructors hand unbeknownst too me. I have a spring loaded pilot chute go under my main It was pretty windy and inflating a bit but I had no control problems. Flew the canopy right back to the DZ shut off my radio and landed. I was grounded for two weeks.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Jun 28, 2004, 9:18 PM
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I downsized from an F111 220 sq. foot canopy to a 150 in a day. Well, not really a 150 even; it was a Safire 1 149, which I later found out was really closer to a 140.

I made one jump on a 190, 3 on a 170, and then jumped my canopy. Yes, I had 1100 jumps, but it was still stupid. Good thing I'm really good at PLFs, because I did a lot of them.

Wendy W.


tattoojeff  (A License)

Jun 29, 2004, 2:05 AM
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jump 200 ish. fogot to un-collapse the slider while packing. and jumped it. whammo!!!!


Ron

Jun 29, 2004, 5:29 AM
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jump 200 ish. fogot to un-collapse the slider while packing. and jumped it. whammo!!!!

I got a story.....

Well I go to a new DZ, I have maybe 30-40 jumps.

The local skygod comes walking by me sitting in the packing area and throws his rig at me and says "New fuck, pack this".

At the time I was an innocent 20 year old trying not to make waves.

So I packed it......

Everone is busting my balls for packing his rig when he ordered me to...

He lands from the next jump yelling and cussing...He comes running into the hanger everyone wants to know what was wrong...He says "That son of a bitch didn't uncollapse my slider!!!"

The whole DZ busted out laughing at him, and congradulating me for sticking it to him.

I asked him if he wanted me to pack for him again with an evil smile.....

The truth? I didn't know I had to uncollapse the damn slider...But he didn't know I did it on accident... NEVER fucked with me again.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Jun 29, 2004, 8:28 AM
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First jump into Warburg, Alberta: did not know what DZ looked like until after opening.


Z-Hills Easter Boogie: hook turned my Strato-Star twice, bruised my knee and bragged about it in front of a load organizer. Next morning I had to explain to DZO Jim Hooper why he should not ground me.

Target fixation, at night, under a Strato-Star 180. Sprained my ankle. I limped off the DZ and repacked. Was annoyed that Spaz refused to jump with me on the second load. Drove myself home. By then the adrenaline had worn off and it took a painful half hour to limp across parking lot.
Didn't walk again for two weeks!

Visiting Valcourt, did not know why they ignored a local jumper when they invited me on a demo into Brome Lake (the town, not the lake, silly). First guy out had a really scary flag arrangement. Winds were stronger than I expected and my Strato-Cloud 230 was slow to begin with. I made it into the baseball diamond, just barely! Draped my canopy over the fence!

Demo jump into another baseball diamond, only this time it was in Northern New Brunswick. We did a pass at 1500 to look at site, then climbed to 2500 for jump run. Lots of clouds at 2000. I recognized a church near the site, gave it another 10 seconds, then leaped out first. I remember hanging under canopy, in clouds, doing slow circles, thinking "Larry is going to kill me if I miss!" Came out bottom of clouds a long way from baseball diamond, but still did a graceful stand up landing in the outfield.
The plane circles five more times, but no one else jumped because none of them could see the baseball diamond. We all spent Sunday night in town because it was too cloudy to fly the plane home.

Fast forward 8 years. target fixation under Shrike 210, sprained same ankle again. Kept my mouth shut and machoed my way through the last dive of a PFF Instructor Certification Course.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Jun 29, 2004, 9:39 AM
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How 'bout this: Blush

Swapped canopies 'cause I thought I'd need something bigger then my Lightning 126. Most of my stuff is on reversed risers (I have a PdF Atom).

In the plane @ 2000ft: check 3rings. W*F?! I'd connected one riser the right way, and one upside down (these were regular risers). Great......... One of the guys I was supposed to be filming offered to turn it 'round in the plane, no thanx.... Rode that one down.

On the ground, let canopy owner check canopy, he turned the riser around, was sure it was okay. Didn't re-pack it Blush

Guess what..... Next jump I'm under this big (well for me) 150 Tri, with one riser twisted all the way round. Oh well, it flew okay-ish and landed fine.

Note to self: DON'T DO THAT AGAIN BlushBlushBlush


tattoojeff  (A License)

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nice!! lol in a way he caused the packing error by vibing you out.


StearmanR985  (A License)

Jun 29, 2004, 10:31 AM
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At ~100 jumps I did a couple of jumps with a borrowed Stiletto loaded @1.4 in a borrowed rig with a new to me pull out system just to "check it out."

At ~100 jumps landed on the frontage road between the power lines and the freeway. Not smart, but one of my best landings ever. Must have been the pressure not femur myself or die either. Wink

Jeff


flyinchicken  (C 3130)

Jun 29, 2004, 8:04 PM
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Quote:
At ~100 jumps landed on the frontage road between the power lines and the freeway. Not smart, but one of my best landings ever.


My first night jump ever.....pin pointed the landing area on the dummy jump run pass with the help of another lowtime jumper....didn't realise someone had corrected her just after she explained it too me.
Turned out the green light that was sposed to be the top of manifest was a land boat storage yard. ended up doing a very tight landing pattern into a 300ft x20ft area surrounded by power lines right beside the highway. Stood up my landing with my nose inches from the barbed wire fencing. canopy went over the fence. Had to climb the fence get the canopy back over as it was the only way out. Found out an hr later that there is usually a guard dog in that storage lot!
Shocked


mjosparky  (D 5476)

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Ron.....You are truly amazing. Thanks!
In reply to:

Yes, Ron, so truly amazing!Tongue


skydogs  (D License)

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At around 200 jumps.

I was a sit pilon for an indy 500 race. We decided that it would be nice if the pilons had about 8 feet of 2 inch webbing to hold out as streamers.. I tied a loop in the webbing and put it around my hand.

So you guessed it.. At deployment, the webbing wrapped up in my lines and gave me a horrific opening. Lucky I didn't mal...

So there I was with one hand stuck up in my risers with webbing that you could tow a car with... Finally got my hand out of the webbing, but I couldn't get it out the lines before landing.. Spent so much time trying to fix it I landed ~significantly~ out..

Lesson: ANYTHING you add to a skydive has the potential of killing you...


TangBu  (C 102574)

Jul 5, 2004, 7:23 PM
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Thanks Ron, for starting an informative and enjoyable confessional. For my biggest gaffs:

- Student rig, watched a snivel for over 10 seconds before it finally opened about 1500 feet. I had lost altitude awareness, was so busy willing it to open that I forgot about everything else. Got yelled at for that one.

- About jump 12 on my nice new canopy, came in fast over an uneven farmer's field and tried to run it out. Lost my ACL.

- After my first FF coach jump, tracked off and looked at alti, was lower than expected so rushed my pull. Flipped over on back, saw bridle snake past my arm and main open between my legs, pulling me into the splits. Could barely walk for two weeks.

- "Forgot" what I'd been taught about pulling the slider out of the pack job, got away with it for dozens of jumps before being slammed. Sore back & neck for weeks, and the pain in my chest makes me think most of my organs were bounced around a bit too.

- Low turn to avoid a fence, fortunately only damaged my pride, but was spoken to about that one as well.

- Decided to try stalling the canopy at about 2000 feet, ended up in a diving spin with line twists and lines wrapped around my hands so I couldn't cut away. Kicked like mad to get out of it.

- Just this past weekend, thought I was ready to touch down and dropped my left toggle to collapse the canopy. Flew another 5-10 feet (straight!) before really landing. Thankful for large, not-so-high performance canopy (Sabre2 170).


speedy

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- Did a demo jump from just under 1500 ft. We never got high enough to activate cypres. Pulled the main, a vengeance 120. All went well but never again.

- Thought I could do 180° front riser hooks at 150 jumps. Was lucky and got away with a very sore elbow.

- Struggled with a bag lock due to double stowed rubber bands all the way down to 1500ft. I finally got it open by yanking the risers and managed to get out of the 6 lines twist very quickly. Should have chopped.

- On my VX 99 due to a long spot, I used the rear risers to just make it back to the DZ. At 100ft I realized I had not released my brakes either. Nicely stalled the canopy landing with the risers. Sore backside for a few days.


Ron

Jul 7, 2004, 7:20 AM
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Had a bag lock once around 500 jumps....I grabbed the risers and yanked like hell on them...

Now I know that will not work. The amount of force being put on it by the PC is MUCH more than I could ever put on it.

It cleared by luck...But I took WAY to long to mess with it, could have easily NOT cleared, and I wonder if I would have reacted fast enough to survive.

New plan...I don't like what I see and its GONE.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Had a bag lock once around 500 jumps....I grabbed the risers and yanked like hell on them...

Funny to hear you say that. I got shit from a bronze world champ medalist for NOT doing that during my bag lock around 400 jumps.

Maybe I should have stopped to take a picture while I was burning through 2 grand. I mean bag lock's a slow mal, right Crazy </sarcasm>

Quote:
New plan...I don't like what I see and its GONE.

One that has served me well.

Blues,
Ian


speedy

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Once decided to demo a 98 sqft canopy. I hooked it up to my rig and started packing it and noticed it was a bit small. I checked the label and saw it was a 78 sqft Shocked
I unhooked it and got the 98 sqft model. Packed it and jumped. It opened and went into a wild spin that I was just barely able to hold straight by countering with a rear riser. I could not see any popped brakes so I chopped.

When we recovered the main we discovered it was ....
Yes, the 78 sqft version Blush

Lesson learned, check what you hook up to your rig is what you think it is.


amy  (D License)

Jul 7, 2004, 9:52 AM
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Jump #32, with a container that is too big for the main I've got in it (no one had discussed the importance of a tight main closing loop with me, and it was rental gear).

Our two-way backloop exit caused some loose bridle to flap around, enough to dislodge the main pin. The guy I'm in a 2-way with gets a horrified look on his face, then I feel the bag lift off my back.

Having just made the transition to a throw out, and having never been introduced to the idea of a horseshoe on a throw-out, I pulled the cutaway handle without even trying to get the PC out of its pocket first. Fortunately, the PC was stowed on the belly band and it cleared when the main went away. Might not have been so lucky with an ROL.

Shouldn't have rushed that transition jump, but that's another story.

Amy


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 7, 2004, 1:00 PM
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Maybe I should have stopped to take a picture while I was burning through 2 grand. I mean bag lock's a slow mal, right </sarcasm>

Just so there is no misunderstanding, with a bag lock you accelerate. Like Ian and Ron said get rid of it.
Sparky


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Thanks Sparky,

Definately better to clear it up than assume someone got the sarcasm.

Blue ones!

Ian


jdfreefly  (D 24037)

Jul 7, 2004, 2:50 PM
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1) Dropped a toggle on a velocity 111 very close to the ground

2) Landed a velocity 111 without flaring it


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

Jul 7, 2004, 8:22 PM
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Don't expect to learn a lot from this...but it was stupid!




Log Book #1
jump #85 July 28 1996
Exit Alt 3500'
Delay 15 sec
Winds yes
Dist to target TFTM

Entry
4way blender Bob Al Andy Me
Everything your not supposed to do!

======================================

From memory

Tropical storm Bertha...rain no jumping, eye, lets go,
take mike on first 4 waySmile....maybe get 6 grand. Got 3500',
every one climbs out as planed...shitting pants now...
rain light to moderate...funnel exit...star with 2 face to earth
and me and Al on our backs...brake off 2500'..track(steep delta)
away???? until 2000' ...wave off...then see what a real track looks
like close up! turn track again(bob 2 times in place)
check Alt-II chest mount 1500'...wave again...dump( nasty old gear)
..line stretch 1100'...rain light to moderate...hook in field
...7 cell tree top level...slide in wet grass...sit on tailgate
of truck(yes one came) holding wet gear...slip off, on to road
as soon as truck moves(2 of us)!


masher  (D 3806)

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In reply to:
Dist to target TFTM

to far to measure??


mikeat10500  (B 3715)

Jul 8, 2004, 8:18 AM
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Yes TFTM=to far to measure....it was about 3000m or so.


tbrown  (D 6533)

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Hadn't been jumping a square for very long, this was back in '79, when I was descending toward the peas, deep in the brakes on a 5 cell canopy. Noticing a whuffo with a camera snapping pictures of me, I decided to "give him a scare" and let my toggles up, real fast. Gave him a hell of a scare. Gave myself an even worse scare and pulled those toggles all the way back down FAST, though it didn't do much good. Managed to get up and hobble away, pretending nothing was too out of the ordinary. I wouldn't recommend trying that on today's canopies, unless your affairs are in order.

Also packed and jumped a soaking wet canopy once. Believe it or not the opening was completely normal. I just couldn't get the right brake to come loose, it was so waterlogged it had swollen up and jammed. Had to cutaway, but not 'til I'd dicked around with it down to about 1200 ft.

Oh to be young & stupid again !!


friflaj  (D 47004)

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1: Out for a trip to a DZ I used to frequent but hadn't been for a while, with my regular skydiving buddy. I knew the planes, I knew the staff, I knew most of the jumpers. Little wind, *big* ass landing area. By all accounts, this should have been fun and easy, but for some reason, my buddy and me were *extremely* nervous. We did two jumps with mounting tension, and at the 3rd jump we found ourselves facing each other at some 10-15 meters after opening... yow! Lesson learned: listen to your heart. Even if you've driven 3 hours to get to that DZ, sometimes it's best to just accept that today's not for skydiving, regardless of the weather.

2: After we had been moping around the DZ waiting for the storm to calm down for what seemed like ages, the winds finally dropped -- a little. Everyone in our group went up, so so did I. *Big* mistake. The winds were still very high and turbulent, and at the end of a superfun dive we found ourselves miles out. The others find a little field to land (although I did see some tumble during their tailwind landing), my options were limited to trees, more trees, a busy road, some smaller roads with powerlines across, or a small patch of grass between the trees and the road. Seemed to be working our OK until I came near the treeline, and I *think* the turbulence from the treetops did something funky with my canopy, because the next thing I remember was me lying on the road I had vowed to avoid, laughing through the pain about the cyclist that had fallen off his bike as my crash landing beside him scared the bejeezus out of him. That incident took me out for 9 months. At the start of the season :< Nasty open fracture of my left leg, broken vertebrae. Fortunately, I lived to tell the tale, and most of the damage healed.


jumperconway  (D 24335)

Jul 13, 2004, 1:28 PM
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Waiting to hear my second and third beeps from my pro-track watching jaws drop below me decided to just pitch. 20 second canopy ride with 1 flat 90 degree turn. Still unsure if my Cypres worksCrazy.
Don't depend on gadgets. Use your eyes and your common sense.


Mr.g  (D 837)

Jul 14, 2004, 4:59 AM
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About jump 27, my first jump with my own rig. Im waiting to board the King Air when a senior jumper remarked ‘That’s not right’ pointing to my chest strap. When I looked I found that I had misrouted the chest strap.

Round jump 40 I decided to mess around after a 2 way instead of tracking away. The other guy had the same idea and when I looked down I saw the he had done a feet-first and was now waving off just below me. Had to track like hell and dump in the track to miss him.

Live and learn I hope.


pccoder  (A 43773)

Jul 14, 2004, 1:55 PM
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Reading this thread


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 14, 2004, 2:06 PM
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In reply to:
Reading this thread

You have something better to do with your time? You might learn something.


Casurf1978  (A License)

Jul 14, 2004, 3:46 PM
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1. Coach freefly jump tracked straight up the LOF at breakoff. Lessons learned: chill out more and dont rush things. I wanted to get away to deploy and shouldve taken the extra second or two to establish which way to go. Rather just go.

2. Broken arm/elbow when I "reached" on a landing. Lesson learned, PLF PLF PLF and dont mix Vicodin with beer.


Ron

Jul 15, 2004, 6:44 AM
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In reply to:
Reading this thread

I guess you are already to good to learn anything?

Shame, you are the exact reason I started this thread...So people like you could learn from the mistakes of others...And as a place to tell the stories of your mistakes, without being bashed so that others could learn from them...

I guess you have nothing to learn and have NEVER made a mistake?


Harksaw  (C 33932)

Jul 15, 2004, 6:53 AM
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Jumped a PD230 in winds so high I landed backwards and was dragged about 50 feet.

Also, once packed a sabre and did something else before putting the bag in the container, when I got back I confused the proper way the bag was supposed to go in. I accidentally put the bag through the lines and packed a step-through with a bunch of line twists.


(This post was edited by Harksaw on Jul 15, 2004, 6:58 AM)


jimbarry  (Student)

Jul 15, 2004, 10:59 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
Reading this thread
I guess you are already to good to learn anything?

Look, to each his own, but I need to jump in here and balance that other comment out.

Ron: Thanks!!! for starting this thread! Needs to be said.
To the dozens of others: Thanks!!! for all of your candor and details.

As a newbie round canopy jumper and soon to be AFF student, I hope I'm speaking for a quite a few others who have really appreciated this thread so far.

Just how the hell did you all pass information and learn from each other, cross country and around the world before dz.com? So, thanks sangiro, or whoever it was who stuck their neck out, put in the effort and started it. If I've only got 5 minutes online, I go here to "Safety and Training" first and only.
(only then will i consider adding my own political diarrhea to Speakers Corner)Crazy

That said, I hope I never have to post to this thread as my training progresses. And thanks to you all, I'm sure you've made it less likely, whether you all know it or not.

But I probably will (crap), so in that case, I'll be back... Keep the thread a-rollin'...


pccoder  (A 43773)

Jul 17, 2004, 7:22 AM
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mjosparky - actually I do have other things to do with my time. skydiving is my hobby. not my life

ron - i never said i was too good to learn anything. by the way, thanks for giving ME credit for being the reason you started this thread.

Actually, I can't really even remember why I wrote what I did in my original post. I think I was reading some obvious completely asinine mistakes people were making and hastly posted. I suppose I should have read and thought a little more before posting my response.

So, sorry about that. Everyone be sure to read this entire post and try not to relive and of the mistakes others have made.


badlock

Jul 17, 2004, 10:44 AM
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Stupid things I've done:

No1.: During examination, pulled totally unstable after hop'n pop exit. Glad the big fat F111 canopy was so nice to me and opend good Angelic.

No2: I did a solo skydive on a cloudy day.
The plan was to pull at 3200 ft.
At arround 400 ft I felt into a cloud and wanted to pull, after I were out of the cloud.
A really stupid plan. I left the cloud at ca. 2500 ft and pulled immediatally.

No3: Did a RW jump with instructor.
The plan was to dock him, track away and dock once again.
I docked him, tracked, got a brainlock and tracked back straight to the instructor CrazyShocked.
Glad he was smarter than me and managed the situation. Crazy


Really stupid things - but I've learned my lesson and hope to be smarter in the future. Angelic


Ron

Nov 30, 2004, 5:51 AM
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In keeping with on of Bills threads....I thought I would post a few of my really stupid things I have done.

Learn from them...Make fun of them....I don't care. Most on here think of me as a saftey nazi...there is a reason for this...I survived my dumb mistakes and have seen others make the same mistake and not live to learn from them.

Well here are two more....Well one just shit happens, and the other stupid.

#1. I broke off from a 16way Saturday. There was one guy low and we lost him right before break off due to clouds. I turned and tracked as hard as I could to try and get the hell out of dodge. I entered a cloud at around 2800 feet and I broke out about 2500...The problem was there was a deploying parachute right below me....When I say right below me, I mean I not only saw the canopy, but the stitching on the canopy. I was maybe 150 feet above it. I had enough time to think "Shit" and "Keep Tracking"....In truth, I don't think anything Iwould could have done would have helped...I cleared the canopy by a few feet but only because I was already in a max track.

Lessons:
#1. Try like hell not to jump when there are clouds, when they are in the 2 grand to 4 grand range....I got lulled into being OK with this due to the fact that the 16 way was full of really great jumpers all but one of them had several thousand jumps.

2. Deploy before a cloud, or take a delay after passing through one....More so if you went low on breakoff.

#2..(I had a busy weekend Wink)

The bad hook on Saturday.

The plan was a 180 degree hook from the mockup towards the deck with a 90 degree carve to the right towards the trailers after my surf was started.

The problem was while I was in my dive towards the deck I saw two canopies coming in from the hanger towards the swoop pond accross my curent flight path.

I had two options:
1. Continue my path and maybe collide with one of the two canopies, or if I make the carve before them, maybe make them turn to avoid me and maybe they get hurt....Both not good options.

2. Continue to turn my canopy so that I ended up parallel with their flight path taking the danger away from them and risk breaking my own leg.

My stupid deed, so it should be my broken leg. So I turned. This is the turn people saw, not the first hook.

I knew I was low and it took all of the dig I had...Any more and I risked a high speed stall.

As it was, I planned out and never hit the ground. It was close, but the only part of me that touched was my feet, and only after a very short swoop.

If it had not been for me having almost 2,000 jumps on the same size/type of canopy...I am not sure I would have been able to pull it off.

Have fun


(This post was edited by Ron on Nov 30, 2004, 6:00 AM)


dorbie

Nov 30, 2004, 11:03 AM
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Well on about jump # 10 I tracked back down the line of flight, thinking it was really cool when I flew past the 4 way that exited before me. When I told my instructor they set me straight in a hurry.

On about jump #30 I almost exited with my helmet & goggles still through my chest strap, the pilot pointed out my error.

When on student status I got geared up without activating my AAD. An AFFI caught it in a gear check.


Scrumpot  (D License)

Nov 30, 2004, 2:33 PM
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It was close, but the only part of me that touched was my feet, and only after a very short swoop.

Ron, you weren't really too far "in the hole" then! Not until/unless you had pulled up your feet (lest planting them in the ground), and your THIGH was then the only thing to touch the ground before you eventually stabbed/dug it out. WinkShocked

C'mon bro, be real! Angelic

Actually, in the vein of the purpose of the thread then though, ...what, if anything do you think you could have done so as to have AVOIDED getting yourself into this "corner" (not a swoop corner, but an options corner) in the 1st place? Was your view of the other canopies before setting up for landing somehow obstructed? Were the other canopies/pilots setting up somehow completely out of your lane of vision/anticipation for the swoop pond compared to what you had planned? You stated that your swoop (path & location presumably) was "planned". When was this planned? ...During your canopy decent, so that it would have been virtually impossible for anyone else to have otherwise known this, or sometime before, so that prior COMMUNICATION could have potentially averted this situation?

Fair questions?
Please let us know.
THANKS!
-Grant


(This post was edited by Scrumpot on Nov 30, 2004, 2:37 PM)


Dumpster  (D 27314)

Nov 30, 2004, 2:55 PM
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Let's see -

Jump # 16 (Static line progression-) Learning to track - Went tumbling - lost altitude awareness - FXC fired at about 1200 feet - Became a poster child for altitude awareness.

Jump number 60 - Packed my rig on a Friday night with a three-beer-buzz going - Result = Cutaway on the first jump on a beautiful Saturday morning.

Jump # 100 - Took out the base on a 12-way - Learned the value of baggy jumpsuits on bigger formations.

Jump # 342 -Broke left ankle (Tib & Fib) - Uphill landing in light winds with a 1.36:1 wingloading wearing hiking boots (I normally wear fairly slick-soled sneakers-).
Still recovering with 1 plate and 8 screws resident.


Scrumpot  (D License)

Nov 30, 2004, 3:06 PM
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Jump # 100 - Took out the base on a 12-way - Learned the value of baggy jumpsuits on bigger formations.

If this is the lesson you think you've learned from this, please go back and reconsider/re-"learn"! You haven't learned ANYTHING from this by this indication/quote. Mad

Not "ragging" on you. Legitimately concerned by this for your (and others) future safety, if this is what you truly believe.

Think about it/get some input on it during your down time. My best wishes to you for a hopefully speedy, and full recovery.

Blue Skies,
-Grant


Dumpster  (D 27314)

Nov 30, 2004, 3:17 PM
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I was wearing a rather snug RW suit and was one of the last out of the plane - So by the time the rest of the formation and got together they had slowed down alot and I couldn't flatten out enough. Oh yeah - I learned alot over time and through a polite but to-the-point debriefing afterwards- I soon ordered a baggier suit/ swoop cords to slow my 180 pound frame down a bit-


Scrumpot  (D License)

Nov 30, 2004, 3:34 PM
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I soon ordered a baggier suit/ swoop cords to slow my 180 pound frame down a bit-

Although "dressing for success" CAN be a PART of the equation, I do still fear here, that you are not fully getting it.

I myself, at my peak pushed over 219 lbs (that's nearly 250 total with gear ...out the door), yet with only ONE (R/W) jumpsuit could just as easily (and have been) either in the base, or as well as late diver on as big as 40-60 ways. You do NOT want to be RELYING on your baggier suit and swoop cords to be what (puts you into and then subsequently is what you are then relying upon as a result to) get you out of these situations!

Please talk with your more experienced up-jumpers who regularly jump big (or biggER)-ways in your area and who may know you, who can help you out with this. Either that, or we can take this to PM's so as not to further "hijack" the thread.

Blue Skies,
-Grant


firstime  (B 28972)

Nov 30, 2004, 5:53 PM
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Jump#50, first jump on my new rig. Open door and
Mr Dickhead (me) gets out. I get out on my back as
normal to watch the rest get out and the guy after me is looking out and down to me with arms out as
if to say "what the f$%^ are you doing, I flip back to my belly to see the drop zone which has 2 10,000'
runways about 2 miles away. How in the hell does
someone miss a drop zone that can land 747's.
It's easy if you dont watch the spot. The next few days everyone wanted to know if I brought my compass for the next jump. DOH!!!


kallend  (D 23151)

Nov 30, 2004, 6:34 PM
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Stupides thing I ever did had nothing to do with skydiving.

I turned down a professorship at Yale!


firstime  (B 28972)

Nov 30, 2004, 7:22 PM
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[qStupides thing I ever did had nothing to do with skydiving.

I turned down a professorship at Yale!
uote]

ditto!! don't go there otherwise this thread would turn
into 100,000 postsShockedShocked


jumpinjackflash  (B 27757)

Nov 30, 2004, 7:22 PM
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ROFLMAO

Damn Ron, this explains alot.

Now I know why your such a safety freak.


It's a wonder you didn't take yourself out of the game early on.


Glad your around to beat on us.


Smile


j


Dumpster  (D 27314)

Nov 30, 2004, 7:33 PM
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Bear in mind this funneled jump was 242 jumps and about two years ago - In addition to a more suitable jumpsuit I've gotten more practice and guidance on bigger-way jumps, just as you suggest.


jumpinjackflash  (B 27757)

Nov 30, 2004, 8:36 PM
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I've got to jump in here....

Every time, I read something like this, I have an urge to do a little research.

I pull up your (PCCoder) profile, and serach posted threads, and find your latest as????

Quote:
Crash Landing - Very Lucky Quote | Reply
I had a crash landing today, jump 120. I did a 90 degree riser turn and got completey fixated on the wind blade in the middle of the field. By the time I realized I was too tow, it was too late and I bounced on my back/butt and flew through the air on my back stratling the wind blade and landed again and layed there. It seemed almost instantly everyone was on the field telling me not to move, etc. The ambulance arrived shortly afterwards and took me to the hospital.

Believe it or not, all I have is a really sore and painful mid-back. I was shocked and suprised because while I was flying through the air after bouncing I was certain that I had completely hurt myself seriously. Many x-rays later showed that nothing was broken. However, the two doses of morphine at the hospital and the Loritabs I am taking right now are helping make it bearable.

This only happened 7 hours ago, so I haven't truely had any time to really think about lessons learned. But one thing I am sure of is that I was completely lucky. It could have been so much worse. And, everytime I try to replay it in my mind and think about how quickly I realized the ground was coming up on me and then a sudden smack and bounce...it's almost nauseating.

This is not the first time I have had issues with hiting the ground, only this is the first time I have done it with any decent amount of speed. About 50 jumps ago I flared a little late and bruised my cocyx, but was able to keep on jumping that day. Something I most definately need to learn from this is how critical it is to not ever loose focus of what I am doing and where I am in the sky. Also, I need to consider the very true reality of my not being ready to start such aggresive landing approaches like I have been for the past 20 jumps or so.

Now, I'm not trying to stir the shit here, I just have to ask, do you still think reading these posts belongs in "Stupid Things I have Done"????

A little freaked out right now, as to both reading through this entire thread (couldn't help myself when I started, couldn't stop), then finding your little comment above, then, finding out what the latest news is on you???

Any correlation?



jjf


Ron

Dec 1, 2004, 5:47 AM
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In reply to:
Actually, in the vein of the purpose of the thread then though, ...what, if anything do you think you could have done so as to have AVOIDED getting yourself into this "corner" (not a swoop corner, but an options corner) in the 1st place?

I could have pulled higher to land last.
I could have landed away from everyone.
I could have not done the landing...But I thought I was clear.
I could have told people what I was going to do.

In reply to:
Was your view of the other canopies before setting up for landing somehow obstructed?

The canopies in question were Velo's....They descend mush faster than my Stiletto. They must have been above me with my canopy blocking my vision.


craddock  (D 22750)

Dec 1, 2004, 8:51 AM
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Night Jump at SDC. They had about 20 cars lined up in the main landing area. I went over and threw a big 270 hook and swooped the pond. The next day a good friend of mine, who had never talked about it before, decided he wanted to swoop the pond also(daytime of course) and came looking for advice on how to practice for it. A few weeks later he was Dead.


pccoder  (A 43773)

Dec 1, 2004, 11:18 AM
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In reply to:
Now, I'm not trying to stir the shit here, I just have to ask, do you still think reading these posts belongs in "Stupid Things I have Done"????

Mad Yea you are. If you'd read through my entire post you'd have seen that I took full responsibility for what happened to me and admitted it was stupid. Do you have nothing better to do than to "rub it in" or "kick a man while he is down?"

My original post in THIS thread was made in haste and I believe I posted later on that it was a mistake to make the comment that I did.

Perhaps I should "research" you and dig up whatever crap I can find to try to embarass you publicly. Not sure if this is the "stupidist thing YOU have done", but it is stupid none the less.


jumpinjackflash  (B 27757)

Dec 1, 2004, 11:48 AM
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No, not at all.

Feel free, I do stupid shit every day.

Which was the point of this entire thread, too which, you jumped in this thread, and remarked was "stupid".

I just was dumbfounded when I read through this thread, and saw what your comment was, then found out you biffed.

Blew my mind, that's all. You have to admit, your comment, made absolutely no sense.


Ron

Dec 1, 2004, 11:57 AM
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Guys please don't turn this into a bash thread.

pccoder said something in haste and has since said he was wrong.

I started this thread to show folks a few things:
1. That you WILL make mistakes. Newbie or old hand, you will screw up. How you react to that screw up decides if you will survive to learn the lesson, or if others will learn the lesson at your funeral.

2. I see a trend on here for people to not admit to making mistakes, or trying to hide or lie about the mistakes they made. Bill made a good post about a stupid thing he did and it got me to thinking that maybe we ALL should be honest about some of the dumb things we have done. By being honest and not hiding our mistakes others can learn from our moments of stupidity...And we all have them.

Since I have made my fair share of really bad mistakes and choices, I decided that I would go first. I wanted others to know that everyone makes mistakes and that it is ok to admit them and share them.

I would like this thread to continue since there are others that read these and think "How could that happen?".

I want two things to come of this.

I want people to be honest and admit and share when they screw up.

I want others to learn from others mistakes before they make them.

So please allow this to be a tool for absolving your stupid moments, and a place to learn.


Scrumpot  (D License)

Dec 1, 2004, 1:58 PM
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-On jump #87 in 25 mph (known) winds ...later (after take off, but known to have been "likely" to actually pick UP) to be gusting over 30, I "panic-turned" my carcass into the ground, and 5 compression fractures (L1-L5) + 4 months worth of downtime as a result. All this because I had to drive @3hrs to/from the DZ & it was a "rare" warm enough winter day (Jan 3rd) so dog-gum it I was not going to "waste" that, and I was gonna JUMP! A weather front was coming, and "we" (I convinced just enough others to make the minimum load) were gonna BEAT IT!

Lesson learned... you always have ANOTHER DAY, and there is plenty of time to jump! That is, unless you do something STUPID (like this) and take yourself OUT of it. No need to be so anxious & none of us is as indestructable as at that time I obviously felt I was.

-Always talk about looking 1st, and it is YOUR jump to either make or not... Jump #853 (enough to maybe now know better, right?). Jump run light comes on & I open the door & look out. Can tell that the plane is "crabbing" laterally from the DZ, so the uppers must have changed. We are also already aside (stradling) the DZ by @ .5 & the "push" is obviously away. Started calling to the pilot for a 10-left (like THAT would have even been enough! Tongue), but I have a full-face helmet. Right then the green light comes on (GPS based upon previously good jumprun spot), so naturally the tandemmasters begin their ritual yell ...GO, GO, GO, GO! Long story short, we went. ---1st AFF JM to come up to the door behind us looks out, closes the door & calls for a 90-left! Shocked

After a 2-mile walk-back by me & my 4-way, lesson learned here was obvious! Wink

If I can think of any more (1st-person ones obviously only ...and I'm sure I've got 'em), I'll post 'em. THANKS RON for an excellent thread.

Blue Skies,
-Grant


airtwardo  (D License)

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Back in the olden dayz...Tongue

When reserves were up front where you
could "fix 'em" if they didn't work...Sly

It was common practice to remove the bellywart
when putting out static line students...
Avoiding possible entanglement and
unplanned deployment.

NSTIW...Unsure

Last student out, reeled the dope rope
back in and

YAHOO! Cool

Bomb out the door...
only to realize midway into a back loop
that the 'other' parachute was still back up
in the aeroplane!
ShockedShockedShocked


pccoder  (A 43773)

Dec 1, 2004, 4:08 PM
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fair enough. i hope that many people learn from my mistake. at least that would be something good out of a crappy situation.


jumpwally  (D License)

Dec 1, 2004, 4:35 PM
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Don't those arrogant sky gods piss you off!! If it was me I would have grabbed the reserve handle,pulled and said "Sure,are the tools in this pouch? " Great Post ,


jumpinjackflash  (B 27757)

Dec 1, 2004, 7:13 PM
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Truly, and?

I was being a prick. I was irritated with PCCoder's comment when I read it. Though, my reaction to it was equally ignorant.

I do see the need for this thread big time. I rely on everyones experience here and the things they've learned.

As I know I'll make alot of mistakes on my own, I am trying desperately not to make all of them.

Information like this is key to that.



j


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chrisgr  (C License)

Dec 2, 2004, 5:09 AM
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Early in my skydiving career, I was approaching the landing area and noticed a friend watching from the ground. At that point, I decided to ‘swoop the beer line’.

I grabbed a riser, made an ugly turn and pounded myself into the ground. The canopy continued flying my bruised body another 50+ feet before depositing my pathetic carcass on the ground.

A couple of people who witnessed the horror were very surprised to see me get up under my own power and were even more surprised that I was able to walk back to the hanger. I was extremely lucky to have only suffered some severe bruising and road rash.

There was no plan or foresight into this turn. I did not use a conventional approach towards the beer line and I acted on an impulsive ‘need’ to show off.

Some lessons:

1) swoop for your own pleasure … not to satisfy others
2) know when you are going to swoop and have a plan
3) be aware of your outs -- throughout your turn
4) know thy altitude – throughout your turn
5) be ready, willing and able to abort your swoop or swoop plans at any time

The worst damage from this incident is that my friend has been left with the permanent image of my body pounding into the ground. Someone who cares about me – and who I care very much about –saw me almost permanently plant myself because of a foolish, impetuous mistake.

The effects of the road rash can still be seen on parts of my legs, knees and ankles today and I hope they never heal. There is nothing I can do to remove that image from my friend’s memory, but I can do a lot now to avoid another incident.

Thanks to all who continue to inform, discuss and educate through these forums.


BETO74  (D License)

Dec 2, 2004, 5:35 AM
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Same thing happened to me, with the difference that I had no intentions to swoop and the expectator was my girlfriend and other skydivers, That's how I learned that PLF really does not applied to a swooper rather just slide, anyway came out with only bruises and a hurt ego, they told me that from the spectators perspective looked like call 911 landing, I also slide 30 ft or so staining my rig to this date there are spots that remind me of that landing.


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Dec 7, 2004, 9:25 PM
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About no. 175, had a really good 4-way jump. Was all excited and amped up and decided on the spur of the moment to try a downwind landing.

Whoops. Next time I should look at the fucking windsock. It was far too windy for someone of my tender experience. A good PLF meant that I got away with some dirt on my rig and an earful from a lot of people.

Not gonna do that again in a hurry.


Cloudi  (C 35301)

Dec 9, 2004, 11:17 PM
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#75 Under canopy, focusing on the tetrahedron instead of the wind sock like I was used to. "Eat the carrot" doesn't work for those and they are just unreliable peices of sh*t! Unsure Scared many people on my final, myself included when I quickly realized that I was heading downwind (wind was probably 5-10) but I ran that unintentional downwinder out! I responded to every instructor who approached me with "I was looking at the stupid arrow" and every single one said, "ahhh, don't do that, look at the windsocks." Unimpressed
Lesson: stick to your plan or at least follow traffic if a wind indicator confuses you!

#148 Intended 4-way fell apart and turned to 2 2-ways. Lost sight of other 2 (one had recently recerted after 13 years off and was a back-sliding machine). Turned to track at planned break-off...hello! Inflated pc directly underneath me! Tracked like crazy! Video from other half of that 2-way doesn't do it justice.
Lesson: Plan your dive and dive your plan. Know where everyone on your dive is at all times. Everyone is trying to kill you.

Pre-#224 You know how you hold onto something when you're putting your legs through the leg straps? There's a good reason for that! Nothing like getting your leg caught in the strap, losing your balance, and injuring yourself before you even get in the plane. Doing it in front of a BMI you just met makes it even more special. Don't worry, his hair was not damaged in my incident. LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist! Chuck started it! Angelic
Lesson: I am the poster child for how NOT to gear up!

By the way, I'm a dork and it's a wonder that I've survived! Pirate Laugh

Conclusion: It appears that I do something idiotic about every 75 jumps, so stay away from me at #300. Tongue


Hipwrddude  (D 27820)

Dec 26, 2004, 7:20 PM
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On a 6-way, the second jump at a new dropzone, 5 of us land in the trees. The moment I was under canopy I realized the landing was doomed—no outs, even at 2.5k! Forget about seeing God, I thought I saw Jesus! Performed the fetal tree landing and was overjoyed at my success at evading the Grim Reaper or Injury duty. Lesson Learned: Get the spot, check the spot, turn the plane around if you have to!

A hundred jumps later I again land in 60’ high brush (ok, trees!@#$.) I landed right through the trees and stepped on the ground soft as could be. It was a confidence building, pride spanking moment –I got ripped on the ride back to the DZ (occurred in full view of my DZ.) Lesson Learned: When in doubt and above 1’000 feet (or higher, circumstance depending,) make that move for an alternate landing. Be aggressive, be decisive.

It’s 120 degrees out and I’m on my first jump at Eloy. Under canopy, the tetrahedron looks so much like a wind sock, I fly downwind, flare high (for the temps,) and prove to those who saw me that, “He must be a friggin’ newby.” I’m not much of a lawbreaker, but at that moment I was trying to break the laws of Physics. I think they thought I had Teret’s the way I cursed myself out. Lesson Learned: Better to find out and be cool, then screw up and look like a fool.

Although I’m Scuba qual, and was a Water Safety Survival Instructor, boy was I stupid to jump (okay, multiple jumps!@#$%) near water without a floatation device. If I had an “S” on my chest it would’ve been for STUPID!

Lastly, easy jump, I’m bleeding off altitude as I spiral down, wind in my face, what a beautiful place! Here, the wind pushed my spiraling ass right off the DZ, I’m over trees (what else is new,) power lines (hello!) and now my landing area can fit a Porsche. I guess you can call it a “bathroom landing.” Through some miracle of intense concentration (and bladder control), I micro-pulse my canopy to land, shaking like a leaf, 10’ from a house surrounded by more obstacles then Neo in “The Matrix.” After that, I think I woke up in the middle of that night and called myself a liar.


bch7773  (C License)

Dec 26, 2004, 11:38 PM
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at around 160 jumps we decided a innertube jump out of a cessna would be a good idea Crazy we used duct tape to put handles on it, of course the handles break as me and a friend are above it, it flies past us by about 3 feet maybe doing 30 mph... it woulda knocked us out cold. then one of my slip on sleeves slide off onto my pull hand, and it takes me till 2000 to get it off and pull. We are so far off from the DZ that i can't see the wind flag, so stupidly i decide to just pick a direction... turns out i choose downwind in about 20/25 mph winds. Crazy its such a terrible tumbling landing that one of the jumpers in the air thinks I must be unconcious Blush and they come back in a truck and start checking ditches for my body. luckily all i did was bruise myself up rather well and couldn't jump for a week or two.


Zenister  (A 42)

Dec 27, 2004, 12:18 AM
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3 way ff after a long dive to catch the base, my ditter went off for its first alarm (5000), then immediately started the third (1200) warning

i spooked, flipped to track and wacked the base with my foot.

as soon as i was tracking off i realized how high we actually were. Fortunately i didnt hit him very hard. Unfortunately i realized even tho i'd last seen my alti at 9000ish i reacted the sound without checking my visual (alti or ground) and so corked dangerously.


and then there was this stupid thing


Springbock  (D 11003)

Jan 10, 2005, 11:53 AM
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In reply to:
.Oh and the 750 foot Cypres altitude we've all been told about is for a "belly to earth" orientation. The Cypres will fire much higher when you are head or foot first towards the planet.

Is that correct?
I have never heard about this fact and I would be surprised if this is true, anyone who knows better?

Ups, is that a white canopy over me???


Ron

Jan 10, 2005, 12:03 PM
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In reply to:
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.Oh and the 750 foot Cypres altitude we've all been told about is for a "belly to earth" orientation. The Cypres will fire much higher when you are head or foot first towards the planet.

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Is that correct?
I have never heard about this fact and I would be surprised if this is true, anyone who knows better?

I think that is not 100 true. An AAD will fire higher than it should if you rotate from belly to earth to head down, or feet first (think standing up due ot deployment) due to the change in air pressure. If you are head down from two grand it should fire at the same altitude.

Some think that they fire lower if you are head down...Kinda. You are moving much faster, so it will try and fire at the same time, but your increased airspeed will cause the opening to be lower than plan.


Jurzak  (D 24366)

Jan 17, 2005, 8:53 AM
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That seems to happen around 250 jumps! Mine was out of Mullins' down in coolidge. Ever sit up front with a tandem right behind you in copilot? Couldn't even reach around to my backside. (I tried!). Three way head down with Capistrant and Matt (Skydemon) broke off at 4 and one, two tries and my second reserve ride! Well 49 jumps in five days was still a good vacation!Wink


mjrod  (B 27962)

Jan 18, 2005, 10:17 PM
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HALO jump 28, night jump in the PI with combat equipment and O2 from 25K, I lost altitude awareness under canopy, Checked my alti around 1K, thought I was flying through low clouds, then thump, crash, can't breath.
The low clouds were light fog on the ground...ouch/ Knocked the air out of me, and cracked my O2 mask. Luckily, I was flying at half brakes, and my ruck-sack hit the ground which kind of told me something is happening real fast. Lesson learned...always maintain altitude awareness.


Ron

Aug 9, 2005, 9:46 AM
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bump


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Aug 9, 2005, 9:52 AM
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Another similar thread.

Repetition is good sometimes.

Wendy W.


Mikki_ZH  (Student)

Aug 9, 2005, 1:17 PM
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On jump 375 I wanted to do a 180 front riser approach.
I looked if nobody is in the way and reached for my loops.
I missed the left one and had to find it. I lost about 3 to 4 seconds, and pulled the front riser down. During this few seconds I did not observe the landing area another canopy also hooked in. I found myself about 20 feet behind and around 10 feet above the other canopy.
Fortunately everything went well.
Lesson learned:
Always check your air space immediately before doing a HP
landing.


skydivermom  (C 36927)

Aug 9, 2005, 4:25 PM
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I asked him if he wanted me to pack for him again with an evil smile



LaughYOU ROCK!


skydivermom  (C 36927)

Aug 9, 2005, 4:30 PM
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New plan...I don't like what I see and its GONE.
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That is one of the best things you can impart to a student! That is going in my skydiving notes for sure, Thank You!


skydivermom  (C 36927)

Aug 9, 2005, 4:36 PM
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Okay, it's only fair if I'm going to reply to some of the posts that I also come forward with my recent mistake. Obviously my jump numbers are very low as I am a student. I've had several experienced jumpers tell me to make my mistakes now! Of course I would rather not make them at all but that is not realistic.

Anyway, last Saturday I did my second SL jump. Left the plane with an awesome arch and had a great canopy flight. My landing was good too until my brain shut off. I had already made my final turn and was landing into the wind. The next thing I know I'm making another left LOW turn. As soon as I did it I was yelling at myself inside my head. I flared on time and did a sliding landing. Stood up and was not hurt, so just waited for my instructor to come over and let me have it!

I will certainly not do that again!Blush


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Jun 14, 2006, 10:29 PM
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In reply to:
I started this thread to show folks a few things:
1. That you WILL make mistakes. Newbie or old hand, you will screw up. How you react to that screw up decides if you will survive to learn the lesson, or if others will learn the lesson at your funeral.

2. I see a trend on here for people to not admit to making mistakes, or trying to hide or lie about the mistakes they made. Bill made a good post about a stupid thing he did and it got me to thinking that maybe we ALL should be honest about some of the dumb things we have done. By being honest and not hiding our mistakes others can learn from our moments of stupidity...And we all have them.

Since I have made my fair share of really bad mistakes and choices, I decided that I would go first. I wanted others to know that everyone makes mistakes and that it is ok to admit them and share them.

I would like this thread to continue since there are others that read these and think "How could that happen?".

I want two things to come of this.

I want people to be honest and admit and share when they screw up.

I want others to learn from others mistakes before they make them.

So please allow this to be a tool for absolving your stupid moments, and a place to learn.

Worth repeating (emphasis added is mine). And worth bumping. Smile


(This post was edited by NWFlyer on Jun 14, 2006, 10:49 PM)


Premier Tonto  (D 515)
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Jun 15, 2006, 12:22 AM
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Good thread....

1. About jump 20, repeating full series cos the last one was too slow.. Decieded to go faster by cutting out the "unnessesary" things, like alti checks. Opened at 700 ft - years before the cypres was introduced or AAD's were used on student gear - completely unaware of my altitude.

2. Jump 159, swoop landing number 3. After succesful 90 degree and 180 degree toggle spanks, I had "slowly" worked my way up to a 270. I hammered in and smashed my left femur.Pirate

3. About 600 jumps. Asked for a run in of 65 kts from a Jet Ranger on a demo jump into a University. On run in, saw we were moving BACKWARDS. Asked the pilot if we were doing 65 KTS and he confirmed. I said "Faster" and exited anyway...Crazy

4. Around 1000 jumps. Joined "The magic 1" (A lunatic fringe group inspired by the low pull competitions of the past and required a terminal main deployment below 1000ft.) I lived. Yay.Unimpressed

5. Kicked a pilot with about 60 hrs and no instrument rating out of bed in really bad weather to fly. Called him a pussy till his ego got us off the ground. Spent about 5000ft stuck to the roof watching the airspeed indicator way past VNE and the VSI against the stop as the alti undialed. Got out at under 2000ft when he managed to recover. (The spot sucked)

I've probably done another 30 - 50 things at least as stupid as these.
Others have died doing everything right. This sport really isn't very fair at all, but luck does count.

t


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wildfan75  (D 29536)

Jun 15, 2006, 6:55 AM
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Jump #6--I didn't quite make it to the arch position after pulling my RC, hands went down the front of my body on the hard opening and my thumb caught my reserve handle. 2 out, cutaway and I was so nervous about just getting to the ground I ended up landing with the wind, which I didn't know until the next weekend when someone mentioned it to me. Luckily I walked away with not even a scratch.


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Jun 15, 2006, 8:29 AM
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was rather high on a bigger way and went to a partial sit to lose altitude - went about 10 feet low. Not a good idea and got way too close to the formation building, even though I got up and into the slot - learned from it and now do different techniques to get down, need to be fast, but still predictable

worst ever - carved into a high speed landing on an off airport landing - in a tight area, at an unfamiliar DZ, on a fairly new downsized canopy - ended up with really bad bruised hip form the second impact on that landing. Lucky I didn't break the hip bone. When in other parts of the country or any place not familiar, you'd be surprised how much crap and little rocks and stuff is hidden in taller grass Unsure

first reserve ride was on a round on a windy day - uneventful, but why jump in weather that EITHER of your canopies can handle

I've been lucky, especially on the 2nd one above


waltappel

Jun 15, 2006, 9:17 AM
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I won't go into the low openings except to say that I have had at least two where I was in the saddle under my main at 700 ft. Both were from terminal.

Probably the most dumbass thing I have done was on a solo jump where I was working on my track. Rather than tracking back and forth on a path perpendicular to the jump run I tracked for the DZ and tracked right past someone from a previous group who was opening. The thought that I could have hurt or skilled someone by doing that really scared the piss out of me. I'll never do it again.

edited to add:
Another good one was years ago when I was trying to impress a girl I had brought to the DZ. I went into a hard toggle spiral directly above the landing area. I held it until I was scared out of my wits and then held it another 360. I had to start flaring as soon as I came out of it.

I barely cleared an above-ground fuel tank and landed between a building and the a student mockup, just short of some other obstacle.

Everyone saw it and I was really glad they did because I knew it would be the first and last time I would do that.

The girl was not the least bit impressed. She figured I did that kind of thing all the time.LaughLaugh

Walt


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popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jun 15, 2006, 9:22 AM
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Low pull screwing around thinking "just a little lower this time"
In the saddle under 800.
Cypres fire, 2-out...landed biplane unhurt.

Bitch-slapped myself silly (nobady could have been any harder on me than I was on myself) and will not do that again.


Tonto, please do NOT add my name to the magic 1 group.

Unsure


Thijs  (C License)

Jun 15, 2006, 9:36 AM
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Jump 1: Landed WAY to close to the hangar of the dropzone, luckly everything went well with a nice butslide Wink

Jump 3: downwind landing. Overshot the place where I wanted to land. Fell over on landing and hit a concrete fence. Result was a weekend at the hospital instead of a weekend at the dropzone.

Jump 5: Backsommersault with a static line. Not on purpose, but yeah, not very safe.

Jump 10: Another downwind landing (I checked the winddirection just before we got in the plane, but it changed while climbing to altitude).
The smart thing I did on that jump was not to try to land on my feet, because that would have been double femur. Made one hell of a move to keep my bones intact, to bad no one filmed it.

Jump 12 (First freefall after 11 staticline jumps): Jumped of unstable, went on my back and pulled the cord. Nothing came out, so I threw away the cord to grab my handels (and I was still on my back). All the sudden I see the main-canopy deploying between my legs, lucky no entanglement.

Jump 21 and 25: Tracking parallel to the line of dropping. Not smart. Nothing happend but it was definatly not smart.

Jump 22: trying double backflip at 6000ft. Didn't work out well, think I went stable again at 4500ft (pulling at 4000ft). Scared me a lot (because at first I didn't get stable again) so I don't do any complex things anymore 2000ft before pulltime.

Jump 26: Clouds from 13000ft until 5000ft due to a sudden weather change. Zero visiblity. Looking back I should have stayed in the plane, couldn't do anything on that jump and had an extra packjob to do.

On multiple jumps not waving off before pulling

I'm lucky and happy to be here... Smile


Hawkins121  (A 48520)

Jun 15, 2006, 10:03 AM
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Did something really really stupid last sunday..
Sunset load.. 9 way speed star... Went low... started tracking at 4500.. Pulled early around 4k... As the canopy opened i saw 3-4 bodies dive bomb past me...

Godamn that was stupid.. I got on the ground expecting everyone to kick my ass. I wouldnt have even fought back...
Everyone was cool about it though... I wanted to shove that pilot chute back in right after I pulled it out. I need to stick to 4 ways or below and pay more attention to where everyone is at pull time.


AFFI  (D 25538)

Jun 15, 2006, 10:07 AM
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Walt, you must have a lot of stories for this string! I know I do, you remember how reckless I used to be?!?!?

Early on, when I went through the "I got is all figured out" stage is when I made an abundance of stupid calls - that is why it is sometimes difficult to tell a newbie to not do something stupid because chances are I did the same thing which more times that not resulted in a "close call" and I had a lot of fun doing it.

Certainly there are stupid things yet to come on the horizon, but probably the stupidest thing I ever did in skydiving was not listen to those with more experience than I when they were warning me about all the stupid things I was doing.


waltappel

Jun 15, 2006, 10:17 AM
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In reply to:
Walt, you must have a lot of stories for this string! I know I do, you remember how reckless I used to be?!?!?

Honestly, I used to think your death from a skydiving-related accident was only a matter of time. You've really turned it around and I admire you for that.

I remember one time you had some sort of close call at SSM and IIRC you had well under a hundred jumps at the time. What I noticed most when you were talking about it was the look in your eyes. You never said it, but I could clearly see that you had enjoyed the rush. You had loved the intensity of it. That's a trap that is pretty easy to get sucked into and you were right in the middle of it.

That was a long time ago, though, and you're way different now. I've developed a great deal of respect for you and your views from reading your posts and I know that you really mean every word of it.

Way to do it, my friend!Smile

Walt


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Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jun 15, 2006, 10:26 AM
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>Early on, when I went through the "I got is all figured out" stage is
>when I made an abundance of stupid calls. . .

Yep. When I got to about 200-300 jumps I finally realized that I knew everything about skydiving, and that I was now super safe because I knew so much. (Come to think of it, most of my skydiving injuries happened around that time.) Took another few hundred jumps to realize how little I knew.


Jumpah  (D License)

Jun 15, 2006, 10:26 AM
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I've resisted posting this...but its appropriate here in the S&T forum:

Jump 45: Landed in a forest about 60 feet off the ground on a rather comfy branch. I came into the top of the tree onto one of the topmost branches and grabbed the trunk with my left arm and disconected my main with my right (RSL was disconected at 500 feet).

I didn't check the spot from the plane (the guy ahead of me did, and while it was appropriate for HIM (many thousands of jumps and a HP canopy) it wasn't for me. The winds were at 10-15 on the ground but rising...so much so that under canopy at 500 feet I was going backwards. I was downwind of the DZ under canopy despite tracking back to the DZ for most of the 15 secs of freefall (6,500 H&P). Many on that load landed off and one other in a tree.

Lessons learned:
1) Check your own damn spot. If you don't like, step back
2) if a friend on the ground says "good luck in these winds", consider stepping off the load
3) a keg goes a long way to obtain complete forgiveness from the 20+ people who helped belay your sorry ass out of the tree (or who just hung around cracking jokes and making fun of said ass)
4) Don't fear landing out...this was a mental hang-up...I kind of couldn't believe this would be my first out-landing so I was busting my ass to get back while using up precious altitude. I have since gone for walks around two of the outs to get a feel for what the land is.
5) What is right for others is not necessarily right for you.

No injuries...very lucky!
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I have since gone for walks around two of the outs to get a feel for what the land is.

Awesome idea! It's one thing to look at the aerial photo and think "that looks clear," it's entirely another to actually walk through it.


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Tonto, please do NOT add my name to the magic 1 group.
Unsure

I can't.. The small print was on jump number 2 you need to be the "guide" for the next person in and dump AFTER them.

Don't choose a newbie who waves off first...Shocked

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beowulf  (C License)

Jun 15, 2006, 11:19 AM
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around jump number 150 I got fixated on making it back and ended up being too low to turn so I landed down wind while watching swoopers have to abort their swoops due to me landing down wind in front of them! I sat on the ground for a couple of hours really thinking hard about that one.

around jump number 500 did a 4 way sunset jump that turned out to be a night jump. Looking down at the lights of a city at night that I am not familar with and trying to decide where to land was pretty scary. There were numerous other mistakes made in this jump that I am embarassed to even think about. But I didn't get killed or even hurt, that was mostly luck. I happened to choose the right blacked out area to land in. It was a somewhat educated guess, I was sure there was clear land in front of the High School that I had driven past on the way to the dropzone. Turned out to be a soccer field.


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Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Jun 15, 2006, 11:38 AM
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Oh, and since I bumped this, I certainly have stuff to contribute, most of which has already been discussed here... I'm not shy about admitting I fuckup.

I'm going to leave out all the stuff I did before I got my A license, but suffice it to say I was the student from hell.

Jump 60ish: Visited a new dropzone, waivered, and got on a 10 minute call on a new aircraft type without even doing a dropzone briefing. Fortunately, it was a dropzone with a huge, easy-to-locate landing area and it all ended fine but still ... getting the lay of the land before getting in the plane is always a better idea.

Jump 65ish: Packed, jumped, and landed a step-through.

Jump 160ish: Passed out under canopy due to position in the harness on a high hop & pop. Didn't even occur to me to move/loosen the damn leg straps. Bottom line: no injuries, just doctor's bills to have it all checked out to make sure there was nothing wrong.

Jump 215ish: took a slight downwind landing (oops, you mean that tetrahedron was fixed?Crazy) after the sunset load at Eloy, ended up overshooting the landing area and taking out a small tree (the rumor that I hit the fence to Larry Hill's house is just that, a nasty rumor). That one was compounded by the fact that I had taken bad advice about shortening my brake lines and had a canopy I couldn't adequately control on landing. Had I researched it myself I would have known that was not a solution. Bottom line: two weeks of side effects from a nasty concussion.

Jump 234: Packing error and EP errors. Recently discussed so I won't go into that here. Bottom line: no injuries, but the resulting gear replacement/repair cost me almost $900. Crazy


moonglo  (C 34134)

Jun 15, 2006, 12:31 PM
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Great thread! We were just discussing our stupid but lucky things at the DZ this past weekend after a freefall collision (both guys are ok) on a Tandem SCR 9way....

Stupid shit I've done:BlushBlushBlush

Jump 30 - first trip to a new DZ, new rental gear, new A license....The wind pushed me back after opening to where I had to land off, lucky there was a nice big rectangular field under me. I'd always been told "no low turns" and "land into the wind" so I did, the short way in the field. Got below the tree line, my canopy surged, and I swooped/ran into a tree to avoid the barbed wire fence.Pirate Ended with a broken face and a trip to the ER, missed my last week of work, no jumping for a month+. **A crosswind landing would have given me a much longer landing area.

70-ish jumps I saw I wasn't going make it past the big pond and cranked a toggle at less than 50'. My canopy snagged a tree and saved my life, then let go as I swung out under it. Ended up just chipping my fullface helmet a little in front. **A flat turn or a pond landing would have been a much better choice.

Jump 221 - first cutaway. I packed in a hurry to make the load.Unsure Fast spinning mal, cutaway around 2.5k, no reserve handle!Shocked My d-ring had fallen out of the velcro and was trapped behind my back under my rig. I managed to pull the cable at about 800' all the while chanting "my cypres will fire at 750', my cypres will fire..." Landed, my cypres was not turned on!! **Don't rush to make the load, maintain all velcro, get a gear check, remember to turn on the AAD!

350-ish jumps, wingsuit jump 37 - I depolyed with line twists and undid my arm zippers to help get me out of them. I didn't know at the time that my left side main lift web was starting to fail and I was leaning in the harness, so for every twist i kicked out of it twisted right back up. Cutaway at just under 2K and one of my unzipped armwings inflated and made me barrell roll. At this point I got smart and deployed my reserve on my back, leaving line burns on my right arm wing. I spent too much time getting the rest of the way out of my wingsuit and didn't do any practice flares. I flared too hard (no wind) and bowtied my reserve, my head hit the ground the same time as my heels Pirate **Don't unzip a wingsuit until you have a good canopy, cutaway the wings if need be so you maintain control over them in the event of a cutaway. Practice with a new canopy if altitude allows! I now plan to PLF every reserve ride with a 1/2 flare (unless wind conditions allow me to stand it up like my third one).

600+ jumps - My friend and I were doing RW with our friend on his first tandem (my skydiver friend's first time jumping with a tandem). Weather was moving in, green light was turned on at 11k (normally 13k+) and there was a cloud layer under us. The tandem had an unstable exit and flipped a few times before getting the drogue out. We dove but didn't get there before they disappeared in the cloud. We came out of it at 6K+ in the cone of death as the TM was reaching to pull. Camera guy saw us and waved for us to get outa there. Saw the tandem canopy go up about 20' away between my legs as we were tracking for our lives. ** I should have stayed in the plane since I couldn't see the ground, never get above a deploying tandem or anywhere in the "cone of death"!

I'm sure I've done many other stupid things, and I know I got really lucky surviving some of these. These are just the ones that stick out in my mind as being obviously stupid on my part and reminded me of the safety rules I overlooked at the time.


goose491  (A 7123)

Jun 15, 2006, 12:49 PM
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My first night jump ever.....a land boat storage yard. ...Stood up my landing with my nose inches from the barbed wire fencing. canopy went over the fence. Had to climb the fence get the canopy back over as it was the only way out. Found out an hr later that there is usually a guard dog in that storage lot!
Shocked

HA-HAAAA!

Jen! I remember that! I landed out that night too... but not nearly as far as the marina. Tongue

I got out, did my freefall thing and deployed. I remember shouting a couple times to make sure there was not invisible traffic. Then hearing someone shout back. I had this eerie feeling that I was about to have a head-on with another canopy.

6th sense-style. I grabbed a front riser and did one full diving 360. Looking upwards thereafter, sure enough, I saw the silhouette of another canopy whiz by overhead in the other direction.

WHOA!!! That was close... now, if he was going that way... and I'm going this way... urm... where is the DZ?

Yup, I had lost track. Looked ahead and all around. Turned myself around in the harness (so as not to waste more altitude in a turn until I had my bearings) and looked directly behind me. Did you all catch what I missed?

..directly below me. Unsure

Of course, it was far too late by the time I figure it out. Landed three fields away. I remember thinking I was going to bust a leg because the "texture" of the field, I could hardly determine.

Started walking back and was picked up by an old couple in a mini van. I must have looked pretty weird walking down the road in the middle of the night, goggles and helmet, floppy jumpsuit, covered in broken glowstick juice, canopy slung over the shoulder.

"Are you heading to that Skydive place?" they asked.

"There's a skydive place around here??" I answered. Laugh


MB38  (A 48618)

Jun 15, 2006, 10:37 PM
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Jump 17: Was trying to get "braked approach" signed off for my A card. Meant to stay in half brakes until about 50 feet to allow the canopy to slow its surge before landing. Let up at about 20 feet, panic flared just before impact and PLF/slid it out. Deserved a broken ankle, got damaged pride.

Jump ~30: two-way RW jump with somebody of a drastically different fall-rate. Couldn't keep up with him, decided a sit would be a good option at the time. Matched him just as we entered clouds at 6,000. Got flat, turned to what I felt like was 180 degrees and tracked until I came out of the clouds at about 3,800 [probably tracked in a circle or in the same direction as him]. Looked all over the place for him, waved off and pulled at 3,500. Found myself uncomfortably close, heading right for him. We both risered right and ended up clear, talked about it on the ground. Learned a handful of lessons that day.


borgy  (C 99999999)

Jun 15, 2006, 10:42 PM
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On jump 60 something I exited the plane doing a two way, and felt my helmet strap slap me in the mouth. I reached up just in time to grab the helmet by the strap (I have no idea how) and have it beat the crap out of my hand for a few thousand feet while I struggled to put it back on my head. I was lucky I caught the helmet and it didn't take out the other person who was above me on the two way, I had a very bruised hand and a hard reminder to check ALL my gear before exiting.


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Jun 15, 2006, 10:43 PM
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Jump 17: Was trying to get "braked approach" signed off for my A card. Meant to stay in half brakes until about 50 feet to allow the canopy to slow its surge before landing. Let up at about 20 feet, panic flared just before impact and PLF/slid it out. Deserved a broken ankle, got damaged pride.
Lucky you. I got a broken ankle that way. #87


Yossarian  (C 105227)

Jun 16, 2006, 11:16 AM
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#19, 15sec delay (raps jump, big canopy), came in for landing, lost sight of the arrow, had a bit of a brain-fry moment, ended up taking a crosswinder in 12kt winds on the runway in front of a taxiing aircraft, ripped the dz's jumpsuit from ankle to hip, ripped my leg up (flesh wounds only), canopy completely immersed in massive puddle, completely wrapped myself up in the lines on the 2nd bounce and made it worse trying to get out the way of the plane, grounded for 2 weeks :)


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bch7773  (C License)

Jun 16, 2006, 12:31 PM
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I get done JMing a load of students I just taught the first jump class to. I come in for a 90 turn landing and see one of the other instructors holding out his hand for a high-five landing. I decide this will impress my students, and I wait longer before I pull off the turn. I end up about 3 feet too low, smack the ground hard, leave a rut, bounce back up, flew about 40 feet forward and hit again (luckily in the peas this time). My students are shitting their pants and the experienced jumpers are running out to me, yelling for me to stay still. I remember thinking after I bounced that I must have just femured in.

End result: A bruised and battered body and a LOT of bruised pride. I was very very lucky I could walk away from that. And all because I wanted to look cool on landing. Unsure


dorbie

Jun 16, 2006, 4:06 PM
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Wasn't ready to PLF on a jump when my canopy stalled & collapsed in wind shear on final.

Probably cost me an ankle tib/fib. Pirate


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 16, 2006, 8:27 PM
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Probably cost me an ankle tib/fib

Probably, how do probably ...... an ankle tib/fib?Smile


georgerussia  (C 35731)

Jun 16, 2006, 9:14 PM
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On #21 thought I was ready to pack without supervision, and jump my own packjob. Twisted risers followed by cutaway, lost reserve ripcord and freebag. Understood the purpose of line check.

On #35 went to jump with not cocked pilot chute even though I remembered I did cock it before repack. When asked for gear check, the kill line was found white (it is very light green when it is cocked, so it still was not clear), but there was a good chance it was uncocked . So we pulled it out, and checked - it was not cocked. Off the load, went back, unpacked it, and followed an advice of experienced jumper to color the kill line (so now there is no white, only green and red, and everything is clear). Now I check PC four times during repack.


dorbie

Jun 18, 2006, 11:54 PM
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Probably cost me an ankle tib/fib

Probably, how do probably ...... an ankle tib/fib?Smile

Can't be 100% on the alternate outcome, it was a quite a fall and although I didn't PLF the impact wasn't terribly distributed, in fact it was mostly on my knees/femurs I thought at the time, and they weren't injured. It was only after I tried to move that I realized my ankle was broken. I'm almost certain it would have been a better outcome, but you never know. Good boots would probably have helped on that one too.

Another factor was not bisecting the angle between the two switching windsock directions, so I suppose that gets into the other mistake on that jump.

Not staying on the ground with the indicated wind conditions (not paying enough attention to the wind making the decision) would have been the first.

So I suppose there's a chain of errors on that jump, but we've all probably made most of them at some point or other and walked away unscathed. Live & learn.


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Thijs  (C License)

Jun 19, 2006, 11:37 AM
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Jump 33 last saturday. Excercices in the air went very good, but the landing was, well, far from very good.
There was zero wind that day. I was going to try to land a bit accurate, close to the cirkel in the grass. I had done this on the 4 previous jumps two week earlier and it went pretty well. Big difference was that there was a lot more wind that day.
I come in for landing and at a certain point I realise it is going to be difficult to hit the target in a safe way (I found I was too low to do more stearing toward the target). I decide to continu flying in the direction we were supposed to land in.
Some time later I start to realise that I might overshoot the landing area. At that time I also hear our plane on the runway or taxiway or in the air comming back. At about 200ft I'm starting to get realy concerned about overshooting the landing area and because our plane was on the runway I didn't want to cross it. I decided to start flaring, hoping that this would slow me down enough. (This is a picture of the landing area of our dropzone http://users.skynet.be/...oorsele_dropzone.jpg
I was flying toward the bottom of the picture).
After couple of seconds I realise that the flare will stop me from flying over the landing area. I continue flaring, and performed a PLF on landing. Rolled in the grass and walked away without a scratch (and a bit dirty rig).

Lesson learned: be more concerned about landing the parachute in the first place and be less concerned about hitting a target.
Altough I had just better landed without trying to hit the target there were some smart things I did (I think anyway Wink)
-Decided to stop trying to get to the target when I saw it was going to be difficult to hit it in a safe way.
-Not crossing the runway at low altitude when you hear/see a plane nearby
-Not doing any low turns
-Once begin flaring, continuing flare untill you are on the ground
-Performing a plf when necessary.

Other lesson learned: this was my first PLF that was a 'neccesary one'. It might be good idea to do once and a while a plf, even if it is not really neccesary, so you know you are capable of doing one when it is really neccesary. People will laugh with this, but it might safe my femur some day...


shaiziel

Jun 19, 2006, 1:43 PM
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People will laugh with this, but it might safe my femur some day...

Gotta love evaluating how much pride it's worth to increase your skill in not breaking yourself.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jun 19, 2006, 3:42 PM
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...Other lesson learned: this was my first PLF that was a 'neccesary one'. It might be good idea to do once and a while a plf, even if it is not really neccesary, so you know you are capable of doing one when it is really neccesary. People will laugh with this, but it might safe my femur some day...

I won't comment on the approach story but this part I will.

You are spot on about doing PLFs....those that would laugh at you are sorry motherfuckers and should be kicked in the ass....HARD.

(sorry for the rant)


divegoddess  (C 32724)

Jun 19, 2006, 3:56 PM
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Dude!Shocked You're landing area is friggin huge!!!


Thijs  (C License)

Jun 20, 2006, 12:39 AM
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Dude!Shocked You're landing area is friggin huge!!!
Yes indeed, and we have a field that is equaly large on the opposite side of the runway Wink
It is just that everyone wants to land in the space between the hangar, the cirkel, runway and street.


dorbie

Jun 22, 2006, 3:35 PM
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I tracked right back up jump run just after completing my AFF jumps.

I even thought it was pretty cool watching a 4-way zip pastLaugh, and I suppose it was.

I soon learned that this was not the best way to end a skydive.


darkwing  (D 4164)

Jun 25, 2006, 12:36 AM
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Held a 9-way to 1800 ft waiting for #10 to get in. I got open about 800 ft as I recall. Long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away). Actually in Idaho, in 1974.


simulacra  (Student)

Jun 25, 2006, 6:27 AM
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Suffering a dislocated kneecap and a fractured fibula when trying not to pay for riding the subway :)


waltappel

Jun 25, 2006, 9:26 AM
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Held a 9-way to 1800 ft waiting for #10 to get in. I got open about 800 ft as I recall. Long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away). Actually in Idaho, in 1974.

Well, did #10 get in?

Walt


kenneth21441  (B License)

Jun 25, 2006, 3:44 PM
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it is great to be humble when one does stupid things.

if we are to do stupid things it takes a tuff live technige.

I know that from my every jump.... LOL

from birth to now...

Wink


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Jun 25, 2006, 5:20 PM
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Borrowed a rig. Opened the container to shorten the main closing loop before jumping it. Dithered about repacking it completely. Left it for a while. Closed it without repacking it. Jumped it. One riser was twisted through the other. Nearly chopped it.

My fault? The rig owner's fault? Dunno.


darkwing  (D 4164)

Jun 26, 2006, 5:59 AM
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Held a 9-way to 1800 ft waiting for #10 to get in. I got open about 800 ft as I recall. Long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away). Actually in Idaho, in 1974.

Well, did #10 get in?

Walt

I believe he did--Herbie was reliable as long as he had his morning beer.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Jun 26, 2006, 7:21 AM
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Was in a night women's way (probably 7 of us) still at 2400, waiting for the 8th to make it in and make it official.

No, she didn't make it in. Fortunately, none of us went in.

Wendy W.


Jill_UK  (B 104945)

Jun 26, 2006, 3:06 PM
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*braces for "perhaps you should take up bowling" Posts*

well there was that time i broke my pelvis in 7 places in an accuracy competition, or the time i crashed into a tree (twice), or that time i hit a concrete wall, or the time i got grounded for not flaring on my entire AFF course, or the time i did a downwinder in 30 knot winds, you get the idea Blush

oh well, i've made it to 300 jumps somehow hehe...


nerd137  (B 99999)

Jul 3, 2006, 5:15 PM
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The local skygod comes walking by me sitting in the packing area and throws his rig at me and says "New fuck, pack this".

That shit actually happens? Crazy


caspar  (A 105169)

Sep 4, 2006, 2:32 AM
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well i thought id add one of my own stories... one where when i landed all i kept thinking was.. IM A FUCKING DUMBASS.

empuria this august, wasnt jumping as much as i wanted because of the weather and the clouds had been rolling in during the day. the cloud base was at roughly 5,500 ft (im comfortable with that). got in the blue porter (which doesnt have GPS as far as i know) with 2 friends - the plan being doing a 3 way way sit, exiting with 2 hanging on the strut and the third jumping out.

well on the climb to altitude everyone was looking at eachother nervously, apart from a thin layer at i think around 8,000 it was solid cloud up to 13,000ft (the pilot had to go higher than the 12500 standard just to get above the cloud.

the pilot then said, "err, i think this is the right place". i look at the guys nervously and everyone in the plane and think, fuck it, it'll be fine. hanging on the strut with daryl he lets go first, he disappears after about 3 seconds - completely lost. im in sit trying to stay nice and stable worrying about ifan who jumped out straight after me. we were miles apart at pull time (half way through the jump i saw daryl in the thin layer of no cloud, a spec miles away - i dont backslide in sit (anymore) but i think i was because i was looking my legs trying to stay super stable because of ifan above me) and the guys said that the other people on the plane pulled very close to them.

to cut a long story short, if we'd jumped out a bit earlier we wouldve of been very close to the sea and not knowing where you are or where anyone else is is damn unnerving to say the least.

already learnt my lessons from that jump.


grue  (D License)

Sep 4, 2006, 1:54 PM
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On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being immensely stupid, this is fairly low, around a 2-3, because I actually put a little thought into it, but nonetheless...

Eloy Holiday Boogie 2005:

One of the last days of the boogie, one of the first days with any wind. Just completed a jump with monkeycndo and skysprite, opened a few hundred feet lower than them and had the highest wingload of the first group of the load, so I expected to set the pattern. I went for the E-W main landing area with a wind out of the north, setting up for a cross wind landing from the east. As I set up on my final, I saw somebody on a pocket rocket spiral down to the other side of the main landing area and get ready to land from the west, thereby coming right at me!

Well, I only had about 80-odd jumps at the time, and I knew the legend of Burke™, so I decided I didn't want to land the opposite direction, even if I technically was on my final approach before that guy. I had a choice: Break right and land upwind, into the dirt, or break left, and land downwind into the grass. I was, again, at about 80-odd jumps, loaded at a 1.25 with about 30ish jumps on the canopy, and somehow came to the conclusion that the grass seemed more appealing.

Wow, that seemed like a fast landing. Stood up the landing (with grass stains on the soles of my shoes..), just in time to look and see everyone else from the load coming my way under canopy. Seems they'd all set up for an upwind landing, like smart people do.

Fortunately I was far enough ahead of them timewise so they really "reset the pattern", I was on the ground for the better part of a minute before they touched down, but I still felt like a shithead. Monkeycndo was worried that I was going to crash land, too, knowing it was a downwind on an aggressive canopy load for my jump numbers.

The worst part is that afterwards, someone told me in a situation like that, I could have just continued my landing in the main area as long as I wasn't actually lined up for a head-on collision Unimpressed


(This post was edited by grue on Sep 4, 2006, 2:50 PM)


Joellercoaster  (D 105792)

Sep 5, 2006, 7:39 AM
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the time i crashed into a tree (twice)

The first time I read this sentence, I thought, "how did she hit the tree twice in one go?"

Never mind, I get there in the end.

Was it the same tree?


Ron

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Bump...Cause of of this shits funny.


jeremy556  (A 49542)

Sep 7, 2006, 6:47 AM
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Is this the first person video of the accuracy crash on skydivingmovies?


Ron

Sep 24, 2006, 8:15 PM
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Got a new one. This one is about how easy it is to screw up and how complacency can get you.

OK, Tandem jump (Strong). A lady brings her best friend to do a tandem, I get the best friend.

I move towards the door and as soon as I get out, I toss the drouge....Bamm! I have the main out. WTF?!?!?!? The drouge acted like a pilot chute and there I am with my tandem passenger at 12K.

As the main opens, I automaticly reached for handles ,but didn't pull any since nothing was wrong....Well nothing other than sitting under canopy at 12k.

I check the canopy, then start to wonder what the heck happend. I look and both my handles are in place.

It seems that during my preflight I missed the double loop being misrouted. It did not go through the small ring of the three ring.

For those that understand, you know what I am talking about. TI's that jump Strong that don't get it, please ask you local friendly rigger. Those that don't understand, just understand that *I screwed up*. I didn't pack it, but I didn't catch it in my preflight.

I could give a reason why I screwed up, I got distracted by a question from the Passengers family. But the real truth is "I just screwed up." My fault, no one else's. Nobody got hurt, but a lesson all the same.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Sep 25, 2006, 4:45 AM
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How did the passenger fair with the long canopy ride?
Did her legs go numb or did you spend a bit of time getting really comfy?

Thanks for the post Ron, honesty is hard to use when Pride and Ego are such strong emotions, there is a country song on this I think.

All is well and thats what counts when learning a lesson.

Matt


brabzzz  (C 103268)

Sep 25, 2006, 6:05 AM
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The local skygod comes walking by me sitting in the packing area and throws his rig at me and says "New fuck, pack this".

That shit actually happens? Crazy

I was gonna say 'i hope you left the slider collapsed/packed slider down or left a toggle loose'. Looking back through the thread, it turns out you did - even if accidentally! Cool Awesome.

Bad attitude just f**ks me off at the DZ. If you're not gonna be friendly, pack-up'n'pi**-off. Smile

Might as well contribute to the thread. I've hooked my base canopy up backwards. Thankfully that was on a skydiving rig for a hop-n-pop and it was noticed before the jump. Could have been more of an issue under different circumstances!

Don't get distracted when gearing stuff and treble check everything.


Ron

Sep 25, 2006, 8:22 AM
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How did the passenger fair with the long canopy ride?
Did her legs go numb or did you spend a bit of time getting really comfy?

Great question. She was very skittish even before the jump. I asked her several times if she wanted to do this, and she said yes, but you know the type.

After the canopy opened and I did a bunch of gear checks, and self checks to make sure that the early canopy was the only thing that was going to happen, I made several adjustments to the harness for her. Her legs went a little numb, but not bad. Also her stomache was upset and we could do nothing but straight flight. So any turns I had to do I had to make them really slow and distract her with conversation.

I did not want to worry her and risk a panic attack, so I told her that we opened a bit higher than normal, but that everything was fine. Once on the ground I told her the whole story.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Sep 25, 2006, 9:22 AM
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Wow, well at least she got the full nickle of the nickle tourWink.

Matt


Reginald  (D 28162)

Sep 25, 2006, 3:20 PM
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As the main opens, I automaticly reached for handles ,but didn't pull any since nothing was wrong....Well nothing other than sitting under canopy at 12k.

Well you did get a BIG round of applause when you finally hit the ground!


jerry81

Sep 25, 2006, 4:40 PM
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Here's one I'm not really happy about:
attached is a picture of me in freefall. Not the guy in center frame- I'm the little white blob in the lower left corner.
This was the sunset load yesterday and we were really pushing it- the plane needs to be on the ground before the official sunset and it seemed so tight we weren't even sure if there would be time for a go-around if needed. Full load, lot of groups and the loadmaster (with whom I was jumping) tells the people "3 seconds". I guess this wasn't so bad, coupled with a fast plane and the fact that most people just took the order as "don't take too long in the door".

However, him and me were third out, after two flat 2-ways that had about 5 seconds between them. Our plan was an over-under impro freefly jump and the last time we did it, I pulled a 'sudden exit' on him, which is a fun way to make sure your partner is on the ball right from the exit. Well, this time he did the same to me- exactly 3 seconds (checked my video) after the second group exits, as I'm still kneeling by the door looking after them, I hear "OK, go!" as the guy steps past me and out. So I went, thinking "Crap!". But still, I went. You can see us in the second photo...

We had a nice jump, did some tight eagles and kept the right heading. The first two groups were pulling a little higher (4k), but I believe we were still the first to open. I was checking the airspace like mad right after and I definitely didn't like how close (horizontally vertically they were at least 1000 feet above) the second group was when they opened.

The rest of the load apparently took a little longer getting out (as expected) and the last few groups got a 180 and it all worked out well. But seeing these pictures that a friend took yesterday, I feel that I've slipped a little. Maybe not much, but a potential link to something more serious anyway.
Just a personal reminder that I thought was worth sharing.Unimpressed
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metro

Sep 27, 2006, 1:01 PM
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On my 7th jump and first freefall (5 seconds) placed my left hand too far back behind my head and leaned forward to look as I pulled my ripcord. Did a front flip thru the chute as it opened, got my left arm wrapped up in the risers and nearly lost my right shoe and had complete sensory overload.

Finally figured out what was wrong with my arm, had a hell of bruise down the length of it for a while, and stuck my landing. Scared the crap out of me, took a two month hiatus and went back to jump this past weekend but got rained out. Took a great refresher course and am pumped to jump this weekend.


recovercrachead  (Student)

Sep 28, 2006, 5:24 PM
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Did a night jump at a dropzone that I never saw before . I got there around 10:00 pm. skys the limit.


kenneth21441  (B License)

Sep 29, 2006, 5:31 AM
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Many years ago back in the early 90's.

I Rolled pack my main tight to see how it opens and when I pulled at 3500 feet. It took over 1500 feet to open had my hands on the handles and was about to cut away when it started to unroll.

I guess I trusted my equipment too much.....

But I did not cut away and from that I learned do not roll the nose and tail so tight and so much.....espially when it comes to pulling at 3500 feet..... Also was wanting to test different packing methods that if I was going to pack I might as well jump.

Best course: play it safe and do what you know for others.


Jumpah  (D License)

Sep 29, 2006, 6:21 AM
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160 jumps, 190 saber1, WL 1.18:1. Only have about 30 jumps on this canopy and still getting used to how much faster I decend vs. the 210 saber1 I used to be on. From 3.5-1.5k I was playing with deep brakes and stalls and forgot what direction the wind was blowing...and then stopped to gawk at the 2-stack nearby. At 1,500 my collapsed slider became suddenly uncollapsed, so I worked on fixing that by removing my hands from the toggles and recollapsing it, not paying much attention to my canopy direction which was running downwind. That was fixed shortly, but I was over forest at 1k, downwind, and descending faster than I could make it home at full flight. I shot East towards the runway (I could make that easily), but then noticed the Otter coming in on its downwind leg. Sure hope I make it to the runway before him...gonna be tight. Well, half-brakes on this canopy with this WL responds a HELL of a lot better than on previous canopies, and when I curled into a ball I made it over the trees with 100 feet to spare and landed in the normal area.

1) Collapsed slider isn't important...landing safely is.
2) Maintain altitude awareness
3) Know your wind direction
4) Otter has right of way


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Sep 29, 2006, 8:10 AM
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Jump 234: Packing error and EP errors. Recently discussed so I won't go into that here. Bottom line: no injuries, but the resulting gear replacement/repair cost me almost $900. Crazy

I will let him stay anonymous, but I got the coolest PM a couple weeks ago from a jumper who had read the detailed discussion of this particular stupid thing I did and remembered it when trying to diagnose and fix a rapid turn on a larger, more docile canopy. Sure enough, it was a toggle fire and he was able to get the situation under control without having to go to EPs.

Just wanted to share a success story. Sharing stupid things is a pretty smart thing, if you ask me.


MrFreefall383  (A 50074)

Sep 29, 2006, 1:16 PM
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Hmmm, what stupid things have I done in a scant 23 jumps? A couple. First one was around my 4th or 5th jump. I had a linetwist for the first time, and forgot everything about linetwists I was taught in the FJC. I noticed it quick, reached up, released my toggles, and started trying to kick the twists out. When nothing happened, I realized I was an idiot and attached my toggles to the risers, yanked the risers apart and managed to get the twists kicked loose. Thought about it afterward and realized it could've gone much worse.

Second one was around jump 17 or so, when I packed for the first time. I was so concerned about whether my main would open on my own pack job, that I didn't completely square away my right leg strap. Nobody noticed it, including an instructor with another student on that load, and shortly before deploying at about 4500, the leg strap came out of its stow pocket and started flapping against my leg. I noticed it as soon as it happened, and thought to destabilize quickly and put the extra strap between my legs to avoid tangling with the bridle. Accomplished that, rolled onto belly, and deployed smoothly. Got down safely, took the rig off, and thought to myself, "What the fuck were you thinking?"Crazy


Stevetaylor  (A 50234)

Sep 30, 2006, 11:07 AM
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OK, I'll add my stupid thing here that I just just about 2 hours ago. Jump #24, just doing some relax jumps until an instructor was available for the last two coach jumps. Winds at takeoff were out of the south at about 8.

While in the air, the ground winds picked up, and were now about 15-18 on the ground as I set up my pattern.

FU #1- Didn't look at the wind sock to see if the winds had increased, just assumed that they were the same as when we took off. FrownFrownFrownFrownFrown

FU #2- Was watching the landing patterns that other jumpers were taking, and assumed that I could take the same track. Never mind that the two I was following had more experience, different gear that my 260' mushroom, and WAY better piloting skills that I do. FrownFrownFrownFrownFrown

FU #3- Went WAY to wide on the downwind leg, as well as too long. So when I turned onto the base (west) leg, I was both wide (east) and long (north). Not a good situation for a newbie flying around with his thumb up his butt... FrownFrownFrownFrownFrown

So here I am, under 1000' and over areas I do not want to land on. At 200' I was over trees, but at least facing into the DZ. I cleared the edge of the tree margin by about 30', and ran smack into turbulence that bounced me around. I pullled into 1/4 brakes to absorb the turbulance, as well as extend my glide.

I saw my landing area was going to be a small patch of gravel and weeds adjacent to the DZ, with a paved road on one side and some iron roof trusses under tarps to the other. The space I had to set down in was perhaps 80' wide from the road to the tarps. I let up on the brakes at about 75' to get some forward speed. At about 40' got bounced to the right by some rather hostile air, and corrected with a wee bit of left toggle to stay away from the iron trusses.

On the good side, I flared well and did an excellent PLF, and walked away from this fiasco. Got a well deserved lecture from some of the staff onsite, reminding me to stay within the boundaries of the LZ when under 1000'.

Shortly thereafter, the DZ restricted jumps to those with A licenses or above, which left myself and several other students sitting. Not sure if the restriction would have happened anyway, or if my actions caused the restriction, but I would not be at all suprised if the student groundings were a result of me (and certainly warrented).

Feeling rather dejected and stupid today, and having second thoughts about skydiving. Not that I love it any less, or that I'm embarressed out of the sport, but I don't want to hurt anyone else or cause the DZ (and skydiving in general) to have negative press because of my actions.

At the very least, I'm thinking of sitting through the ground school course again, and then taking the canopy control program the DZ has to offer. Although I'm at 24 jumps, I'm nowhere near ready to be licensed....

No blue skies for me....just sitting in the blues...

Steve


Elisha  (D 31656)

Sep 30, 2006, 11:29 AM
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In reply to:
No blue skies for me....just sitting in the blues...

Steve

Yes, but as they say, better to be on the ground wishing you were in the sky then the other way around.

Recently on a 4-way, I kinda lost altitude awareness, trying to continue to dock at breakoff. The experienced person I tried to dock on shook my grip off and then I saw the 4K on my alti and tracked away like the others. The experienced guy thought no big deal, but I felt like a fool. I shoulda been aware.


christelsabine  (D 10828)

Sep 30, 2006, 12:03 PM
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...

At the very least, I'm thinking of sitting through the ground school course again, and then taking the canopy control program the DZ has to offer. Although I'm at 24 jumps, I'm nowhere near ready to be licensed....

No blue skies for me....just sitting in the blues...

Steve
No, you were not stupid at all. You should just talk to your instructor. Immediately!

You saved your a**, walked away even landing out somewhere in the pampa with a good PLF - congrats! - Well done. You do NOT have to blame any jumping restrictions (A or below with low jump Nos.) on you.

As a student, I landed in a tree, on a highway, in a forrest - my instructors've got grey hair - but, I made it in the end.

Talk to them. Smile

You will say Blue Skies very soon - good luck!
Wink

edited for typo


(This post was edited by christelsabine on Sep 30, 2006, 12:04 PM)


MrFreefall383  (A 50074)

Sep 30, 2006, 7:21 PM
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Trust me, the change in jump restrictions would not have been your fault. If you're following the rough line of a few other jumpers, you're doing something else that is possibly smarter than you think: you're avoiding canopy collisions at an altitude where it would kill both you and the other guy. I say you came out of that better than before, and should jump again tomorrow. An increase in ground winds is sometimes sketchy to read. I've messed it up too, that's part of being a student. That's part of learning a new trick. In this case, the trick is setting a canopy down without breaking bones (which you did successfully I might add).

Don't beat yourself up too bad, just do a little reflection, think about the small things you can do to improve on that jump, and keep getting in those damn aircraft and doing what you love.


AFFI  (D 25538)

Sep 30, 2006, 9:07 PM
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Stupid things I have done?

Read this thread:

http://www.dropzone.com/...post=2458894#2458894


Titanman2789  (D License)

Oct 1, 2006, 7:42 PM
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Got a new one. This one is about how easy it is to screw up and how complacency can get you.

OK, Tandem jump (Strong). A lady brings her best friend to do a tandem, I get the best friend.

I move towards the door and as soon as I get out, I toss the drouge....Bamm! I have the main out. WTF?!?!?!? The drouge acted like a pilot chute and there I am with my tandem passenger at 12K.

As the main opens, I automaticly reached for handles ,but didn't pull any since nothing was wrong....Well nothing other than sitting under canopy at 12k.

I check the canopy, then start to wonder what the heck happend. I look and both my handles are in place.

It seems that during my preflight I missed the double loop being misrouted. It did not go through the small ring of the three ring.

For those that understand, you know what I am talking about. TI's that jump Strong that don't get it, please ask you local friendly rigger. Those that don't understand, just understand that *I screwed up*. I didn't pack it, but I didn't catch it in my preflight.

I could give a reason why I screwed up, I got distracted by a question from the Passengers family. But the real truth is "I just screwed up." My fault, no one else's. Nobody got hurt, but a lesson all the same.

did you yank on that 3 ring at all? always gotta pull on it a bit to make sure everythings attached


Ron

Oct 1, 2006, 8:08 PM
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did you yank on that 3 ring at all? always gotta pull on it a bit to make sure everythings attached

Where the hell were you when I needed you? Cool

Nope, I got distracted by questions from the husband..."What color is the canopy? Where is the reserve? How many times have you done this?" It knocked me off my checklist.

I just flat screwed up. No excuses from me.


Titanman2789  (D License)

Oct 2, 2006, 7:56 PM
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Where the hell were you when I needed you? Cool

haha well i guess its all good since you were ok. packing tandems is my job out at the dz.


lauras  (D License)

Oct 3, 2006, 6:33 AM
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I'll add my most recent stupid thing:

CRW on little Katana starting at 1800' by two people who should know A LOT better. Oh yeah, and I had my chest strap wiiiide open which made looking for handles just that much more exciting while spinning around on my back. I was under my reserve and looked at my alti at 600'. The ground is really fucking big at 600' for this non-base jumper.

Many lessons learned, including that I was off my game and needed to rethink some equipment choices. It's never too late to upsize! And CRW down low sucks (for me, anyway)!


Reginald  (D 28162)

Oct 3, 2006, 12:06 PM
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In reply to:
Stupid things I have done?

Read this thread:

http://www.dropzone.com/...post=2458894#2458894

LOL! Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink


co-popsdiver  (A 35463)

Oct 3, 2006, 1:35 PM
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I had already completed Level 7 and was jumping with a couple of other students in Eloy, trying to get to my 25 completed jumps. Around jump 13 I went out last so they could comment on my landing. I was so concerned that they would be out of the way near the peas in the student area that I proceded to get to about 300 feet directly over same said peas going downwind.Shocked I then decided to do all three legs of my landing pattern.Crazy All of the legs being very quick indeed. My 1st and so far last hook turn in my short skydiving history happened directly over the trailer park which housed my instructor who was also appointed the STA for Eloy that very week. So while my two buddies were giving me high five's for my perfect stand up landing dead center in the pea's we heard a couple of people screaming and running towards us. Both my instructor and one other had heard the distinctive sound of a canopy hooking in, directly over their trailers. It was then explained to me what a hook turn was in a very loud voice for the entire, long walk back to the packing area.Blush I have appreciated that lecture on every one of my jumps since.


pirana  (D 30661)

Oct 4, 2006, 9:06 AM
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Around #69 had my first (and only) reserve ride. Got complacent and grabbed the toggles before looking at anything. Had 4 or 5 twists. Kicked out of the twists, which thoroughly tangled the toggles. Could not clear them so cut away at 1600'. Safe outcome, though the alfalfa out that I found grabbed my feet and slammed me forward pretty good

Around #470 (very recent) got a good lesson on how multiple little things can lead to a big disaster. #1, took the dive too low. Plan was to break at 4K, took it to almost 3K. #2, kept jumping goggles way past the lifetime of the elastic, and of course, on the dive I went low on, they slide up and the bottom edge of the lens digs into my eyes; totally blinding me. (When I turned to look over shoulder the wind hit the side of them and the lack of proper tension allowed them to move way too easily). #3, should have dumped blind (being at 2K) rather than adjusting goggles. But I had fixated on sticking to the routine and HAD to see over the shoulder and wave off. Dumped at about 1600, in saddle at 1200 - thanks to snappy opening Sabre. So 3 lessons in one really - altitude awareness; maintain everything, even goggle straps can be deadly; don't fixate on anything, including bottom of the dive procedures.

Jumps 20 thru 480; I used to spiral a lot. Sometimes to get rid of altitude, but most often simply because I like to. I often did it in or very near the landing pattern. So I got well chewed out, deservedly. The worst part is nobody ever explained the dangers of this until very recently.

Amazing that in almost 500 skydives 2 of my 3 moments of high humility have come in the last month.

BTW, great stories. This is at least as good as a learning opportunity as Incidents - without all the barking.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 4, 2006, 2:08 PM
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Not something I did, but very funny:
When one of the FS4 teams was climbing out and getting ready to exit during Nationals this year, there suddenly was an extra hand on the floaters bar and an extra head looking out. While the surprised vidiot was trying to figure out what he was seeing, the team jumped, with him leaving too late.

Turns out, a visiting jumper had wedged himself in between the team, trying to look out to see what was going on during a competition CrazyLaugh
Or maybe he was helping them to spot Laugh

Anyway the team was cool about it, although the vidiot was somewhat embarrased, and the "extra" jumper was so sorry about the whole thing that he paid for a rejump for the entire team!


Another nugget:
The airport is going to make our runway longer. We have a van that picks us up from the other side of the runway, there's a road going around the airport. When the runway is lengthened, that road will have to go. So, how will we get from the landing area to the hangar? The "next" road is much further. Maybe we'll be allowed to drive on the airport instead of around it, maybe not.
Suggestion from one of our chief instructors:
"Why not build an overpass over the runway?"

LaughLaughLaugh

It took him a loooong time to figure out that that might not be a very good idea, although the stunt planes might enjoy it Sly


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

Oct 9, 2006, 4:47 PM
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Stupid things I've done:

About jump #100 got out of the plane in ~36mph winds. Now, before takeoff the winds were about 25-28mph and on the rise. This is usually my cut-off. I decided to jump anyway and we were getting updates on wind conditions on the way up. (i guess no need to mention that people with 1000's of jump were willingly staying out of the airplane. As we continued to altitude the updates were 30mph & 32mph. Well the aircraft was full and everyone proceeded to exit. Three of us stayed in the plane for a while longer as we were planning to do a cross country sunset jump.

Turns out that we exited the plane in winds of 36mph with a gust going over 40 while we were in the air for ~12 mintues.

All three of us ended up landing without incident right in the middle of the landing field. However, seeing a well respected friend marching into the landing area on final and myself all ready realizing I'd made a mistake getting out of the plane...I knew I was about to get it. I did. lesson learned the easy way.

Smart things ive done:
50 jumps later, I stayed in the plane (only one to do so) when I looked out and saw a storm coming toward the landing area (8,000ft jump run). Rain & lightening not far away. Everyone beat the initial sheer wind with the storm to the landing area, but it was not a race I wanted to lose. Not sure if the plane ride was worth $23....but the opportunity to jump again later that day sure was.

Be safe all.


travisjones  (D 30238)

Oct 10, 2006, 7:07 PM
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The stupidest thing I have ever done:

Jump # 105
Did a back layout on a hop-n-pop. Thats not the stupid part. While i was upside down looking at the plane I decided to dump. My pilot chute inflated between my legs and the parachute also deployed between my legs. It was a very uneventful jump, but it could have gone way fucking wrong. It looks really badass on video, but im pretty sure thats the last time I will try anything that stupid for a while. It didnt help that the S&TA was setting right next to the door watching me leave. I got grounded for that one.


HeatherB  (B License)

Oct 10, 2006, 9:30 PM
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A few stupid things I've done that could have turned out badly:

1. After a 5 or 6 month layoff at around 70 jumps, I did my re-currency jump with a friend who also had about 70 jumps (and was not very current). No official review of mals or anything either. Probably not the best idea.

2. I jumped with a stuffed animal tucked under my chest strap. (I have photos somewhere). If I had needed to cutaway or go for my reserve that animal could easily have gotten in the way. I think I had about 100 jumps at the time. I may have done it twice in a row now that I think about it.

3. I *almost* jumped with uncocked PC b/c I allowed myself to get distracted while packing. (this was a couple months ago). I suddenly thought "I don't remember cocking it" while doing my gear check before putting the rig on. I usually double-triple check it during the packing process; I don't know what I was thinking that time, but I do remember getting up, searching around for my manifest card, giving it to someone and then returning to my pack job.
Lesson: Keep my steps the same, remember where I left off, double-check things, don't let distractions distract me, keep doing those gear checks.

4. And 2 or 3 ill-planned raft/inflatable dives that I probably could have easily gotten knocked unconconsious on. I did get clocked very hard on one way back when by someone who was rather uncurrent. I saw stars. I stopped doing those kind of dives a long time ago.
Lesson: Don't do "crazy" dives with people you don't know well. (my own personal rule: don't do "crazy" dives) Wink

5. Oh, and I had a bit of a low-pull phase a long time ago too. Not low like 800 feet low, but lower than I realized (Hi Oren!). I'd spend too much time coming out of the track, waving around, looking around, etc. Thankfully I remedied all of that before I started my chops-a-lot phase. Laugh

This is probably all run-of-the-mill stuff, but if it can help one person that's cool.


ZigZagMarquis  (D License)

Oct 10, 2006, 10:17 PM
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Somewhere around 200ish jumps... after a 5-Way, poor break-off / hesitation on track translating into loss of altitude awareness resulted in throwing out a pilot chute around 1200 feet, got saddled around 700ish feet. Didn't have a Cypres then; I'm sure it would have been a Cypres fire if I had.


Somewhere around 800ish jumps... Took 15 seconds off of a balloon at 3K. Got saddled at something slightly over / 1K... figure I was within a second, no more then two, of a Cypres fire and 2-out.


brabzzz  (C 103268)

Oct 11, 2006, 1:54 AM
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4. And 2 or 3 ill-planned raft/inflatable dives that I probably could have easily gotten knocked unconconsious on. I did get clocked very hard on one way back when by someone who was rather uncurrent. I saw stars. I stopped doing those kind of dives a long time ago.
Lesson: Don't do "crazy" dives with people you don't know well. (my own personal rule: don't do "crazy" dives) Wink

Along a similar topic, a mate did an inflatable dive where he held onto a penguin. A big inflatabe one - probably half his height and four times wider. We'd made a ducktape handle on the bottom (literally) so he could hold it one handed in a sit.

Lessons:

1) If the plan is to sit with it (and it + jumper have unknown combined fallrate and characteristics), make sure everyone on the dive can sit (and really 'move') if need be...a group of sub 100 jump FS peeps are not the ideal load the first time round.

2) Expect the totally f*cking unexpected! The dive was incident free. Except at pull height, which he took a little lower to ensure the FS guys with him were not on a collision course with the inflatable. Upon going flat, he let go of the inflatable....which, instead of rocketing skywards, chose to plant itself squarely in the middle of his burble and was going nowhere. A few twists and turns later, he'd persuaded it to move, but what if he'd been lower or less experienced?


AndyMan  (D 25698)

Oct 11, 2006, 6:06 AM
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I did a pretty dumb thing on friday.

I was flying video for a 4way team training for nationals. For whatever reason, the pilot gave us a terrible spot. He blamed a misconfiguration of the GPS, but the result was that he was flying a perfect jumprun with a 4 mile offset south of the DZ, on a northwest jumprun. So, even if we waited - the spot wouldn't get any better unless the pilot changed course. He never looked out the window, so the jumprun sucked badly.

Our group was first out. When he hit the yellow light I looked out the door, noticed the jumprun wasn't even close, and pointed that out to the team. When the light went green, I didn't really want to jump, and told the group after us that the spot sucked, badly.

The group behind us would have nothing of my complaints, and started harassing us to go so we wouldn't hose everyone else. One of the team members immediately started climbing out, so the rest of us shrugged, climbed out, and went.

The entire load landed off, my group was a good 3 miles from the nearest road. I was the only one who was smart enough to fly towards that road, the rest had a good long walk through a plowed cornfield.

So - I climbed out on a spot that I knew sucked, I succumed to "green-light-itis" even though I knew the entire load would land off.

I've always been the one telling people "Check the spot before you jump!", and well - I did that! I knew exactly what the spot was, and I went anyways. I think I need to start telling people "check the spot before you jump, and don't go if it sucks!". Maybe I'll listen to myself.

_Am


dragon2  (D 101989)

Oct 11, 2006, 6:29 AM
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So - I climbed out on a spot that I knew sucked, I succumed to "green-light-itis" even though I knew the entire load would land off.

I did the same thing once, and I'm still kicking myself for it. But you are not responsible for the rest of the load landing off, they should check for themselves.

After my own green-light-itis I was doubly careful when spotting for a scramble FS3 comp with newbies + coach. Got kicked for it later by another experienced jumper because the last 1 or 2 teams landed off after my spot. I still think that we didn't get out too late; we were still short so no "perfect" spot for us just a safe one, and if the other teams take forever in the door (well, newbies...) then their video and/or their coach should ask for a turnaround instead of blaming the first team. And even the newbies could/should take a look...


Ron

Oct 11, 2006, 9:10 AM
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So - I climbed out on a spot that I knew sucked, I succumed to "green-light-itis" even though I knew the entire load would land off.

I've always been the one telling people "Check the spot before you jump!", and well - I did that! I knew exactly what the spot was, and I went anyways. I think I need to start telling people "check the spot before you jump, and don't go if it sucks!". Maybe I'll listen to myself.

Doesn't it suck when you bite yourself? Cool

Just goes to show that even people that *know* better can be coerced into doing something stupid.

Thanks for sharing it.


tetra316  (D 26945)

Oct 15, 2006, 1:29 PM
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Around jump #40 I went up on a hop and pop load with three others who had several hundred jumps each if not more. We ended up being only able to get about 1800 due to low clouds. As we did a go around they were debating whether or not to get out. They decided to go for it, (pacific nw weather sucks in the winter). So watching them go I thought, well if they can do it so can I and I jumped. Of course I waited a few seconds to get stable before pulling like I had been taught for my clear and pulls Crazy. Boy did I get an earful once I landed for that one. Lesson learned: even if others with a lot more experience are jumping but seriously debating it before hand there's probably a damned good reason.


Elisha  (D 31656)

Oct 16, 2006, 4:38 PM
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Here's a couple from this weekend:

1) skydivexxl told me I was flying over the landing area. I don't remember, but I guess I did. Must've been not too long after opening then. Bad me.

2) Practically tracked over the guy who was rather low on breakoff. He was at least 100 feet lower and it was difficult to asses his direction so I could get between him and the next guy near me. It was a little close for comfort, but otherwise ended up fine. Tracked longer to make sure I was NOT over him. Ended up in the saddle by around 1800. which again, I would prefer higher.

3) I keep not giving myself enough height on final when it is windy (like 15+ mph), just making it across the road (so I don't have to buy beer).


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Oct 16, 2006, 4:57 PM
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Lately I'll add "stupid rigging mistakes" to the list. I will admit I've been one of those jumpers who doesn't know enough about my gear. I'm working to change that.

So, when I demoed a canopy that was for sale in the classifieds, I borrowed a set of risers, and had a rigger friend hook it up for me while I watched. Decided to buy the canopy, so I put it back on my original risers.

I did that myself, but asked a rigger to watch me and make sure I wasn't screwing up. I guess we both got distracted because I managed to wrap one steering line around some of the suspension lines. Wondered for a couple of jumps why there was so much tension on one side. Crazy Fortunately, just had a few off-kilter landings, and nothing really nasty like a tension knot.

That was a few weeks ago. Flash forward to this weekend, and I have brand new shorter risers and need to hook the canopy up to the risers.

Fail to put the left steering line through the ring. Still manage to stow the toggle correctly (without noticing my mistake!!!), and thanks to very tight new spandex on the toggle keepers, I don't have anything nasty like a brake fire on opening. It passed my controllability checks and I managed to fly and land it well enough, but it was a definite wake-up call to double and triple check my work, and that getting a second set of eyes is never a bad idea.


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okalb  (D 22854)

Oct 18, 2006, 8:39 AM
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This is just one of the MANY stupid things I have done over the years.

It was at the WFFC, I had about 300 jumps, enough to know better. I was staying at a hotel down the street. Since the weather that day was aweful, I just went to the DZ to hang out, didn't bring my gear. Of course the weather cleared up and 2 friends wanted to go make a jump. I didn't have gear and a friend said, here take my extra rig another gave me a jumpsuit and altimeter, another a helmet. The rig had a stiletto in it and at the time I had never jumped anything but a Sabre.

So here I am on the plane thinking about how many incident reports I had read that started with unfamiliar dz, borrowed gear, different type of canopy than he was used to. I freaked knowing that this was one of the stupidest things I had done to date in the sport. Unfortunately I let pride get in the way and didn't tell them that I didn't feel comfortable. I made the jump and didn't even break off high or any of the normal things that I should have done in that situation. All ended up just fine, but it was still not one of my better moments. I could very easily have been in the next month's incident reports.

The moral: Don't let anyone talk you into doing something that you don't feel comfortable with and don't let pride keep you from saying no.


Stevetaylor  (A 50234)

Oct 21, 2006, 8:51 AM
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In reply to:
...don't let pride keep you from saying no.

I've managed to "finally" keep that adage in my head. Was a bit windy at the DZ today, but we weren't on a hold for A licenses (yet). I'm really itching to do my last coach jump and be ready for my A license checkout dive.

I was all set to go, and we were just over the 20 minute call, when I took a long hard look at the conditions. Between the wind, the gusts, and that the wind was moving around more than I was comfortable with, I took a third look at the situation. I was going to be doing a tracking dive, and realized that there was a good possibility of getting to an opening spot that my abilities (or lack thereof) would not let me make it back to the DZ, risking an off landing.

All things considered, and that I had nearly landed in trees a few weeks back because of winds and stupidity, I tucked my tail between my legs and drove home without jumping. Still believe that I made the right choice, and didn't want to have another entry for "stupid things I've done", but I'm starting to wonder if I'll "ever" finish my A license...

Steve


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Oct 21, 2006, 9:59 AM
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Good call, Steve... and remember, it's not a race. You'll get your A.


georgerussia  (C 35731)

Oct 22, 2006, 9:09 PM
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A few weeks ago received an old rig for my friend overseas. He asked me to check it. Put the container on the floor in a living room. Got a phone call. Picked up the phone, talked for a while, and decided to move the container to the room corner while still talking. Having a phone in one hand, started drawing the container on carpet by a leg strap. During this big move something (a nail head, as was confirmed later) caught the reserve ricord, and released reserve pilot chute hit me into face Frown


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caspar  (A 105169)

Oct 28, 2006, 6:27 AM
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Laugh thats fucking comical. awesome.


iluvtofly  (C License)

Dec 19, 2006, 2:04 PM
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Thought this one deserved a bump back to the top. As a newbie I've definitely learned alot by reading this. However, even only having 31 jumps, I myself have something to add.


Jump #9 - I was anxious to get off radio (you know, the whole pride thing). My DZO still had me wear one but said that he wouldn't talk to me unless I was putting myself and/or his gear in danger. Well, went to turn into my final leg of my landing pattern. About 10 seconds after doing so I realized that I was going to horribly overshoot the landing area. After hearing me scream several obscenities the DZO got on the radio and directed me past the park cars, the dumpster and his trailer. Unfortunately, the only place I had to land was in a corner between a fence and some trees. Well, in that corner were some metal industrial pipes. Managed to land on those shins first while putting my canopy in a tree. Somehow I got lucky enough not to break any bones.

Jump 15ish - it was a somewhat windy day, nothing to horrible, just with the setup of our landing area it meant that I had to land on the other side of the fence alongside the runway. Once again I horribly misjudged my landing pattern. Ended up making my one and only (so far) low hook turn. Only thing that saved me from breaking any bones was the fact that I landed in some nice soft mud. Also, managed to put my canopy on top of the fence. Got a very long talking to from the DZO once I made the long walk back.

Needless to say, after those two incidents, for the next several jumps people would always ask me object I was going to land on that time. Oh well, all part of the learning process.


Unstable  (D 28930)

Dec 19, 2006, 6:48 PM
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      Once we did a Mr. Bill that went wrong and a bud of mine and we almost hung ourselves. Rope burn on his neck.
I jumped a round paracommander at FFC some 3 years ago. I've jumped them before, but always in Kansas where I have the entire state as my landing area. I missed the loading tent by about 10 feet and that is ONLY because I was able to almost dive the stupid thing into the wind (it was a later model with the steering slits-If you call that steeringUnimpressed) That was luck that I missed the tent. Anywho the Army Guys with the golden knights gave me a high-five for the PLF - Glad I practiced those puppies. Angelic


sraja  (B 31468)

Jan 3, 2007, 12:54 PM
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My stupid stunt came on jump #27 - tired of walking across a huge landing area, I decided to land close on my third jump of the trip. I was the last canopy in air since I normally pull high - neverthless, there were a lot of people in the landing area picking up their gear and I had never before landed in a crowded area. In trying to be careful and avoid people, I missed the ground. My flare was too late - my tailbone is bruised and so is my ego. I will never forget Golden rule #2 - Land Safe, not close.


prana185  (B 29994)

Jan 11, 2007, 9:36 AM
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I work in a different state than I live, so this time around I thought I'd take my rig along and actually enjoy my weekends for once. So It's jump #51 for me, at a DZ I've never been to before. Thought I was being safe, asked everyone around what the landing conditons are like, where is your aerial map, anemometer, etc. One guy told me that the whole field was flat and very very muddy/wet (I guess it used to be a rice paddy?), but "there's a little spot right over there that's a little bit higher than the rest, and usually stays dry." So of course I go for it, because I don't want to slip and get my new rig (and as-of-yet clean ego) all muddy. I pull high and do a controlability check. The winds are blowing around 16-18, but I've taken that into account in my slow landing pattern. While focusing on trying to land in one perfect spot in a gigantic field, my canopy starts to shake and bounce at about 70 feet. "Ah, it's just a little gust. What I wasn't realizing was that nobody else was attempting to land in this spot because of the obvious: the burble of the hangar. The lower I got, the worse the turbulence got. At about 8 feet the canopy just died and I dropped short of that "perfect" dry spot. Skidding through the mud and getting everything nicely re-colored.

Upon closer inspection, the dry spot was just as muddy.

I got tunnel vision over something stupid, and luckily only paid for it with mud and embarrassment. I won't let that happen again.
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monte  (B License)

Jan 11, 2007, 1:14 PM
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About 100 Js:
We exited @ 1,500, raining out, and I had just had my brake lines adjusted shorter. Plus the pilot had to turn as ask the spotter, "Are you still here?"

Worse, the spotter slipped when he put his hand on the strut, tumbled for a 5 sec delay, and watched his canopy open that usually snivels for about 1000 ft.

Unsure

But we all landed safe and wet.


rasmack  (D 647)

Jan 13, 2007, 6:30 AM
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Last weekend:

A C-206 load of jumpers going up. We passed through a thin layer of clouds around 6k, but could most of the time see a little through them. Little did we know that shortly before exit a heavy layer of low clouds as well as a lot of wind had moved in below the layer we could see...

I didn't feel too proud of myself spiraling down inside a cloud @ 2k. Especially since we had a student on that load.Pirate Everyone made it safely to the ground, though.


tomleone  (B License)

Jan 14, 2007, 7:23 PM
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On jump 4 I ended up over a parking lot bc I was following instructions over the radio that were meant for another student. I turned back to the landing area, but I didn't have enough altitude to make it to the landing area.

I hit a post and rail fence and got the worst bruise of my life, but I ended up ok.

I made a huge mistake in following instructions that seemed ridiculous to me even at that time. I learned from that experience, that on every skydive you are responsible for your own safety and the safety of those around you. I always take that responsibility very seriously.


PeteW  (A License)

Jan 15, 2007, 4:18 PM
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On jump 12 I was doing a 5sec delay. I panicked pulled wrapped the pc around my arm. I tried pointing to clear it and flipped on my back and got the bridle wrapped around my chest. I pulled the reserve. During the opening I found the main pc and shoved it in the harness. The reserve was a round and the landing hurt pretty bad.

Jump 23 was my stall for my solo. I wrapped the brake lines once or twice. Pulled the brakes down, felt myself start to fall. Watched the canopy kinda go into a funny shape. I was ok with all of this then my brain farted and I let the brakes up all the way. FAST! I went into three right turns. On the third it cleared up and threw me into a half line twist. Scared the crap outta me.


Lawndarth  (D 898)

Jan 16, 2007, 6:34 AM
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Got my shiny brand new Heatwave 150 on jump number 35. Jumping at 4500 ASL 'cause I know what I'm doing. Did a LOW 180 degree toggle spank on jump 45 and hit the klip...three somersaults through the risers and compressed fracture of t-12 in two places. The ground does not move at all.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

Jan 16, 2007, 10:32 AM
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This is still a fabulous thread.

Wendy W.


sgt_ludy

Jan 16, 2007, 11:55 AM
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1)
@ jump 200-something: i was for one day on a DZ and had left my gear at home. went partying and drinking the night before. some guys decided to make a high altitude oxygen jump (22000ft), and i couldn´t miss the opportunity, so now we have:
unknown DZ, borrowed gear, alcohol, lack of sleep, high altituden & oxygen (doesen´t mix well with alcoho, btw...).
Mad
on the (loooong) climb i was really feeling physically bad and was really worrying about the problems of oxy with alcohol...i had signed and read the waiver, but decided to jump and had a really nice 2+1cam jump. oh yes, i forgot: no audible, no alti. damn. what a mess!

2)
180 front riser turn below 300ft, because of an unexpected canopy in my flight pattern. no plan B. broke L-5/L-6 (yes i have 6...)

3)
floating up at pull time while filming a tandem to get a nice shot of the deploying canopy... from above Crazy. too damn close.

4)
all the big (=more than 3) freefly formation jumps i did, with bad freefly skills.


pinkfairy  (C 85665)

Jan 18, 2007, 4:26 AM
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Well, I haven't done anything really, really stupid yet. I mean, apart from jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. Repeatedly.

But I'm sure I'll get plenty of chances in the spring.

The scary thing is that these people who do these horrible mistakes skydiving, are the same people who drive around on normal roads in normal cars making the world unsafe for other people.

But as all people are likely to make mistakes, no one is safe.

And it doesn't help to stay indoors behind closed doors. That just leads to heart disease...

Well, oh, and the canopy I'm getting in the spring isn't that big. But if it is stupid, we'll see then.

Great Thread, BTW!

Smile


jsaxton  (D 26818)

Jan 21, 2007, 10:19 AM
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we took a 12way out when the ground winds were 30 knots yesterday Crazy


Zing  (D 6343)

Jan 21, 2007, 10:26 AM
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Hell, I took out a 30-way once when the winds were hardly blowing.


Andy_Copland  (A 105852)

Jan 21, 2007, 11:39 PM
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It seems everytime i post about my jumps i get flamed but here goes.

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1.) My biggest jumps being 3-way at the time i was asked to join an 8-way + camera. New DZ and 7 complete strangers.

2.) Jump 21 i think and new DZ. I was still in a serious state of "listen listen listen" and if an instructor asked me to light myself on fire before exiting i would of. So when a TM turned around and asked me to feel my "rip cord" on the lift i turned to my buddy and said "Hmmm, rip cord. Better hold onto this." It was actually throw out so had a brief moment of "oh shitters"

3.) Going head down on jumps 62 and 63. For a good 20 minutes before the lift i was looking at my hired kit saying "Make the right call" and i knew that was to not FF in that shit, it had holes in it Crazy.

So off we went the ramp and fucking stuck these two 3-way head downs (linked) bloody well.

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We are skydivers and i think we all have a little something in us that can make us prone to make mistakes by taking risks and maybe act a bit foolishly.

Edit: Oooo forgot to add that i tracked away from a freaking 3-way and still managed to be going the same way as the other jumper after a bit of burble foreplay just before break off. Involved my foot nearly taking his head off too Laugh Canopy openings where a bit close Pirate


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parajesus  (B License)

Jan 22, 2007, 6:36 AM
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On my first jump with hand deployed pilot chute I forgot to release the pud.
Even if I've been told hundred times as the most important thing to release that "little thing" I grabbed it as a handle for pull out.
After a few seconds (and feets later) I felt that something is wrong and I was changing position as I thought my pchute got stuck in the turbulence on my back. Then I noticed some weird very unusual colored thing was dancing in my sight. (My pchute is fortunately pink…) Turned away and realized that I’m still carrying the pilot chute in my hand. I threw it away as it was burning :)
I had an open canopy around 1000 feet lower then excepted, with no malfunctions on rig.
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astleysean

Jan 23, 2007, 9:47 PM
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A little off topic but -
Started skydiving in July in UK, 60 jumps by December, completely hooked, got my own rig. Then UK winter arrived. High winds, closed DZs, black skies, constant rain, utterly miserable and depressing. I'm missing it and the tunnel is no substitute.

So I went and bought a Kawasaki ZX10R for £8000 and I can't afford it.


Zing  (D 6343)

Jan 23, 2007, 9:56 PM
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" ... High winds, closed DZs, black skies, constant rain, utterly miserable and depressing ... "

Under those conditions, I expect riding that there motorpickle wil be almost as much fun as skydiving!


aguila  (B 1009)

Jan 26, 2007, 12:43 PM
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I tried to convince our jump masters for years that tandems should exit last

Better that wasting time is allowing much more space behind a tandem no matter how unpopular you become

In the mean time I was about to collide a tandem with its canopy open while I was en FF last Sunday


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rehmwa  (D 12816)

Jan 26, 2007, 1:12 PM
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I tried to convince our jump masters for years that tandems should exit last

Better that wasting time is allowing much more space behind a tandem no matter how unpopular you become

In the mean time I was about to collide a tandem with its canopy open while I was en FF last Sunday


that's not something stupid you have done.
It's something REALLY stupid your tandem masters are doing.

Stick to your guns, show people the threads here on exit order and Kallend's exit order/separation info on his website. It might help. Unless your TM's and DZO are assholes.


aguila  (B 1009)

Jan 26, 2007, 8:05 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I tried to convince our jump masters for years that tandems should exit last

Better that wasting time is allowing much more space behind a tandem no matter how unpopular you become

In the mean time I was about to collide a tandem with its canopy open while I was en FF last Sunday


that's not something stupid you have done.
It's something REALLY stupid your tandem masters are doing.

Stick to your guns, show people the threads here on exit order and Kallend's exit order/separation info on his website. It might help. Unless your TM's and DZO are assholes.

Thank you! I got the zip file! Excellent!


pds  (D 27641)

Feb 7, 2007, 12:05 PM
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#21 - my first jump at eloy, my first jump with a license, first time anybody ever handed me a container and canopy seperately. my first canopy hookup. didn't really know how to hook up a canopy but, hey, i think for a living, shouldn't be too hard. right.

it opened quite nicely and flew fine.... backwards. i knew immediately. argghhh. so i let mcgowan get a few more frames of me flying backerds, cut it, and landed out.

i got to meet a lot of people that day who really wanted to teach me how to hook up a canopy.

#504 - never was fond of packing even before taking a few years off. it took a few times through for it all to come back. almost. packing for the third jump of the day dude says 'you have stowed your lines backwards'. sho nuff. stowed down towards the opening instead of up the flap. oh yeah. that's right. my question is: did i just have a brain fart and had stowed them correctly on the previous jump or did i just get lucky? either way, i probably won't make that mistake again soon.

shuddup, i heard that. i said that mistake.


sundance  (C 36180)

Apr 23, 2007, 8:26 AM
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Around jump 150ish I had friends from work at the dropzone going out for their first tandems. The TM and video guy both agreed to let me lurk one of co-worker - friend's first tandem jump, as I had done before with other friends. When the TM waved off I turned and tracked away, knowing that the video guy would be filming the opening and then opening himself shortly thereafter. Well, I didn't track long enough or had brain fade or something. I recall turning around and looking up at the open tandem canopy above me and then pulled at about 3K and had an uneventful ride down to landing. I'm back in the packing hanger, when the video guy comes storming up to me (he is also a TM, AFF Instructor and Rigger). He was pretty hot and worked up, proceeding to explain that after he pulled he saw me right below him. As his canopy sniveled and inflated he was holding his breath and filling his pants and even lifted his feet to miss flying right into my canopy (though he admitted this was more of an "oh shit" reaction than being truly necessary... he just felt awful close). Obviously it scared the bejesus out of him. I had no idea we came that close during the skydive, but I listened to him, apologized profusely and thought long and hard about it afterwards. I have lurked tandems since and you can bet your ass I track away when the TM waves off like a coyote in the gunsights. I was dumb lucky and the video guy, considering the situation and scare was really pretty damned civil about it. He should have tore my head off. I was surprised he ever jumped with me again after that, but he did. LOL. Luck fell our way that day, but I realize you can't count on luck in skydiving.


sonofsimp  (B License)

Apr 23, 2007, 5:11 PM
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At 25 jumps I bought a full set of gear on Ebay and took it to my rigger to inspect. It wasn't until I was in the hospital recovering from surgery on a broken elbow 25 jumps later that I found out my main was a 135, not a 150 as adverstised. I never read the label!


elias123  (D 108)

Apr 27, 2007, 4:52 AM
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Wearing a sweater whilst doing sitfly.
When I pulled at 3000ft I had a pilot chute in tow.
I went for my reserve and saw that my sweater was tucked over my reservehandle, so I couldn't immediately pull it.
I frantically tried to clear the handle for a few seconds.
While doing so I went headlow and the main openend.
I bought freefly clothes the next day.


GrabGrass  (D 666999)

Apr 27, 2007, 9:58 AM
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Dumped my reserve at repack time without ever going for the main.Unimpressed


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Apr 28, 2007, 1:13 PM
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How about flying through clouds with wing suit in icing conditions? That's my contribution for today.


airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 28, 2007, 1:48 PM
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In reply to:
How about flying through clouds with wing suit in icing conditions? That's my contribution for today.

Hummm....Leading Edge heaters for wingsuits! Angelic

My God, I'm gonna be RICH!Cool

Okay, your idea, I'll cut ya in for 10%! Wink


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

Apr 28, 2007, 10:24 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
How about flying through clouds with wing suit in icing conditions? That's my contribution for today.

Hummm....Leading Edge heaters for wingsuits! Angelic

My God, I'm gonna be RICH!Cool

Okay, your idea, I'll cut ya in for 10%! Wink
I had an icy visor too. I might need electric heating for that.Wink


Rory81  (D License)

Apr 29, 2007, 9:00 PM
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what about doing a wingsuit pull, but wearing a t-shirt and shorts? without the drag from the wingsuit i was soooo fast that i got the hardest opening ever...

I really learned the lesson tho Laugh


airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 29, 2007, 9:09 PM
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I had an icy visor too. I might need electric heating for that. Wink

Okay Okay...20%...But THAT'S final! Sly


durandt  (A 6797)

May 9, 2007, 2:19 AM
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Student from RSA and curious if reserve opened ok as it sounds as if you had a lot of unwanted parts all around you. Did you chop and clear main before reserve pull [durandtg@telkomsa.net]?


mbondvegas  (A 49817)

May 10, 2007, 12:19 PM
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I've done several WS style pulls without a WS and have not noticed that my openings were particularly hard. I wonder if your hard opening was due to something else?


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phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

May 10, 2007, 12:36 PM
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In reply to:
I've done several WS style pulls without a WS and have not noticed that my openings were particularly hard. I wonder if your hard opening was due to something else?
Keep it simple: higher deployment speed.

I'm still wondering why you opened that way? Just touching could have been the right practice.


Premier wmw999  (D 6296)

May 13, 2007, 7:25 PM
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I was looking at an old logbook, and I think this entry counts:
Quote:
NWSCSA attempt. We got 5 at 3500. Broke at 2800. Fourth through, and I hit the hoop. Yuck.
Yes, that means I was on a night jump with at leat 9 other people, only 5 in (2 holding the hoop), and we broke that low.Blush

Wendy W.


mgattini  (D 40947)

May 16, 2007, 2:15 PM
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Off-field landing, phat 450 downwind(my normal landing direction) was able to make it under the barbwire fence with only a cut on my pants. Velo 90.....


bob.dino  (E 2185)

May 16, 2007, 4:24 PM
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In reply to:
Off-field landing, phat 450 downwind(my normal landing direction) was able to make it under the barbwire fence with only a cut on my pants. Velo 90.....

Under the fence?! How tall was the fence and did you put the canopy into it? Glad to hear you're in one piece after that one...


kschilk

Jun 2, 2007, 5:18 PM
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After reading most of the previous, I don't feel so bad. Besides, I can't believe that anyone reading this...wouldn't have done the same thing, under the circumstances.

I had made 31 jumps, my first season...completed AFF but still unlicensed. In April of the next year, I made 1 jump and until then, hadn't jumped anything smaller than a 210. In May, I left to spend the summer and get married in a foreign country. Just days before I left, I bought a used rig with a 160 Triathlon main.

To make a long story short...I stepped off the plane in a foreign country, where I didn't speak the language...with only 32 jumps, an unfamiliar rig that I'd never jumped and with a main, a good bit smaller than I'd ever jumped before and also, that I didn't really know how to pack...plus an "A" license, that I'd created from my USPA membership card. (Figured that without a license, they might not let me jump.) Might sound kinda' bad but really, everything went off great. Still, I suppose my actions weren't entirely prudent.


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DougH  (D License)

Jun 3, 2007, 2:03 PM
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Or honest!!!

My dumbest so far was failing to reminding everyone to check handles and chest straps on one jump... "its 10 oclock do you know where your handles are??"

On that jump some one left the plane without a chest strap, the person I was jumping with!!! Thank god he stayed in the harness but when I found out I felt like a real dick!!!


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NWPoul  (D 178119)

Jun 3, 2007, 10:06 PM
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Not mine "Stupid thing"
But I was impressed by what my friends didCrazy (was told on our way to home from DZ)

At the end of a pozitive weekend one of them came to another with "cool" idea:

"Let's do 2 way and at the break off don't track from each other but lay face to face say about 10 meters from each other and deploy...by my command - will be f***ng cool video!"

and another say "yaeh! let's go!"

Both well respected and (at least one of them) were known as "safety" guys.

Canopies/WL/jumps#:

velo/2+/1000+
xfire2/1.5/400

Luckily on of them cheated and didn't throw his PC "by comand" (give 2+ sec), but even this cheat barelly give him enough separation, coz after he pull, his canopy surge right under sniveling canopy of his teammate...

As velo guy said on my "whata f***ng you hope on?":
"We were relying on different deployment time/altitude of our canopies"Crazy


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pinkfairy  (C 85665)

Jun 4, 2007, 10:07 AM
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I hope beer has been purchased for every single one of these posts.

And if someone owes: buy it now, it's not too late!

Laugh


kschilk

Jun 4, 2007, 3:25 PM
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I hope beer has been purchased for every single one of these posts.

And if someone owes: buy it now, it's not too late!

Laugh

Wink Naturally...but where I was, it was beer AND wodka! They actually mix the two!!


rave4funn  (B 30154)

Jul 23, 2007, 6:27 PM
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I misrouted my cheststrap this past weekend. I noticed my chestrap was loose around 12K. I realized what I had done. Thankfully, it made me paranoid and I started checking everyone around me on every load after that. Two loads later I noticed a girl on the plane had done the same thing. My buddies and I are back to doing complete gear checks on each other before we board the plane and again at around 10K.


sagan  (D 29467)

Jul 23, 2007, 9:53 PM
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Quote:
I misrouted my cheststrap this past weekend. I noticed my chestrap was loose around 12K. I realized what I had done.

A good way imo that i was shown to ensure this never happens and is also the "correct" way to put on a rig at least according to my dealer and sun path rep that was at the dz is to: 1) Get rig on with leg straps. 2) Lean forward and tighten the chest strap slightly more than you would jump with. 3) while bent over with tightened chest strap, do up the leg straps.

If you didn't route the chest strap correctly it'll be pretty obvious. The reason I was told to do this is to position the rig correctly on the back. When you do legs up first you pull the rig down to your butt instead of up on your shoulders where it ought to be.

Not sure how "official" this technique is around the sport but it seems to work really well for me. :)


hukturn  (D 16219)

Jul 28, 2007, 7:07 PM
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With about 200 jumps, we pulled a 4 way off of a King Air. Not too bad until you consider that there was something wrong withe the flaps which meant he couldn't slow down the jump runs. Not bad enough... there was a solid cloud layer at about 3K, we were using Lorraine (mis-spelled) spotting at a C-Note Boogie. We landed about 5 miles out.


pinkfairy  (C 85665)

Jul 29, 2007, 5:47 AM
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Ahem:

The DZ's nice, big turbine russian transport plane had been down for most of the week, leaving us only a lousy c-182. (well,it's not lousy, it's really a very nice little plane, great view on the ride to altitude, and the way it's bouncing around when it's climbing makes you really feel as if you're flying, rather than riding the bus). AFF and Tandems had priority, because they are what makes the money for the DZ. With one tandem w/video, there was only room for one normal jumper, and they wanted to chuck out that jumper at 3k to save fuel. Not being familiar with the aircraft and never having learned spotting, this was not very tempting.

Then, when we'd been there nearly a week, we got a Cessna Grand Caravan, with a particularly slippery floor, and I also got on the "priority-list", as I was participating in a canopy control course, so got jumps from 4-5k from the 182 and one jump from the grand caravan, and then finally the AN-28 that had broken down earlier in the week had it's engine replaced, and finally we could get in the air with our favourite airplane. I should probably also mention that the military choppers that were supposed to come and lift us to collect money for children with cancer, failed to materialize.

I only got a couple of jumps from the AN-28. The first one was a hop'npop from 7k, where I sang out with joy over all the altitude I got, and celebrated by doing sharp hook turns so I could see the front of my parachute.

And the day after, we weren't sure we would get in the air at all. Low clouds and the wind was coming from the east, forcing us to come in over the landing area from the west. This is not good over the long, narrow north-to-south landing area that we've got. It puts our final over areas with turbulence, and it gives us little margin for error, putting us in places where we don't want to be if we overshoot or undershoot.

But I really, really wanted to jump, so I went up on that load, and everything went fine, till I overshot the landing area, and landed in very rough terrain, and broke my ankle.

Moral of the story? Even if you're desperate to get into the air, if experience and gut feeling tells you you to stay on the ground, then it's probably a good idea to stay on the ground.

I'm also glad I had practiced getting my feet under me to run or roll in the landing rather than ass sliding. Feet can be fixed. Tail bones and backs aren't that easy.

Edited for spelling.


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Trae  (Student)

Jul 29, 2007, 8:36 AM
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Stupid stupid stupid

I was having a nice break from my life by hanging at a DZ for a week or two.
While on a regular nightly phone call to my bestest GF I told her that I had met a person I hadn't seen for many years. I spoke about how good it felt to see some-one that I knew well and how good it was to see how that person had grown and matured into something special.
well .....when she found out it was another she I was talking about funny things started happening.
Instead of being encouraged to do something separatley for my own interest , like before , it went weird. My ghoulfriend turned up at the DZ that night at 2.30am after driving 6 hours.
Somehow the trust that had existed got a bit mutated into boring ol jealousy.

Stupid stupid stupid


BenediktDE

Jul 30, 2007, 5:23 AM
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In reply to:
Somehow the trust that had existed got a bit mutated into boring ol jealousy.

Telling your girlfriend about DZ-chicks is realy the most stupid thing in this thread. Wink


RossDagley  (C 950932)

Aug 2, 2007, 9:04 AM
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Downsized from a 288 (student gear) to a 188 (my gear at the time) with no transition jumps - at jump #20ish. Nil winds. Scary landing.


Trae  (Student)

Aug 5, 2007, 6:44 AM
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 in reply to " Telling your girlfriend about DZ-chicks is realy the most stupid thing in this thread. "
...........................................

yep , guilty of gross stupidity,
no more of that peace , love and totally truthful open hippy shyte for me. from now on its lies all the way.
eg now its " No! there were no goils there, just a whole heap of blokes , nup not even 1 girl for 10 blokes like normal '
works a charm
Angelic


johan420  (B License)

Aug 25, 2007, 2:46 PM
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flying my wingsuit between two tandems in canopyflight..PirateBlush...they were both at 5000feet and i was pulling for 2500feet, didn`t get any kred from those instructors which was fully understandable...but the tandempassangers loved itAngelic


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RaXz  (Student)

Sep 17, 2007, 5:34 AM
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I love this thread, learned a lot from it! Smile Thanks for admitting stupidity and writing it down, on my 10th solo (jump 17) stupidity got to me and struck me hard.

I was already aware of time stress I experience when it's time to get in the harnass. I asked to get my gear in front of the jump call to really get the time with the pre flight gear check, and a lot of dummy's with my rig on because it was my first time jumping with gloves. But it got declined, and I didn't try it again later on. :/

So my fear manifested before my eyes, I had just enough time to do the dummy's and the gear check, then the call came to go to the plane. Without any steering briefing and pincheck, luckily there was someone already on the plane that did a pincheck on the last minute, still not good!Unsure I felt confident with the lack of a steering briefing, because I watched it from the others and the pattern was the same as the previous time I jumped on that DZ.

As that wasn't enough, I did some backflying just as other times. But this was the first time I tried to steer while backflying, without consulting an instructor about it first! Pirate At first it went well, but then I got into a flat spin. Damn, that was scary, I was just around 6000 feet when I on my belly.

I was really shaken, and glad I was under a good canopy. I was still dazed, and didnt realise the hints that the wind direction changed, luckily it wasn't blowing not too hard that day. I found it rather odd that I was going so fast on my final, I landed downwind and other people still in the pattern guessing what I was doing. Crazy

I am really glad that nobody got hurt, and that I've done a PLF. I didn't manage to do that in my previous jumps so it was my first PLF landing. PLF ground training paid off! Smile


Baksteen  (C 708753)

Sep 17, 2007, 7:33 AM
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Don't be too hard on yourself, dude!

The winds were treacherous that day.
Stick 1: experienced jumper spotting for another student (sabre 210) and myself (navigator 240) as well as the rest of the load.
Only the two students reached the field, the 210 because he opened somewhat higher, and myself because the Nav doesn't really lose any altitude in any kind of hurry. Even so, I barely made it back to the DZ, and was forced to land quite close to the runway, though not dangerously so.

At the time you aare referring to, the winds were so slight that insofar as forward speed is concerned it didn't matter which way you landed - the steering briefing I got right before takeoff actually assumed the T was facing the other direction.

Remember though, we are students - if you get a call but haven't had a briefing/pin check yet, the plane can (and will) wait.


However.....
Upon opening I was well and thoroughly confused; Stick to the plan, or to the T?
I kept hesitating until I was quite low, and then decided to stick to the plan, seeing that my RW-instructor did so too.
However by now I was in such a bad position that I landed out, going over the barbed wire at the end of the DZ during the last stages of my final. I actually flat-turned 180 at 250 feet to get the right heading back, thus potentially endangering anybody who might have been behind me.

Lesson learned: in these specific conditions, (meaning no wind, and an unclear landing situation as well as few people up there) it does not matter wether you land this way or that, as long as you decide at 1500 feet what you are going to do, and STICK to that plan. Land out if necessary, if you think it'll be safer for you or the others.


RaXz  (Student)

Sep 18, 2007, 9:30 AM
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Thanks for the reply, Baksteen. Smile

I don't feel that I am too hard on myself, I could still feel some pride.Wink Still going to concentrate much more on my belly flying skills first.

I rather landed upwind, because I saw that I went faster than usual on my final. But then again, it was a great learning experience, especially since the winds weren't blowing too hard.


bob.dino  (E 2185)

Sep 18, 2007, 5:07 PM
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Got a little lazy while tracking away from a 4-way. Pitched, then realised I'd packed my Samurai 135 with the brakes unstowed. The canopy took me on a bit of a rollercoaster ride, diving, then twisting back towards the centre of the formation.

Where our cameraman was chopping a lineover.

Sometimes it's the little things that add up and turn into a big thing. I got away with it this time.


gpdm  (D 19091)

Sep 19, 2007, 1:12 PM
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Put a ParaFoil into a full stall at about thirty feet from the ground trying to land right next to the hanger. That bought me a steel plate and eleven screws in my ankle. Luckily those things are so damn big they have some drag even when stalled, could have been a lot worse.


mamajumps  (A License)

Sep 20, 2007, 11:07 AM
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This is an AWESOME post! There are things that I have done that I still beat myself up for (2 years later).... in fact one of them has kept me from going back to a favorite DZ out of embarrassment. This post might just help me move beyond that!!!!Wink


winsor  (D 13715)

Sep 20, 2007, 1:20 PM
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In reply to:
Put a ParaFoil into a full stall at about thirty feet from the ground trying to land right next to the hanger. That bought me a steel plate and eleven screws in my ankle. Luckily those things are so damn big they have some drag even when stalled, could have been a lot worse.

I buried the toggles, trying to flare a 7-TU.

Except for breaking a cute little bone in my foot, it worked okay.

Okay, so I forgot that RISERS are the hot tip if you have to yank down on something before landing a round. Toggles put you into a sink....


Blue skies,

Winsor


darkwing  (D 4164)

Sep 20, 2007, 6:43 PM
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This is an AWESOME post! There are things that I have done that I still beat myself up for (2 years later).... in fact one of them has kept me from going back to a favorite DZ out of embarrassment. This post might just help me move beyond that!!!!Wink

Anyone who hasn't embarrassed themselves at a DZ hasn't been jumping enough. You are obviously qualified. If I let embarrassment keep me from a DZ I'd have to find a new DZ about 6 times a year.


hongkongluna  (A 48878)

Sep 21, 2007, 8:51 AM
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Absolutely.

I landed in the swoop pond on my aff level 5 jump. After asking my instructor how deep it was on the way out to the boarding area. His response: Its deep, don't land there.

:)

The best/worst part was just the grins & nodding heads as I walked past vultures row by the old Great hall. (This was at the ranch). No one said anything, they just smiled and nodded as i walked past, water dripping from me all over, coming out of the shoes & mud all over me too....

classic moments :)


Baksteen  (C 708753)

Sep 24, 2007, 1:16 AM
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I must say, I'm mightily curious now..


Squeak  (E 1313)

Sep 24, 2007, 7:34 AM
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This is an AWESOME post! There are things that I have done that I still beat myself up for (2 years later).... in fact one of them has kept me from going back to a favorite DZ out of embarrassment. This post might just help me move beyond that!!!!Wink
I'll help ya get beyond it, I'll drag ya there Smile


mamajumps  (A License)

Sep 24, 2007, 12:56 PM
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This is an AWESOME post! There are things that I have done that I still beat myself up for (2 years later).... in fact one of them has kept me from going back to a favorite DZ out of embarrassment. This post might just help me move beyond that!!!!Wink
I'll help ya get beyond it, I'll drag ya there Smile

I guess come the end of the year, I will have to face it and go...something tells me your not going to take no for an answer....Wink


Jumpah  (D License)

Sep 25, 2007, 9:34 AM
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In reply to:
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This is an AWESOME post! There are things that I have done that I still beat myself up for (2 years later).... in fact one of them has kept me from going back to a favorite DZ out of embarrassment. This post might just help me move beyond that!!!!Wink
I'll help ya get beyond it, I'll drag ya there Smile

I guess come the end of the year, I will have to face it and go...something tells me your not going to take no for an answer....Wink

OH Dear GOD...just tell us...we won't tell...or laugh!

Wink


Andy_Copland  (A 105852)

Sep 25, 2007, 9:35 AM
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Got your water training done early Laugh


hongkongluna  (A 48878)

Sep 25, 2007, 11:00 AM
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My instructor signed me off for the water training....live action exercises count !


Andy_Copland  (A 105852)

Sep 25, 2007, 11:03 AM
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I would of loved to see that, congrats Laugh


bnacrazywoman  (D 24676)

Dec 9, 2007, 2:17 PM
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Okay, time for me to 'fess up. Let's start by saying don't try this at home, kids. Mr Jim, SGC DZO and chief pilot and a co-pilot were on their way to Cincinnati to support a demo jump down there and offered everyone at the DZ a free fly-away jump from about 9000 feet. There were 10 of us and since I planned on doing some style training I positioned myself to be the last out of the plane. As we were on our way up to jump altitude, I thought to myself that it might get a little cold in the airplane with that big jump door open, sooo, why don't I close it on the way out? So, that's what I attempted to do. After everyone else jumped out, I slid the door about 1/3 of the way down and eased myself under the door. I grabbed the float bar with my right hand making sure that I had one foot directly under the door so if it slid shut, it wouldn't hit hard and damage the door. As luck would have it my hand slipped off the float bar and the door slid down the rest of the way catching my foot and preventing my departure. So there I am surfing the breeze, banging my head on the under side of the Otter and thinking "it's a long way to Cincinnati and this is a stupid way to die!" I tried yanking my foot out, but it was caught pretty tightly. I then realized that the camera step was right next to me, so I grabbed it trying to get a better angle on the door when suddenly my foot slips out from under the door and I fall away free. Woo-hoo! I did a full style set and opened a bit high to make it back to the DZ. I did a nice standup landing in the middle of the pea pit and walked into the packing area like nothing out of the ordinary happened. Turns out Mr Jim saw the whole thing and had the co-pilot take the plane while he ran back and opened the door a few inches releasing me. I didn't get hurt in the process, just ended up with a huge bruise on the back of my right leg. When people asked me how I hurt myself, I just told them that I got my foot caught in a door.Crazy

Yeah, kinda dumb. For you SGC types, yes, I am the official winner of the 2007 Findleson Award.

BN


Lastchance  (B 28828)

Dec 12, 2007, 3:42 PM
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Shocked That would be a wild ride. Would like to see the video if there was one.
Ok, my turn. Doing a 4 point 4 way from 9000 ft. Break off alt. of 4000 ft. I relied on the other jumpers for the break off and never looked at my alti. It took longer than expected on the last point. We break off and I turn and track hard and long. Still didn't look at my alti. Reach for my pud and miss it . Reach again and miss it again. Reach the third time and get it out there. Open with my audible screaming in my ear. !800 ft and I'm not going to make it back to the DZ. We have a shotgun range right next to the airport and thats where I'm going. There is a small field right next to the range so I set up for my landing there. I make my landing listening to the pop, pop, pop of shotguns 200 feet away. Lots of lessons learned on that one.


AFFI  (D 25538)

Dec 13, 2007, 12:29 AM
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Lots of lessons learned on that one.

How did this experience improve your foundation of safe skydiving practices?

Which lessons did you learn?


Jwelborn  (B 30119)

Dec 13, 2007, 7:13 AM
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Since I'm not jumping for another week or so due to a car accident and want to keep my head in the game, let me see what lessons I can get from that. Please tell me the ones I miss. I know I have much to learn and would rather learn from others experience than by hurting myself.

1. You are always responsible for your own safety no matter how many people you are jumping with.

2. ALWAYS be altitude aware. An audible doesn't help if you are concentrating on something else hard enough to tune it out.

3. After 2 unsuccessful attempts at deploying main, pull your reserve.

4. Find out in advance what hazards each jump run will have you flying over, then make a plan to avoid them. (With my very limited experience, this might mean staying on the ground till the wind shifts)

What didn't I see?


Lastchance  (B 28828)

Dec 13, 2007, 8:52 AM
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Biggest lesson was not to rely on others for the break off. I have to be aware of my own altitude. 2nd, I didn't need to track so far. I lost more altitude doing that. 3rd, Iwas relying on my audible and did not hear my fiirst 2 warnings. Again, I have to be aware of my altitude. Last after 2 tries trying to find my throw out I was below my decision altitude. I should have gone for my reserve rather than wasting time trying to find my handle. Bottom line is I lost altitude awareness. Altitude is my friend. I normally open high just cause I love to fly my parachute. Not that time. That was my lowest opening ever. I did forget to mention that the winds had picked up considerably from the time we to off to the time we jumped. When I tracked I was tracking with the wind.


(This post was edited by Lastchance on Dec 13, 2007, 9:02 AM)


chrismgtis  (B 32561)

Dec 13, 2007, 10:03 AM
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Yeah, kinda dumb. For you SGC types, yes, I am the official winner of the 2007 Findleson Award.

BN

LMAO. Sorry. Tongue I just always wondered if anyone ever tried that. Laugh


p_mckenna

Dec 16, 2007, 11:08 AM
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Perfect, nobody is perfect. Great action from one fellow skydiver


lippy  (D 30348)

Dec 16, 2007, 5:36 PM
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When I had a little more then 200 jumps we went up in a 182 looking for a hole in solid clouds from 4K up to 7K. We were at 9000' and the guy spotting looked at us, pointed east and said "the DZ's 2 miles THAT way boys, we're going tracking!" and he bailed. I didn't think twice and chased him out, followed him into the clouds tracking my ass off.

Came out of the clouds on the bottom end and the first thing I see is his parachute coming out in what seemed like the exact location I was heading for.

After tracking balls-out for over 5000' I pitched in half a second. Bruised my ribs up pretty bad. Just because somebody has 5000 jumps doesn't mean you should chase them out of a plane without a second thoughtCrazy

My "Really" stupid thing I've done is best shared over a beer and a showing of the videoTongue


siddacious  (C 37735)

Dec 18, 2007, 1:28 PM
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Most recently:
3 point 4-way from ~4.3k . In the saddle by 1200ft. Lesson learned? Don't due 4way from 4k. What scares me is that it didn't scare me as much as:

Tucking in to close ~50ft of vertical distance to another jumper who was flying on his back, and then narrowly avoiding another jumper that I didn't see until the last minute by doing a track into a front loop. Very stupid. Lesson learned: Don't get so excited that you loose track of the people around you.

and more regularly;
Loosing altitude awareness due to relying on my audible. I should be checking my alti regularly, regardless of how many audibles I have. Fortunately I've never pulled low due to this. Lesson learned: I need to reduce my "arousal level" to the point that I can take not of my altitude more regularly.


in2jumping  (C License)

Dec 18, 2007, 3:42 PM
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Doing some back flying and decided that I would start my pull as I was rolling out of it, thought I could stable before letting go of my PC. Deployed head low and to the left and the dbag clipped my right heal sending it spinning, thought for sure that I was going to have to cut away the Stiletto I was flying, but it opened with 5 line twist but flew it self out of them.

pull
pull at altitude
pull STABLE


(This post was edited by in2jumping on Dec 18, 2007, 6:14 PM)


FLJB  (D 30113)

Dec 18, 2007, 5:05 PM
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Dude:

Not to be a dick, but i am pretty sure it is

Pull.
Pull at the correct altitude.
pull while stable.

You may understand this, but what about someone who does not know any better...


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Dec 18, 2007, 5:11 PM
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>pull
>pull STABLE
>pull at altitude

If you get stable at 200 feet and pull then, it doesn't matter whether you are stable or not; you will still die. That's why "pull at altitude" comes before "pull stable."

Of course, if you have the altitude, being stable is a good idea.


in2jumping  (C License)

Dec 18, 2007, 6:26 PM
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Dude:

Not to be a dick, but i am pretty sure it is

Pull.
Pull at the correct altitude.
pull while stable.

You may understand this, but what about someone who does not know any better...

I was just testing you guys. Wink


(This post was edited by in2jumping on Dec 18, 2007, 6:26 PM)


azureriders  (D 28830)

Dec 18, 2007, 7:37 PM
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LMAO. Sorry. I just always wondered if anyone ever tried that.

I have closed an otter door on a couple of departure flight jump runs. Like most things it is not that hard with some planing and thought. I can ease it down, no slamming, no snagging, and free to fall if I were to drop it. Just takes a little effort.


skyhpp  (C 840)

Dec 19, 2007, 3:22 AM
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Aahhhh.....the sweet memories of opening in a track - the delightful S-L-A-M-M-E-R opening, the three broken lines, followed by the (wait for it) auspicious decision NOT to chop, but to rather land in the peas - where it would be soft....Crazy

Thanks to my "canopy's" new improved sink rate, I didn't make it to the peas, and landed on a hard gravel road instead - I managed to pull off one of the the best PLF's ever seen, and "walked" away with a massively bruised thigh PiratePirate (we are talking deep purple in colour and the size of a side plate) - it could just as well have been a broken femur or spine. Darwin award stuff.....Crazy


airathanas  (D 29277)

Dec 19, 2007, 1:18 PM
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followed by the (wait for it) auspicious decision NOT to chop, but to rather land in the peas - where it would be soft....Crazy

I managed to pull off one of the the best PLF's ever seen, and "walked" away with a massively bruised thigh PiratePirate (we are talking deep purple in colour and the size of a side plate) - it could just as well have been a broken femur or spine. Darwin award stuff.....Crazy

And I thought the no flare landing I had as a student was stupid.


rustymurray  (B 607)

Dec 19, 2007, 2:20 PM
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A little off topic but -
Started skydiving in July in UK, 60 jumps by December, completely hooked, got my own rig. Then UK winter arrived. High winds, closed DZs, black skies, constant rain, utterly miserable and depressing. I'm missing it and the tunnel is no substitute.

So I went and bought a Kawasaki ZX10R for £8000 and I can't afford it.
Good substitute!My bigget f##k up so far,and there have been many,was jump number 30 was in oz on holidays and visited a dropzone outside Sydney,rented gear that the container was way too small for me,didn't walk the landing area or ask to see arial photo,just hoped in the skyvan.when I deployed I could not find the dropzone until around 1000ft and then I realised it was on the other side of a very busy highway,probably could have made it back but bottled it and looked for somewhere else to land,ended up in a field full of angry looking cattle with a downwind landing,wasn't hurt luckily.Got a helpful lecture of a tandemmaster on the same load about what to look out for at a new dropzone


Lastchance  (B 28828)

Dec 21, 2007, 4:21 PM
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Angry looking cattle eh. Is that the same as Mad Cow?Wink


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kschilk

Dec 22, 2007, 6:47 AM
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Angry looking cattle eh. Is that the same as Mad Cow?Wink

Whuffo cows, obviously.


kenneth21441  (B License)

Dec 22, 2007, 12:24 PM
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I must say getting married that first time.

What a winner she was!!


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Dec 22, 2007, 7:24 PM
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Ok I just read threw all the posts. Its nice to see that everyone makes mistakes and lives on this tread at least LOL I had around 210 jumps and was jumping a camera for about 40. Yea I know lol anyways wanted to get a video of a friends opening. Well he planed to pull in place around 4500 feet so I went to my back right before that. My didder goes off and he is sitting looking at me for a couple then starts to track. I was so cought up in getting his opening that I wondered why he was tracking and I forgot where I was. My didder goes off again on my hard deck witch was 2000 and I was still on my back looking at him. It took me a couple seconds to realize that the alarm was not turning off flipped over and pulled. I was under canopy at a little under 1000ft. The real fucked up part of this was I forgot to turn my AAD on. Realized that when i went to pack


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AFFI  (D 25538)

Dec 22, 2007, 7:43 PM
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Quote:
so cought up in getting his opening that I wondered why he was tracking and I forgot where I was.
Been there...


(This post was edited by AFFI on Dec 22, 2007, 8:43 PM)


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Dec 22, 2007, 7:46 PM
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Yep this is the spot for stupid things right Cool


Lastchance  (B 28828)

Dec 26, 2007, 11:53 AM
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Shocked That one had to get you thinking when it was all over.


smears  (D 31541)

Dec 31, 2007, 7:47 AM
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One of the many stupid things I've done was on my first 5 sec delay, just coming off static line. I climbed out on the strut, let go and didn't arch. Cut 3 flips before getting stable. Once I got stable I remembered I was suppose to count to 5 before pulling. I counted to 3 before realizing how big the ground looked. Crazy I think I finally pulled around 1800 ft. My jumpmaster thought my AAD fired and started cussing me out for not pulling when I got on the ground. That's when I told him I did pull, just really low Blush.
One of the funniest parts was the other student in the 182 was also doing her first 5 sec delay. She was freaking out knowing it had been way over 5 seconds and both the jumpmaster and pilot were looking worried with their heads stuck out the door. After about 15-20 seconds (once I pulled), the jumpmaster looks at her and says "Your turn!" She pulled about 1 second off the strut Laugh


Gonejumpingl  (B 31008)

Jan 7, 2008, 4:07 PM
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Amen!!!WinkCool


bdqpdx2000  (A 52016)

Jan 25, 2008, 12:30 AM
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Jump #35: I picked up a Dolphin D4 container + Tempo 170 reserve at a boogie a few weeks ago. Second ride on the rig and I have a hard (impossible) pull. Yay for first reserve ride! A BOC mod both I and the rigger missed combined with the way the PC was packed caused a bottleneck when I tried to deploy my main. On the ground people were dragging me around by my half-out pilot chute -- it was in there real good. Blush $100 and a new BOC later and everything was fine... but I really should have inspected it a little more carefully beforehand.

Jump #26: Fixated on my "planned" approach and landing on a light/no wind day. I broke the pattern and just missed a kid with 16 jumps coming in on his final, which was almost perpendicular to mine. Everyone landed safely but by the time I undid my helmet I got a pretty nice "talking to" by one of the instructors on that load. Last time I make that mistake...


Baksteen  (C 708753)

Jan 25, 2008, 12:51 AM
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So what was wrong with the BOC mod? Did you find out at all?

Did you get your pilot halfway out, or not at all when you tried to deploy?

Also I am interested to know whether or not you cut away your "closed container malfunction". Not to critisice, merely for comparison to what I did when it happened to me.


bdqpdx2000  (A 52016)

Jan 25, 2008, 1:18 AM
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I got the pilot halfway out when I tried to deploy. We took a real good look at it once I got on the ground. The previous owner put in two stitches, about 1/2" long, parallel to the long end of the BOC. They were placed about 1/4" away from the BOC opening and about 1/2" in from the long side. The rigger who examined it afterwards said it may have been done to keep the PC in better.

When the rigger packed my main, he folded up the PC in a way that didn't evenly distribute the fabric -- it was really fat on one end and really skinny on the other. If it weren't for those stitches, or if the PC were folded evenly, it wouldn't have happened. Both of those conditions together caused the bottleneck.

I didn't cut away since I didn't have a main over my head. There was actually a fair bit of debate about whether or not that was the best decision among the people who saw it happen. I was later told that the shock from opening the reserve at terminal could have caused the main container to open. With or without a cutaway, if the main did open I would still be towing it behind me since I couldn't get the PC out. I'm really not sure if not cutting away was the best choice or not, but either way I'm here in one piece to tell about it. (Note to self: hold on to the reserve handle next time...)

So what's your "closed container malfunction" story?


Baksteen  (C 708753)

Jan 25, 2008, 2:49 AM
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I've already posted the short version of that story some time ago.

If you're really interested or haven't got anything better to do I can PM you the long version. Wink


JohanW  (D 86318)

Jan 25, 2008, 7:28 AM
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(Note to bdqpdx2k: You, my friend, are way more expensive than a reserve ripcord. Oh, and get a more userfriendly username Tongue)

You may want to discuss the scenario where the main opens after a main no/half-pull and subsequent reserve pull with a rigger or an instructor. You might or might not be towing it. It's slightly different from a pilotchute-in-tow, which is another but separate good subject for a discussion with a rigger or instructor.

I now expect half of Duh Innernet to fall over each other explaining possibilities and the relative merits of cutting away the main first or not. The second half will be an entirely different discussion, right up there with the periodic RSL debates of course. Let me just say Schrödinger's Cat is definitely alive.

Glad you made it OK. Great opportunity to learn from it.


Lastchance  (B 28828)

Jan 26, 2008, 11:21 AM
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I just got the chance to read your short version of your ditch landing. Excellent choice not to turn low. I watched a seasoned jumper to a 90 degree low turn to avoid an irrigation ditch and he ended up with a broken back and will never jump again.Frown


meteor  (D 27035)

Jan 28, 2008, 7:50 AM
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On approx jump #600, a night jump, I had my strobe on a cord that was tied to my hip ring. the cord was long enough to hang the strobe below my feet under canopy. during exit and free fall, the excess cord was wrapped around the strobe and the whole deal tucked neatly in the top of my jumpsuit. This arrangement worked well on numerous night jumps until this one. While in FF the cord unwrapped from the strobe and snaked out of my jumpsuit. So I had this nice long loop of cord from my hip ring to the top of my jumpsuit. After a cool three way belly, we broke, tracked and when I reached for the hackey I felt something odd as I grabbed it. When I pitched the pilot chute I looked over my shoulder to see the PC spin around the strobe cord a half dozen times. Nothing out!! I reached back and felt the container and it was closed so I pulled the reserve ripcord. Best opening EVER!! Then the scary part, I felt my main D-bag hit the back of my legs!!! After a couple of tries, I caught it between my legs and held it until landing. The canopy flight is another long post of fear and realization. This is only one of several examples of my "Stupid Things".


Bolas  (D License)

Jan 28, 2008, 7:58 AM
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Done something similar on night jump. My rig has an old leg mount pocket. I tied a glow stick to a cord and the other to my rig and put it in that pocket.

When we broke off I tracked away I reached for the hackey through the cord. Unsure Luckily I felt the cord and pulled my hand back and went around it for an uneventful deployment and landing. Was very grateful we broke off high. Smile


Joellercoaster  (D 105792)

Jan 31, 2008, 12:55 PM
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Jump 249.

Fairly high winds.

Almost last out doing a 2-way with a new A-license friend, so we were pretty long by opening time. I compounded it by dicking around with my chest strap and visor, and wandered quite a way off the wind line.

Hanging out on rears all the way back, gotta get back, gotta get back...

Entered the pattern from the wrong side, cutting someone off on their base leg. The winds were high and turning into wind was going to be a bit too much turn too quick, so even a flat turn got me pushed out over the runway. I let it carry me over the runway at about 50 feet and flared along the grass verge, cursing and kicking myself.

Gathered my stuff and went to kneel over at the gateway from the student landing area on that side. Watched the plane land not too long after.

The worst part was expecting to get a bollocking from the CCI, only to find he'd been watching a group of students doing some terrible collective canopy handling and wanted to talk to them, having completely missed my far-worse infraction - so having to explain what I'd done and why I was talking to him at all.

This was last weekend, and I'm still embarrassed.


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ROK  (D 30092)

Feb 7, 2008, 6:31 AM
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Night jump #3...

I sat through the briefing again even though I knew that I was "experienced".

We sat around waiting for the weather to clear, it was storming big time. It cleared nicely and we went up and did an awesome 4-way. Got under canopy and I was mesmerized by the towering clouds in the distance. It was sheer beauty. Life couldn't be any better!

Got back with no problems, set up to land, and it was really dark. No problem, I've done this before!

I forgot one small detail. TAKE OFF YOUR GOGGLES WHEN YOU GET UNDER CANOPY!

About 50' above the ground on final, my goggles fogged over 100%. By the time I thought "oh sht" I landed like a lawn dart without flaring, or flaring just a little from impact.

Walked up to the deck and the pilot walked up and said that the plane window fogged up so bad that the heater in the plane couldn't keep up with it. He had to stick his head out the window to land.

I felt a little "weird". Excused myself, jumped on my 800lb Harley, got about half way home and discovered that I no longer had the use of my left arm. I broke my shoulder.

6 weeks later...I got to jump again. Details matter...


jwynne  (D License)

Feb 10, 2008, 7:02 PM
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Well, speaking of night jumps. Here's one from years ago. Pre cypress and dyter days, guess why.

Night 2 way with another jumper I didn't know well. I had a chem light taped to my wrist altimeter, but it was flapping and I never could read it. Turned a few points glancing a few times at my altimeter, but I couldn't see shit. Stopped the dive & just tried to read my alitimeter unsuccessfully. Glanced down & pulled because I got ground rush at night. Just enough time to grab my brakes, flare & put my feet on the ground.

The other jumper floated up when I stopped the dive flow and pulled when she saw me pull. I later learned she generally counted on others for altitude awareness and stopped jumping shortly after.

Pretty scarey and the closest I've come to dead skydiving.


airathanas  (D 29277)

Feb 12, 2008, 10:30 AM
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In reply to:

I forgot one small detail. TAKE OFF YOUR GOGGLES WHEN YOU GET UNDER CANOPY!

This is most stupid thing that I've done and I'm still ashamed of it.

Sunset load: for some reason it was decided that we should change the landing direction 180 degrees. I took note of it but apparently my brain didn't hold that vital piece of info. I was wearing sunglasses instead of my Z1. For some strange reason we were at 13.5 for almost 5 minutes- or longer. It took forever for the red light to come on. I wasn't thinking about landing direction. I was thinking, "I want to get out of this airplane before the sun goes down!" We finally jumped, I opened up and the sun had indeed went down. I couldn't see anything and I was afraid to take off the helmet to remove my sunglasses because I didn't want to drop it. When I was under canopy in the playground, I was thinking, "Where is everybody?" So I come in for my landing and I still can't see shit. Just as I'm coming in for a landing, someone comes in for their landing, rushing by me. I completely forgot that landing direction was changed for that load. Me and that other jumper were almost killed. UnimpressedUnsure

The funny part is, the DZO saw it happen, and he was yelling at the other guy! Everyone was ok and noone was mad at me. I'm still embarassed and realize that no matter how many jumps someone may have we are still vulnerable to making even simple mistakes.


Mikhail  (D License)

Mar 7, 2008, 4:54 PM
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"Two Are Not Better Than One"

May 5, 2007 on a drop zone far-far away. First jump of the day, my 32nd total. I'm on my way to altitude for a hop-n-pop with 3 others who shall remain forever nameless. At about two grand, it dawns on me: I did not turn on the AAD. Hello! I'm contemplating riding the plane down, but decide to consult my fellow jumpers (what do I know, I'm a student with 20 jumps on solo status). Exhibiting the highest form of human intelligence, we conclude that it won't hurt to turn on the little magic black box. Let me just lean forward and ask my buddy here to go fishing down my spine. Got it? Sweet! Now let's pretend that never happened.

Well, nothing does happen. I get out at 5500ft and dump right out the door as was originally planned. I catch some freaky canopy bucking and folding action in bad air 50-100ft off the ground (didn't anybody teach me to stay on the ground in gusty conditions?), land, walk into the hangar, and drop the rig off for the packer.

It's time to gear up for my second jump. Going to log some freefall this time around. Bubbling over with anticipation. As for the AAD, them digital altimeters recalibrate to ground level automatically, don't they? Yeah, they do. The AAD *must* do the same!

Fast forward to me burning a hole in the sky. Practicing a few freefall maneuvers; life is peachy. Wave off and throw at 4000ft. While the main is deploying, I can't help but notice that something is different, as if I'm seeing more lines than normal. The main is now open and lo and behold, there it is: my reserve, still in the freebag, swinging at full line length immediately below me. Fuck. Next thing I know, I get yanked like a ragdoll, and find my main on the horizon in front of me, and my reserve evidently behind me. The downplane is now rotating. The main lines are nicely spun up all the way up the risers, uncomfortably close to my neck. I make a futile attempt to do something about said risers, meanwhile noticing a passing thought that this could actually end badly. Finally, I look down, grab the cutaway handle with both hands, punch, and promptly manage to drop it. I swing under my beautiful yellow reserve and proceed to land off into a neighbouring field while the jettisoned gear lands in the peas (nice spot, huh).

Moral of the story: know your equipment. Please. Want to jump with an AAD? RTFM. Turning the AAD on at altitude is blatantly moronic, but the lack of automatic recalibration is a finer point. Some still turn on their AADs before driving to the DZ.


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 10, 2008, 8:38 PM
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I jumped demo.
We jumped from helicopter. Mi-8. We flew from 100 kilometers away, Helicopter did a low fly-by over LZ to allow us to zero our altimeters (approx). When heli reached 1000 meters we jumped. We landed in a planned area. When we landed everyone congratulated us on superb and accurate jump. They said that we were the best because we had the skill to miss the mine field.

What mine field we asked?

Well you know, the "mine field". Even the chopper missed it.
It appears that no one informed us of any minefield, and that we were happy that our heli pilots missed the little buggers when they landed.
That`s all. It comes with the territory when you live in Bosnia... I guess.


Lindsey  (D 17865)

Mar 10, 2008, 9:06 PM
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I don't know. Maybe I'm being silly for suggesting it, but I'm thinking that in BOSNIA, of all places, mine fields are something you might ASK about if you're not already aware of where they are???? Am I missing something?


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 11, 2008, 4:05 AM
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No, you are not silly.
It was one of those situations with a lot of assumptions (...and we all know that assumption is mother of all f*ckups).

- The event was organized by military back in a day when there was no Google Earth, so we were informed about the LZ via military map. The info was something like: "LZ is the size of a soccer field, with no obstacles in the vicinity, so it`s piece of cake for you guys."

- It was some church opening event with lots of people so we assumed that there are no mines.

- No one from the civilian people told the army guys that there are minefields near. They assumed that army already know and Army didn`t know...

One might think that the land mines are layed everywhere in the country like Bosnia, but that is not the case. Mines are usually layed in the areas where there was frontline as an insurance between trenches etc. So you usually don`t consider mines as a threat. No one told us that frontline was just next field to LZ.

Plus, if we forget the mines, the whole situation was bad. Jumping into terrain which we were not familiar. Setting our altimeters on a low flyby. Very small wind indicator. Very bad target mark...
I think that all of the above qualifies this jump for this thread (STUPID!).
OTOH we were lucky! And we didn`t do sh*t like that again.

I once more jumped in the minefield vicinity.
It was in Croatia. Bad spot and strong winds made our canopies fly backwards. We were all landing out, so I picked a spot on the dirt road and landed. One guy landed to my right, and the other one to my left, not on the road, but in the field. Do I need to say that both fields on my left and right were mine fields. You can tell by those little signs with skeleton head. But, then again, they are putting those signs everywhere where they assume that can be mines. So, nothing happened. We were sooo far from the DZ that no one even consider that this is going to be an issue.
It can get interesting in these parts of the world...


Sletzer  (B 31200)

Mar 11, 2008, 8:16 AM
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That sucks, I can see this scenario unfolding:

Wew, I can't believe I came out of that malfunction with barely a scratch! Damn that was scary, glad I survived. All I have to do now is walk across this field and ....... Crazy

You guys stay safe out there!


mircan  (D 32291)

Mar 11, 2008, 9:39 AM
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It was similar scenario because we were landing out, so that can maybe be considered as "wow-we-are-safe-now-because-we-found-this-nice-little-field-to-land" moment.

Two other guys didn`t notice little Skeletor signs until they were next to me on the road.
Wink


livenletfly  (D 28096)

Mar 11, 2008, 4:59 PM
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i had 250 jumps my first visit to sdaz. standing at the loading area alone a guy came up and asked if i wanted to do a 2 way. being new to fflying and taught to be carefull who you freefly with my response was, "are you any good, how many jumps do you have"
the guy was very cool in his reply, "some think im o.k"

it was Mike Ortiz! lol


Sletzer  (B 31200)

Mar 25, 2008, 2:52 PM
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My third pack job- had learned two weeks before when I had packed & jumped it twice.

Two weeks later I show up and jump, proceed to pack (er, do I flake here?) was a little rusty but I remembered all the steps and got it in the bag first try. Now we go to me closing the flaps. I remembered the "father son holy ghost" catholic cross and thought up, down, left, right. Didn't remember I had decided it was KINDA like the catholic cross two weeks before and realy should be down, up, left, right (Javelin)

A very experienced jumper gives me a pin check (the pin was in Wink) then I'm off to the plane. Exit solo at 14K, track 10 seconds, front flip, front flip, what the hell is beating on my back? Oh, that's just the bag out of the container getting tossed around ... wait a sec! Reach for PC, bam, under canopy at 10K. The force of the air on the bag deployed my PC before I could get my hand on it. I had a great view of the groups before & after me diving and deploying a mile below me Crazy Pretty much a horseshoe mal, albeit a short one. On the good side, I had planned to do canopy stalls, and I had PLENTY of time to do a series of stalls, then eveything else I could think of.

The best we can figure the airflow from the two flips somehow caught the top flap and pushed it open enough to release the pin, releasing the bag. I'm just glad I was pre- "A" license (@20 jumps) and was going solo. Imagine a group dive with that happening.....


DougH  (D License)

Mar 25, 2008, 3:03 PM
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Have a rigger check out your closing loop too.


brianfry713  (D 28665)

Mar 25, 2008, 7:39 PM
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Doesn't everyone learn Big Titty Rich Lady? Bottom Top Right Left. Although on a Jav it's supposed to be Left Right, if you close it the other way it will still work.


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

Mar 27, 2008, 7:49 PM
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I was on jump #35 or so, and we'd been getting out at 8000ft due to the crappy weather that day. I think it was jump #3 or 4 that day, and without asking I assumed that we were still going to get out @ 8000ft as we had before (stupid!!). I watched the first team go out (which was a CRW team btw). Checked the spot which looked unfamiliar as we were so off jump run, but again instead of asking I just decided it'd be fine and to just go (have I mentioned, stupid?!). I remember hearing someone yell "Wait" or something of that nature as I exited, but by that time I was out already. So....did I pull high and make it back?? Nope (that again would have been the smart thing to do), I pulled @ 3200ft and landed in a dirt field several miles off the dz (luckily there are a ton of outs in Eloy). Got picked up by one of the nice guys from the dz and have not heard the end of it in the three yrs since (rightfully so!!). Lesson learned; if you dont know ask do not assume!!!! Wink


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Premier likestojump  (D License)

Apr 11, 2008, 1:45 PM
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got a Vampire wingsuit - and figured that ROL PC mount is not necessary - lucky for me, I did my practice pulls at 8K - and deployed by 3K - had to use BOTH hands and tips of my fingers to reach the PC in the BOC and somehow get it out. Next jump put a shrivel flap on and the PC was ALWAYS on my leg.


hongkongluna  (A 48878)

Apr 12, 2008, 5:24 AM
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In reply to:
...I remember hearing someone yell "Wait" or something of that nature as I exited, but by that time I was out already. So...

This has to be the best thing I've read all day. Thanks for sharing! Thats a skydiving Leroy Jenkins. AWESOME!!!!


grabiarz  (B License)

Apr 20, 2008, 1:08 PM
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Stupid things... had a few in my short career in the sport:
-Jumps 33-35 (still no A license at that point) I was not stowing the breaks properly, toggles before the little ring on risers instead of behind it, thankfully the elastic bands held it together until I learned better
-Jump 48 pull at 3000' (I usually pull at 3.5-4k) as the canopy is opening I hear my dytter flat line. I thought that it was set to 2500' checked later and it was 2000'(oops..) Thank God I didn't have a malfunction, this one had potential to be really painful given my experience level..
-Jump 52 tightened my chest strap went to the bathroom for a sec since I still had time. Went back to the plane, as I was about to board someone pointed out I forgot to put my legstraps on (and I thought this would never happen to me..)


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simonw  (A 1274)

Apr 20, 2008, 1:54 PM
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Jump #30 2nd jump on my own rig. skydive was going good... pulled my chute, canopy opened no problems. Released brakes and my right toggle came off the line :S its a docile 170 so didn't cut away and just steered using my rear risers. Unfortunately didnt think logically and find out where the stall point was using risers high up in the air. started my final circuit and hoped to do a left hand circuit due to still having a left toggle and it requiring much less effort to turn but someone was in the way so ended up doing a right hand circuit on my risers doing a very uneffective flare due to not knowing how much it required (and not wanting to stall it). after a hard landing started getting an earful from dzso until i held up my toggle :S. Next time i jump i plan on seeing what the rear riser stall point is when i am high up in the air :) (Thanks to it being fixed by the DZSO)


NoShitThereIWas  (D 25347)

Apr 20, 2008, 11:45 PM
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This was a great thread to start. I am getting a kick out of reading some of the responses. As for me, hmmm. If we are relating this to skydiving, here are my top three:

Jump 25ish: (Skydive Monterey Bay) The winds were too high, I landed on the tarmak and proceeded to get dragged across it while fighting my canopy (which was rental gear). Out of the corner of my eye I managed to see the van filled with friends and spectators shaking their heads and my DZO calculating the cost of new gear. Pirate

Jump 40ish: (Skydive Monterey Bay) This was probably my worst and most dangerous. Docking on an 8 Way, the next point was for me to "move forward" to my buddy across the BFR and dock. I guess I thought he was farther than he was because I tracked. CrazyShocked Luckily it was Sunset Bill with thousands of jumps and he saw me coming, managed to duck out of the formation and I went right over the top of him. Blush

Jump 300 or so: (Skydive Chicago)
Tried to get back from a long spot, decided to go for it, ended up too low to turn, didn't make the DZ and downwinded it on the pavement in 15+mph winds. I thank my gloves on that day, when I got up, they were shredded but my hands were fine.


(This post was edited by NoShitThereIWas on Apr 21, 2008, 12:15 AM)


agent_lead  (D 29342)

Apr 22, 2008, 5:48 AM
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i had been told by someone i respected that when you track away from the group you can look between your legs to see where everyone else went...

so on my next jump..musta been like jump # 120 or so..i did just that

however i dug my head down so deeply that it spun me over and i started flailing and flipping and spinning out of control...i was open by 2grand..

that was fucking scary


Nickkk  (C 35901)

Apr 22, 2008, 11:32 AM
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that was awesome :)


VincentVL.  (Student)

Apr 28, 2008, 9:33 AM
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Last saturday, AFF level 3 or 4, I discovered that (my more experienced) neighbour in the jumplane, was jumping a broken altimeter. We were at 12.000 feet, just about to jump and it was still stuck at ground level.

I felt like a dick as my AFFI just shook his headCrazy


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DougH  (D License)

Apr 28, 2008, 9:44 AM
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Why did you feel like a dick for trying to be helpful and pointing out a possible equipment malfunction.

It is a good habit to keep an eye on other jumpers and their gear. I am constantly eyeing down every jumpers gear that I have clean view of.

I have caught a miss routed chest strap and a rsl clipped into the three rings just by keeping my eyes open.


pilotdave  (D License)

Apr 28, 2008, 10:07 AM
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Didja miss the whole 12,000 feet/ground level part? It was funny. Smile

Stupidest thing I've done is took the USPA/UPT tandem course and passed. Tongue

Dave


Sletzer  (B 31200)

Apr 28, 2008, 10:10 AM
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Don't feel bad, I did that once too. One guy started pointing at my alti and told me to check it. I looked down, it read 0....... aka 12 grand. Cut to me furiously tapping on the glass to get it going againCrazy

After all was said and done I walked over and thanked the guy for scaring the shit out of me- I'm more more altitude aware in the plane now. Funny thing was, I never broke stride in my two way jump plan, I was just gonna look at the other guys alti. Smile

BTW, thanks for that "The Don" You got me pretty good.


DougH  (D License)

Apr 28, 2008, 11:43 AM
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In reply to:
Didja miss the whole 12,000 feet/ground level part? It was funny. Smile

Stupidest thing I've done is took the USPA/UPT tandem course and passed. Tongue

Dave

Oh yeah right! I forget about that, my altimeters are either digital, or they go way past 12. Laugh


mircan  (D 32291)

Apr 28, 2008, 12:14 PM
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Non skydiving related:
"using flash memory instead of a door key"


FlyingBlueJay  (D 30804)

Apr 28, 2008, 3:24 PM
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Packed my altimeter in my main last week. Hop n' pop at 4, dump... what the hell is that bird doing... oops, that's not a bird... that's my altimeter hauling ass towards the ground. I followed it down until my canopy decided to take me for a ride and my attention was needed elsewhere!


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

Apr 29, 2008, 9:07 PM
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Funny and scary as hell @ the same time Crazy!! Thanks for sharing and glad were alright!!


MajorDad  (D 579)

Apr 29, 2008, 10:34 PM
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Being in the Base on a 22 way-zoo load with a Frappe Hat.

Bowling for Buddies......


Chubba  (A 10160)

Apr 29, 2008, 11:14 PM
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AFF2, not understanding basic canopy patterns or wind in general... my radio failed and I flew 3km downwind out of the dropzone.

In the end I was trying to get back (over roads + powerlines), I'm lucky at 300ft it dropped me into somebodies backyard nicely (stand up landing would you believe) another 200ft and I would have landed into a set of powerlines...

I was "aiming" for the dropzone the entire time, I'm just lucky the dropzone was into the wind and I floated down nicely.

Pure luck, if I turned a bit higher back to the dropzone when I realised the radio failed I would have approached into the road/powerlines, and I would have properly made a low 180 toggle whip and crashed.


kj126  (D 28079)

Apr 30, 2008, 1:30 PM
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Just wondering when the stupidity ends:
So about jump 250 under a sabre 170, tried a 180 hook, seperated my ribs.
Tried another hook into an of DZ landing on a windy day and just got my feet over the power lines.(pucker factor really high)
Pulled a down wind landing with winds @ 12knts on a velo 96, broke my tail bone when I hit a small hump in the dirt.
I think I'll stop thier, before I look really stupid.


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

Apr 30, 2008, 9:18 PM
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In reply to:
Packed my altimeter in my main last week. Hop n' pop at 4, dump... what the hell is that bird doing... oops, that's not a bird... that's my altimeter hauling ass towards the ground. I followed it down until my canopy decided to take me for a ride and my attention was needed elsewhere!

HAHA; OMG that is too damn funny!! Thanks so much for sharing! LaughLaughLaughLaugh


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

Apr 30, 2008, 9:36 PM
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AFF2, not understanding basic canopy patterns or wind in general... my radio failed and I flew 3km downwind out of the dropzone.



I had a very similar situation on AFF3, although my radio actually fell off. Came out of the plane, did my hotel check and promptly de-arched on exit (OOPS)!! My poor instructor spent most of the jump trying to pull my legs out, as I had then gone fetal and pulled my body into a ball just because I was sooo freaked out!! Ended up relaxing a bit and by 9000ft I was stable and was able to pull for myself @ 5000. Looked down once I was under canopy and realized that my radio was GONE (PANIC!!!!). Sometime during the fight to get my legs out, it'd been knocked out of the holder attached to my cheststrap. I too was very lucky and ended up landing just off the student landing area. On a side note, the radio was found somewhere in the middle of the desert and was still in working order Tongue!! Glad that you landed OK as well!!


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ksudiver87  (C 38895)

May 5, 2008, 7:08 AM
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I use our club gear while i'm searching for my own. i weigh about 105 lbs and jumped a 230. Winds were higher up top than expected. faced into the wind the intire time still got blown backwards about 1/2 a mile, had to turn and run with the wind to avoid the river. Lesson learned-eat my twinkies before i jump the 230 again. =)


GreyLake  (D 29140)

May 8, 2008, 11:22 PM
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Twinkies? An anvil might serve you better!

I weigh about 117 and the other day the boss and I were debating whether or not I should test jump a 170 for him. The ground winds got to about 16 kts or so, and I refrained from jumping the 170. I've gone backwards under smaller stuff.

Of course, winds aloft are a different beast, but must also be considered when jumping something that's going to keep you floating up there a while!

One of the most important things I've learned in skydiving is knowing when to stay on the ground.


mrwrong  (C 19515)

May 14, 2008, 7:06 AM
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On the 50 jump something.
After a solo jump I pulled my PC at 3’300 ft and reached for the risers during inflation.
Accidental I got a hold of my toggles instead of the risers. Of course I released them in the process.
Got a good scare when my big ass canopy (PD 7 cell 218sqf) was twisting wildly from side to side (yes, even a big ass 218 can do that) above my head due to it now was ‘unbraked’. Pulled down my toggles and was looking for the next set of handles ‘just in case’.
I got away with it that time and I stopped reaching for my risers after that.


(This post was edited by mrwrong on May 14, 2008, 10:06 AM)


GreyLake  (D 29140)

May 14, 2008, 3:13 PM
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I'm a riser grabber, but I can't imagine how you might accidentally grab your toggles and release them. Was it just a matter of getting your hands or fingers in there just so? In both?


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

May 14, 2008, 8:30 PM
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Jump 300 or so: (Skydive Chicago)
Tried to get back from a long spot, decided to go for it, ended up too low to turn, didn't make the DZ and downwinded it on the pavement in 15+mph winds. I thank my gloves on that day, when I got up, they were shredded but my hands were fine.

I did almost the same thing just recently when I was jumping out @ Sydney Skydivers in Picton. Spent so much time trying to make it back that when I got there, I didnt have enough altitude left to turn and had a nasty downwinder that left a hole in my jumpsuit and bruises on both of my knees. Lesson learned; wont do that again Crazy


mrwrong  (C 19515)

May 15, 2008, 9:55 AM
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To be honest, I DO grab my risers now again. But I'm VERY careful of where I put my hands. I tend to grab the risers ver low down now, just a few (4-5) inces above the 3-rings.

On that occasion when the shit almost hit the fan (and then me) I actually grabbed the risers very high up and that's why I managed to release the toggles. It was more or less a 'hands up - grab whatever I found - and THEN look at what I grabbed' (too late).

I do NOT look up at my canopy before it's completely inflated and it has begun to fly, so that's also a reason to grab the risers low down...

Pardon my not so very good english, I was definetly lazy in school Blush


*Edit to add*
Hummm, downwinder... Been there done that to.
The windmarker was actually stuck and I didn't realized thet until I was to low to change landing direction. I got away with just grass stains all over my chest (no I didn't PLF) BlushBlush


(This post was edited by mrwrong on May 15, 2008, 9:58 AM)


phoenixlpr  (D 3049)

May 15, 2008, 10:08 AM
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In reply to:
To be honest, I DO grab my risers now again. But I'm VERY careful of where I put my hands. I tend to grab the risers ver low down now, just a few (4-5) inces above the 3-rings.

On that occasion when the shit almost hit the fan (and then me) I actually grabbed the risers very high up and that's why I managed to release the toggles. It was more or less a 'hands up - grab whatever I found - and THEN look at what I grabbed' (too late).

I do NOT look up at my canopy before it's completely inflated and it has begun to fly, so that's also a reason to grab the risers low down...
Why on Earth do you grab your risers on opening?!?!?Crazy


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May 15, 2008, 10:31 AM
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>Why on Earth do you grab your risers on opening?

I do to allow a rapid turn if a collision is imminent. Such a turn saved Tony Domenico from a head on collision during the 100-ways.


Stuntbabex  (B 31228)

May 15, 2008, 2:32 PM
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In reply to:
>Why on Earth do you grab your risers on opening?

I do to allow a rapid turn if a collision is imminent. Such a turn saved Tony Domenico from a head on collision during the 100-ways.

I also read that people who are planning on getting into BASE are encouraged to practice this.


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

May 15, 2008, 6:10 PM
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Hummm, downwinder... Been there done that to.
The windmarker was actually stuck and I didn't realized thet until I was to low to change landing direction. I got away with just grass stains all over my chest (no I didn't PLF) BlushBlush
Yeah, I didn't PLF either and my ff suit and body paid for it (*OUCH*!!!)!!! Pirate


(This post was edited by flyawaygirl78 on May 15, 2008, 6:13 PM)


mrwrong  (C 19515)

May 15, 2008, 9:38 PM
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In reply to:
Hummm, downwinder... Been there done that to.
The windmarker was actually stuck and I didn't realized thet until I was to low to change landing direction. I got away with just grass stains all over my chest (no I didn't PLF) BlushBlush

Yeah, I didn't PLF either and my ff suit and body paid for it (*OUCH*!!!)!!! Pirate
PLF might save the day!!!

In 2005, first jump of the season. It was during the Easter and I still had my old and totally ‘dead’ 218sqf PD 7-cell. It was dead in the sense that it had NO flare power left in it. It was okay to land in 8 knots winds and above but in zero wind…. Well slammer landings each time…

This occasion we had zero winds and on final I completely over shot my intended landing spot and right before touchdown I realized that I was going to end up on a taxi way. Since I didn’t PLF that landing either I crushed my medial meniscus.

Got the surgery one month later and my knee are still a bit tricky.

Stupid hurts……


flyawaygirl78  (C 36640)

May 15, 2008, 10:29 PM
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Got the surgery one month later and my knee are still a bit tricky.

Stupid hurts……
Ouch, that sucks!! And yes stupid does indeed hurt (alot!!)!!!! Crazy


(This post was edited by flyawaygirl78 on May 15, 2008, 11:14 PM)


coretanima  (C 37990)

May 16, 2008, 12:26 PM
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100% agreement. Last weekend. I set up nicely, right on target. Winds were about 12mph. Did my downwind leg, turned for my short base and then...turned back down wind instead of into the wind and ended up about 40 feet from a fence. my canopy dragged me about 50 yards. CrazyWhy that always happens when there is a crowd of people watching, I don't know. Yeah, stupid hurts.


SPAWNmaster  (C License)

May 16, 2008, 1:16 PM
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hah! i know the feeling. glad you're ok though (i assume you are since you didn't specify any injuries).

I had come in on a crosswind landing (after following traffic rather than using my own brain to set up) and of course the one landing of the day that I botch, end up with mud all over my back-side and dragged to a halt, stand up and wouldn't you know it I'm in front of the next load waiting for their ride.

*embarrassing*. of course I'd rather be embarrassed than injured.


Sletzer  (B 31200)

May 16, 2008, 1:36 PM
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If sliding on your butt through mud is embarassing, I should tell you about the time I slid on my shoulder/rig/side/legs through a cow field. And NO, all the brown stuff on me was not just mud Mad

Nothing like getting into a bus with cow shit all over your jumpsuit Crazy


ceandries  (D License)

May 31, 2008, 5:09 PM
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Is this specifically stipid things I've done while jumping or can it be anything?

One time I called the cops on myself and told them they needed to come and get me because I was too drunk to find my house.


ceandries  (D License)

May 31, 2008, 6:36 PM
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...which might have turned out to be a good thing as i was close to hypothermia and 2 miles from home.


mircan  (D 32291)

Jun 1, 2008, 1:03 PM
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In reply to:
Why that always happens when there is a crowd of people watching, I don't know.

I get off when crowd is watching me.Smile

I loved jumping demos until my friends started to f*ck up... It sucks when you jump "crowdpleaser" with BIG flag and 15secs later your friend (with 5 times more jumps) gets stuck on the electricity wire. After couple of fuckups I quit.