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davelepka  (D 21448)

Aug 10, 2012, 10:14 AM

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Re: [Lindenwood] "Oh, I'll never downsize beyond xxx sqft."

The most common downwind here is toward a row of hangers. We students have to stay a little further back, but many of the staff come back over the top of the hanger during the turn for final

Case in point for 'what you don't know'. You can fly over anything you want, but unless the winds are strong enough that your canopy is coming straight down, you're not going to land on that thing, you're going to land out in front of it due to the forward motion of the canopy.

Beyond that, like I said, take the time to learn how to flat turn, and then you don't have to worry. You would have to be landing within 50 ft of an object to not be able to avoid it. The flat turn is one where your canopy does not pick up speed nor lose altitude in the turn, so you can make such a turn at a very low altitude. You may lose some of your flare power when you get to the ground, but nothing that a good PLF cannot take care of.

The point is that you do have control over your circumstances, and turth be told, if you're going to hit the hanger, any WL is going to hurt and hurt bad. Again, if you really think about the circumstacnes surrounding flying so close to an object at such a low altitude with traffic present, you can see that you would have given up all control of many factors along the way to the point, and if you had retained control of any of those factors, you would not be stuck in the position you think you might end up in.

It's a commonly known concept in skydiving that most incidents are the result of several errors, a 'chain' of mistakes, if you will. Breaking one of those links would make the incident a non-event.

reading about things like 200' swoops under 230+ sqft canopies loaded < 1:1 really helped me appreciate that most canopies are probably a lot more capable of higher-performance lamdings and manuevers than their pilots!

First off, I'm not sure if those numbers are correct. If it's the story I'm thining of, that would have been Scott Miller, one of the pioneers of canopy coaching, high performance canopy flight, and parachute test pilot for PD. As a goof, and to show people that it could be done, he did some swoops on a 200+ sq ft student canopy. I'm not sure he went 200 ft, but he was making the exaggerated point that any canopy can be flown well by a good pilot, in an effort to get people to become good pilots.

Here's the rub, on virtually every other jump he did, he was on a Velo loaded at 2.0 plus and went much further and much faster.

That's the falacy about your example with your 250 Ninja. You claim that you went faster than less skilled riders on faster bikes, which might have been true. The concept of what you're saying came from the track, where just like Scott, fast guys will go out on a slower bike to prove the point to the new guys that it's not all about the equipment. Again, the rub is that after they proved the point, they would get back on their high output liter bikes, and cut even faster laps.

You see, it is important to learn the craft, but to leave yourself behind in terms of the equipment just becasue you think it makes you better is just wrong. Valentino Rossi won the world championship in 125 and 250cc classes multiple times. He proved he could go fast on a little bike, and then you know what he did? He moved up to the 500cc (and then MotoGP) to go really fast on a really fast bike.

I'll suggest again that you're drawing an awful lot of conclusions based on not much expereince. Just like your 250 Ninja sucked on the highway, or long trips, or with a stiff crosswind, so will a canopy at 1 to 1 when you skills have progressed beyond that canopy. Especially when it comes to high performance flight, there are reasons that you don't see guys doing it all the time on a 230 Navigator. I'm not saying that your skills will progress that far, but most people's skills do go beyond 1 to 1, and for you to rule out anything past that is just the wrong approach.

Keep an open mind to all of the possibilites that might come your way in skydiving. Closing yourself off to one idea or the other might slow your progression, or even cause harm or injury. Especially at this early stage, try to avoid coming to conclusions, and maybe try to 'come to questions'. Instead of making up your mind about one thing or another, make it your point to ask questions about those things and see what comes of that.

(This post was edited by davelepka on Aug 10, 2012, 10:15 AM)

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