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Mar 1, 2008, 9:24 AM

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Re: [skyjack71] Take This Plane To Mexico


I don't know what to say. If you want to hold on to 2011 at Merwin Dam, then #8 (as I have re-written it) allows that. It just also mentions that there may have been mistakes made in the reporting.

In reply to:
Do you actually think that the FBI spent all of that money for the tests and the maps and calulating a landing zone based on a 10 minute variance? AS PER the teletype the oscilation occured at 8:12 - The FBI testing showed that the pump and the oscillation concured due to the aft stairs movement from the pressure of Coopers weight being released.

I believe the landing zone map was produced before the test (in 1972 for the January search). I have no idea where you get a 10 minute variance; they said 10 min from 2005. That would allow for 2015 as a viable jump time.

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NO evidence has been presented to suggest that the original landing Zone as calculated by NW and the FBI is anything but accurate....

Consider this:
Page 104 of the TTY report says the plane was at 15,000 feet at 2001. Is that a fact? Do you believe the plane was ever at 15,000 feet? Did the FBI and NW landing zone calculation account for a fall time (drift time) from 15,000 feet? Is the reported altitude accurate?

I'm not being argumentative; I'm trying to bring to the table the skills that I have from years of accident investigation. Those skills tell me that:

  • There was some prejudice in the early investigation (Himmelsbach (sp) was convinced Cooper died and gravitated toward evidence that supported his theory and rejected evidence that was contrary to his beliefs.

  • The FBI used conventional techniques to investigate an unconventional crime.

  • In the 36 years since the crime, the myths have overcome the facts of the case.

  • The kind of thinking (investigation) that hasn’t led to a solution in the last 36.5 years, will not lead to a solution in the next 5 years.

The only way to ferret out the facts is to weigh each against others (ie. “They further stated that when they felt the pressure change they were not yet to Portland but definitely in the suburbs”. against “he jumped from the plane at 2011 at or near Merwin Dam”. By your definition these are both “facts”, but, both of these cannot be true. That’s why I’m trying to build a data base of “facts”, so those who wish to attempt to investigate can know what information has been released to the public.

I would like to hear from others in regard to Fact #8. Do I need to refine it?

Thanks to all,


(This post was edited by Sluggo_Monster on Mar 1, 2008, 9:26 AM)

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