Forums: Skydiving: Skydiving History & Trivia: Re: [airtwardo] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked: Edit Log


SafecrackingPLF

Feb 1, 2008, 12:15 PM

Views: 3287
Re: [airtwardo] Popular Cooper Myths Debunked

airtwardo... Sly

I like that!

Okay, here's something we haven't discussed too much.

We know he has the money bag strapped around his waist. We don't know if he did something to keep it from dragging, but that's not really the focus of my next set of questions...

He obviously gets rid of the dummy reserve. How? We can only speculate. He obviously gets rid of the briefcase.

My question is, what does he do with the dummy? We talked about him trying to guage the winds by throwing it... is it possible he's dumb enough to strap this thing to his chest? He would need to jerry rig it.
Next question: The reason I asked the prior question is, why would he strap the chest chute... it would not be harnessed on and it does not work. Even if he thinks it works, why wear it if it's not harnessed on?
Next question: He pulled apart the reserve that was left behind. Presumably to store the money, and then when he figured this would not work, he used the cords to create a make-shift belt to attach the money.
In other words, his plan was to wear the front pack, but not to use it as a chute.

Next question: what does he do with the contents in the briefcase? The reason I ask is because he may want some of the contents... if he puts them in reserve canister, he would have taken the chute he already pulled apart. We already know that he's willing to jump without a reserve (he was going to wear the other one to put money into)...

Next question: We have heard that the exit winds would create unbelievable force that could rip the money bag... this argument is based upon how people cannot hold hands and jump at this speed without flying apart at exit.

There's a problem with this line of thought... first, a 22 pound bag of money attached with the cords from a chute is not the same as a 160-200 pound person attached by hand grip.

The two are totally different.

I bring this up to ask my final question: Does Cooper attempt to jump with his briefcase?

That's a very big question... and perhaps we want to start somewhere else, such as, would he have done anything to attach it to himself? Even if he didn't attach it, a 3 pound briefcase with a handle on it would allow Cooper to maintain a solid grip... not two hands gripping where there's not enough force or friction to hold two heavy bodies together, but an actual handle.

If any of you go into a gym and grab a dumbell, I'm sure even the weakest 45 year old among us could hold a 100 pound dumbell...
Would a briefcase containing a battery and some dynamite (or roadflares) produce more than 100 pounds of force upon exit?

I'm asking if the winds + the weight of the case are enough to yank the case out of his grip...

Maybe the best way to answer this question would be to determine an approximate weight of the case and it's correspondending force upon exit and then determine if it's humanly feasible for Cooper to keep a grip on it.

I'd love for us to have a discussion on this.

For your efforts, I will leave you with this:
Let's assume for a moment that Cooper's bomb was truly dynamite and that it could ignite by attaching two wires the way that Cooper explained... do you honestly think Cooper would either
A. Throw this off the aft stairs as he makes his way down, or
B. Attempt to hold it as he jumps

In the case of A, sudden motion could bring two wires together or cause some type of destablization... it could explode at the rear of the craft endangering himself and the plane, and the same would go for case B.

Conclusion: The Cooper bomb was not a viable explosive. It likely contained no explosives whatsoever and was likely the way one suspect had mumbled, "road flares".

I'd love to see more of Tina's statement of what she saw to help determine the fate of these objects.


(This post was edited by SafecrackingPLF on Feb 1, 2008, 12:19 PM)


Edit Log:
Post edited by SafecrackingPLF () on Feb 1, 2008, 12:19 PM


Search for (options)